| 00:36.03 | beandog | everyone left the office |
| 00:36.06 | beandog | this is my chance! |
| 00:36.09 | beandog | who wants some hardware, real cheap |
| 00:43.19 | beandog | you want a printers, I got a printers |
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| 01:07.08 | jnbek | $chuck-fact |
| 01:07.08 | raifbot | Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding. |
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| 01:53.16 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 01:53.16 | raifbot | In fine print on the last page of the Guinness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Chuck Norris, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone else has ever gotten. |
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| 02:48.16 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 02:48.16 | raifbot | Chuck Norris played who will blink first, with a mirror. And he won |
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| 05:11.35 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 05:11.36 | raifbot | The best part of waking up is not Folgers in your cup, but knowing that Chuck Norris didn't kill you in your sleep. |
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| 15:19.36 | mindjuju | @herlo, let me know when you have about 10 minutes |
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| 15:26.03 | mindjuju | darn, i missed the wedding ceremony |
| 15:27.04 | mgeary | wait, that was TODAY??! awww nooooo |
| 15:27.18 | mindjuju | yup, it has come and gone |
| 15:27.21 | mgeary | ;) |
| 15:27.28 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:27.46 | mgeary | given that /me has an outstanding warrant in the UK, i abstained from watching the wedding on principle |
| 15:28.00 | mindjuju | do you really? |
| 15:28.09 | mgeary | possibly |
| 15:28.49 | mgeary | they sent me one letter saying they weren't going to bring charges, but then, later, i got another letter asking me to appear in court |
| 15:29.00 | jsmith | mgeary: So, how exactly does one become persona non grata? |
| 15:29.18 | mgeary | well, now there's a story |
| 15:29.20 | mindjuju | i wonder if i could get my reward in malt vinegar if i haul you across the pond and get my reward |
| 15:30.05 | mgeary | but it'd destroy my mysterious reputation if i just told all |
| 15:30.48 | mgeary | suffice it to say, it has to do with large bladed objects |
| 15:31.03 | mindjuju | here i thought mgeary was a proper gentlemen with the tut tut and all of that, but to find out now he's the proper rogue |
| 15:31.16 | mgeary | behind every gentleman is a shadow |
| 15:31.23 | mindjuju | rofl |
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| 15:52.07 | romanovic | not by choice. just turned the tv on after work, and that was the only thing on news for hours |
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| 15:55.02 | herlo | mindjuju: pong |
| 15:56.04 | wps | http://www.techbrarian.com/images/pong.jpg |
| 15:56.23 | romanovic | mgeary: you spend time in the UK for business? Or just for fun? |
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| 15:56.58 | mgeary | romanovic: i spent 6 months in London in 1991 |
| 15:57.12 | mgeary | i absolutely love London, though i haven't been back since then |
| 15:57.19 | romanovic | wow |
| 15:57.34 | mindjuju | i hear that in London, vinegar is treated like a condiment |
| 15:57.55 | mgeary | mindjuju: yes, that is an unfortunate truth |
| 15:58.03 | beandog | mo'nin |
| 15:58.27 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: mgeary's warrant probably involves vinegar |
| 15:58.39 | mindjuju | so besides pickling, does vinegar have a place in the kitchen, in the mgeary household, that is |
| 15:58.45 | mindjuju | @DtD, awesome |
| 15:59.26 | mgeary | mindjuju: not a big one. You'd have to ask mrs. mgeary, but it certainly isn't used on anything after it's been prepared (i.e. as a CONDIMENT)! |
| 16:00.37 | mgeary | i knew a lady in Germany who would drink vinegar at the dinner table. Said it aided her digestion |
| 16:00.38 | mgeary | ick |
| 16:00.58 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: all mgeary uses vinegar for is baking soda volcanos |
| 16:01.00 | mindjuju | that is gross |
| 16:02.25 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: psh. i prefer to use concentrated H2O2 and KI for much more impressive volcanoes |
| 16:03.29 | cro | Malt vinegar is different, in England they eat it on chips |
| 16:03.37 | mindjuju | oh that reminds me mgeary, how did that chemiluminescence experiment kit go that you got from amazon? |
| 16:04.03 | mgeary | mindjuju: great. we still pull it out occasionally and wow the kids' friends with it |
| 16:04.44 | cro | I did that from scratch in high school. We used "bovine hemoglobin" as one of the ingredients |
| 16:05.04 | redroy | $chuck-fact |
| 16:05.04 | raifbot | If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris you may be only seconds away from death. |
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| 16:07.20 | herlo | malt vinegar is yummy on fish and chips |
| 16:08.15 | jsmith | herlo: Amen, brother! |
| 16:09.03 | herlo | :) |
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| 16:16.55 | beandog | what vpn software would you guys recommend |
| 16:19.35 | mindjuju | like for a VPN server? |
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| 16:21.11 | herlo | openvpn |
| 16:21.20 | beandog | yah, server |
| 16:22.07 | beandog | for mac clients to connect to |
| 16:22.37 | herlo | beandog: they can totally connect to openvpn |
| 16:22.42 | herlo | look at tunnelblick |
| 16:22.55 | herlo | we used it at skullcandy for their openvpn setup |
| 16:23.42 | mindjuju | i second PFsense |
| 16:23.48 | mindjuju | i use it at home |
| 16:24.19 | mindjuju | vpn from UVU |
| 16:24.19 | mindjuju | oh yeah! |
| 16:24.19 | mindjuju | what wrong with ipad? |
| 16:24.19 | mindjuju | did the battery explode? |
| 16:24.20 | mindjuju | is she a fanboi? |
| 16:24.25 | mgeary | mindjuju: over-the-phone tech support |
| 16:24.32 | mindjuju | oh |
| 16:24.51 | DexterTheDragon | but the ipad is so intuitive it doesn't need tech support |
| 16:24.54 | herlo | mindjuju: do you use v 2.0? |
| 16:25.29 | mindjuju | @herlo, nope, i'm on pfsense 1.2.2 |
| 16:25.32 | mindjuju | there's a 2.0? |
| 16:25.40 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: "now, what's my Apple ID password?" |
