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| 04:14.43 | carmony | sigh |
| 04:22.34 | herlo | carmony: what? |
| 04:22.45 | carmony | just a long weekend |
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| 04:49.22 | herlo | carmony: ahh, indeed |
| 04:49.29 | herlo | carmony: isn't that a good thing? |
| 04:49.41 | herlo | or was it a long *working* weekend? |
| 05:22.30 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
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| 05:38.23 | rapid_dave | Hey guys. I'm running windows 7 with wampserver2. Any ideas how to open up my desktop machine to other devices on my local intranet to access the php files i'm making? |
| 05:39.55 | rapid_dave | Currently getting the 403 Forbidden when I try to direct ip in a web browser. |
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| 15:26.20 | mindjuju | i'm amazed at how many people seem to hate Nutty Nugget (ubuntu 11) |
| 15:27.55 | mindjuju | ur funny |
| 15:28.11 | fungus | I tried both Unity and Gnome3 (including a short flirt w/ kde) before deciding which way to go. |
| 15:28.46 | josephscott | mindjuju: desktop or server? |
| 15:29.08 | mindjuju | i'm hearing comments for desktop, I have installed it, but no real face time on it |
| 15:29.31 | josephscott | ok, haven't used ubuntu desktop in a few year |
| 15:29.33 | josephscott | years |
| 15:30.19 | fungus | I actually like both Unity and Gnome3. Though Unity won out for me, barely. |
| 15:31.41 | fungus | mindjuju, if you really can't stand Unity, it's trivial to switch to Ubuntu Classic. |
| 15:32.52 | fungus | But give it a good honest try. Also, load up a Fedora beta of Gnome3, it's really great too. |
| 15:34.11 | herlo | but then again, I've not tried Unity and can't compare |
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| 15:46.26 | carmony | so is unity separate from gnome3? |
| 15:48.55 | josephscott | $lart crazy UIs |
| 15:49.01 | utahcon | I like the UI |
| 15:49.12 | utahcon | I don't like that I can't get my monitors to not mirror :( |
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| 15:49.40 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 15:49.40 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjolnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
| 15:49.51 | tierra | carmony: yeah, it's a Gnome shell... uses Gnome, but isn't a part of gnome |
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| 16:05.50 | utahcon | $lart monnok |
| 16:05.50 | raifbot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in monnok's direction, hitting monnok and sending monnok flying into the closet. |
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| 16:17.28 | josephscott | efficient or easy - http://samsaffron.com/archive/2011/05/02/A+day+in+the+life+of+a+slow+page+at+Stack+Overflow# - pick one :-) |
| 16:29.46 | utahcon | nice, Banshee is having trouble handling my ginormous music library |
| 16:56.37 | herlo | utahcon: rhythmbox ftw! |
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| 17:56.16 | herlo | hehe |
| 17:57.18 | herlo | utahcon: I do need to come see your Unity setup though, sounds pretty rad! |
| 17:58.38 | TuxToaster | morning all |
| 17:58.51 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 17:58.51 | raifbot | forces raifbot to use Outlook Express. |
| 17:58.56 | herlo | TuxToaster: barely |
| 17:59.03 | TuxToaster | lol true |
| 17:59.37 | herlo | :P |
| 18:00.03 | utahcon | herlo: it's nothing fancy yet |
| 18:00.09 | utahcon | my unity setup taht is |
| 18:02.07 | herlo | I've not even looked at it, though |
| 18:12.32 | utahcon | You can download a LiveCD :D |
| 18:15.47 | herlo | utahcon: I could, but that seems like a waste |
| 18:16.12 | herlo | utahcon: I'm not going to run Ubuntu nor Unity |
| 18:16.21 | utahcon | then why care? |
| 18:16.24 | herlo | I like to see what they look like, though :) |
| 18:16.32 | herlo | it's good for comparison |
| 18:16.52 | herlo | and if Unity is that great, I'd like to see what things are good about it... |
| 18:17.32 | fungus | Unity and Gnome3 are quite similar in lots of ways. But there are features of both that I really like. |
| 18:17.52 | utahcon | fungus: then I expect you to pick one and write the other's features into the one you choose |
| 18:18.04 | fungus | hehe. me? lol |
| 18:18.20 | fungus | I love the Gnome3 use of dynamic workspaces. |
