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| 15:44.47 | josephscott | $rlart |
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| 15:45.36 | josephscott | that was one ugly split |
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| 15:48.18 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 15:48.19 | raifbot | declares undertakingyou a moron. |
| 15:51.51 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 15:52.08 | macnewbold | $chuck-fact |
| 15:52.09 | raifbot | In fine print on the last page of the Guinness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Chuck Norris, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone else has ever gotten. |
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| 15:58.40 | josephscott | useless trivia for your day - http://josephscott.org/archives/2011/04/the-monty-hall-problem/ |
| 15:59.44 | macnewbold | useless? hah! i use that all the time |
| 16:03.18 | josephscott | macnewbold: sorry, hit reply to all instead of just replying to you :-( |
| 16:03.28 | josephscott | let my public shaming begin |
| 16:06.13 | macnewbold | haha |
| 16:06.15 | macnewbold | no worries |
| 16:06.27 | macnewbold | you're allowed to set an example / influence people |
| 16:06.44 | macnewbold | hm, i wonder |
| 16:06.49 | macnewbold | $lart josephscott |
| 16:07.20 | macnewbold | as i suspected, it appears there's a special case that prevents raifbot from larting joseph |
| 16:07.21 | josephscott | I hit 'a' for nearly every reply in gmail |
| 16:07.28 | josephscott | haha! |
| 16:07.38 | josephscott | $lart macnewbold |
| 16:07.46 | raifbot | teaches josephscott that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 16:07.54 | josephscott | I think that freenode got really slow :-) |
| 16:07.55 | raifbot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at macnewbold . |
| 16:08.02 | macnewbold | wow, no kidding |
| 16:08.14 | macnewbold | for a second it looked like raifbot larted you when you told it to lart me |
| 16:08.18 | macnewbold | now that would be a cool feature |
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| 16:33.00 | mgeary | romanovic: ping |
| 16:33.16 | romanovic | mgeary: hola |
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| 16:52.23 | SunSparc | ~April |
| 16:52.23 | ibot | [april] Agent Process Interaction Language. URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/networkagent/ |
| 16:52.35 | SunSparc | Interesting |
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| 17:16.44 | mindjuju | so josephscott, how do we get you new chuck facts? |
| 17:17.20 | josephscott | mindjuju: send them my way, I'll add them |
| 17:17.58 | herlo | josephscott: you should add a form on your site, then just approve them so they'll drop into raifbot's db |
| 17:18.02 | herlo | :) |
| 17:18.13 | mindjuju | Chuck Norris does simply walk into Mordor |
| 17:18.19 | mindjuju | @josephscott^^ |
| 17:18.38 | herlo | lol |
| 17:19.26 | josephscott | one of these days :-) |
| 17:19.50 | josephscott | added |
| 17:22.07 | redroy | nice |
| 17:24.55 | SunSparc | mindjuju: good one |
| 17:26.21 | josephscott | there is probably a long list of lord of the rings / chuck norris references that we could do |
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| 17:37.44 | eggyknap | .oO("Chuck Norris needs no king!") ... nah, doesn't work. |
| 17:37.55 | carmony | wow, the people at Percona are really nice |
| 17:40.17 | mindjuju | carmony, did you get the server back up? |
| 17:40.27 | carmony | yeah |
| 17:40.31 | carmony | zero data loss |
| 17:40.35 | carmony | minor miracle |
| 17:40.54 | carmony | That is the last time I go that long w/o checking the validity of our backups |
| 17:42.32 | mindjuju | so did anybody get any emails on epsilon interactive? |
| 17:42.38 | mindjuju | i got about 50 company wide |
| 17:42.49 | mindjuju | had to write up a big ole email explaining what it meant |
| 17:43.27 | carmony | epsilon interactive? |
| 17:43.48 | mindjuju | a service similar to constant contact i guess |
| 17:43.54 | mindjuju | got hacked, data leak |
| 17:44.09 | mindjuju | email addy / names exposed |
