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00:53.18HeartsbaneI am glad we saw SektA for like those 10 minutes
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15:29.17mgearymeh
15:30.35mgearyanyone here use DynDNS.com ?
15:31.33Utah_DaveI use it a little bit.
15:31.57Utah_Davemostly for a server at home.
15:32.22influxMornin'.
15:32.40mgearyUtah_Dave, a relatively new client of ours has an account with them, but it doesn't appear they are actually using it for anything
15:32.51mgearyi'm trying to confirm that
15:33.18mgearylooks like they have one entry in "My Hosts", but it's not pointing to any active server
15:33.54mgearyit's <foo>.gotdns.org
15:33.57mgearyappears to be defunct
15:41.06fungusI use DynDNS, but it just works.  Never had an issue.
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15:41.35fungusthough IIRC, if you don't have a client check in periodically it disappears
15:42.59mindjujuhappy bday tierra
15:45.01macnewbold~tiara tierra for his bday
15:46.20Utah_Davemgeary: so do you need to update the entry?
15:46.28tierrathanks mindjuju
15:52.32mgearyUtah_Dave: no, i think it's a relic that isn't needed for anything
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16:02.12Utah_Daveok
16:14.29josephscottoh man, almost fell out of my chair laughing - http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705369077/Gov-Gary-Herbert-calls-for-repeal-of-controversial-records-bill-HB477.html
16:15.06mindjujuoh man, josephscott, i was already having a lousy day because of fubar with telephone
16:15.38mindjujulast thing i needed to know was the idiot who signed the goofiest bill this side of the pecos, who said he signed it to promote dialog, has realized that he has foobed
16:15.55mindjujufail Governor = fail
16:15.56josephscottlaughing because the gov who just signed the bill a week ago is now calling for it to be repealed.  when, you know, he could have just vetoed it in the first place
16:22.18josephscottjsmith: t-shirt size and shipping address?
16:22.57jsmithjosephscott: Large
16:23.19jsmithjosephscott: shipping address in private message
16:23.53josephscottthanks
16:23.58influx~lart influx
16:23.58ibotsays "boot to the head" and knocks influx over
16:24.05influxOwie.
16:24.08influx;_;
16:24.15jsmithinflux: Having a case of the Mondays?
16:25.35influxWell, now I am. Just learned that there's a newer, shinier, cooler version of a watchband I purchased a month ago.
16:25.45influxIt's black.
16:25.55influx:(
16:31.05influxjsmith: You're doing swell, I hope.
16:31.45Utah_Davewhich watchband, influx?
16:31.52jsmithinflux: I'm doing quite well -- had a case of strepthroat yesterday, but I'm mostly over it today
16:31.53influxUtah_Dave: The LunaTik.
16:32.01influxjsmith: :O
16:32.03jsmithinflux: Still really really tired, but I'll survive :-)
16:32.09influx:)
16:33.11fungusinflux, they have white?  awesome
16:33.43funguseh, no.  it's silver.
16:33.44fungusdoh
16:34.01fungusooh,  ticktok white
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16:35.17influxYeah.
16:36.07josephscottjsmith: the sxsw induced down time
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16:43.18Utah_Daveinflux: sweet
16:47.44jsmithjosephscott: I'm sure that was it :-p
16:50.56influxdoes substr() mind the string's type?
16:53.04DexterTheDragonwhat types of strings are there?
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16:54.32influxInteger.
16:55.20DexterTheDragonan integer is an integer
17:06.16mindjujua mose is a mose
17:06.27mindjujua rose is a rose
17:06.33mindjujua toes a toes!
17:08.05DexterTheDragonnow we're onto something
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17:14.06Utah_Daveinflux: what's the difference between the LunaTik and the TikTok?
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17:16.42DexterTheDragonUtah_Dave: looks like the LunaTik is made of aluminum and you screw the ipod nano into it and the TikTok is rubber and the nano  snaps in and out
17:17.17Utah_DaveAh, I see.
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17:27.01mindjujucorban bday coming up this weekend, trying to decide classic skating / laser tag
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18:08.53josephscott$chuck-fact
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18:09.28josephscott$chuck-fact
18:09.28raifbotIf you have five dollars and Chuck Norris has five dollars, Chuck Norris has more money than you.
18:36.23ninnypants$chuck-fact
18:36.24raifbotThere used to be a street named after Chuck Norris, but it was changed because nobody crosses Chuck Norris and lives.
18:36.35influxah
18:36.41influxninnypants: howdy
18:36.45ninnypantshey influx
18:37.15influxWhat's shakin'.
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18:41.05ninnypantsnot a whole lot just doing client work
18:44.05influxGood times.
18:50.17josephscott$rlart
18:50.17raifbotbreaks out the Hoover and sucks up tierra.
18:51.20influxTierra = Earth/Dirt.
18:58.46mgearywell, minus the "i", anyways
19:07.14influxEn Espanol.
19:10.59mgearynoted
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19:24.22josephscottLOL! - http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatically-cut-agencys-cos,19753/ - instant classic
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20:07.29mgearyanyone here on a VOIP system? Have anything good or bad to say about it?
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20:08.01mindjujui'm on a VOIP system, and have nothing good to say about my PARTICULAR system
20:08.10mindjujui've seen others on VOIP systems that seemed to do fairly well
20:08.31mgearyjsmith: ping
20:09.30SunSparcmgeary: I am on a VOIP system.
20:09.40SunSparcHas been working pretty well for a couple years.