| 16:26.40 | fungus | beandog, how much money you got for the VPN server? a lot = Cisco ASA 5500, a little to nothing = pfSense |
| 16:27.45 | fungus | drawback for openvpn, no way to connect a smartphone to it. |
| 16:28.16 | herlo | mindjuju: it's at RC1, but yes |
| 16:28.35 | herlo | so far, I like it. I'm struggling with the openvpn setup atm, but I think it's me, not the program... |
| 16:28.39 | beandog | fungus: no $$$ |
| 16:28.56 | herlo | fungus: um, I think you can with android now |
| 16:29.08 | herlo | just has to be rooted |
| 16:29.13 | fungus | oh really, neat. Well you can't VPN w/ an iPhone then. |
| 16:29.21 | herlo | that's fair :) |
| 16:29.32 | herlo | they need tunnelblick for the iphone :) |
| 16:29.47 | fungus | lol, Apple would never allow it |
| 16:29.58 | beandog | no? why not |
| 16:30.41 | herlo | haha http://sorrybut.co.uk/gallery |
| 16:31.10 | beandog | herlo: thanks, Im gonna check out both tunnelblick and pfsense |
| 16:31.21 | herlo | beandog: cool, lemme know if you have questions |
| 16:32.40 | beandog | herlo: not yet. I dont really care what we go with, I just wanna make this seamless for the users. I probably won't need it, I just use ssh. |
| 16:33.29 | herlo | beandog: I meant the questions for setting up openvpn server side |
| 16:34.48 | beandog | herlo: oh okay. I got it running just fine on CentOS. But that's it so far. |
| 16:35.07 | beandog | I can connect and everything. Just need to figure out how to tweak it so I can see the other boxes on the subnet. |
| 16:36.08 | herlo | beandog: oh, well then that's the way to go. pfsense makes it easier is all, server side |
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| 16:38.59 | beandog | ok |
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| 17:06.32 | beandog | herlo: whats the difference between routed and bridged? I'm not getting that part. |
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| 17:23.10 | SunSparc | ~friday |
| 17:23.10 | ibot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 17:23.11 | herlo | routed is like nat, bridged is like a help address |
| 17:23.35 | herlo | beandog: bridges connect two networks together so they don't look like they are routed |
| 17:24.26 | mindjuju | @beandog - your mom uses bridges |
| 17:24.31 | skinner | ~weather |
| 17:24.47 | skinner | $weather 84058 |
| 17:24.49 | raifbot | 3skinner - 0,2current weather for 84058 - Mostly Cloudy 41f / 5c Humidity: 49% Wind: NW at 22 mph |
| 17:25.17 | beandog | whut |
| 17:27.37 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 17:27.37 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Cloudy 40f / 4c Humidity: 56% Wind: NW at 17 mph |
| 17:28.30 | skinner | $chuck-fact |
| 17:28.32 | raifbot | Someone once tried to tell Chuck Norris that roundhouse kicks aren't the best way to kick someone. This has been recorded by historians as the worst mistake anyone has ever made. |
| 17:28.44 | skinner | ~lart Chuck Norris |
| 17:28.44 | ibot | declares Chuck Norris a moron |
| 17:28.56 | mindjuju | nice |
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| 17:33.56 | redroy | oh man, jbot is in trouble now |
| 17:42.36 | josephscott | $lart ibot |
| 17:42.37 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjolnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
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| 17:47.33 | mgeary | raifbot: good luck with that. Everyone knows that no one but Thor can wield Mjöllnir |
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| 18:39.46 | beandog | herlo: so it doesnt look like they are routed? |
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| 18:42.28 | beandog | I think it's time for a Costco hot dog run |
| 18:42.48 | jsmith | beandog: Oooh, eat a beefy miracle for me while you're there! |
| 18:42.54 | jsmith | beandog: With lots of relish and kraut... |
| 18:43.00 | beandog | gross |
| 18:43.26 | jsmith | and mustard -- the mustard indicates progress |
| 18:43.44 | PoeticIntensity | deli-style mustard |
| 18:44.27 | jsmith | PoeticIntensity: deli-style, german-style, regular old plain yellow -- I like them all. |
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| 18:52.48 | mindjuju | brown mustard = best; |
| 18:54.20 | jsmith | mindjuju: On Popeye's chicken, of course... |
| 18:54.43 | mindjuju | so rude |
| 18:55.09 | mindjuju | while your being rude out in VA, go to ccr.az and tell me what happens |
| 18:56.08 | jsmith | Long DNS lookup |
| 18:56.12 | jsmith | Stall... |
| 18:56.20 | jsmith | HTTP redirect |
| 18:56.39 | jsmith | Goes to http://www.costumecraze.com/ |
| 18:57.16 | jsmith | DNS lookups are ridiculously slow |
| 18:57.30 | jsmith | and fail ~50% of the time |
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| 19:02.02 | fungus | Poll: Who watched the royal wedding: live, recorded, don't care? |
| 19:02.23 | PoeticIntensity | heh. |
| 19:02.31 | jsmith | fungus: My wife did, while I pretended to be asleep |
| 19:02.35 | mindjuju | didn't really care, took 2 minutes to look at the dress |
| 19:02.35 | jsmith | fungus: Does that count? |
| 19:02.47 | PoeticIntensity | why in the world would anyone really care about that? |
| 19:02.50 | jsmith | mindjuju: Too simple? "Classic styling?" |
| 19:02.51 | fungus | yes it counts |
| 19:02.56 | jsmith | darn :-( |
| 19:02.57 | mindjuju | it was nice |
| 19:02.58 | mindjuju | modest |
| 19:05.21 | fungus | PI, many reasons, different for each person. |
| 19:06.03 | mindjuju | so did you watch it fungus |
| 19:06.12 | fungus | 1. Celeb fans, 2. fairy tale fans, 3. British people, etc |
| 19:06.25 | fungus | recorded for me. skipping through big sections. |
| 19:06.50 | mindjuju | is Lady Gaga royalty? did she go? |
| 19:07.10 | fungus | yes she is, I don't think so |
| 19:07.21 | mindjuju | i heard blair, brown and obama didn't get invites |
| 19:08.44 | fungus | hehe. Obama makes sense, but the others. that's a major snub |
| 19:08.49 | josephscott | was the doctor there? |
| 19:09.13 | fungus | Becks and Posh were. I know that |
| 19:09.34 | mindjuju | i wonder if Beck-lings call their mom Posh |
| 19:10.02 | fungus | lol, i doubt it. |
| 19:10.03 | PoeticIntensity | fungus, cool. I'm usually living in a very different world than the rest of humanity. |
| 19:10.16 | fungus | I don't even think she uses the term Posh, but I do. :) |