| 17:44.20 | mindjuju | they haven't really said much more, so don't know if that is it |
| 17:44.46 | josephscott | carmony: mysql take a dive? |
| 17:44.51 | josephscott | or was it a whole server? |
| 17:44.57 | carmony | whole server |
| 17:45.08 | carmony | HDD failure |
| 17:45.16 | carmony | backup scripts were failing for months |
| 17:45.22 | carmony | ouch |
| 17:46.39 | josephscott | bummer |
| 17:47.05 | josephscott | maybe script an automated restore as well? |
| 17:49.05 | carmony | yeah, I think that is what I'm going to do |
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| 18:11.13 | fungus | carmony, besides a working local backup, and an offsite backup. Probably even more important, is a RAID. |
| 18:11.26 | carmony | yeah |
| 18:11.41 | carmony | we're moving our DB Server to something more... fault tolerant |
| 18:11.43 | fungus | Even a software RAID1 would save you from that. |
| 18:11.46 | carmony | going to adda DB slave |
| 18:12.25 | herlo | fungus: have you tried out RAID6 yet? I like it a lot, it gives the performance that RAID5 couldn't |
| 18:12.41 | herlo | a RAID60 would be more efficient than a RAID10 :) |
| 18:12.46 | herlo | maybe... |
| 18:13.23 | fungus | No, i haven't. Might be interesting, but most of my storage is local RAID1 on hosts, and RAID-DP in my SAN |
| 18:13.32 | herlo | depending on how you evaluate things. If you factor in $$ and recovery then RAID60 might be good... |
| 18:13.42 | herlo | if it's just performance, RAID10 could be better |
| 18:15.29 | fungus | Really? interesting. I haven't read that much on raid6 yet. Been living in proprietary raid too long (RAID-DP, RAIDZ2) |
| 18:15.39 | herlo | ahh |
| 18:16.03 | herlo | fungus: RAID6 is RAID5 but pre-built recovery |
| 18:16.26 | herlo | so writes are still a little slower, but recovery times that were horrendous with RAID5 virtually disappear |
| 18:18.22 | fungus | I read an article somewhere that talked about the relation of size of the drives in an array and the required number of parity disks. |
| 18:18.52 | herlo | fungus: with RAID6, it really never increases past +2 |
| 18:19.02 | herlo | where RAID5 would have been +1 |
| 18:19.45 | herlo | so for a 2TB RAID6, you'd have 4 drives, but for 3TB it would just be 5 |
| 18:20.06 | herlo | increases mostly linearly. I would suspect there's a point were another would make things more efficient... |
| 18:20.24 | fungus | Right but that article explained that with todays large drives dual parity becomes even more important to prevent dataloss. |
| 18:20.28 | herlo | but I've never read up on it... |
| 18:20.30 | fungus | I'm trying to find it again. |
| 18:20.37 | herlo | that would be interesting, for sure |
| 18:22.11 | fungus | RAID-DP is Netapp, essentially the same as RAID6. RAIDZ2 is a ZFS implementation of dual parity as well. |
| 18:22.29 | herlo | fungus: yeah, I heard Netapp did something similar to RAID6 |
| 18:22.46 | fungus | Yeah, they've been doing the RAID-DP for years and years. |
| 18:22.52 | herlo | fungus: good to know. I don't think I'll have too much trouble figuring those out if I ever have to do so. |
| 18:23.13 | fungus | nope, pretty easy choice if you are using Netapp or ZFA |
| 18:23.18 | fungus | *ZFS |
| 18:31.43 | fungus | herlo, http://wikibon.org/wiki/v/RAID_6_Fundamentals_and_Applications |
| 18:31.47 | fungus | http://dtrace.org/blogs/ahl/2009/07/21/triple-parity-raid-z/ |
| 18:32.19 | fungus | They kinda explain the theory behind the MTBF and stuff about possible need for triple parity someday |
| 18:32.31 | herlo | fungus: thx |
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| 19:20.47 | mindjuju | ~seen beandog |
| 19:21.00 | ibot | beandog <~sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 2d 14h 34m 24s ago, saying: 'good luck carmony '. |
| 19:41.33 | mindjuju | goo goo g'joob DtD |
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| 19:47.45 | DexterTheDragon | uhhh... Gu kibum kelkum-ishi, mindjuju |
| 19:49.12 | mindjuju | No life in coldness, in darkness. Here in void, only death. |
