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| 04:41.42 | raifbot | Chuck Norris CAN believe it's not butter |
| 04:41.47 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 04:41.48 | raifbot | If Superman and The Flash were to race to the edge of space you know who would win? Chuck Norris. |
| 04:41.58 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 04:41.59 | raifbot | There is no chin behind Chuck Norrisâ beard. There is only another fist. |
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| 16:16.42 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
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| 16:17.00 | TuxToaster | $lart himself |
| 16:17.00 | raifbot | whacks himself with the cluebat. |
| 16:17.03 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 16:22.41 | fungus | $lart herself |
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| 16:47.20 | mindjuju | any dig / dns pros got a minute to give me a hand |
| 16:48.31 | macnewbold | mindjuju: what's up? |
| 16:48.36 | macnewbold | i can try to help |
| 16:49.11 | TuxToaster | $lart dns |
| 16:49.11 | raifbot | teaches dns the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 16:49.42 | fungus | imagine how horrible life would be w/o dns. |
| 16:49.47 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.04 | TuxToaster | fungus: go to http://127.0.0.1/... lol |
| 16:50.40 | TuxToaster | I'm sure no one would like remembering IPs to get places. |
| 16:50.51 | TuxToaster | though that just means we'd have huge "phone books" for the net |
| 16:51.10 | macnewbold | they used to make those - i remember seeing them for sale at book stores |
| 16:51.38 | josephscott | before dns you had giant hosts files |
| 16:51.47 | fungus | It'd probably be a 'hosts' file distribution system |
| 16:52.02 | TuxToaster | heh. exactly. |
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| 17:31.08 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 17:31.08 | raifbot | lowers macnewbold's priority. |
| 17:31.27 | TuxToaster | ouch. Mac got taken out by raifbot. |
| 17:34.52 | josephscott | he is still there, just running slower now :-) |
| 17:36.59 | mindjuju | k, quick question. i have a web server with both apache and mysql, ijt's currently in RAID 1 with no hot swap, i'm rebuilding this machine and getting a new chassis w/ 5 hot swap bays, i'm thinking of going RAID 5 over 4 hdd with one spare |
| 17:37.22 | mindjuju | the question comes from db performance over raid 5, have heard that raid 5 can affect db performance |
| 17:37.42 | mindjuju | any arguments pro or con? |
| 17:37.43 | TuxToaster | the last thing macnewbold needs is to have his processes preempted :P |
| 17:37.44 | josephscott | raid 5 is generally more work, because it has to deal with the checksum |
| 17:37.48 | TuxToaster | ~macnewbold++ |
| 17:37.51 | TuxToaster | there we go :P |
| 17:38.39 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: it depends on the case really, IMO. I've run servers with the DB on a raid 5 and they've worked great. |
| 17:38.46 | mindjuju | so josephscott, are you thinking raid 10 is beter then? |
| 17:39.15 | TuxToaster | but yeah, if there's a really heavy load and it's writing to disk alot, you'd see a bit of a lag there. Reads are good though. |
| 17:39.25 | josephscott | don't mean to sound like I'm avoiding it, but better is hard to generalize |
| 17:40.04 | josephscott | didn't mean to imply raid 5 should never be used, just that it involves additional work. depending on your usage that might be worth it |
| 17:40.22 | mindjuju | which does automatic use ? |
| 17:40.40 | josephscott | apache doesn't do much disk I/O outside of writing to log files, so mysql would be the thing to focus on for I/O |
| 17:40.59 | josephscott | depends on the server, we use different configurations for different needs |
| 17:41.01 | TuxToaster | another consideration: which storage engine |
| 17:41.24 | josephscott | we are using mirrored SSDs more often now |
| 17:41.26 | TuxToaster | if you're using InnoDB with buffered writes then I'd say it's a tossup, since the writes are delayed anyways. |
| 17:41.39 | mindjuju | funny you should ask tuxtoaster, the only web sites we're hosting on this one is WP ones |
| 17:41.54 | mindjuju | iirc, WP uses myisam doesn't it? |