| 19:10.33 | mindjuju | so fungus, when I dig ccr.az on the localhost, it doesn't resolve, but when i query the dns servers individually, it works |
| 19:10.40 | mindjuju | what is this conundrum ? |
| 19:10.46 | mindjuju | http://www.kloth.net/services/dig.php |
| 19:11.02 | fungus | mindjuju, those dns servers are really crappy like jsmith said. |
| 19:11.21 | fungus | you'll get intermittent results from anywhere |
| 19:11.42 | mindjuju | but how does one go about observing the crap? |
| 19:11.54 | jsmith | mindjuju: Wireshark, dig, etc. |
| 19:11.57 | fungus | ns{1,2}.static-pages.com |
| 19:12.23 | fungus | dig ccr.az @ns1.static-pages.com |
| 19:13.28 | fungus | ns1 and ns2 are not responding. but ns3 and ns4 are. |
| 19:13.44 | josephscott | haha http://devour.com/video/great-high-school-athletes/ |
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| 19:20.05 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 19:20.06 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Cloudy 41f / 5c Humidity: 52% Wind: N at 13 mph |
| 19:20.12 | josephscott | starting to snow again :-( |
| 19:21.18 | mindjuju | shush you |
| 19:21.26 | mindjuju | i have a bbq tomorrow |
| 19:22.53 | josephscott | well, that will be one way to stay warm outside while it is snowing |
| 19:23.00 | mindjuju | so mean |
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| 19:38.22 | beandog | wait who got married? |
| 19:38.29 | skinner | Obama |
| 19:38.32 | skinner | er.... |
| 19:38.48 | skinner | Someone....Elvis? |
| 19:39.04 | jsmith | beandog: Right.... |
| 19:41.13 | mindjuju | ~jsmith++ |
| 19:41.20 | beandog | whut |
| 19:44.00 | mindjuju | i think if beandog was in super mario bros, he'd be luigi |
| 19:44.44 | mindjuju | @beandog - http://www.costumecraze.com/NTND06.html |
| 19:45.08 | beandog | my eyes! |
| 19:46.04 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:46.34 | beandog | You're out of the loop, George |
| 19:46.41 | influx | heh |
| 19:47.08 | beandog | Okay |
| 19:47.19 | beandog | I need a spreadsheet of major linux distros and which services they ship with by default |
| 19:47.38 | fungus | distrowatch? |
| 19:50.02 | beandog | yah |
| 19:50.04 | beandog | I wonder. |
| 19:51.24 | beandog | nope |
| 19:51.54 | influx | noooooo |
| 19:52.32 | influx | MySQL 4.1.22 |
| 19:52.41 | fungus | doh |
| 19:52.46 | influx | I was hoping to see 5.0.2+ |
| 19:53.00 | beandog | huh? |
| 19:53.24 | influx | beandog: I was hoping to write a trigger that would update one table when a separate one had a new row inserted/created. |
| 19:53.46 | beandog | oh gotcha. |
| 19:55.09 | beandog | ah they do have packages it ships with |
| 19:55.10 | beandog | that'll work |
| 19:55.22 | beandog | well some of em |
| 19:56.24 | beandog | hmm |
| 19:56.30 | beandog | ubuntu isnt shipping with openssl-1 |
| 19:56.38 | beandog | I wonder if anyone is. |
| 19:56.58 | beandog | fedora is |
| 19:57.22 | fungus | openssl-1 ? what is that? |
| 19:57.43 | beandog | fungus: v1.0 |
| 19:57.55 | beandog | as opposed to the long stable 0.9.8 branch |
| 19:58.03 | fungus | really? they finally moved to v1? shocker |
| 19:58.15 | beandog | suse is doing it too |
| 19:58.33 | beandog | and debian. huh. |
| 19:58.41 | beandog | thats surprising. |
| 19:58.51 | beandog | fungus: what sucks is it's an abi break |
| 19:58.56 | beandog | not backwards compat |
| 19:58.57 | beandog | :C |
| 19:59.17 | fungus | ahh, that can be annoying. |
| 19:59.32 | beandog | yah. I ran into issues with stunnel |
| 20:00.47 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: http://sorrybut.co.uk/gallery |
| 20:16.23 | mindjuju | influx, got a moment |
| 20:22.05 | skinner | Hey all, I'm moving soon.....I have Fiber internet now, but my new home....well.....Comcast or Qwest.....which is the lesser of the two evils? |
| 20:22.41 | herlo | comcast |
| 20:22.44 | mindjuju | that's like asking, what's better a poke in the eye or a kick in the groin |
| 20:22.44 | herlo | but only by a hair |
| 20:22.54 | herlo | mindjuju: poke in the eye |
| 20:22.58 | herlo | that's easy |
| 20:22.59 | skinner | @mindjuju: lol awesome |
| 20:23.22 | skinner | Those two seemed like the only options |
| 20:23.32 | herlo | clear |
| 20:23.33 | skinner | ( In Pleasant Grove) |
| 20:23.45 | fungus | Qwest w/ alternate ISP is the lesser of evils, but the speed makes Comcast best choice. |
| 20:23.48 | herlo | skinner: http://www.clear.com/ |
| 20:23.53 | mindjuju | i'm settling right now with comcrap, but as soon as, the VERY moment a utopia truck comes down my road, we're on that |
| 20:24.11 | skinner | Ya, I've had Utopia in the past and loved it. |
| 20:24.22 | skinner | herlo: A friend of mine uses Clear and seems to like it |
| 20:24.23 | herlo | ~kick skinner |
| 20:24.24 | ibot | ACTION kicks skinner |
| 20:24.24 | mindjuju | @fungus, actually i heard that qwest was giving xmission a hard time |
| 20:24.42 | fungus | They do. Their FTTN product doesn't allow alternate ISPs |
| 20:24.43 | mindjuju | and he even said that qwest was blaming xmission on bad dsl |
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| 20:25.13 | herlo | mindjuju: that's an age-old argument |
| 20:25.18 | herlo | no less true, however |
| 20:26.34 | skinner | well Wife is hoping for some basic TV channels (ESPN for BYU sports.....) but I'm good with a decent internet speed + Netflicks and/or Hulu |
| 20:27.11 | mindjuju | skinner, i recommend high speed cable + Roku + roksbox |
| 20:27.24 | mindjuju | Roku does amazon vid and netflix stream and pandora, blah blah blah |
| 20:27.37 | mindjuju | roksbox does file stream via apache from file share |
| 20:27.41 | skinner | oh yeah! I forgot about Roku |
| 20:28.07 | mindjuju | rip dvd -> file server - > apache -> roksbox - > very happy and much cheap than cable tv |
| 20:28.14 | mindjuju | but no local chans |
| 20:28.19 | mindjuju | we don't miss htem |
| 20:28.50 | mindjuju | most the shows people watch on ABC are available on web any way |
| 20:28.51 | skinner | I understand comcast internet comes with basic ESPN....so that could satisfy my sports fan wife |
| 20:28.53 | mindjuju | or nbc, etc |
| 20:29.23 | herlo | skinner: not comcast internet |
| 20:29.38 | herlo | comcast cable tv, maybe |
| 20:29.44 | influx | mindjuju: yo |
| 20:30.25 | mindjuju | zoinks! http://www.playon.tv/devices/roku |
| 20:31.01 | skinner | Oh snap! |
| 20:32.00 | herlo | mindjuju: that's nice |