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| 19:51.39 | mindjuju | goo goo g'joob beandog |
| 19:51.42 | beandog | mo'nin |
| 19:51.54 | beandog | does anyone use s3 or any other cloud storage for work |
| 19:51.56 | beandog | hey mindjuju |
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| 19:54.39 | beandog | I'm wondering if I should encrypt my stuff before I upload it. |
| 20:00.16 | mindjuju | so beandog, is there an easy way to convert a directory in handbrake |
| 20:00.26 | mindjuju | if i want same setting to apply to everything? |
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| 20:02.31 | fungus | mindjuju, use the cli to script it |
| 20:04.51 | beandog | mindjuju: find . -type f ! -name '*.mkv' -print0 | xargs -0 -I {} handbrake -i '{}' -z Normal -o '{}'.mkv |
| 20:04.52 | beandog | or something. |
| 20:05.20 | mindjuju | k, i'll wrk on it |
| 20:20.22 | josephscott | sometimes I really wonder if vacation days are worth it |
| 20:21.04 | mindjuju | depends on where you go |
| 20:21.54 | josephscott | it is the coming back that is a pain |
| 20:22.19 | josephscott | I only took two days off last week and I've spent all day trying to catch up |
| 20:22.21 | josephscott | still not there |
| 20:22.29 | mindjuju | ah |
| 20:22.36 | mindjuju | i found a shortcut around that |
| 20:23.31 | mindjuju | when we go on vacation, we hide out in park city, i usually do stuff for 1 or 2 hours in the morning (or what ever time works) and the rest of the day, you relax |
| 20:23.38 | mindjuju | and when you get back, you're not scrambling |
| 20:24.08 | josephscott | unfortunately I took vacation time because I was totally tied up for those two days |
| 20:24.22 | josephscott | so that doesn't leave time for an extra few hours each day |
| 20:24.31 | fungus | before you leave, assign responsibility to a PFY |
| 20:24.33 | mindjuju | ah |
| 20:24.42 | mindjuju | doesn't sound like much of a vacation |
| 20:24.55 | herlo | PFY? |
| 20:25.09 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell |
| 20:25.23 | beandog | ~bofh fungus |
| 20:25.23 | fungus | eg. assistant |
| 20:25.58 | fungus | Then you have cover when things go awry. |
| 20:26.09 | beandog | The idea is to take just enough time off that they realize they need you, but not so much that they realize they don't. |
| 20:26.11 | fungus | or at least a scapegoat |
| 20:26.51 | josephscott | maybe I could get raifbot to reply to everything for me |
| 20:27.06 | beandog | or 8ball |
| 20:27.33 | beandog | $8ball can we integrate this unknown software into our environment in three days without any problems |
| 20:27.49 | raifbot | beandog - My sources say no. |
| 20:27.53 | beandog | see? |
| 20:28.15 | beandog | I still have my stackable dice. We use those all the time |
| 20:29.31 | fungus | Scratch out the small units and make up bigger ones |
| 20:29.32 | fungus | Years, decades, centuries |
| 20:30.17 | josephscott | next time I go on vacation, send all email to the 8ball |
| 20:30.29 | beandog | Just send it to /dev/null |
| 20:30.35 | beandog | If its important, they'll poke you about it again |
| 20:30.55 | fungus | yikes, but the 8ball might agree to something really heinous |
| 20:31.29 | josephscott | haha |
| 20:31.56 | mindjuju | oh beandog |
| 20:32.03 | mindjuju | i got roksbox to work |
| 20:32.06 | beandog | mindjuju: sup |
| 20:32.07 | mindjuju | it goot |
| 20:32.09 | beandog | oh yah? how is it |
| 20:32.20 | mindjuju | not as nice as xbmc |
| 20:32.47 | influx | $8ball Self-flagellate due to forgetfulness? |
| 20:32.47 | mindjuju | overall, i'm happy |
| 20:33.02 | beandog | mindjuju: right on. can I come over and check it out? |
| 20:33.07 | influx | raifbot: :( |
| 20:33.11 | mindjuju | sure |
| 20:33.14 | beandog | sweet |
| 20:33.16 | mindjuju | come over on Saturday |
| 20:33.19 | mindjuju | or Thursday |
| 20:33.23 | mindjuju | wheich ever day works |
| 20:33.31 | beandog | mindjuju: oh wait, no school this weekend |
| 20:33.51 | mindjuju | btw, Tiff (my wife) says that she waves to you in the hall, but both times you looked confused |
| 20:33.53 | raifbot | influx - Yes - definitely. |