| 17:42.03 | TuxToaster | high traffic? chances of tons of inserts/updates? |
| 17:42.18 | josephscott | WP uses what ever you configure in MySQL :-) |
| 17:42.18 | TuxToaster | personally I'd say r5 is fine for it |
| 17:42.44 | TuxToaster | josephscott: not quite. It's possible to have different engine types for different tables. |
| 17:42.48 | josephscott | another general issue to be aware of with raid5 is having a good battery back up on your raid controller |
| 17:43.00 | TuxToaster | so if WP's install creates MyISAM, that's what it'll use. |
| 17:43.12 | mindjuju | josephscott likes to scare me |
| 17:43.16 | josephscott | TuxToaster: WP uses what ever the default is in MySQL |
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| 17:43.34 | TuxToaster | which is usually MyISAM |
| 17:43.39 | TuxToaster | unless you're running 5.5 I believe |
| 17:43.44 | josephscott | TuxToaster: correct, but WP doesn't force that |
| 17:43.56 | josephscott | hence my point, it will use what ever you configure MySQL to use |
| 17:44.04 | TuxToaster | kk |
| 17:44.08 | josephscott | and you can of course change engines after a table is created |
| 17:44.37 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:45.09 | TuxToaster | don't even want to imagine performance on joins if the backend were flat CSV files. |
| 17:45.34 | josephscott | the blackhole storage engine is the fastest around |
| 17:45.55 | macnewbold | $lart raifbot |
| 17:45.56 | raifbot | nukes raifbot with a single large nuke. |
| 17:46.22 | macnewbold | i hate having a lower priority⦠it took nearly 15 minutes for my response to go through. |
| 17:46.49 | josephscott | mindjuju: the issue with battery backup on raid5 controllers is in order to maintain some hope of write performance the controller caches writes |
| 17:46.57 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:47.05 | josephscott | and you really don't want to loose power when the data is in the cache, but hasn't hit the disk yet |
| 17:48.27 | josephscott | so the controllers will have a battery on them, to make sure that cache can be preserved |
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| 17:56.35 | fungus | mindjuju, if your raid card doesn't support raid 10, then use raid 5. Otherwise use either depending on your needs. |
| 17:57.17 | fungus | raid 10 gives you less storage, but more redundancy. |
| 17:57.18 | mindjuju | seems like raid 10 is the better way to go, read the wiki on it, raid 10 over 4 and 1 swap |
| 17:57.53 | fungus | Yeah, but if you have to use software raid, then it's not better. |
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| 18:03.52 | optikal | I'm gathering an arguement on Nagios vs SCOM for an environment that's largely (90%) Microsoft. I'm in favor of SCOM in this particular environment, anyone have input? Price isn't an issue. |
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| 18:21.00 | josephscott | ~logs |
| 18:21.00 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 18:21.42 | josephscott | ~factinfo logs |
| 18:21.42 | ibot | logs -- last modified at Mon Feb 7 22:08:20 2011 by TimRiker!~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker; it has been requested 379 times, last by josephscott, 42s ago. |
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| 18:24.43 | Dezertol | quick q for the nagios users... acorrding to the man page the sticky bit's are now ignored in centos5.5 how then do I get the nagios user to run the check_init_service |
| 18:25.07 | Dezertol | I can edit the script and add "sudo" to the check |
| 18:25.27 | Dezertol | but.. that seems a bit ugly |
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| 19:20.47 | beandog | http://imgur.com/Uah0S |
| 19:21.02 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:23.04 | beandog | heh |
| 19:24.43 | SunSparc | I like thinking of those types of people better that way. |
| 19:24.50 | beandog | srsly |
| 19:25.16 | SunSparc | Makes the world seem like a more happy, fun, and peaceful place. |
| 19:27.15 | beandog | :) |
| 19:27.20 | Dezertol | http://imgur.com/gallery/pzhGX |
| 19:27.36 | Dezertol | hehe been laughing for like 5 minutes |
| 19:27.38 | Dezertol | over that one |
| 19:27.44 | beandog | oh, ow |
| 19:29.00 | beandog | lol http://i.imgur.com/6XNpt.jpg |
| 19:31.36 | Dezertol | http://imgur.com/gallery/nsLZX |
| 19:31.40 | Dezertol | o dear.. |