| 20:32.01 | skinner | Ok so as far as speed/connection uptime goes, whose best? Our traffic would probably peak at the occasional video stream / rare online game connection.... |
| 20:32.14 | herlo | skinner: comcast |
| 20:32.36 | herlo | for the price and reliability |
| 20:32.37 | skinner | kk |
| 20:32.54 | fungus | Speed=Comcast, uptime=qwest+alt ISP |
| 20:33.00 | herlo | I don't have to call comcast ever, and calling qworst was worse than dental surgery |
| 20:33.08 | skinner | ya |
| 20:33.21 | herlo | fungus: I've never had any real downtime with my comcast |
| 20:33.29 | herlo | probably a few hours over 10 years |
| 20:33.46 | skinner | I used to have to call Qwest every few days for the job, wasn't fun.... |
| 20:33.48 | herlo | most were announced outages too |
| 20:33.49 | fungus | I've had two cable modems die in 1 year |
| 20:34.04 | herlo | fungus: ugh, I had two cisco 678's die in a month |
| 20:34.05 | fungus | that's not counting the major routing issues in comcast over the past 4 months |
| 20:34.21 | herlo | it's all about your experience |
| 20:34.22 | beandog | do byu sports air over byutv? |
| 20:34.26 | beandog | because I pick that up OTA |
| 20:34.29 | herlo | fungus: what major routing issues? |
| 20:34.36 | fungus | But... Calling comcast is much less painful than calling Qwest. |
| 20:34.43 | herlo | agreed |
| 20:34.51 | skinner | beandog: Not sure, they may this next school year |
| 20:35.10 | herlo | fungus: oh, and you shouldn't call them comcast anymore, they are xfinity (wtf is that all about?) |
| 20:35.13 | fungus | Comcast lost a route to some major peer that blocked Netflix, WoW and other stuff |
| 20:35.18 | beandog | mindjuju: holy crack |
| 20:35.22 | beandog | oh wait, playon costs $$$$ |
| 20:35.26 | herlo | fungus: oh, wow. |
| 20:35.27 | fungus | lasted a few hours |
| 20:35.27 | mindjuju | i thought xfinity was the name of their service |
| 20:35.32 | herlo | beandog: yeah $3.50/month or something |
| 20:35.35 | mindjuju | at beandog, yeah, but it's like $5 |
| 20:35.37 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 20:35.39 | beandog | herlo: oh yah? |
| 20:35.40 | beandog | pfft |
| 20:35.41 | beandog | thats peanuts |
| 20:35.57 | herlo | mindjuju: it seems like xfinity is becoming the name of the company |
| 20:36.04 | herlo | they don't call things comcast anymore |
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| 20:36.09 | beandog | oh and I need a pc running it |
| 20:36.09 | beandog | meh |
| 20:36.20 | herlo | all of their advertisements are 'xfinity' this or 'xfinity' that |
| 20:36.22 | beandog | herlo: talk about poor marketing execution |
| 20:36.44 | mindjuju | you don't need a pc to run, there are 2 options, 1 is with pc, the other is using the roku add chan feature |
| 20:36.50 | herlo | beandog: no doubt, but I think it's a migratory execution. In a year, nobody will remember comcast |
| 20:36.53 | mindjuju | here is chan code |
| 20:36.54 | mindjuju | MYPLAYONÂ |
| 20:37.04 | fungus | Don't get me wrong. the incredible speed from Comcast is totally worth the few issues. |
| 20:37.08 | herlo | mindjuju: haha, that's the one they have on playon.com :) |
| 20:37.16 | beandog | mindjuju: yah, nice try. |
| 20:37.20 | beandog | Dont forget to drink your Ovaltine. |
| 20:37.28 | herlo | er .tv |
| 20:37.41 | beandog | fungus: agreed. |
| 20:37.45 | fungus | I went from Qwest/XM 3M/1M -> Comcast 20M/4M for the same price |
| 20:37.50 | beandog | mine is $30/mo |
| 20:37.51 | beandog | whee |
| 20:37.54 | beandog | for some really fast tier |
| 20:38.27 | herlo | let's see if I can hit the limit every month :) |
| 20:39.39 | beandog | herlo: whats the limit |
| 20:40.10 | fungus | 250GB/mo |
| 20:40.24 | herlo | beandog: it's technically unlimited, but the fine print says something like 500G/mo for the $65/mo deal |
| 20:40.55 | herlo | fungus: yeah, that's for the slower plan, iirc. I think they both used to be the same. I'll have to check again |
| 20:41.24 | fungus | ah, yeah, last i checked (a year ago) they were all the same. |
| 20:41.57 | herlo | I think it changed about then |
| 20:42.22 | mindjuju | so herlo, beandog, i'm totally confused about what you're saying about the chan code for playon, adding a chan to roku is by using their catalog, or in the case of a private chan, the private chan comes with a code that you put into your roku account and then your roku device adds that automatically |
| 20:42.31 | mindjuju | i'm not sure of what your argument is? |
| 20:42.39 | beandog | mindjuju: that code you gave us is on their website |
| 20:42.44 | mindjuju | right |
| 20:42.48 | mindjuju | that's how you add |
| 20:42.51 | beandog | mindjuju: it was just funny because you said it like it was some super seekrit code. |
| 20:42.58 | mindjuju | oh |
| 20:42.58 | herlo | fungus: nope, I'm wrong. It's only for business accounts |
| 20:43.06 | herlo | the limit there is much higher |
| 20:43.08 | mindjuju | did i? |
| 20:43.12 | herlo | http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#excessive |
| 20:43.15 | beandog | sure came across that way |
| 20:43.18 | beandog | :) |
| 20:43.18 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: you still need playon running on a pc for roku |
| 20:43.42 | herlo | mindjuju: http://www.playon.tv/devices/roku <-- on this page, it gives your channel code you mentioned earlier |
| 20:43.50 | mindjuju | where do you see that DtD? |
| 20:43.54 | herlo | find the purple #1 |
| 20:43.59 | herlo | in that paragraph |
| 20:44.03 | fungus | yeah, business comcast is much more awesome, but more expensive too |
| 20:44.03 | beandog | the BIG BOLD CODE |
| 20:44.14 | herlo | fungus: indeed, sorry I misled you |
| 20:44.19 | skinner | hmmmm 15/3Mbps @ $30/mo for 6 months, then $45 for the rest of the year, then anywhere from $42 - $60/mo after than |
| 20:44.19 | fungus | np |
| 20:44.30 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.playon.tv/devices/roku "First of all, make sure you have PlayOn installed on your PC and that your PC is on the same network as your Roku." |
| 20:44.32 | skinner | *after that |
| 20:44.35 | beandog | skinner: ask them if they have any annual deals |
| 20:44.40 | beandog | skinner: I got mine $30/mo for 12 months |
| 20:44.51 | skinner | for the 15/3? |
| 20:44.54 | beandog | skinner: and if they say they dont, just say you'll call em later or something |
