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| 00:32.33 | influx | Have any of you here read SQL Cookbook? |
| 00:32.34 | influx | http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596009762/ |
| 00:32.48 | influx | If you have, what are your thoughts on it? |
| 00:33.06 | herlo | any css freaks around? |
| 00:33.15 | herlo | when I say freak, I mean it in a good way :) |
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| 00:35.46 | influx | What's up? |
| 00:36.01 | carmony | herlo: just got your invite :P |
| 00:38.14 | redroy | I'm decent... |
| 00:38.18 | influx | herlo: Yo. |
| 00:39.10 | herlo | carmony: :) |
| 00:39.16 | herlo | influx: sorr |
| 00:39.17 | herlo | y |
| 00:39.27 | herlo | I've got a bit of a headache with css |
| 00:39.39 | herlo | it happens every time I look at trying to do something with it :) |
| 00:39.57 | herlo | redroy: cool, you, carmony, and influx can rock my css world! |
| 00:41.16 | influx | no worries |
| 00:41.48 | herlo | let me see if I can get a quick mockup of what I want, and what I have |
| 00:45.32 | redroy | anyone know why I can't add a photo to my profile on uphpu.org |
| 00:45.47 | redroy | permissions perhaps |
| 00:46.33 | carmony | herlo: whats your css prob? |
| 00:48.42 | redroy | herlo, my ride is here⦠sorry I could help with the rocking of your css world :) |
| 00:50.29 | herlo | no worries |
| 00:50.33 | herlo | nn redroy |
| 00:50.38 | herlo | carmony: almost there |
| 00:50.46 | herlo | carmony: did you like the invite :) |
| 00:53.21 | herlo | carmony: http://herlo.org/misc/pa-current.png |
| 00:53.30 | herlo | carmony: http://herlo.org/misc/pa-whatiwant.png |
| 00:53.35 | herlo | influx: ^^ you too |
| 00:53.57 | herlo | essentially, the current is 1x38px |
| 00:54.05 | herlo | and it's a css background image |
| 00:54.29 | herlo | the fonts aren't the issue so much, nor is the alignment of the purple atom logo |
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| 01:00.30 | influx | herlo: My ride to the station's ready to go. I'll take a look when I get home. :) |
| 01:00.40 | herlo | influx: k |
| 01:00.47 | herlo | carmony: ping? |
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| 01:25.33 | herlo | anyone else want to rock my css world? |
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| 01:34.15 | carmony | herlo: lol |
| 01:34.16 | carmony | ok |
| 01:34.21 | herlo | yay |
| 01:34.29 | herlo | carmony is back |
| 01:36.12 | carmony | ok, so lets see... |
| 01:36.33 | herlo | you can go to purpleatom.com and play aroudn if you like |
| 01:36.51 | herlo | I have this too: http://purpleatom.com/wp-content/themes/minimal-georgia/images/pa-logo.png |
| 01:36.53 | herlo | if it helps any |
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| 01:45.16 | carmony | ok, so you basically need it to show the logo? |
| 01:47.24 | herlo | yeah, with a slightly different color |
| 01:47.28 | herlo | but that's not a big deal |
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| 02:07.42 | carmony | herlo: ok, what I would do is put another <div> tag that wraps the content inside .header-fill |
| 02:08.00 | herlo | k |
| 02:08.01 | carmony | call it .header-fill-inside |
| 02:08.06 | herlo | sounds good |
| 02:08.25 | carmony | then for the css for .header-fill-inside |
| 02:08.28 | herlo | carmony: hang on, doing it now... |
| 02:08.33 | carmony | l |
| 02:08.34 | carmony | k |
| 02:08.41 | herlo | oh, okay, I'll paste as you write |
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| 02:09.38 | herlo | carmony: updated the div |
| 02:09.42 | herlo | that look right? |
| 02:10.03 | carmony | .header-fill-inside { width:100%; height:38px; background:url(images/pa-logo.png) top left no-repeat; } |
| 02:10.26 | carmony | hrm, it looks like it is on the outside and not the inside |
| 02:10.57 | herlo | oh, you said wrap |
| 02:11.05 | herlo | misunderstood |
| 02:11.06 | herlo | hang on |
| 02:13.49 | herlo | carmony: oh, very nice and close |
| 02:14.08 | carmony | you could make your image 2 px taller |
| 02:14.33 | herlo | yes, I was tinkering with the image |
| 02:14.40 | herlo | need to move it left anyway |
| 02:14.46 | herlo | and it's still a bit ugly |
| 02:16.32 | herlo | carmony: thanks a ton, though |
| 02:16.46 | carmony | you're welcome :) |
| 02:17.00 | herlo | carmony: so did you like the invites? :) |
| 02:17.02 | carmony | you help me with sys admin stuff all the time |
| 02:17.06 | carmony | haha, yeah, we did :) |
| 02:17.09 | herlo | cool |
| 02:17.13 | herlo | hope you can make it |
| 02:18.14 | carmony | Joanna got mad at me though, cause I guess I hadn't told her you two were getting married in may |
| 02:18.22 | carmony | I thought I had :P |
| 02:18.46 | herlo | lol |
| 02:19.13 | herlo | carmony: nice work :P |
| 02:20.16 | carmony | but Joanna and I are planning on coming :) |
| 02:20.55 | herlo | great! |
| 02:21.26 | herlo | it'll be lots of fun |
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| 02:24.58 | herlo | carmony: you like it now? http://purpleatom.com/ |
| 02:27.41 | carmony | nice |
| 02:27.43 | carmony | :) |
| 02:27.47 | herlo | thanks for the help |
| 02:27.52 | herlo | much better |
| 02:28.07 | herlo | carmony: haven't decided if I like the logo on the left like that, but it seems to work for now |