| 19:33.53 | fungus | lol, the fat one looks like he might be enjoying it. |
| 19:34.12 | beandog | http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/feature/behold-the-nicolas-cage-matrix.php |
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| 19:34.47 | Jacob_Kerr | Anyone here use the Icontact API? |
| 19:35.11 | beandog | http://www.allstepisodes.com/ |
| 19:35.14 | beandog | that's not gonna last too long |
| 19:44.36 | SunSparc | Whoa! Sweet! |
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| 19:45.08 | SunSparc | Yes, unless that is legit, they are going to be burned to a crisp withing days. |
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| 19:46.02 | beandog | ~hail mindjuju |
| 19:46.02 | ibot | ACTION bows down to mindjuju and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 19:46.13 | beandog | uh, ok |
| 19:46.30 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:47.14 | Dezertol | any of you got nagios/nrpe/linux setup |
| 19:47.29 | Dezertol | got a premissions issue that's pissing me off |
| 19:47.30 | SunSparc | Not I |
| 19:47.51 | Dezertol | in cent 5.5 the man page says it ignores sticky bits |
| 19:47.52 | mindjuju | nagios yes, but i just learning it |
| 19:48.07 | beandog | I use monit |
| 19:48.07 | Dezertol | so I'm trying to run the check_ini_service mysqld |
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| 19:48.29 | Dezertol | but... it can't run /sbin/service mysqld status as a non root user |
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| 19:48.48 | Dezertol | and nagios nrpe runs as nagios |
| 19:50.13 | josephscott | well, so much for access to gov't records - http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705368319/Gov-Herbert-explains-decision-to-sign-controversial-HB477.html |
| 19:50.47 | beandog | I'm seriously moving to Canada. |
| 19:51.04 | SunSparc | I am seriously moving to Venus. |
| 19:51.35 | josephscott | who makes up these processes? |
| 19:51.37 | josephscott | "Legislators have promised to set up a working group, including the press and members of the public, to study the GRAMA amendments after the legislative session ends this week. That group would make recommendations to interim study committees, which would draft a new version in time for a special session in June." |
| 19:51.59 | beandog | wtc? |
| 19:52.04 | beandog | Am I not understanding politics |
| 19:52.10 | beandog | Why would you adopt the law ... to revise it later? |
| 19:52.18 | beandog | honestly asking there. I dont get it. |
| 19:52.57 | Dezertol | in hopes that no one get's around to doing .. |
| 19:53.00 | beandog | From reading the article it looks like he's just spinning the whole thing |
| 19:53.02 | Dezertol | they save face now.. |
| 19:53.11 | Dezertol | and hope that no one bothers to change it |
| 19:54.26 | beandog | thats the impression I got. |
| 19:54.30 | josephscott | beandog: easy, you don't, you adopt the law now in hopes of not having to deal with it any more |
| 19:54.31 | beandog | Get it out of the news quickly |
| 19:54.36 | mindjuju | in honor of josephscott |
| 19:54.47 | mindjuju | err, i mean the bill that josephscott posted |
| 19:55.10 | josephscott | mindjuju: my birthday/end of the world isn't until may |
| 19:55.24 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:55.33 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ |
| 19:56.45 | josephscott | mindjuju: seriously, the end of the world is on my birthday this year |
| 19:56.49 | josephscott | so says http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/08/end-of-the-world-comments/comment-page-11/ |
| 19:56.55 | josephscott | http://www.azfamily.com/news/Billboard-in-central-Phoenix-predicts-end-of-the-world-117629553.html |
| 19:57.08 | Jacob_Kerr | Wow that sound scary man. They are going to study the amendmants and come up with a crafty way of changing them all will a lame excuse that ignorant people will accept? Heh. |
| 19:58.55 | mindjuju | i'm not sure that's going to happen in this case |
| 19:59.03 | mindjuju | WAY to much heat on this bill |
| 19:59.28 | mindjuju | it ws stupid to sign it, but i think people are just getting warmed up |
| 20:03.06 | beandog | what bugs me is that there can be so much local resistance to something, yet it has absolutely no effect whatsoever. |