| 20:45.03 | beandog | skinner: just call em up and see what they say ... |
| 20:45.12 | beandog | you can easily talk them into getting a good deal if you just hem and haw |
| 20:45.29 | skinner | hehehe kewl |
| 20:45.37 | beandog | in fact do this |
| 20:45.43 | beandog | just call and say you're asking to find out prices, and that's it |
| 20:46.42 | herlo | fungus: http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#monitor |
| 20:47.06 | skinner | beandog: awesome thnx |
| 20:47.06 | herlo | fungus: that states that as long as the node (it would seem) doesn't exceed a limit, they won't notice really... |
| 20:47.17 | beandog | [ 30.774134] ioremap error for 0xbfe90000-0xbfe91000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 |
| 20:47.18 | beandog | ew |
| 20:47.20 | beandog | that doesnt look good. |
| 20:47.20 | herlo | fungus: is that what it seems to you? |
| 20:47.30 | fungus | I average only about 100GB/mo so I don't really mind. |
| 20:48.36 | herlo | I actually have no idea how much I download, but I suspect it's closer to 200GB |
| 20:48.40 | beandog | ugh |
| 20:52.45 | mindjuju | thx for catch on that DtD, i didn't see that |
| 20:58.24 | herlo | fungus: you can actually get your usage right from the xfinity customer account pages |
| 20:58.35 | herlo | https://customer.comcast.com/Secure/UsageMeterDetail.aspx |
| 20:58.40 | fungus | yeah, that's how i discovered my average usage |
| 20:59.24 | herlo | January - 202G / Feb 290G / Mar 93G / Apr 154G (so far) |
| 20:59.31 | herlo | that is mine |
| 20:59.51 | beandog | wtc are you downloading |
| 21:00.05 | herlo | beandog: I serve torrents for fedora all the time |
| 21:00.21 | herlo | and we watch a lot of netflix movies each month, plus there are the things I don't want to talk about :) |
| 21:00.27 | beandog | herlo: oh okay |
| 21:00.29 | beandog | makes sense. |
| 21:00.49 | beandog | dont the torrents clog your connectioN? |
| 21:00.52 | beandog | are you doing any qos? |
| 21:00.53 | herlo | beandog: let me just say, I have a 2TB media vault here that's mostly full |
| 21:01.04 | beandog | yah mines almost full too ... gotta get a new one |
| 21:01.08 | herlo | beandog: rtorrent has qos built in, but I rarely have clogged pipes |
| 21:01.08 | skinner | "things I don't want to talk about" = Repeaded viewings of Friday on youtube |
| 21:01.12 | beandog | herlo: what are you hosting your drives in? |
| 21:01.18 | beandog | lol |
| 21:01.21 | herlo | beandog: a custom machine... |
| 21:01.26 | beandog | herlo: okay |
| 21:01.30 | herlo | skinner: oh, yes, that is it! you got me :) |
| 21:01.45 | beandog | some of them dont support 2TB drives |
| 21:01.51 | herlo | beandog: I have WD black drives that I've RAIDED |
| 21:01.59 | herlo | 1TB each |
| 21:01.59 | beandog | what kind of raid |
| 21:02.03 | herlo | RAID 6 |
| 21:02.08 | herlo | the best kind |
| 21:02.15 | herlo | for an individual, anyay |
| 21:02.17 | herlo | anyway |
| 21:02.24 | beandog | whats raid6? |
| 21:02.40 | DexterTheDragon | its ike raid5 only 1 better |
| 21:02.46 | fungus | exactly |
| 21:03.10 | beandog | uh okay |
| 21:03.17 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: pretty much |
| 21:03.23 | beandog | wow, srsly? |
| 21:03.26 | fungus | Instead of 1 parity drive on raid5, it's got two parity drives |
| 21:03.27 | herlo | it's dual parity |
| 21:03.29 | beandog | wd external drives dont have esata? |
| 21:03.32 | beandog | that cant be right. |
| 21:03.56 | beandog | oh my gosh. nope. usb2 |
| 21:03.58 | beandog | FAIL |
| 21:04.10 | herlo | beandog: the thing about dual parity that's nice over single parity is that one of the two spare drives is essentially ready-to-go if one of the main drives fails |
| 21:04.32 | herlo | in RAID 5, the recovery time degraded performance so badly it wasn't worth using when rebuilding an array |
| 21:04.53 | herlo | beandog: look at a drobo or something, probably :) |
| 21:05.05 | beandog | herlo: drobo is out of this world expensive |
| 21:05.18 | DexterTheDragon | and sloooooow |
| 21:06.07 | beandog | zotac:/var/media 1375G 1084G 278G 78.8 [############################################################################.....................] /var/media |
| 21:06.12 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: only to sync, I hear |
| 21:06.19 | beandog | pydf ftw |
| 21:06.21 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: yeah |
| 21:06.23 | fungus | drobo makes up for it in flexibility |
| 21:06.25 | herlo | beandog: what is that?? |
| 21:06.34 | herlo | pydf?? |
| 21:06.37 | beandog | filesystem, size, used, avail, use% |
| 21:06.43 | herlo | ooh |
| 21:06.51 | beandog | http://kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk/~garabik/software/pydf/ |
| 21:07.03 | mindjuju | oh funny |
| 21:07.24 | mindjuju | having 2 roku devices (removing the xboxen) have more than doubled my comcast utilization |
| 21:07.38 | mindjuju | i went from 60GB last few months to 141 this month |
| 21:07.45 | herlo | beandog: yeah, looking to see if it's in fedora |
| 21:07.48 | herlo | if not, I may package it |
| 21:07.55 | herlo | boo, it's not |
| 21:08.00 | herlo | time to package it, I guess :) |
| 21:08.08 | beandog | herlo: its just a small python script, I believe. |
| 21:08.18 | beandog | pydf is all-singing, all-dancing, fully colourised df(1)-clone |
| 21:08.18 | beandog | written in python. |
| 21:08.38 | herlo | beandog: from 1999?? |
| 21:08.43 | herlo | http://kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk/~garabik/software/pydf/RPMs/ |
| 21:08.51 | beandog | herlo: dont knock it, it works |
| 21:09.11 | herlo | beandog: no, the RPMS are from 1999 |
| 21:09.14 | herlo | the code is 2010 |
| 21:09.16 | beandog | Oh. |
| 21:09.30 | herlo | :) |
| 21:09.35 | herlo | sad that he hasn't rebuilt it |
| 21:10.04 | herlo | beandog: is it version 9? |
| 21:10.11 | herlo | or 0.9? |
| 21:11.02 | beandog | herlo: um |
| 21:11.15 | beandog | herlo: in our repository, just a 9 |
| 21:12.46 | herlo | whoa, in the public domain?? |
| 21:12.48 | herlo | nice |
| 21:14.15 | DexterTheDragon | ~beandog++ |
| 21:14.32 | herlo | beandog: any particular python requirement now? |
| 21:14.40 | herlo | in the old spec it says 1.5.2 |
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| 21:19.34 | beandog | herlo: let me look |