| 18:18.30 | herlo | fungus: me too |
| 18:18.37 | utahcon | dyanmic workspaces? |
| 18:18.51 | herlo | fungus: although, I wish it would only let me switch between ones that actually have apps in them |
| 18:18.54 | fungus | yeah, they create and disappear on the fly as you need them |
| 18:19.11 | utahcon | that is fancyt |
| 18:19.18 | herlo | yeah, very nice and convenient |
| 18:19.19 | utahcon | how does it know when you need them? |
| 18:19.34 | herlo | utahcon: when you create something in the bottom one, it creates another |
| 18:19.36 | fungus | when you move an app to the "empty" workspace |
| 18:19.49 | fungus | there is always an empty one ready for use |
| 18:19.54 | utahcon | oh ok |
| 18:20.10 | fungus | But I really like the Global Menubar of Unity. |
| 18:20.13 | herlo | yeah, which I think is good until I keep switching to it, even though it's empty. I'd like to disable that functionality |
| 18:20.34 | utahcon | fungus: the one of the left? |
| 18:20.40 | utahcon | I wish it were easier to customize |
| 18:20.41 | fungus | the top |
| 18:20.44 | utahcon | it is quite a bit of work |
| 18:20.51 | utahcon | oh that one |
| 18:20.51 | fungus | more Mac like |
| 18:21.01 | utahcon | yeah it is weird to those of us not used to macs |
| 18:21.04 | utahcon | like me!@ |
| 18:21.20 | utahcon | keeping wondering where my menus are |
| 18:21.24 | fungus | Also, unity has really awesome window placement shortcut keys |
| 18:21.47 | fungus | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/become-a-natty-power-user-in-no-time-using-this-unit-keyboard-shortcuts-wallpaper/ |
| 18:22.28 | utahcon | yes |
| 18:22.33 | utahcon | those are freaking awesome |
| 18:22.36 | utahcon | been using them all day :D |
| 18:23.01 | herlo | ~tinyurl fungus |
| 18:23.01 | ibot | ACTION runs '/exec tinyurl.sh http://maps.google.com//maps/ms?ie=UTF8&addr=fungus' and laughs maniacally! |
| 18:23.13 | fungus | Gnome3 has better app launcher panels |
| 18:23.52 | herlo | fungus: app launcher panels? |
| 18:24.09 | fungus | The gui way to launch apps. |
| 18:24.16 | herlo | fungus: you mean logo key, then type? |
| 18:24.21 | fungus | Browsing available apps in Unity is kinda crummy |
| 18:24.31 | herlo | fungus: or the left hand dock? |
| 18:24.33 | fungus | Not the search, the browsing |
| 18:24.38 | jsmith-busy | Browsing available apps is awful in both environments |
| 18:24.47 | herlo | jsmith-busy: really? |
| 18:24.49 | jsmith-busy | herlo: Don't go there :-p |
| 18:24.58 | herlo | jsmith-busy: hit logo, click applications |
| 18:25.01 | fungus | But I use the search most of the time. |
| 18:25.03 | herlo | categories and such on the right |
| 18:25.11 | jsmith-busy | herlo: Yes, really.... It's not that intuitive for people... |
| 18:25.22 | jsmith-busy | herlo: I used Gnome 3 for almost a month before I saw the "applications" link |
| 18:25.24 | herlo | jsmith-busy: didn't say it was intuitive :) |
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| 18:25.39 | herlo | albeit, I did notice it right away |
| 18:25.46 | fungus | But Unity's is really annoying. |
| 18:26.16 | fungus | 3 rows, most used, all apps, and "available" apps. each with More... links. Ick. |
| 18:26.22 | herlo | ugh |
| 18:26.45 | herlo | yeah, i like the dock on the left for my most used apps, even though I just hit logo and type 'ter' and enter |
| 18:26.54 | fungus | and categories are in the dropdown box |
| 18:27.12 | herlo | fungus: one of the things I think is useless in GNOME3 is the wikipedia and google buttons at the bottom |
| 18:27.13 | fungus | Agreed, the search on both gnome3 and unity works fantasticly |
| 18:27.32 | herlo | fungus: good to know, I'm liking what I hear about both desktop directions |
| 18:27.35 | fungus | oh, yeah, forgot about those. |
| 18:27.45 | herlo | fungus: yeah, because you didn't use them |
| 18:27.46 | fungus | They are certainly both interesting |
| 18:27.49 | herlo | such a waste of space |
| 18:28.18 | fungus | They both made my 2-3 hour flirt with KDE really lame and painful. |
| 18:28.28 | herlo | hehe |
| 18:28.56 | herlo | fungus: a lot of people tell me that KDE is *way* better, but I don't feel that way. With KDE4, there wasn't even this much functionality in its initial release |
| 18:29.05 | herlo | 4.2 didn't improve it that much... |
| 18:30.29 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: KDE is way better ;) |