| 20:03.37 | beandog | big bank bailouts is another example of that |
| 20:03.44 | josephscott | on a more fun note, this was awesome - http://devour.com/video/third-grade-buzzer-beater/ |
| 20:06.37 | beandog | josephscott, how come he only got 2 points? |
| 20:07.18 | josephscott | perhaps little kid basketball doesn't have a 3 pointer? |
| 20:10.14 | josephscott | oh man, time to check my paypal balance, I totally need to donate on this - http://thanksfortrumpetwinsock.com/ |
| 20:11.01 | beandog | cool |
| 20:11.12 | beandog | of course, how do we know the $$$ really goes to him |
| 20:11.22 | beandog | plus, paypal == evil |
| 20:13.16 | mindjuju | ah trumpet, enabled me to get "online" |
| 20:14.47 | SunSparc | Wow, trumpte winsock... |
| 20:14.57 | josephscott | back in my ISP days during the 90s, spent untold hours doing tech support for people using trumpet winsock |
| 20:16.44 | Dezertol | o. that's a word that takes me back |
| 20:16.46 | Dezertol | lol |
| 20:17.05 | DexterTheDragon | s/tech support for people/assisting software pirates/ |
| 20:17.37 | beandog | don't copy that floppy! |
| 20:17.47 | beandog | man I remember even the Sierra games had some weird copy DRM on em |
| 20:18.07 | herlo | beandog: they just didn't call it DRM back then |
| 20:18.18 | Dezertol | we put castle wolfenstine on all the computers in the lab at school |
| 20:18.24 | beandog | herlo, true, it was copy protection |
| 20:20.28 | Dezertol | dos 6.2 baby.. still got the install floppys |
| 20:22.04 | beandog | that's nothing. I've got a bootable DOS cd |
| 20:22.23 | beandog | actually thats not too impressive either. |
| 20:22.29 | Dezertol | lol you put dos on a cd |
| 20:22.30 | Dezertol | lol |
| 20:22.36 | beandog | heh yah |
| 20:22.39 | beandog | I dont remember why I did that. |
| 20:22.48 | beandog | I think it was to upgrade a bios or something |
| 20:22.58 | Dezertol | last week i threw out all 15 floppy disks of windows 95b |
| 20:22.59 | Dezertol | lol |
| 20:23.16 | Dezertol | and the 4 word perfict ones |
| 20:23.24 | beandog | oh man, I miss word perfect |
| 20:24.15 | Dezertol | had all the windows 3.1 and 3.11 disks to |
| 20:24.31 | Dezertol | but i pitched all that crap cleaning out my garage last week |
| 20:24.56 | beandog | that reminds me |
| 20:25.00 | beandog | Ive got two tivos to get rid of |
| 20:25.06 | beandog | I gotta post em on KSL |
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| 21:07.27 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 21:07.27 | raifbot | beats cedwards to within 2.54cm of his life. |
| 21:07.38 | josephscott | oh good grief, need some better larts |
| 21:08.51 | wps | yeah, that's pretty weak |
| 21:11.59 | fungus | do you have all of these? http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/infobot/trunk/files/infobot.lart?revision=1561&view=markup |
| 21:13.36 | DexterTheDragon | those are all the lame ones |
| 21:14.21 | josephscott | not sure, I pulled from a fork of ibot I think |
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| 21:14.35 | mindjuju | we should get dataw0lf and thebigdog to fight again and use those for the next gen larts |
| 21:14.36 | josephscott | there are 123 larts listed for raifbot |
| 21:14.47 | jsmith | ~lart the list |
| 21:14.47 | ibot | gives the list an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending the list to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 21:14.47 | mindjuju | that's were these come from |
| 21:14.51 | mindjuju | ~dhit DtD |
| 21:14.51 | ibot | ACTION appears right behind DtD and slaps him in the back of the head |
| 21:14.58 | mindjuju | ~bdhit DtD |
| 21:14.58 | ibot | ACTION slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on DtD |
| 21:15.18 | DexterTheDragon | ~dtdhit mindjuju |
| 21:15.18 | ibot | ACTION stikes at mindjuju with the vulgar dragon technique blinding mindjuju in one eye! |
| 21:15.22 | SunSparc | dataw0lf vs thebigdog FIGHT! |
| 21:15.36 | mindjuju | i hope that's not my good eye DtD |
| 21:15.40 | DexterTheDragon | s/dataw0lf/stderr-/ |
| 21:16.23 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: well now its your bad eye |
| 21:16.29 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:34.48 | influx | $8ball H4K? |
| 21:34.48 | raifbot | influx - Very doubtful. |
| 21:35.23 | josephscott | $weather sandy, ut |