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| 21:20.08 | beandog | herlo: no, looks like any version is fine |
| 21:20.24 | beandog | herlo: we do run this: |
| 21:20.28 | beandog | sed "s:/etc/pydfrc:${EPREFIX}/etc/pydfrc:g" -i ${PN} || die |
| 21:20.45 | beandog | I dont even know what EPREFIX would be |
| 21:20.47 | beandog | Oh |
| 21:20.55 | beandog | thats probably fine. |
| 21:21.23 | beandog | I mean, it's probably fine to ignore that. |
| 21:31.48 | beandog | SunSparc: ping |
| 21:33.06 | beandog | SunSparc: so I was having this convo with my boss earlier .. how would you describe the difference between dedicated hosting and cloud hosting? |
| 21:35.50 | SunSparc | Hmm.... |
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| 21:37.55 | SunSparc | beandog: In essence they are pretty much the same. The difference is that with dedicated hosting there is usually one server that could have problems. In cloud hosting, the physical "server" is a large group of machines, any of which could die and be replaced transparently. |
| 21:38.33 | SunSparc | A good dedicated server will have redundant hardware as well, but the cloud takes that to a whole new level. |
| 21:38.47 | DexterTheDragon | unless all of them die then your down for 2 days |
| 21:39.19 | SunSparc | Yep, depending on how the "cloud" is created, your redundancy could still be vulnerable. |
| 21:39.23 | beandog | SunSparc: so redundancy is the big thing. I was saying that negotiable pricing is one as well |
| 21:39.33 | beandog | kind of a pay-as-you-go approach |
| 21:39.48 | beandog | versus fixed costs and limits with a dedicated plan |
| 21:40.05 | SunSparc | Well, it may be more flexible in the cloud, but both can have negotiable pricing. |
| 21:40.15 | beandog | SunSparc: okay |
| 21:40.57 | fungus | cloud also implies dynamic scaling. Though YMMV |
| 21:40.57 | SunSparc | The cloud is certainly more trendy right now. |
| 21:41.56 | beandog | SunSparc: yah |
| 21:42.02 | beandog | it's my bosses new favorite worrd |
| 21:42.03 | beandog | word |
| 21:42.26 | SunSparc | beandog: Oh yes, it is a huge buzzword right now. |
| 21:42.40 | SunSparc | You should ask your boss to define "the cloud". |
| 21:42.44 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 21:42.47 | beandog | SunSparc: heh I was thinking about that |
| 21:43.14 | mindjuju | isn't the cloud something microsoft invented, i mean, their comercials take credit for it and all |
| 21:43.22 | mindjuju | To the Cloud! |
| 21:43.29 | SunSparc | Then take a picture of his face right after you ask it, and send us a copy of the image so that we can find enjoyment mocking his consternation. |
| 21:43.36 | beandog | heh |
| 21:43.40 | beandog | I wouldnt do that. I like my boss. |
| 21:43.56 | mindjuju | SunSparc - http://i.imgur.com/HkWEf.jpg |
| 21:44.13 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Didn't Microsoft invent everything but the wheel and the Internet? |
| 21:44.17 | beandog | that's going to be my new wallpaper, mindjuju |
| 21:44.35 | SunSparc | mindjuju: That rocks! |
| 21:44.55 | mindjuju | i found it myself! |
| 21:45.26 | beandog | mindjuju: you found earth? |
| 21:45.45 | mindjuju | yeah, it was stuck to the bottom of your shoe again |
| 21:45.54 | beandog | lol, good reply |
| 21:46.01 | beandog | ~mindjuju++ |
| 21:46.21 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:47.03 | mindjuju | i should be a stand up comedian ! Why did the plummer decide to be a comedian? because he was the life of the potty! |
| 21:47.14 | beandog | lols |
| 21:48.01 | SunSparc | mindjuju: That image reminds me of this poster I want to get from National Geographic: http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/maps/wall-maps/space-maps/universe-map |
| 21:48.29 | beandog | that is awesome |
| 21:48.35 | beandog | I used to have NG maps on my wall when I was a kid |
| 21:48.40 | SunSparc | It is basically a very cool "You are here" map of the universe. |
| 21:48.48 | mindjuju | that is cool |
| 21:49.11 | beandog | SunSparc: amazon has it too |
| 21:49.16 | beandog | amazon prime, whee! |
| 21:49.22 | beandog | the bane of my checking acct. |
| 21:49.25 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:49.29 | mindjuju | i love amazon prime |
| 21:49.32 | mindjuju | free for students! |
| 21:49.35 | mindjuju | at least for this year |
| 21:49.36 | SunSparc | That is why I have not given into Prime yet. |
| 21:49.39 | beandog | ooh check out the milky way one |
| 21:49.53 | beandog | look, there's Romulus! |
| 21:50.24 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:53.36 | mindjuju | i wonder if they still make the NG mag |
| 21:54.04 | beandog | whats that |
| 21:54.35 | mindjuju | you know, the magazine , yellow, tons of pics, some naughty :) |
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| 21:56.09 | beandog | oh, mag. I read map |
| 22:06.17 | mindjuju | ~give beandog a gigabyte nic |
| 22:06.17 | ibot | ACTION gives a gigabyte nic to beandog |
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| 22:10.56 | beandog | oh man Im blind |
| 22:11.00 | beandog | my server already has two nics |
| 22:11.01 | beandog | o.O |
| 22:13.44 | herlo | beandog: pydf rpm built |
| 22:13.56 | beandog | herlo: woots! |
| 22:14.17 | herlo | http://fpaste.org/GbzY/ |
| 22:14.40 | herlo | beandog: I suspect there are other features, but I'm going to submit this rpm today... |
| 22:15.07 | beandog | herlo: you gonna send a copy upstream too? |
| 22:15.19 | beandog | herlo: nice :) |
| 22:15.23 | beandog | your users will thank you |
| 22:15.47 | beandog | herlo: if youre in a packaging mood, I recommend unfoo as well :D |
| 22:16.08 | herlo | beandog: yeah, pydf is already the way it should be in tar form on his site, I didn't change his code |
| 22:16.10 | beandog | Description: A simple bash driven frontend to simplify decompression of files |
| 22:16.18 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: you may like^^ |
| 22:16.22 | beandog | http://obsoleet.org/code/unfoo |
| 22:16.30 | beandog | mindjuju would love that too |
| 22:17.03 | herlo | beandog: interesting |
| 22:17.04 | mindjuju | huh? what? didn't do it |
| 22:17.13 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: my versions better https://github.com/DexterTheDragon/dotfiles/blob/master/bin/unfoo |
| 22:17.28 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: hows that? |