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| 02:36.46 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 02:36.47 | raifbot | cats /dev/urandom into stderr-'s ear. |
| 02:38.01 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 02:38.01 | raifbot | Chuck Norris is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head. |
| 02:47.21 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 02:47.22 | raifbot | Chuck Norris doesn't have to do anything for a Klondike bar |
| 02:47.40 | ninnypants | hey what hosts would you guys suggest? |
| 02:47.50 | ninnypants | I'm thinking of moving my sites to media temple |
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| 03:23.09 | mastergunns | @ninnypants and I'm moving all mine off MT |
| 03:29.29 | ninnypants | mastergunns: didn't catch your first message |
| 03:31.10 | mastergunns | you said "I'm thinking of moving my sites to media temple", and I said I'm in the process of moving mine off of MT |
| 03:35.06 | herlo | mastergunns: what's wrong with MT? |
| 03:35.39 | herlo | I was looking at a Nitro (http://mediatemple.net/webhosting/nitro/) recently |
| 03:35.47 | herlo | ninnypants: have you looked at prgmr.com? |
| 03:36.39 | mastergunns | holy hanna, yeah that is a little beefier than I'm used too. I know nothing about those servers. |
| 03:38.46 | mastergunns | @herlo their shared hosting sucks. down a lot, especially DB. slow servers. of course it's all on the shared servers. have no idea what their dedicated servers are like. |
| 03:39.13 | mastergunns | @herlo prgmr.com is awesome! and yes I love the tag line. sweet. |
| 03:40.43 | ninnypants | hmm not sure I want to handle my own |
| 03:41.13 | ninnypants | wouldn't be terrible but I'm not sure I want to take the time |
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| 03:42.51 | mastergunns | that's where I am , time just isn't on my side right now, and managing servers isn't something I look forward too. |
| 03:43.59 | ninnypants | yeah I'm kinda thinking about stackable though it could be good for what I'm doing |
| 03:45.43 | herlo | ninnypants: they have a basic create it and done server |
| 03:45.50 | herlo | you wouldn't have to do much but update it once in a while |
| 03:46.00 | herlo | as for shared hosting, maybe bluehost? |
| 03:46.24 | ninnypants | blue host and my current host are the same people |
| 03:46.37 | herlo | oh |
| 03:46.48 | herlo | ninnypants: stackable is good |
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| 03:54.52 | ninnypants | yeah I've gotten some good recommendations on MediaTemple so I think I'll try it |
| 03:55.05 | ninnypants | gonna use stackable for another project though |
| 03:55.09 | macnewbold | nice |
| 03:55.16 | macnewbold | i know some guys who love linode too |
| 03:55.53 | herlo | linode is good, but shared hosting it is not |
| 03:56.01 | herlo | nor is stackable, but hey |
| 03:56.19 | herlo | it's a bit of a hybrid if you ask me |
| 03:57.57 | ninnypants | yeah guess the initial setup is all I really need to worry about |
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| 14:55.38 | influx | herlo: Looks like carmony took care of you. That so? |
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| 14:58.26 | herlo | ya |
| 14:58.38 | herlo | influx: http://purpleatom.com is looking good, no? |
| 15:00.56 | jsmith | herlo: Too much text :-p |
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| 15:04.35 | herlo | jsmith: tl;dr? |
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| 15:20.33 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 15:20.33 | raifbot | The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain. |
| 15:22.13 | josephscott | macnewbold: confused now, what is happening with April meeting? |
| 15:22.41 | wps | Center 7 told us last night that we were good to start meeting there this month, but then this morning asked if we could wait and start in May |
| 15:26.55 | josephscott | wps: ok, and are you still presenting this month? |
| 15:27.05 | wps | I'm going to do May |
| 15:27.31 | wps | (unless someone has already committed to that dateâ¦Â I'm waiting to hear back from Mac) |
| 15:29.38 | josephscott | I thought previous email said you were doing April, part of my confusion :-) |
| 15:29.55 | wps | it did |
| 15:30.08 | wps | that was before C7 pushed our move to May |
| 15:30.20 | wps | I'd much prefer driving to Bluffdale than downtown SL |
| 15:31.49 | herlo | wps: yeah, because 10 minutes is a long way...scoff |
| 15:32.32 | wps | it's more than 10 minutes from bluffdale to downtown |
| 15:32.43 | wps | I don't have a helicopter :) |
| 15:34.01 | wps | my wife has something Thursday evenings and I'll need to be home by 9:00 |
| 15:37.56 | herlo | fair enough |
| 15:41.02 | josephscott | so we have a few weeks to come up with a new topic for April |
| 15:49.02 | wps | I can probably do April if we can't find a replacementâ¦Â May would just be much more convenient |
| 15:49.18 | wps | s/can probably/can/ |
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| 15:58.46 | Utah_Dave | wps: You really should get a helicopter. |
| 15:59.20 | mindjuju | utah_dave, don't you have access to helicopters over there at camp williams? |
| 15:59.31 | mindjuju | you could pick him up and haul him over :) |
| 15:59.41 | Utah_Dave | I wish! I do have a really good friend that works here who is an apache pilot. |
| 15:59.54 | Utah_Dave | Yes, it is the coolest thing ever. |