| 18:30.53 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: I don't feel that way |
| 18:31.19 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: however, I'm glad you and a few of my other friends enjoy it. Choice is awesome! |
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| 18:43.07 | josephscott | haha - http://news.consumerreports.org/electronics/2011/05/apples-white-iphone-is-not-thicker-than-black-version.html |
| 18:43.21 | josephscott | ever wonder about the size of something? you could, you know, measure it :-) |
| 18:44.38 | herlo | lol |
| 18:45.07 | mindjuju | @josephscott, i don't believe it, there is no certificate of callibration from the US Dept of Weights and Measures; also, it's not the same tool used by NASA high energy physicists |
| 18:46.08 | josephscott | mindjuju: sorry, they've only released the short form of their certificate of calibration |
| 18:46.17 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:46.29 | mindjuju | i guess there are no My Cousin Vinny fans in the audience |
| 18:46.47 | herlo | mindjuju: that, or it's a very uncommon line from the movie |
| 18:46.57 | mindjuju | what? |
| 18:47.12 | jsmith-busy | mindjuju: You crazy yooots! |
| 18:47.19 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:47.52 | josephscott | youthssssssssssss |
| 18:48.38 | mindjuju | it does sound that way when he says it |
| 18:48.45 | herlo | lol |
| 18:48.52 | herlo | I recall *that* line! |
| 18:52.50 | mindjuju | oh wow, i saturday night live did my cousin vinny meets oj simpson - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0vnXxMcrEA |
| 18:55.21 | jsmith-busy | "How do you cook your grits? Do you like them regular, creamy or al dente? " |
| 18:56.36 | herlo | with extra butter |
| 19:00.58 | jsmith-busy | "Sure I've heard of grits. I just never actually *seen* a grit before." |
| 19:02.10 | herlo | lol |
| 19:02.12 | herlo | yep |
| 19:09.15 | josephscott | $mindtrick mindjuju |
| 19:09.16 | raifbot | mindjuju these are not the droids you're looking for. |
| 19:13.01 | josephscott | $rmindtrick |
| 19:13.01 | raifbot | eggyknap these are not the droids you're looking for. |
| 19:26.40 | josephscott | $rmindtrick |
| 19:26.41 | raifbot | ags you don't need to see his identification. |
| 19:27.36 | herlo | haha |
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| 19:50.46 | josephscott | $rmindtrick |
| 19:50.46 | raifbot | Monnok you don't need to see his identification. |
| 19:51.03 | josephscott | I need more mind trick lines from the movies :-) |
| 19:51.15 | josephscott | only have 4 so far :-( |
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| 20:05.47 | skinner | awesome use of html5 and jquery: |
| 20:05.51 | skinner | http://hobolobo.net |
| 20:06.03 | skinner | (Scroll the window horizontally) |
| 20:12.19 | beandog | Okay I got a firewall question. I got routing all setup, but any requests to a domain name which resolves to the public ip address get dropped somehow |
| 20:12.30 | beandog | How do I get those working, and how do I find out where it's even getting dropped? |
| 20:13.58 | herlo | beandog: what does your /etc/resolv.conf say? |
| 20:14.13 | beandog | herlo: I'm running dnsmasq on the box |
| 20:14.15 | beandog | so its blank |
| 20:14.27 | beandog | but I have upstream name servers it's using in return, comcast |
| 20:14.29 | beandog | so dns hasn't changed. |
| 20:14.29 | herlo | beandog: so it's forwarding somewhere, where is that?? |
| 20:14.44 | herlo | ahh, maybe try changing them? I love using the google ones |
| 20:14.49 | herlo | 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 20:14.53 | beandog | dns resolution is working fine |
| 20:14.56 | beandog | Its a firewall issue |
| 20:15.00 | herlo | beandog: oh |
| 20:15.07 | beandog | its trying to go out, and come back in, and getting dropped |
| 20:15.16 | herlo | beandog: setup iptables did you? |
| 20:15.21 | beandog | herlo: yah |
| 20:15.23 | herlo | k |
| 20:15.27 | herlo | just add this at the top |
| 20:15.41 | herlo | iptables -I INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 20:15.45 | herlo | and you should be golden |
| 20:15.53 | beandog | whats that do |
| 20:16.04 | herlo | it allows ESTABLISHED and RELATED connections |
| 20:17.55 | beandog | it already has that |
| 20:18.18 | herlo | hrm |
| 20:18.22 | herlo | use this then |