| 22:17.33 | herlo | beandog: rpmbuild already untars/uncompresses/etc but that might be good... |
| 22:17.40 | DexterTheDragon | I added auto sub folder ditection |
| 22:17.51 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: oh? |
| 22:17.56 | DexterTheDragon | s/di/de/ |
| 22:18.08 | beandog | man I love goo shell scripts |
| 22:18.12 | beandog | *good |
| 22:18.30 | beandog | I'm so stoked, I have two nics!!! that means I can rearrange the network tonight :D |
| 22:18.31 | DexterTheDragon | so if the files in the zip aren't all in a folder is automatically sticks em in one |
| 22:18.52 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: that is nice. |
| 22:19.49 | beandog | I love good bash code. |
| 22:19.51 | beandog | tell u whot. |
| 22:25.31 | mindjuju | beandog sounds like Hank Hill |
| 22:31.34 | beandog | whut |
| 22:31.45 | skinner | awww now it's snowing |
| 22:31.48 | skinner | :( |
| 22:31.59 | skinner | ~weather 84058 |
| 22:32.06 | herlo | skinner: it sort of did here, but nothing stuck |
| 22:32.09 | beandog | yah it was earlier here |
| 22:32.13 | beandog | but its nice and sunny now |
| 22:32.15 | beandog | ~weather 84106 |
| 22:32.25 | beandog | ~weather 84103 |
| 22:32.31 | beandog | did I forget my zip |
| 22:32.33 | skinner | es borken |
| 22:32.36 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 22:32.36 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Cloudy 40f / 4c Humidity: 54% Wind: N at 16 mph |
| 22:32.45 | skinner | ~weather 84057 |
| 22:32.58 | beandog | poo |
| 22:33.01 | beandog | $weather 84106 |
| 22:33.01 | raifbot | 3beandog - 0,2current weather for 84106 - Cloudy 42f / 6c Humidity: 53% Wind: NW at 16 mph |
| 22:33.56 | herlo | $weather 84123 |
| 22:33.57 | raifbot | 3herlo - 0,2current weather for 84123 - Cloudy 41f / 5c Humidity: 52% Wind: NW at 17 mph |
| 22:34.10 | herlo | I has the lowest humidity :) |
| 22:38.39 | fungus | $weather 84119 |
| 22:38.40 | raifbot | 3fungus - 0,2current weather for 84119 - Cloudy 44f / 7c Humidity: 45% Wind: NW at 16 mph |
| 22:39.08 | josephscott | $weather 90210 |
| 22:39.09 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 90210 - Sunny 69f / 21c Humidity: 28% Wind: SW at 8 mph |
| 22:39.55 | fungus | Cloudy my ass, it's snowing |
| 22:40.10 | beandog | its snowing again |
| 22:40.13 | beandog | dangit. |
| 22:40.39 | beandog | My screensaver maxes out my CPU and turns the fan on. Energy save FAIL. |
| 22:41.50 | beandog | although I guess a screensaver isnt to save energy |
| 22:41.54 | beandog | so, I fail. |
| 22:41.57 | beandog | at failing. |
| 22:42.39 | SunSparc | laterz |
| 22:50.27 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (~mgeary@50.8.70.19) |
| 23:05.59 | *** join/#uphpu jtsnow (~jtsnow@VDSL-151-118-130-166.DNVR.QWEST.NET) |
| 23:14.34 | beandog | fungus: you still around |
| 23:14.51 | fungus | yes |
| 23:14.59 | beandog | fungus: I got a networking question |
| 23:15.17 | fungus | there's no place like 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:15.22 | beandog | If I wanted to have a linux box acting as a router, and I wanted to create a second subnet for wifi |
| 23:15.32 | beandog | would I need a nic just for that wifi? |
| 23:15.54 | beandog | for that wifi router, I should say |
| 23:16.15 | beandog | basically I want to have a wifi network that Guests can log in to, but not have access to our office lan. |
| 23:16.18 | fungus | you don't *have* to, but it's nice |
| 23:16.32 | beandog | fungus: whats the alternative? an alias ethernet device? |
| 23:16.42 | fungus | yup |
| 23:16.53 | beandog | Hmm |
| 23:17.03 | beandog | how would the wifi router connect then? |
| 23:17.14 | beandog | just through the switch, and get its ip from the router? |
| 23:17.22 | beandog | on the aliased subnet? |
| 23:17.27 | fungus | You can run multiple subnets on the same physical layer. it's just not pretty |
| 23:17.48 | beandog | fungus: whats not pretty about it |
| 23:17.55 | beandog | just simpler to have a secondary nic? |
| 23:18.14 | fungus | it's a tiny bit simpler, but there's the security factor. |
| 23:18.20 | beandog | fungus: hows that |
| 23:18.50 | beandog | b/c the router can set its connection settings? |
| 23:18.55 | beandog | versus getting them from the router |
| 23:19.01 | beandog | er .. wifi router, first sentence |
| 23:19.01 | fungus | If they are sharing the same physical layer then one subnet can forge an IP on the other subnet very easily |
| 23:19.07 | fungus | no physical separation. |
| 23:19.08 | beandog | okay |
| 23:20.05 | fungus | Since you are segregating for security purposes, for guest use, I highly recommend a separate NIC |
| 23:20.09 | beandog | yah |
| 23:20.15 | beandog | makes sense. |
| 23:20.23 | beandog | er. yah, that's the best approach. |
| 23:20.56 | fungus | I once did something similar at my house. |
| 23:21.08 | fungus | Linux had 3 NICs, public, private, wifi |
| 23:21.33 | beandog | howd that work out |
| 23:21.38 | fungus | err. FreeBSD in my implementation actually but that's just a detail. |
| 23:21.44 | fungus | It worked great. |
| 23:22.00 | beandog | whats the diff between public and wifi |
| 23:22.05 | fungus | But almost no-one used my guest wifi, so I cut it out to reduce complexity |
| 23:22.09 | beandog | er, wait |
| 23:22.29 | fungus | public was the actual public IP network w/ my DSL modem and public servers. |
| 23:23.05 | beandog | oh, gotcha |
| 23:23.06 | beandog | huh |
| 23:23.09 | beandog | that's interesting. |
| 23:23.14 | beandog | maybe I should do that. |
| 23:23.33 | beandog | because we do have a server that has public services |
| 23:23.41 | fungus | <plug>pfSense can route all that really easy. </plug> |
| 23:24.33 | fungus | How critical is this guest wifi? |
| 23:24.39 | beandog | not at all |
| 23:24.42 | beandog | we dont even have many guests. |
| 23:24.49 | fungus | Why not just simply use the wifi router to just do the routing itself. |
| 23:24.57 | beandog | because it sucks |
| 23:25.04 | fungus | Plug the WAN port to your public IP network, and leave it at that. |
| 23:25.13 | josephscott | $lart bad routing |
| 23:25.14 | raifbot | chops bad routing in half with a free AOL CD. |
| 23:25.30 | fungus | ok, understood. |
| 23:25.30 | beandog | fungus: its an airport, and I want the opp. to change networking without bringing everyone down. |
| 23:25.42 | beandog | fex, edit firewall |