| 16:00.01 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:00.10 | mindjuju | do they let people see the helicopters there? |
| 16:00.16 | mindjuju | i was sad to see no air show this year |
| 16:01.15 | Utah_Dave | They don't keep helicopters here at Camp Williams, but they fly over and land her fairly often. I've got some cool pics of one landing right next the road I drive on the way to work. |
| 16:01.37 | mindjuju | that would be awesome |
| 16:01.49 | mindjuju | i want to find an air museum near by to take corban to |
| 16:02.06 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: take him to hill air force base |
| 16:02.27 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.hill.af.mil/library/museum/ |
| 16:02.39 | mindjuju | way cool! |
| 16:02.54 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: https://picasaweb.google.com/boucha/Helicopter#5097295351735477778 |
| 16:03.08 | mindjuju | maybe while we're at the museum, we'll get "lost" and find our way to popeyes! |
| 16:03.34 | mindjuju | dave! that's an awesome shot! |
| 16:03.53 | Utah_Dave | yeah. He hovered right here in this pic for a little while. https://picasaweb.google.com/boucha/Helicopter#5097295300195870162 |
| 16:04.29 | Utah_Dave | I think he was waiting for us to keep going so as not to fling a rock into our cars, but I didn't care. I was willing to risk some rock damage. It was awesome |
| 16:04.30 | mindjuju | he was prolly mulling whether he should shoot at photographers taking his picture ;) |
| 16:04.37 | Utah_Dave | :) probably |
| 16:09.50 | macnewbold | josephscott: i'll send the email to confirm april meeting - wps confirmed that they said we can meet there this time |
| 16:09.54 | macnewbold | so we'll be at the new location |
| 16:10.18 | josephscott | macnewbold: read backlog, wps said the move was put off until may |
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| 16:10.35 | macnewbold | doh |
| 16:10.36 | macnewbold | just saw that |
| 16:10.55 | macnewbold | wps: you around? i'm fine with you moving your presentation to may if you can help me find someone for april |
| 16:10.59 | josephscott | which led to my asking you in the first place, was confused by the different messages :-) |
| 16:11.09 | macnewbold | yeah, i hadn't gotten through mail yet this morning |
| 16:11.11 | macnewbold | one of those days |
| 16:13.09 | josephscott | I hear yah, it has been one of those weeks over here :-( |
| 16:15.21 | mindjuju | ~give josephscott a smore on account of his bad week |
| 16:15.21 | ibot | ACTION gives a smore on account of his bad week to josephscott |
| 16:15.50 | mindjuju | never met man nor beast that did'nt like a smore |
| 16:16.12 | josephscott | yummm |
| 16:19.59 | carmony | rofl |
| 16:20.05 | carmony | our junior dev for CEVO |
| 16:20.21 | carmony | who is working on someone else's poorly written stylesheets |
| 16:20.29 | carmony | just made a commit with this message: |
| 16:20.30 | carmony | #mainPage #leftSide #topleftCorner #thisElement .thisClass #highFiveForShittyStyles .right { font-weight: bold; } |
| 16:20.40 | herlo | lol |
| 16:20.42 | herlo | nice! |
| 16:20.53 | carmony | so I had to share |
| 16:21.14 | herlo | carmony: it's on FB already :) |
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| 16:35.38 | influx | herlo: Taking a look at the site. |
| 16:35.50 | influx | I hope you don't mind if I shoot you my take on the copy that's up right now. |
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| 16:42.28 | mindjuju | hey fungus |
| 16:42.46 | mindjuju | do the dev team at sos, do they have local admin to install on their comp? |
| 16:43.03 | mindjuju | i see no good from this, but they keep whining about it |
| 16:43.04 | fungus | dev team, yes. |
| 16:43.13 | fungus | But we like our dev team |
| 16:43.33 | fungus | And if they want linux on their boxes, we encourage that |
| 16:44.06 | mindjuju | maybe we should upgrade from xp to win 7, where at least it makes you auth everytime you want to install something |
| 16:44.30 | fungus | is your dev team that bad? |
| 16:45.08 | mindjuju | well, no, they seem pleasant enough |
| 16:45.59 | mindjuju | i mean none of them are sporting mohawks ala sunsparc or utahcon |
| 16:46.18 | fungus | heh, are you afraid they'll get into trouble installing crap? |
| 16:46.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:46.47 | mindjuju | yup, that's exactly it, we did security audit and one of them had passview on the comp, didn't know how it got there |
| 16:46.53 | mindjuju | passview dumps out all IE passwords |
| 16:47.21 | fungus | Maybe they needed to know their own passwords? |
| 16:47.42 | fungus | I look at my password list from time to time. (don't need a program for chrome though) |
| 16:48.09 | mindjuju | well, it's not a password manager, it's an application that somebody runs on the box to just dump passwords |
| 16:48.13 | mindjuju | can be used maliciously |
| 16:48.27 | fungus | Right, but it's on their own machine, right? |
| 16:48.41 | fungus | So it can only be used on their own passwords, right? |
| 16:48.43 | mindjuju | we ask, how did this get there? did you put this on your box? he says, No |
| 16:49.03 | DexterTheDragon | teh googles says its a password manager |
| 16:49.16 | fungus | If you believe him, then someone else maliciously put it on his machine. Thats a huge red flag. |