| 20:18.29 | herlo | watch iptables -vNL |
| 20:18.39 | herlo | and then run through the process you are trying to get to respond |
| 20:18.45 | herlo | you should see packets come in |
| 20:18.57 | herlo | and you'll see where the packets match |
| 20:19.12 | herlo | if you want, you could also add a LOG iptables rule |
| 20:19.19 | herlo | iptables -I INPUT -j LOG |
| 20:19.24 | herlo | but that gets messy really fast |
| 20:19.41 | herlo | unless you have setup your logs previously |
| 20:19.49 | beandog | okay |
| 20:19.56 | herlo | to handle the massive amounts of log messages that will create |
| 20:20.17 | beandog | http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-10.html |
| 20:20.30 | beandog | I *think* thats what Im trying to do, except I dont understand all the network lingo |
| 20:22.18 | herlo | beandog: oh |
| 20:22.30 | herlo | are you trying to forward packets *through* this machine? |
| 20:22.37 | beandog | herlo: uh |
| 20:22.39 | beandog | I guess? |
| 20:22.50 | herlo | beandog: is this machine supposed to do routing? |
| 20:22.54 | beandog | herlo: yah |
| 20:22.56 | herlo | kk |
| 20:23.00 | beandog | firewall + routing |
| 20:23.05 | herlo | beandog: first, what is the output of |
| 20:23.16 | herlo | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 20:23.31 | beandog | herlo: oh, thats working ... everything is routed and nat'd fine (I'm behind it right now) |
| 20:23.38 | beandog | that's never been the problem |
| 20:23.56 | herlo | beandog: it *is* the problem if you aren't getting things passed back |
| 20:23.59 | beandog | The problem is, foo.domain.com dns resolves to our static ip address, which gets forwarded to a box on the subnet |
| 20:24.02 | herlo | beandog: I'm asking to make sure everything is working |
| 20:24.04 | beandog | it's 1 |
| 20:24.07 | herlo | kk |
| 20:24.17 | herlo | beandog: do you have any nat rules? |
| 20:24.21 | herlo | iptables -t nat -L |
| 20:24.39 | beandog | herlo: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381751/ |
| 20:24.59 | herlo | beandog: that's not nat |
| 20:25.07 | herlo | please re-read my command |
| 20:25.09 | beandog | meh |
| 20:25.11 | beandog | okay |
| 20:25.15 | beandog | yes I have nat |
| 20:25.31 | herlo | do you have one that might say MASQUERADE at the end? |
| 20:25.43 | herlo | as the target, rather |
| 20:25.47 | beandog | no |
| 20:25.53 | herlo | kk, that's what you probably need |
| 20:26.02 | herlo | one of the networks you are on is a private network, no? |
| 20:26.37 | beandog | there's only one subnet right now |
| 20:26.48 | herlo | is one private? |
| 20:26.56 | beandog | one what? |
| 20:27.00 | beandog | :T |
| 20:27.01 | herlo | you have two nics in thie box, no? |
| 20:27.08 | beandog | yah |
| 20:27.14 | beandog | one is getting static ip, the other is attached to subnet |
| 20:27.25 | herlo | is one to be connected to a private and the other to a public (or gateway to the internet) ?? |
| 20:27.48 | herlo | beandog: I don't care how you get the IPs |
| 20:27.59 | beandog | herlo: right, its acting as the gateway |
| 20:28.01 | herlo | you want to route, thus one routes internal, the other external |
| 20:28.05 | herlo | okay |
| 20:28.12 | herlo | then you need something like this iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:28.40 | herlo | where ppp0 is the nic for your gateway |
| 20:29.05 | herlo | beandog: I got this info from this post: http://www.billauer.co.il/ipmasq-html.html |
| 20:29.10 | herlo | though I teach this a lot |
| 20:30.21 | beandog | I dont see how that's gonna do anything, tbh |
| 20:30.30 | beandog | all I need is, all outgoing requests to $public_ip to be routed to $private_ip |
| 20:30.31 | beandog | that's it. |
| 20:30.41 | beandog | one, specific $public_ip I should say |
| 20:31.42 | herlo | beandog: MASQUERADE makes it so that when you go out the packet is marked. On return, it's properly routed to the internal host |
| 20:31.56 | herlo | beandog: but you can figure it out with DNAT and SNAT rules separately if you want to do that work |
| 20:33.06 | beandog | okay |
| 20:33.19 | beandog | would ppp0 be the nic for the subnet or the public ip |
| 20:33.25 | beandog | er, lan or wan |
| 20:35.24 | beandog | gah. Nothing I'm doing is working. |
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| 20:35.46 | herlo | beandog: it would be the internal nic |