| 20:33.57 | mindjuju | so, just so you know, that's her |
| 20:34.05 | mindjuju | that was on Saturday |
| 20:34.07 | beandog | mindjuju: any girl giving me attention always throws me for a loop |
| 20:34.40 | beandog | mindjuju: I kept trying to rmemeber her name and forgot |
| 20:34.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:35.50 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: its Mrs. mindjuju |
| 20:35.58 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: dude, that totally works |
| 20:36.45 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:37.02 | mindjuju | though i think Lady Mindjuju works better |
| 20:37.17 | mindjuju | like Lady Vader from those timothy zahn books |
| 20:37.23 | mindjuju | has a certain ring to it |
| 20:37.47 | beandog | so does menangitis. |
| 20:38.06 | mindjuju | do you have meningitis ? |
| 20:38.17 | beandog | last I checked, no |
| 20:38.29 | beandog | I have a bad case of hypochondria though. I should stay home. |
| 20:38.36 | mindjuju | well thank goodness for th elittle things |
| 20:38.59 | mgeary | so, folks, we had an interesting situation a couple of weeks ago where an upstream provider of a colo host was taken down by a DDoS. Took one of our clients completely out of commission for several hours. I'm making some notes about ways this could be avoided in the future. I believe the lowest-hanging fruit for many clients would be to get redundant instances of their web sites/apps set up with, for example, Rackspace. |
| 20:39.37 | beandog | or host it on tumblr. They are reliable. |
| 20:39.38 | macnewbold | yes, that or get a provider that is more resilient in the face of ddos attacks |
| 20:39.44 | mgeary | My thinking is to set up small, per-client RS instances at the cheapest level, and set them up as mirrors/replicas of the live sites. |
| 20:39.56 | beandog | mgeary: how are you gonna handle the DB? |
| 20:40.05 | unum | does rackspace do virtual hosting? |
| 20:40.08 | mgeary | my question for you is, what should i propose for clients already at Rackspace |
| 20:40.15 | mgeary | unum: virtual servers, yeah |
| 20:40.22 | unum | linode!! |
| 20:40.34 | fungus | replication? |
| 20:40.36 | mgeary | beandog: either mysql replication, or, more likely, just nightly snapshots rsync'd over |
| 20:40.37 | unum | ya virtual servers that's what I meant, virtual hosting sucks |
| 20:40.53 | josephscott | DDoS can be a real pain |
| 20:40.54 | beandog | mgeary: so if its a nightly snapshot, what is the secondary site gonna do if it kicks in as the primary host? |
| 20:40.57 | beandog | mgeary: be read only? |
| 20:41.04 | beandog | mgeary: or are you gonna do master-master replication |
| 20:41.09 | josephscott | having separate host in a different DC and state can help |
| 20:41.22 | unum | you could do master slave and manually kick things over |
| 20:42.01 | beandog | unum: that'd be a pain though, if you have spotty uptimes |
| 20:42.11 | beandog | like if it goes up then down then up again |
| 20:42.29 | josephscott | spin up an EC2 instance |
| 20:42.40 | beandog | thats what I was thinking |
| 20:42.42 | unum | beandog: ya, but that doesn't seem to have been their problem |
| 20:42.51 | beandog | unum: yah |
| 20:42.53 | beandog | but still |
| 20:42.55 | unum | just leave it on the back up until you are certain the primary is stable |
| 20:43.00 | unum | because master master is nasty |
| 20:43.03 | beandog | the whole idea of secondary sites are great ... until you consider keeping databases in sync. |
| 20:43.10 | unum | ya |
| 20:43.25 | beandog | then its like, how much downtime is actually reasonable. |
| 20:43.41 | josephscott | it adds complexity to be sure, like most tech it is about trade offs |
| 20:43.48 | beandog | can you live with partial service (web only) for a limited time, to save face |
| 20:43.50 | beandog | etc, etc. |
| 20:43.58 | josephscott | if you determine you want/need to the additional protection then you come up with ways to make it happen |
| 20:44.06 | beandog | josephscott: pretty much. |
| 20:44.09 | beandog | that gets $$$ |
| 20:44.38 | josephscott | it can |