| 16:49.28 | DexterTheDragon | that he didn't lock his computer |
| 16:49.28 | mindjuju | @fungus, yup |
| 16:49.39 | fungus | If you don't believe him, then he did it for himself, and is afraid of breaking policy |
| 16:50.21 | DexterTheDragon | my question is if you can't trust a dev with the security of their comp, can you trust them to write secure software? |
| 16:50.32 | mindjuju | i'll have to defuse the situation and ask nicely |
| 16:50.52 | fungus | Yes, ask him in a friendly way so he isn't put on the spot and afraid for his job. |
| 16:52.38 | mgeary | mindjuju: i don't like S'mores |
| 16:53.00 | influx | f/w 10 |
| 16:53.14 | mindjuju | what about smores don't you like mgeary? |
| 16:53.29 | mindjuju | the choco? the gram? the marshmellow? |
| 16:53.39 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: their not a condiment |
| 16:53.49 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 16:54.30 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 16:54.47 | mgeary | the marshmallow, i guess |
| 16:54.53 | mindjuju | ah, just curious |
| 16:57.42 | influx | Hey DtD. |
| 16:57.54 | DexterTheDragon | sup influx |
| 16:58.26 | mindjuju | hey dtd, fyi, influx loves ponies |
| 16:58.27 | influx | nm |
| 16:58.33 | mindjuju | ~influx |
| 16:58.41 | influx | Oooh mayn. |
| 16:58.49 | influx | ~mindjuju |
| 16:58.49 | ibot | rumour has it, mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or a Texan, or wears his snuggie in the buff, or has a thing for hawt sitcom moms, or likes ponicals, or listens to celine dijon |
| 16:59.08 | mindjuju | blasphemy! |
| 16:59.13 | mindjuju | i hate celine dijon! |
| 16:59.51 | mindjuju | ibot, influx is likes ponies |
| 16:59.51 | ibot | okay, mindjuju |
| 16:59.56 | mindjuju | ~influx |
| 16:59.56 | ibot | well, influx is likes ponies |
| 17:00.30 | mindjuju | no, ibot, influx likes ponies |
| 17:00.50 | mindjuju | durn, i forgot how to tell him to redo the command |
| 17:01.21 | influx | ibot, I like ponies. |
| 17:01.21 | ibot | You like ponies.? |
| 17:01.24 | fungus | ~forget influx |
| 17:01.24 | ibot | fungus: i forgot influx |
| 17:01.25 | influx | yes |
| 17:01.29 | influx | ibot, Yes. |
| 17:01.29 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, yes is the opposite of no |
| 17:01.34 | influx | ~influx |
| 17:02.03 | mgeary | ibot: influx is a complex mixture of emotions, bubbling just beneath the surface, waiting to erupt |
| 17:02.03 | ibot | okay, mgeary |
| 17:02.21 | mgeary | ~influx |
| 17:02.22 | ibot | it has been said that influx is a complex mixture of emotions, bubbling just beneath the surface, waiting to erupt |
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| 17:02.30 | mgeary | ~score mgeary |
| 17:03.15 | mindjuju | ibot, influx is also likes ponies |
| 17:03.15 | ibot | mindjuju: okay |
| 17:03.19 | mindjuju | ~influx |
| 17:03.19 | ibot | somebody said influx was a complex mixture of emotions, bubbling just beneath the surface, waiting to erupt, or likes ponies |
| 17:03.36 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 17:03.36 | ibot | i heard mgeary is awesome and unknowable... and somewhat intimidating |
| 17:03.44 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 17:04.14 | mgeary | psh. i'm as intimidating as a tulip |
| 17:06.25 | mindjuju | ~herlo |
| 17:06.26 | ibot | herlo is probably the best boardgamer ever, works for Guru Labs and generally reads good things his friends lend him |
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| 17:11.41 | josephscott | this would be disappointing if true - http://www.businessinsider.com/motorola-xoom-sales-2011-4?op=1 |
| 17:12.04 | mindjuju | k, now i'm hooked onto oakenfold's CLU from R3C0NF1GUR3D |
| 17:12.15 | mindjuju | i didn't like at first, but now i lieky |
| 17:16.57 | DexterTheDragon | josephscott: I want a xoom, I just don't want to pay $800 for one |
| 17:19.08 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: if you are willing to do a 2yr contract with Verizon you can get for $600 |
| 17:19.19 | DexterTheDragon | yeah no |
| 17:21.39 | josephscott | carmony: http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/04/06/upcoming-webinar-on-data-recovery-for-mysql/ ? |
| 17:23.28 | carmony | haha, awesome |
| 17:30.07 | synic | Maybe the asus transformer will sell better |
| 17:30.17 | synic | since it's much cheaper |
| 17:31.31 | josephscott | synic: is it available in the US yet? |
| 17:32.24 | synic | no |
| 17:32.58 | synic | I wonder how the Wifi Xoom is selling, since it's hundreds of dollars cheaper |
| 17:33.06 | josephscott | hard to tell if it will cheaper until someone can buy it :-( |
| 17:33.31 | synic | I heard rumor that it was going to be $399 for the 16GB model |
| 17:33.36 | synic | but another $150 for the dock |
| 17:34.44 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: there you go - http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorola+-+XOOM+Tablet+Wi-Fi+-+Dark+Titanium/1946197.p?id=1218305633252&skuId=1946197&st=%20Wifi%20Xoom&cp=1&lp=1 |
| 17:35.28 | fungus | The Xoom feels really wonky when held in portrait |
| 17:36.40 | fungus | It is the best tablet I have touched next to the iPad. |
| 17:39.44 | fungus | Whee. Getting much closer to getting my first 10gE switches. |
| 17:40.36 | josephscott | nice! |
| 17:49.50 | influx | How do I add to someone's karma/ |
| 17:49.51 | influx | ? |