| 23:26.48 | beandog | fungus: isnt that a recommended setup anyway, your dmz would house stuff that is public everywhere, and then you'd have a separate public subnet for office services |
| 23:26.55 | fungus | Do you already have a firewall or router that has a spare interface? |
| 23:27.13 | beandog | fungus: yah Ive got one linux box right now with 2 nics and I'm gonna turn that into the gateway |
| 23:27.33 | fungus | turn it in to your company production router? |
| 23:27.49 | beandog | yah |
| 23:27.59 | fungus | wow, you got guts. |
| 23:28.03 | beandog | whys that |
| 23:28.33 | fungus | how much data do you pass through it? how critical is it? |
| 23:28.54 | beandog | how critical? |
| 23:28.54 | beandog | uh |
| 23:28.59 | beandog | very? I guess. |
| 23:29.08 | beandog | We need to get out far more than we need people to get in. |
| 23:29.13 | beandog | If people can't get in, it's pretty meh |
| 23:29.22 | beandog | not a huge deal. |
| 23:29.26 | fungus | if it went down for an hour, would your boss(s) come kill you? lose thousands of dollars. |
| 23:29.46 | beandog | fungus: worst case scenario, it'd go down and I'd have to drive 10 minutes to see whats wrong. |
| 23:29.59 | beandog | fungus: and devs would be down for maybe 30 minutes |
| 23:30.14 | beandog | even then, they can do without the internet for a bit, it wouldnt be a HUGE killer. |
| 23:30.32 | fungus | ok, so your connection isn't anything like 5-9s critical, more like 1 or 2 9s |
| 23:30.36 | beandog | So, its critical internally, not externally |
| 23:30.41 | beandog | yah |
| 23:30.44 | beandog | that's pretty accurate. |
| 23:30.56 | fungus | got it. I'm just not use to that. :) |
| 23:31.06 | beandog | oh okay |
| 23:31.09 | beandog | just a SOHO |
| 23:31.14 | fungus | cool |
| 23:31.16 | beandog | mission critical stuff is off our LAN anyway |
| 23:31.21 | beandog | well, as far as hosting. |
| 23:31.38 | fungus | Yeah, your idea would be cool. |
| 23:31.54 | beandog | fungus: okay, so now, Im thinking I really like the idea of setting up a dmz |
| 23:32.05 | beandog | fungus: dmz is basically just the stuff that is accessible on the internet is on its own subnet, right? |
| 23:32.17 | fungus | pretty much yeah. |
| 23:32.24 | beandog | fungus: and then everyone internally who needs anything there would go through the gateway to get it, but its essentially approached as if they are on the outside anyway, right? |
| 23:32.30 | beandog | like, connecting to foo.domain.com instead of just hostname foo |
| 23:32.56 | fungus | perhaps, DNS is entirely up to you, doesn't have to be a separate domain. |
| 23:33.01 | fungus | just a different subnet |
| 23:33.07 | beandog | fungus: well, yah, I was just thinking diff subnets. |
| 23:33.24 | fungus | most often it's implemented like this: |
| 23:33.32 | beandog | fungus: I used domain to specify that private subnet treats public subnet like it was just part of the internet |
| 23:33.33 | fungus | LAN full access to both internet and dmz |
| 23:33.48 | fungus | internet has specific rules to access the dmz |
| 23:33.56 | fungus | dmz has full access to internet |
| 23:34.05 | fungus | dmz has zero access to the lan |
| 23:34.57 | beandog | fungus: does lan have access to dmz? |
| 23:35.16 | fungus | yeah, i said that. |
| 23:35.18 | beandog | like, would it be lan -> gateway -> dmz or lan -> dmz |
| 23:35.32 | fungus | gateway is between all three. it's your gatekeeper |
| 23:35.36 | beandog | right |
| 23:35.46 | beandog | but dmz and lan can't see each other at all right |
| 23:35.56 | beandog | completely separate subnets |
| 23:36.14 | fungus | They are separate, but you use firewall rules to limit traffic between them |
| 23:36.33 | fungus | dmz should not be able to initiate connections to the lan |
| 23:36.42 | beandog | fungus: that was gonna be my next question. If you are pinging dmz, how does the gateway know that it's right there, and not to go outside to resolve it and come back in |
| 23:37.13 | beandog | fungus: okay. Im a bit confused how the lan gets to the dmz then. |
| 23:37.14 | beandog | -_- |
| 23:37.15 | fungus | don't confuse this with DNS |
| 23:37.19 | beandog | okay |
| 23:37.28 | fungus | DNS is unrelated to this concept |
| 23:37.42 | fungus | this is a subnet concept |
| 23:37.43 | fungus | routing |
| 23:37.45 | fungus | firewall |
| 23:38.08 | beandog | ok |
| 23:38.30 | beandog | So the firewall is just routing requests from lan to dmz |
| 23:38.39 | beandog | firewal blocks requests to lan from dmz |
| 23:38.55 | fungus | pretty much yeah. |
| 23:39.01 | beandog | Okay. |
| 23:39.17 | beandog | could the dmz box be the firewall / gateway as well |
| 23:39.24 | beandog | or is that a bad idea |
| 23:39.43 | fungus | dmz isn't a box, it's a subnet. could be one machine or many |
| 23:40.09 | beandog | okay, sorry. I was thinking public services running on one box, dmz is made of up of one client, so .. yah, just call it dmz. |
| 23:40.23 | fungus | If you don't segregate your firewall box from your server box, don't even bother with the DMZ firewall setup. |
| 23:41.00 | beandog | the reason being, if they get into your box that is part of the dmz, and it's handling the connections, then it's game over anyway, and they can get anywhere on the network |
| 23:41.04 | beandog | right? |
| 23:41.24 | fungus | that's the idea yeah. |
| 23:41.28 | beandog | Gotcha. |
| 23:41.39 | beandog | pfsense is sounding easier all the time. |
| 23:42.14 | beandog | fungus: okay, so just so I have this straight... public subnet (dmz) is the only one running public services (apache, smtp) |
| 23:42.33 | beandog | fungus: and private subnet (lan) is running internal services (netatalk, samba, sshd), right? |
| 23:42.41 | fungus | right. |
| 23:42.47 | beandog | okay |
| 23:42.49 | beandog | Yah. I like that setup. |
| 23:43.02 | fungus | Keep private stuff in the lan, and public stuff in the dmz |
| 23:43.05 | beandog | fungus: dude, thanks man. Im gonna buy you a DVD or something |
| 23:43.26 | beandog | I had my head wrapped around most of it. not the routing part though. |
| 23:43.45 | beandog | pfsense is gonna be pretty low-key right? I could get some underpowered crappy box and run it on there ? |
| 23:44.33 | fungus | relatively yeah. with standard soho type traffic, sure. |
| 23:49.51 | beandog | okay |
| 23:49.51 | beandog | cool |
| 23:49.53 | beandog | thx |
| 23:49.55 | beandog | ~fungus++ |