| 20:44.58 | josephscott | I was suggesting EC2 because you could potentially just spin up a server only when you need it |
| 20:44.58 | beandog | people who want really super-happy-always-uptime are really gonna pay for it |
| 20:45.31 | beandog | ultimately though its the db you dont want going down |
| 20:45.41 | beandog | so ideally in the first place youd have them on completely separate hosts / providers |
| 20:45.50 | josephscott | there is a range of options, each with different trade offs and costs |
| 20:46.22 | mgeary | sorry, back now |
| 20:46.42 | mindjuju | our backup server is identical to our primary, just seeded with a significantly higher number (+1000000) |
| 20:47.16 | mgeary | in the event of a DDoS event that suggests a multi-hour downtime, we would actually load up the latest DB manually on the backup site, change the DNS, and bring up the new site |
| 20:47.28 | mgeary | i'm not proposing any fully-automated failover solutions right now |
| 20:47.42 | josephscott | beandog: sometimes, you might also be ok with going read only for those cases |
| 20:47.50 | beandog | josephscott: yah |
| 20:47.54 | mgeary | for most of our clients, that's sufficient, for the ones where it's not, there's already a failover in place |
| 20:48.03 | beandog | josephscott: my preference is acceptable downtime |
| 20:48.03 | beandog | it's okay if you go off for a few hours |
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| 20:48.27 | beandog | mostly b/c its not worth the hassle / costs of setting up alternates |
| 20:48.32 | beandog | that are automated. |
| 20:48.45 | mgeary | right, for many clients, that's been my experience |
| 20:49.17 | mgeary | so, as for alternatives to Rackspace... i'm considering Amazon, but, frankly, i'm not super crazy about EC2 |
| 20:49.18 | josephscott | so you write a script that spins up a new server somewhere, pulls in the DB back up and changes DNS |
| 20:49.35 | mgeary | josephscott: yes, though it might end up being more manual than that, at least initially |
| 20:49.50 | josephscott | then if you want to you can have a separate script/service watch for uptime and have it fire off the script if the site is down for longer than X (or email/page someone) |
| 20:49.58 | beandog | mgeary: whats your take on ec2? |
| 20:50.32 | mgeary | beandog: i've had a couple reset/whatever on me, and it was something of a pain |
| 20:50.48 | beandog | mgeary: really? ew. For rackspace, are you talking about cloud hosting? |
| 20:50.51 | beandog | er |
| 20:50.54 | beandog | whatever they call it. |
| 20:50.54 | mgeary | beandog: they're also more complicated to manage, imo, than RS |
| 20:50.57 | beandog | virtual something or other. |
| 20:50.59 | mgeary | cloud servers |
| 20:51.06 | beandog | yah? mind if I pm? |
| 20:51.10 | mgeary | course not |
| 20:51.36 | josephscott | mgeary: if you are looking for non-RS solutions then they will likely be different ;-) |
| 20:51.41 | mgeary | true, that |
| 20:52.12 | mgeary | anyways, i've used RightScale as an interface for Amazon stuff, and found it to be simply awful. I know Amazon has been adding a lot of derivative products/services. Maybe it's time to check them out again and go direct, not through RightScale |
| 20:52.13 | beandog | I have an extra P3 you can host on. |
| 20:52.45 | macnewbold | i first read that as an extra PS3 he could host on... |
| 20:52.52 | mgeary | heh |
| 20:52.53 | beandog | heh |
| 20:53.07 | beandog | I'll be playing Dragon's Lair at the same time, but it shouldnt affect you too much |
| 20:53.09 | mgeary | i've heard people talk about linode. What can you tell me about it? |
| 20:53.21 | beandog | I'm running a few Linodes. |
| 20:53.22 | beandog | It's nice. |
| 20:53.26 | beandog | really good interfaces. |
| 20:53.34 | beandog | Not so Gentoo-friendly, imo. |
| 20:54.03 | mgeary | including Ubuntu? |
| 20:54.18 | beandog | mgeary: they have packaged installs already to go, including Ubuntu Im sure |
| 20:54.26 | beandog | *images |
| 20:54.43 | mgeary | i have an Ubuntu configure script that i can just run on a vanilla install, so that's fine |