| 17:50.01 | influx | I forget. |
| 17:50.11 | mindjuju | ~influx++ |
| 17:50.14 | mindjuju | like that |
| 17:50.43 | mgeary | wait, we're rewarding ignorance now?? |
| 17:50.48 | mgeary | ;) |
| 17:50.57 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 17:52.35 | influx | Hehehehe. |
| 17:52.55 | influx | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 17:53.02 | influx | ~influx-- |
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| 18:50.36 | mindjuju | fungus, you around? |
| 18:50.46 | fungus | yes |
| 18:51.38 | mindjuju | i'm curious as to why munin monitoring of apache stopped after i changed some settings in httpd.conf, i restarted munin-node, but doesn't seem to help |
| 18:51.57 | mindjuju | all of my other graphs are filling out |
| 18:51.59 | fungus | how does munin read data from apache? mod_status? |
| 18:52.41 | mindjuju | i'm not sure, i'm going to go find out |
| 18:54.10 | fungus | if it's mod_status, check that the module is loaded, enabled, and allows queries from localhost. |
| 18:57.09 | mindjuju | oh, i think i pooched it when I moved the location of where apache gives out the server status |
| 18:57.13 | mindjuju | thx fungus! |
| 18:57.17 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 18:58.55 | carmony | ok, I now have offsite backups that sync nightly |
| 18:59.11 | fungus | yay, grats |
| 18:59.32 | carmony | doing it on my main CP tower that is always on |
| 18:59.33 | carmony | \ |
| 18:59.36 | carmony | using cygwin |
| 18:59.58 | fungus | hehe, whatever works. |
| 19:00.10 | carmony | yeah |
| 19:01.14 | carmony | fungus: I got a question for ya |
| 19:01.23 | carmony | what is the easiest way to allow for a server to send email |
| 19:01.43 | carmony | w/o setting up a bunch of overhead on a non-email server |
| 19:01.59 | carmony | i.e. my backup script on my db server can email me on success and error |
| 19:02.01 | mgeary | carmony: apt-get install postfix |
| 19:02.14 | fungus | carmony, ^^ |
| 19:02.14 | mindjuju | what about sendmail ? |
| 19:02.19 | mgeary | mindjuju: what about it? |
| 19:02.25 | mgeary | sendmail is teh suck |
| 19:02.32 | mgeary | postfix is teh bombe |
| 19:02.52 | carmony | and postfix won't try to install some SMTP daemon and stuff? |
| 19:03.05 | fungus | yes it will |
| 19:03.06 | mindjuju | i think he wants to have like his cron email stuff |
| 19:03.08 | mgeary | it will, but it will only process mail from localhost |
| 19:03.08 | fungus | but that's fine |
| 19:03.11 | mgeary | by default |
| 19:03.13 | carmony | pl |
| 19:03.15 | carmony | ok |
| 19:03.21 | mgeary | it doesn't set up an open relay, if that's what you're asking |
| 19:03.32 | carmony | yeah |
| 19:03.48 | carmony | I don't want my server to be the proverbial man walking around without his pants, so to speak |
| 19:04.12 | fungus | postfix takes effort to make it an open relay |
| 19:04.19 | carmony | ok |
| 19:04.25 | fungus | but dead simple for a local mail relay |
| 19:04.25 | cro | on Debian and Ubuntu the standard dpkg configure will walk you through setting up Postfix the way you need. |
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| 19:06.09 | carmony | http://screencast.com/t/H67NsU81la |
| 19:06.29 | mgeary | yep. take that option |
| 19:06.40 | mgeary | at least, that's what i do |
| 19:11.57 | carmony | ok |
| 19:12.08 | carmony | so now that postfix is install, can I use the mail command? |
| 19:12.37 | mgeary | carmony: yep |
| 19:12.37 | mgeary | oh |
| 19:12.42 | mgeary | you might also need mailutils |
| 19:12.50 | mgeary | apt-get install mailutils, iirc |
| 19:13.00 | mgeary | (if you want to do it from the cli) |
| 19:13.03 | carmony | ~mgeary++ |
| 19:13.16 | mgeary | heh. give me karma after you know it works ;) |
| 19:17.57 | carmony | it worked |
| 19:18.20 | mgeary | cool |
| 19:24.18 | mgeary | hey fungus, i've got a slave DNS server that isn't picking up an update. What's the best way to debug that? |
| 19:24.47 | fungus | look in the logs of both the master and the slave |
| 19:25.29 | fungus | By default the master will send notifcations to all servers listed in the NS records for the zone, and any notify options in the config. |
| 19:25.37 | fungus | These notifications should be logged |
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| 19:28.48 | mgeary | what's the default log? I'm not finding /var/log/named* or /var/log/bind* |
| 19:30.48 | SunSparc | ~herlo |
| 19:30.48 | ibot | i guess herlo is the best boardgamer ever, works for Guru Labs and generally reads good things his friends lend him |
| 19:31.45 | mgeary | ibot: herlo is also a punk |
| 19:31.45 | ibot | ACTION pokes is with a sharp needle also a punk |
| 19:32.09 | mgeary | heh. i see you've (inadvertently?) done to your nick what i did |
| 19:32.18 | mgeary | ibot: mgeary is also wicked cool |
| 19:32.18 | ibot | go do something useful |
| 19:32.23 | mgeary | see? |
| 19:33.04 | herlo | mgeary: no |
| 19:33.06 | herlo | ~herlo |
| 19:33.06 | ibot | i heard herlo is the best boardgamer ever, works for Guru Labs and generally reads good things his friends lend him |
| 19:33.15 | mgeary | ~herlo fungus |
| 19:33.15 | ibot | ACTION pokes fungus in they eye with a sharp needle |
| 19:33.19 | mgeary | yes you did |
| 19:33.24 | herlo | mgeary: that's not a factoid |
| 19:33.25 | mgeary | you created an action version of your nick |