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20:21.59mindjuju~lart sunsparc and his smarmy working VOIP
20:21.59ibotinstalls a bad bootloader on sunsparc and his smarmy working VOIP and turns sunsparc and his smarmy working VOIP into a brick
20:22.09mindjuju:)
20:22.16mindjujujk /me gets back to work
20:23.35SunSparc:)
20:23.40mgearySunSparc: as far as i can tell there are 2 types of VOIP systems: those that have a local brain, and those where each phone is kind of a standalone system. Do you know which you have?
20:24.26mindjujui remember the preso that utah_dave did
20:24.31SunSparcmgeary: We have an asterisk box.
20:24.46mindjujuhe had a phone server that sent instructions to each phone on how to operate, we have that kind of system
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20:26.16Utah_DaveI'm on a few different voip systems. For the most part the ones that we can control work really well.
20:26.22SunSparcmindjuju: Ours can do that.  Those most of the phones, we just configure manually.
20:26.50Utah_DaveThe one we don't control that we're forced to use bites hard, but I think it has more to do with the operators than the capabilities of that system.
20:27.15mgearyso, here's my scenario
20:28.21jsmithmgeary: pong
20:28.37mgearywe've got 5 lines. 3 of these are in a rollover. Each desk phone has an extension. We have an auto-attendant that asks the caller to enter an extension. In a decentralized system (like i'm being quoted from X-mission), what holds auto-attendant? What routes a call to a particular phone?
20:28.42mindjuju@jsmith, mgeary looking for VOIP joy
20:28.52jsmithLovely! :-)
20:29.36Utah_Davemgeary: xmission's server would have to do an auto-attendant for you.
20:29.42Utah_DaveI'm not sure if they provide that service or not
20:29.44mindjujui told him, my weeping, wailing and gnashing of the teeth (which i have been doing much of today because of said VOIP system) isnt' common from what i've heard
20:30.22Utah_Davemindjuju: want me to come fix your system for you? I've got a big sledgehammer you can use!  :)
20:30.34mgearyUtah_Dave: so each desk phone would have to have it's own direct dial number?
20:30.49SunSparcmindjuju: We use Intellisys for our phone system.  They resell a Digium Asterisk box.
20:32.01Utah_Davemgeary: Well, it depends on how they have their service set up.  A lot of those 3rd party providers only provide individual phones with separate direct dial numbers.  There are some that provide the auto-attendant and everything
20:33.02Utah_DaveA cursory glance at xmission's voip page indicates that each line has it's own number. But you'd have to ask them.
20:33.04mgearyUtah_Dave: but you'd still need a centralized device to be the auto-attendant and routing of calls to extensions, no?
20:33.18Utah_DaveI don't think they provide that.
20:35.49Utah_DaveWhy don't you just use your own asterisk server? Then you could just purchase a connection to a voip provider
20:36.02Utah_Daveand you could create your autoattendant and all that
20:37.18SunSparcasterisk server++
20:37.34mgearyUtah_Dave: if you want to give me a quote on setting that up, i'm happy to consider it, but i'm not currently interested in doing that myself. Also, XM and at least one other bidder have indicated that a separate router would prioritize the VOIP traffic so it wasn't subject to the same rules as the "normal" internet traffic coming in/out of our office...
20:37.54mgearydo you know what's involved in that?
20:38.26Utah_DavePrioritizing the traffic isn't hard.
20:39.40Utah_Davewhat are you guys using for phones right now?
20:39.42mgearybut we can only prioritize it relative to our own data traffic? Is that all anyone can do?
20:39.49mgearywe're on an analog system with a PBX
20:40.26Utah_Davewell, you can tag the traffic so hopefully your upstream network will respect it, too.
20:40.52Utah_DavePlus, if you're on Utopia that won't be a problem.
20:41.27Utah_DaveAre you wanting to get rid of your analog lines?
20:41.37mgearywe're moving
20:41.46mgearyso we're changing something, regardless
20:42.33Utah_DaveAh, I see.
20:42.50Utah_DaveWhat's your current pbx?
20:44.20SunSparcmgeary: Just move your business number to Google Voice, use their attendant system to forward calls to each cell phone.
20:44.48mgearyUtah_Dave: not sure. it's a fairly high-end system, iirc, but it's ~10 years old
20:45.45Utah_DaveYeah, you might consider something newer.
20:48.38mgearyyeah, keeping the existing system isn't really on the table
20:49.55Utah_Daveso you're looking for just a small system with 5 phones and auto-attendant?
20:50.14mgearywell, we need line rollover
20:50.54Utah_Daveright.
20:50.54mgearyhunting, i guess it's called
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20:51.11mgearybut that's the high-level feature requirement
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20:51.19Utah_DaveThat's no problem.
20:53.14mgearyi'm all ears
20:55.05Utah_DaveWell, if you have a spare server, even a small, one we could use that to install asterisk and you'd just need to buy 5 voip phones.
20:55.17Utah_DaveThis would do what you need as well: http://store.digium.com/productview.php?product_code=1AA50WEBS800ISIL
20:55.32SunSparcmgeary: I just saw this:  http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/28/tellfi/
20:56.15mgearyUtah_Dave: what sort of ongoing costs are involved? Do i recall correctly you still need some sort of "provider" ?
20:57.53Utah_DaveYeah, there are a few ways to do that.   You can pay a company for however incoming numbers you want as well as your outgoing minutes.  Or you can buy minutes wholesale in bulk.
20:58.58Utah_DaveIt's not much money, unless you run a call center or something.  jsmith knows a little about running call centers
21:00.07mgearyand what are representative companies that can sell us minutes?
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