| 20:54.56 | beandog | yah? whats it do |
| 20:55.14 | mgeary | mostly just install a bunch of standard LAMP stuff |
| 20:55.21 | mgeary | tweak a few config files |
| 20:55.22 | beandog | right on. |
| 20:55.33 | beandog | Do you guys tweak your Apache configs at all |
| 20:56.05 | josephscott | I just use the AWS web console for simple one of management |
| 20:56.23 | fungus | beandog, um, yeah. of course. |
| 20:56.39 | beandog | fungus: like w hat |
| 20:57.08 | josephscott | s/one of/one off/ |
| 20:57.10 | fungus | vhosts, dir security, modules, etc |
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| 20:58.42 | mgeary | hrm. i don't like that Linode doesn't offer Ubuntu 9. I really hate PHP5.3 |
| 20:58.50 | mgeary | oh, there it is. they do |
| 20:58.51 | beandog | whats wrong with 5.3 |
| 20:59.02 | unum | and you can always upgrade once you get the base installed |
| 20:59.22 | unum | I've been really happy with linode |
| 20:59.23 | mgeary | beandog: it breaks existing code |
| 20:59.48 | mgeary | noooooooooooo |
| 20:59.48 | unum | in the 3 years I've been with them they have had a couple of scheduled maintance outages |
| 20:59.48 | unum | well atleast one |
| 21:00.00 | unum | other than that I don't think I've had any problems |
| 21:00.15 | unum | and that wasn't really a problem for me |
| 21:00.22 | mgeary | unum: how does their pricing work? can you scale your VM up/down on-demand? |
| 21:00.25 | unum | I wish I had started using them sooner is my biggest problem |
| 21:00.45 | unum | I believe so I've never had to |
| 21:00.48 | unum | let me look |
| 21:00.48 | beandog | mgeary: huh, Ive never had upgrade issues. |
| 21:01.19 | beandog | mgeary: you can change your plan, but it means taking your box down |
| 21:01.26 | beandog | mgeary: if youre upgrading ram, space, etc. |
| 21:02.04 | mgeary | beandog: for how long? with RS, it's just a matter of a minute or less |
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| 21:02.20 | beandog | mgeary: well, yah, its short |
| 21:02.43 | beandog | mgeary: iirc |
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| 21:14.08 | mgeary | so, linode has a smallest slice of $20/month. given that this machine would essentially be idling until a problem hit, the $10/month from Rackspace seems more appealing |
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| 21:14.28 | unum | ya |
| 21:14.53 | unum | I've never worked with rackspace... |
| 21:15.09 | unum | I've been very happy with linode, but I don't use much of my slice |
| 21:15.39 | josephscott | mgeary: or zero and wait to spin up an instance until you need one |
| 21:16.00 | mgeary | josephscott: yes, but then we'd need to store code/database updates somewhere else |
| 21:16.20 | mgeary | which is an option, but does lengthen restore time |
| 21:16.33 | mgeary | what's the least you can pay for an EC2 instance, anyone know? |
| 21:16.40 | josephscott | S3 or some storage item would be pretty cheap |
| 21:16.46 | josephscott | mgeary: free |
| 21:17.17 | josephscott | for a year at any rate |
| 21:18.38 | josephscott | if you do a small ec2 instance and pay in advance I think you can get it under $30/mo (averaged out) |
| 21:18.51 | mgeary | so more than linode |
| 21:19.17 | josephscott | not sure what the micro instance ends up at |
| 21:19.37 | josephscott | mgeary: possibly, haven't compared what you get from the two to tell how far apart they are |
| 21:21.08 | josephscott | mgeary: looks like a micro instance is under $15/mo |
| 21:21.09 | josephscott | http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html |
| 21:21.39 | josephscott | but then you pay per BW used |
| 21:22.27 | fungus | mgeary, the benefit of ec2 is that you leave the server off so you don't have to pay for it. Then spin it up when you need it. |
| 21:22.35 | mgeary | true |
| 21:23.08 | mgeary | but again, the (latest) code and data need to be pulled from somewhere. S3 is obviously an option there |
| 21:23.17 | josephscott | wow, micro when paid in advance can come down to $5.12/mo plus BW and friends |
| 21:23.25 | fungus | exactly |