| 19:33.35 | mgeary | but it prevents the factoid from being changed |
| 19:33.39 | mgeary | though there's a way to do it |
| 19:33.53 | mgeary | ibot: no, herlo is totally cool |
| 19:33.53 | ibot | cannot alter locked factoids, mgeary |
| 19:34.01 | mgeary | aha |
| 19:34.02 | SunSparc | ibot, I also heard that herlo got himself a ball and chain |
| 19:34.02 | ibot | You also heard that herlo got himself a ball and chain? |
| 19:34.13 | SunSparc | Totally |
| 19:34.13 | herlo | SunSparc: nice! |
| 19:34.13 | mgeary | ibot: no, mgeary is full of beans |
| 19:34.13 | ibot | mgeary: okay |
| 19:34.20 | mgeary | ~mgeary |
| 19:34.20 | ibot | well, mgeary is full of beans |
| 19:34.35 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:34.36 | mgeary | but yeah, i don't know anything about unlocking a locked factoid |
| 19:35.35 | SunSparc | ibot: no, mgeary is a bratwurst mit zenf |
| 19:35.36 | ibot | SunSparc: okay |
| 19:35.47 | mgeary | "zenf"???? |
| 19:35.50 | herlo | ~forget mgeary |
| 19:35.50 | ibot | herlo: i forgot mgeary |
| 19:35.52 | SunSparc | ~mgeary |
| 19:36.02 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:36.03 | herlo | lol |
| 19:36.06 | fungus | mgeary, sorry, got pulled away. Try syslog, or messages |
| 19:36.14 | mgeary | fungus: found it |
| 19:36.15 | herlo | rsyslog is better |
| 19:36.32 | fungus | herlo, rsyslog is default in ubuntu |
| 19:36.39 | herlo | fungus: as it is in Fedora and RHEL6 |
| 19:37.31 | fungus | nice. |
| 19:37.47 | fungus | syslog-ng is pretty good too, but a radically different config |
| 19:40.54 | mgeary | so, fungus, i'm looking at the bind logs |
| 19:41.09 | herlo | rsyslog supports awesome filters though, so it's less about what syslog-ng isn't but more about what rsyslog is |
| 19:41.25 | mgeary | fungus: notify: info: rcvd NOTIFY(domain.com, IN, SOA) from [69.169.142.45].49158 |
| 19:41.27 | herlo | rsyslog to a database if you like |
| 19:41.40 | herlo | rsyslog over tcp |
| 19:41.46 | herlo | most syslogs use udp |
| 19:41.59 | fungus | mgeary, was that on the slave? |
| 19:42.05 | mgeary | fungus: yes |
| 19:42.35 | fungus | so it received the notify, that means if it didn't update, it ignored the update. usually due to serial number difference. |
| 19:42.44 | fungus | compare the serial numbers on both servers. |
| 19:43.25 | fungus | unless... it tried to update and failed. Check log after that for transfer status, if any. |
| 19:46.19 | mgeary | can't find any reference to transfer status |
| 19:46.57 | mgeary | looking at the slave zonefile |
| 19:47.10 | mgeary | serial # is very old |
| 19:47.34 | mgeary | but what i changed on the master was to give it a different zonefile |
| 19:47.59 | fungus | thats fine as long as it's serial number is larger than the slave |
| 19:48.09 | mgeary | many of our domains use the same DNS settings, so i have a generic zone file i use for them |
| 19:48.17 | fungus | good idea |
| 19:48.30 | mgeary | so i've switched this domain from a custom zonefile to the generic one |
| 19:48.54 | fungus | The serial number is a simple integer compare. if slave < master it updates. |
| 19:48.55 | mgeary | i do this a few times a month, and it usually works fine. This time it isn't going through |
| 19:49.14 | mgeary | but on the slave, it will create a replica of the generic zone file for each domain, right? |
| 19:50.47 | fungus | at the DNS level, including slave/master stuff, there is no idea of the file it's based on. |
| 19:50.58 | fungus | so the slave copies the whole zone. |
| 19:51.06 | mgeary | right |
| 19:51.23 | mgeary | ... so for some reason it's still copying over the custom zonefile rather than the generic one |
| 19:51.27 | fungus | Is the current slave serial number larger than the current master serial number |
| 19:51.50 | mgeary | no |
| 19:51.51 | fungus | It only transfers the zone when there is an update. |
| 19:52.05 | fungus | so it's just using an old one. |
| 19:52.08 | mgeary | right |
| 19:53.17 | mgeary | hrm. just found another domain where a change wasn't picked up |
| 19:53.18 | mgeary | :/ |
| 19:53.30 | mgeary | is there a way i can force the slave to update ALL domains? |
| 19:54.11 | fungus | on the slave run `rndc retransfer domain.com` |
| 19:54.21 | mgeary | the slave is using ndc, not rndc, fyi |
| 19:54.42 | fungus | um, not sure if that version supports retransfer |
| 19:54.49 | mindjuju | DtD! have you seen this! http://www.gamefront.com/half-life-2-mod-precursor/ |
| 19:54.54 | mindjuju | half life 2 mod |
| 19:54.58 | mindjuju | looks awesome |
| 19:55.00 | fungus | you could just delete the slave zone file, and restart the service. |
| 19:57.07 | mgeary | is that more than ndc reload? that didn't seem to do it |
| 19:57.44 | mgeary | doing ndc stop/ndc start didn't recreate the zone file either :/ |
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| 19:58.09 | fungus | check logs to determine the status of the transfer |
| 19:58.48 | fungus | test the transfer on the slave `dig axfr domain.com @master` |
| 19:59.20 | mgeary | fungus: i do get this: http://dpaste.org/4Z0I/ |
| 20:00.04 | mgeary | ; Bad server: master -- using default server and timer opts |
| 20:00.16 | mgeary | :/ |
| 20:00.17 | fungus | that is root server stuff related to recursive queries. |
| 20:00.30 | mgeary | ok |
| 20:00.37 | mgeary | what about this bad server: master message? |