| 20:35.54 | herlo | usually what I do is something like this |
| 20:36.05 | herlo | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING ! -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:36.10 | herlo | where eth1 is the external nic |
| 20:37.45 | beandog | yah |
| 20:37.49 | beandog | alright, none of that is working. -_- |
| 20:37.52 | beandog | I'll keep doing some research |
| 20:37.53 | beandog | thx herlo |
| 20:38.57 | herlo | beandog: sorry, I may have lead you on a wild goose chase. I think it's right, though. |
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| 20:53.34 | herlo | :) |
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| 21:25.41 | josephscott | I love data! :-) |
| 21:25.56 | josephscott | with April done I finally get to plat with more stats |
| 21:32.33 | josephscott | s/plat/play/ |
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| 22:04.50 | macnewbold | $chuck-fact |
| 22:04.50 | raifbot | Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs. |
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| 22:05.57 | josephscott | $mindtrick macnewbold |
| 22:05.57 | raifbot | macnewbold move along. |
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| 22:52.30 | ninnypants1 | anyone know of a good electronics parts store in utah county? |
| 22:54.01 | josephscott | ninnypants: first you drive out of the state of Utah, then go to the state with the nearest Fry's |
| 22:54.53 | ninnypants1 | josephscott: that's kinda what I was thinking |
| 22:58.27 | DexterTheDragon | do they have newegg.com in utah county? :D |
| 22:58.36 | ninnypants1 | not sure I can justify an out of state trips |
| 22:58.40 | herlo | ninnypants1: what are you looking for? |
| 22:58.50 | ninnypants1 | DexterTheDragon: I want to walk in and browse |
| 22:59.03 | herlo | ninnypants1: generally |
| 22:59.05 | ninnypants1 | I'm going to try building and rfid reader |
| 22:59.25 | ninnypants1 | so I'm going to need cables antenas and the like |
| 22:59.29 | herlo | ninnypants1: I might suggest computer recyclers, they renamed themselves though, hang on |
| 23:00.28 | herlo | and... |
| 23:00.33 | herlo | they renamed themselves *again* |
| 23:01.49 | ninnypants1 | herlo: is it the one you can see right off the freeway between American Fork and Orem? |
| 23:02.25 | herlo | no |
| 23:02.40 | herlo | last I knew, it was next to the Macey's off 8th North |
| 23:02.54 | ninnypants1 | oh ok I know the place |
| 23:03.00 | herlo | http://ur1.ca/42hkc |
| 23:03.03 | herlo | ninnypants1: ^^ |
| 23:03.11 | ninnypants1 | I think it's still there can't remember the name though |
| 23:03.24 | herlo | ninnypants1: jpl, formerly mas |
| 23:04.20 | herlo | this is an appropriate review |
| 23:04.22 | herlo | "JPL (formerly MAS) is fine -- if you do NOT have a problem! I've bought memory and items from JPL. And they're fine. They're okay. BUT, if you have any problems, they do NOT excel at customer service, customer convenience, etc. The customer does NOT come first. ..." |
| 23:04.23 | ninnypants1 | I'll have to check them out I was thinking they only sold parts for desktops |
| 23:04.38 | herlo | but they might have your part :) |
| 23:05.33 | ninnypants1 | hmm maybe so I can get the reading chip online I think so that shouldn't be an issue just gonna need connecters so hopefully it wont be too bad |
| 23:05.45 | ninnypants1 | http://www.thingmagic.com/embedded-rfid-readers/m5e-compact/1-embedded-rfid-readers/1-m5e-compact |
| 23:12.45 | mindjuju | anybody know of anything that can be used to search uploaded .doc files? |
| 23:12.52 | mindjuju | oh and pdf |
| 23:12.58 | mindjuju | preferably that can be searched using PHP |
| 23:15.28 | skinner1 | one place I like is PC Discounters |
| 23:17.52 | herlo | mindjuju: there's a pdf lib for php |
| 23:18.11 | herlo | mindjuju: but I'd probably just use google docs and convert them and search with that |
| 23:18.20 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:18.24 | mindjuju | yeah, that won't work |
| 23:18.30 | mindjuju | but nice idea though |
| 23:18.34 | herlo | y not? |
| 23:18.46 | mindjuju | because it is a library of docs on a paid website |
| 23:18.50 | herlo | oh |
| 23:18.58 | mindjuju | but good thought though, as i say |
| 23:19.08 | herlo | yeah |
| 23:19.08 | mindjuju | brb |
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