| 21:23.52 | herlo | which I don't even have to pay :) |
| 21:27.52 | fungus | mgeary, yeah that too, you get a free year of a micro instance to play with. |
| 21:30.19 | josephscott | I may spin up a few micro instances once my paid in advance comes up for the small instance |
| 21:30.45 | josephscott | that 613MB of RAM is a bit tight to put everything on |
| 21:33.26 | mgeary | hrm. the choices of community AMIs is somewhat overwhelming |
| 21:34.27 | mgeary | i just want a vanilla Ubuntu 9.x or 10.x install that i can then customize and save as my own image |
| 21:35.11 | josephscott | I use regular ubuntu on ec2 just fine |
| 21:35.30 | mgeary | well, right, but which AMI to start with...? |
| 21:35.52 | mgeary | putting in the filter "ubuntu" shows 1232 hits |
| 21:36.29 | josephscott | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide |
| 21:36.59 | josephscott | $google ubuntu ec2 image |
| 21:37.00 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+ec2+image -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2 -- http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/release/ |
| 21:37.15 | josephscott | it is the first link |
| 21:44.55 | fungus | I actually played with the official Amazon AMI a bit. It's not ubuntu based, but it's a good, simple setup w/ all the API stuff pre-installed and ready to go |
| 21:45.05 | fungus | http://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-ami/ |
| 21:50.47 | herlo | mgeary: I use a regular CentOS5.5 image, you just have to hunt! |
| 21:50.57 | herlo | though, if josephscott has his ami number, it's easier |
| 21:51.02 | herlo | you can search for it |
| 21:51.51 | josephscott | I'm using an older AMI, I'd recommend a new one for Ubuntu |
| 21:59.19 | mgeary | anyone here use ever used RT? |
| 22:02.35 | herlo | mgeary: yes |
| 22:02.47 | herlo | we used it heavily at Guru Labs |
| 22:03.17 | mgeary | herlo: can it do anything resembling this request from a client: |
| 22:03.27 | mgeary | "Able to recommend an FAQ section based on the category the user chose in order to attempt to direct them to the answer" |
| 22:04.00 | mgeary | i think what he's trying to say there is, could it provide a very rudimentary solution finder for customer support people for common problems |
| 22:04.05 | herlo | possibly... |
| 22:04.26 | herlo | sounds like a bit of a Knowledge Base feature |
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| 22:04.43 | mgeary | yeah, but i think they'd want it linked in some way from issue categories |
| 22:04.49 | herlo | mgeary: join #utos and ask goozbach about it. He did more than I did with it |
| 22:04.54 | mgeary | herlo: do you know how easy it is to set up RT? |
| 22:12.36 | dharmatech | mgeary: RT faq manager might work as KB. we use RT but haven't tried RTFM. |
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| 22:16.46 | herlo | mgeary: oh, sorry |
| 22:16.55 | herlo | mgeary: I've upgraded it a couple times, fairly simple |
| 22:17.13 | herlo | installation was yum install iirc, then some config files |
| 22:17.39 | mgeary | cool |
| 22:17.41 | mgeary | thanks |
| 22:17.57 | herlo | mgeary: yeah, but RTFM as dharmatech suggested. They made it easy |
| 22:18.06 | herlo | :) |
| 22:18.27 | mgeary | herlo: he was actually referring to their product, RTFM, which can integrate with RT |
| 22:18.38 | herlo | oh, haha |
| 22:18.41 | mgeary | but RTFM is always good advice ;) |
| 22:19.05 | herlo | we use RT but haven't tried, RTFM (much different) |
| 22:19.21 | herlo | stoopid comma in my brain |
| 22:19.29 | herlo | :) |
| 22:27.32 | mindjuju | sunsparc, you looking for GPS? handheld or car? relatively old / new / doesn't matteR? |
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| 22:40.05 | influx | ~lart influx |
| 22:40.05 | ibot | slaps influx upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 22:58.57 | SunSparc | mindjuju: It is for my brother in law. Not sure on his preference. He drives a truck and wants GPS for while he works. |
| 22:59.26 | SunSparc | mindjuju: If you have anything, ping me on FB. Got go. |
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