| 20:01.31 | mgeary | oho |
| 20:01.57 | SunSparc | Half Life ++ |
| 20:02.18 | mgeary | so the slave zone file has an outdated master ip in the comments at the head. However, the correct master IP is in the /etc/named.conf file :| |
| 20:03.08 | fungus | so, just delete the slave zone file, and restart bind. that will force it to transfer the zone. |
| 20:03.16 | fungus | did your dig test work? |
| 20:03.29 | mgeary | well, how do i do that? I tried ndc stop, and it seemed to do something, but didn't re-create a test zone file |
| 20:03.55 | mgeary | no, the dig test did this: http://dpaste.org/SsHv/ |
| 20:04.04 | fungus | lol |
| 20:04.10 | mgeary | oh |
| 20:04.13 | mgeary | should i have put the master IP? |
| 20:04.16 | fungus | yeah. |
| 20:04.16 | mgeary | i mean domain? |
| 20:04.19 | fungus | hehe |
| 20:04.19 | mgeary | well |
| 20:04.24 | mgeary | sheesh |
| 20:04.41 | mgeary | oho |
| 20:04.43 | mgeary | connection refused |
| 20:04.48 | fungus | see |
| 20:04.58 | fungus | Go fix your master to allow transfers to your slaves |
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| 20:07.25 | mgeary | be nice if something in the logs would have mentioned that |
| 20:07.48 | fungus | Yeah, maybe it's an old version of bind that doesn't mention it. |
| 20:10.16 | mgeary | hrm |
| 20:25.26 | mgeary | ~fungus++ |
| 20:25.38 | mgeary | got it solved. My server's bind config had somehow gotten allow-transfer set to none |
| 20:26.13 | mindjuju | ~karma fungus |
| 20:26.13 | ibot | fungus has karma of 63 |
| 20:26.20 | mindjuju | wow, that's up there |
| 20:26.27 | mindjuju | ~karma IE |
| 20:26.27 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 20:26.31 | mindjuju | wow |
| 20:26.57 | herlo | mindjuju: don't mess with it :) |
| 20:28.55 | mgeary | mess with Texas instead |
| 20:29.01 | mindjuju | hey! |
| 20:29.27 | mindjuju | there will be weeping, wailing and the gnashing of teeth if you mess with Texas |
| 20:29.41 | mgeary | you know what i think? The way Americans are to America, as opposed to everyone else in the world and their own countries, that's how Texans are to Texas, as opposed to everyone else in America |
| 20:29.53 | mgeary | did that make any sense at all? |
| 20:30.37 | mindjuju | i think i know what you meant, but i'm not sure |
| 20:30.40 | mgeary | if you as a Dutch person if he's proud to be Dutch, he'll look at you like you're crazy. He'll tell you he's proud of the things that he's done, that he has control over. |
| 20:32.18 | mgeary | i was just watching this National Geographic video about some Sudanese people who came to American and had complete culture shock. One part showed them at a community swimming pool, and a well-meaning woman came up and said, "do you like it here? Do you find you have a lot more freedoms here?" |
| 20:32.36 | herlo | mgeary: may I suggest puppet (or some sort of cm tool) for keeping your named.conf consistent? |
| 20:33.18 | mgeary | i think you'd be hard-pressed to create a list of "freedoms" Americans have that most other industrialized countries don't have |
| 20:33.22 | mgeary | </rant> |
| 20:33.33 | mindjuju | surely, you're kidding |
| 20:33.57 | mindjuju | having lived in mexico for some time, and china also, i can make such a list |
| 20:33.58 | mgeary | granted, Sudan isn't what i'd call industrialized, but i think many Americans have a distorted view of what freedom is |
| 20:34.01 | mindjuju | without much effort |
| 20:34.13 | mgeary | herlo: you've been here HOW long??? |
| 20:34.24 | mindjuju | not only that, but HE started it |
| 20:34.30 | herlo | mgeary: just doing my part to avoid political discussion. That's what #utah is for |
| 20:34.37 | influx | mgeary: You're saying that America is to America as Texas is to Texas. |
| 20:34.49 | influx | aaaand there goes my 0.02 |
| 20:34.51 | mindjuju | but you're right, i do have to role play a server upgrade |
| 20:34.52 | herlo | mindjuju: I started it? |
| 20:35.00 | mindjuju | no, i was pointing to mgeary |
| 20:35.02 | mindjuju | he started it |
| 20:35.03 | herlo | oh, okay |
| 20:35.06 | herlo | whew! |
| 20:35.16 | mindjuju | but i'm saying herlo is right, i REALLY should start doing my server mock up |
| 20:35.22 | mgeary | well, i think i did see herlo messing with Texas back there |
| 20:35.23 | herlo | mindjuju: get going :) |
| 20:35.36 | herlo | mgeary: nope, I was telling you not to mess with IE |
| 20:35.39 | herlo | er mindjuju |
| 20:36.44 | mgeary | and, mindjuju, China might certainly be an exception, but i'd be interested in seeing your list from Mexico. |
| 20:37.17 | mgeary | and maybe rather than saying, "most industrialized countries", i should say G20 countries |
| 20:37.26 | mgeary | anyways |
| 20:38.31 | mindjuju | @mgeary, you and i have to sit to lunch one day and get this hammered out, cause i'm interested to see what you're thinking |
| 20:38.42 | mgeary | totally |
| 20:42.09 | fungus | mgeary, I agree that nationalism is a lot more extreme in America versus most other countries. |
| 20:42.38 | unum | jingoism |
| 20:43.01 | unum | there's a difference between thinking your country is great and thinking all other countries are evil |
| 20:43.10 | mgeary | ...or inferior |
| 20:43.15 | unum | ya |
| 20:43.19 | unum | that's probably a better word |
| 20:43.40 | unum | but in the US you are considered unpatriotic if you don't think other countries are inferior |
| 20:44.00 | unum | though militarily speaking, other countries are inferior |
| 20:44.02 | fungus | That really bugs me. |
| 21:06.01 | redroy | Looking for a little mod_rewrite helpâ¦. can I check to see if %{REQUEST_URI} is empty? |
| 21:10.02 | redroy | so basically I'm trying to write a domain proxy that will load a different page |
| 21:10.17 | redroy | but I want to keep direct files (like css etc) |
| 21:10.39 | redroy | http://pastebin.com/RVcjrniY |
| 21:10.58 | redroy | I was thinking on line two if I could check that URI is blank I'd be set |
| 21:24.47 | mgeary | ~seen __psychic__ |
| 21:25.00 | ibot | mgeary: i haven't seen '__psychic__' |
| 21:25.00 | mgeary | SunSparc: ping |
| 21:25.11 | DexterTheDragon | ~seen _psychic_ |
| 21:25.12 | ibot | _psychic_ <~johnander@64.0.193.15> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 21d 19m 44s ago, saying: 'yeah. Old php at that.'. |
| 21:25.29 | mgeary | whither our buddy _psychic_ ? |
| 21:26.00 | SunSparc | ~pong mgeary |
| 21:26.00 | ibot | mgeary: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:26.06 | mgeary | SunSparc: pm |
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| 22:15.58 | mindjuju | anybody looking for a jr. sys admin, let me know |
| 22:16.09 | mindjuju | in the UC |
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| 22:31.44 | mgeary | did you find one wandering around your office? |
| 22:33.31 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:33.33 | mindjuju | funny |
| 22:34.22 | DexterTheDragon | it's a rescue |
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| 22:38.13 | mindjuju | so herlo |
| 22:38.17 | mindjuju | what do you think about monit |
| 22:38.31 | herlo | mindjuju: never used it |
| 22:39.32 | mindjuju | would you ever put a service in charge of restarting a service if the service failed? |
| 22:39.41 | herlo | uh |
| 22:39.46 | herlo | that's nagios' job imo |
| 22:39.49 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: we use monit |
| 22:39.53 | herlo | or at least you can have nagios do it |
| 22:40.11 | mindjuju | nagios can restart, like httpd if it stops responding? |
| 22:40.18 | mindjuju | DtD, do you like it? |
| 22:40.30 | DexterTheDragon | yeah I would think those two have a fair bit of overlap |
| 22:41.01 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: it's ok. just monitors servers. has a nice config file syntax |
| 22:42.16 | mindjuju | i love the idea of munin piping info to monit and monit restarting apache if httpd fail |
| 22:42.23 | mindjuju | but i'm afraid it builds a blindspot too |
| 22:42.45 | cro | mindjuju: what kind of blind spot? |
| 22:43.16 | mindjuju | httpd failure, why? |
| 22:43.33 | mindjuju | wouldn't it be better to fix it than to just restart it? |
| 22:43.57 | cro | What if it bails out for some reason at 2 AM on a weekend? Do you want it to stay dead? |
| 22:44.10 | cro | Or can it limp along restarting itself until you come in on Monday morning? |
| 22:44.37 | mindjuju | hmm, i do have nagios pounding at me all day |
| 22:44.47 | mindjuju | would be nice to take the critical off of it |
| 22:46.07 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: monit will send an email saying the service died |
| 22:46.17 | DexterTheDragon | then try to restart it |
| 22:47.02 | DexterTheDragon | if it fails say 5 time in one minute it will assume the process is broken and not continue to attempt to restart it |
| 22:47.04 | cro | mindjuju: I don't know anything about monit, but other monitoring software also has "flap protection" where if a service is bouncing up and down it will stop notifying you until you manually fix things. |
| 22:51.08 | herlo | cro: like nagios does |
| 22:51.21 | cro | right |
| 22:52.09 | herlo | I think it's a bitch of a program |
| 22:57.33 | SunSparc | nagios community is huge |
| 23:00.57 | mindjuju | i'm starting up a new nagios sunsparc, from scratch it isn't so bad |
| 23:01.06 | mindjuju | but the system we had in place before, it was a nightmare |
| 23:01.21 | SunSparc | mindjuju: that is good to know |
| 23:01.27 | mindjuju | don't expect pretty either |
| 23:01.36 | SunSparc | I don't :) |
| 23:02.57 | SunSparc | On a different topic, I have been looking for some good team collaboration software (preferrably free) with an emphasis on group discussion areas (like forums) that are private and allow attachments. |
| 23:04.05 | mindjuju | redmine offers those features, i'm not 100% the forums are private, but i think they are |
| 23:04.17 | mindjuju | the only thing that stinks about redmine is setting it up |
| 23:11.20 | mindjuju | if you hate it, blame DtD, eh's the one that told me about it |
| 23:11.31 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:11.49 | SunSparc | I will do it anyway, just for fun... |
| 23:11.50 | SunSparc | ~blame DtD |
| 23:11.50 | ibot | ACTION blames DtD (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 23:24.00 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: should give wordpress with P2 theme a look too |
| 23:25.46 | DexterTheDragon | ~seen beandog |
| 23:25.52 | ibot | beandog <~sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 2d 2h 23m 9s ago, saying: 'mgeary: iirc'. |
| 23:28.52 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: that is a pretty cool idea for a theme |
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