| 21:35.23 | raifbot | josephscott - current weather for sandy, ut - Cloudy 44f / 7c Humidity: 58% Wind: SE at 7 mph |
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| 21:45.45 | mindjuju | hey, wasn't there something about creating a csr where if you use a passphrase, then everytime you restart apache, you have to put in the phrase? |
| 21:45.49 | mindjuju | am i remembering right? |
| 21:47.31 | josephscott | yes |
| 21:47.45 | mindjuju | so don't type in a passphrase |
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| 21:52.14 | mindjuju | i'm saying this openssl genrsa -des3 -out domain.key 2048 |
| 21:52.23 | mindjuju | but it won't let me not use passphrase |
| 21:55.05 | herlo | mindjuju: you can strip it after the fact |
| 21:55.11 | herlo | you also may wish to look at genkey |
| 21:58.01 | SunSparc | mindjuju: You specify -nodes and it will not encrypt it with a passphrase or ask for one. |
| 22:04.38 | fungus | mindjuju, replace -des3 with -nodes like SunSparc mentioned |
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| 22:05.15 | Dezertol | http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/03/09/patent-reform-bill-clears-senate-inches-toward-becoming-law/?KEYWORDS=patent+law |
| 22:05.53 | Dezertol | Under the measure, the U.S. would shift to a \u201cfirst to file\u201d patent-rights system from a \u201cfirst to invent\u201d system |
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| 22:07.34 | TuxToaster | jealousy shot for you all: http://cl.ly/163n0h2z1K3A2L150P3J |
| 22:13.41 | wps | in MySQL⦠|
| 22:13.46 | wps | is a subquery completely isolutated? |
| 22:13.59 | jsmith | isolutated? |
| 22:14.10 | wps | isolated |
| 22:14.11 | wps | :) |
| 22:14.11 | herlo | lol, isolated methinks |
| 22:14.24 | wps | meaning, does the WHERE condition or other conditions affect the subquery? |
| 22:14.30 | jsmith | Nope... |
| 22:14.48 | jsmith | The subquery is independent from the WHERE clause of the main query |
| 22:14.54 | wps | k⦠that's what I thought |
| 22:14.55 | wps | thanks |
| 22:15.01 | jsmith | (of course, the subquery can have its own WHERE clause) |
| 22:15.05 | wps | I was sure that that was how it is, but I have a query that shouldn't be working if that's the case |
| 22:15.08 | wps | yeah |
| 22:15.10 | wps | thanks |
| 22:15.20 | jsmith | Oh? |
| 22:15.24 | mindjuju | if i said mv ./* .. would that move all the files in the current dir into the parent ? |
| 22:16.43 | Dezertol | chicken |
| 22:17.25 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:20.49 | SunSparc | mindjuju: yes, it would, you could even just do mv * .. |
| 22:21.08 | wps | jsmith: I have a subquery that is successfully using a table alias (from a join) |
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| 22:24.26 | TuxToaster | wps: on the subquery isolation, there are some cases where you can access things in the main query from the subquery, and sometimes not, |
| 22:25.21 | TuxToaster | but yeah, otherwise the results are not affected by the outer query |
| 22:26.13 | josephscott | you can access outer table aliases from inside a subquery |
| 22:26.50 | TuxToaster | usually. :-) |
| 22:27.46 | TuxToaster | there are some cases where it won't work though, I think when the subquery is used in a WHERE itself or something. can't remember the official rule on it but as with most things SQL I just try it (on a dev environment, of course) to see if it works or not |
| 22:28.07 | josephscott | wps: 'Learning SQL' from O'Reilly is a good book - http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596520847 |
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| 22:53.41 | mindjuju | so if i have in an httpd.conf file <virtualhost 123.456.789.1:80>servername www.example.com |
| 22:54.10 | mindjuju | and somebody types in www.exampleB.com which DNS wise routes to 123.456.789.1 |
| 22:54.23 | mindjuju | apache will or won't respond |
| 22:54.26 | mindjuju | i thought won't |
| 22:55.49 | mindjuju | but it seems to be working |
| 22:57.22 | TuxToaster | yeah it'll match the virtualhost on that listening port |
| 22:57.24 | fungus | mindjuju, if no other VirtualHost directives match the hostname, it defaults to the first one |
| 22:57.37 | TuxToaster | the servername directive won't restrict which host it allows |
| 22:57.50 | mindjuju | curious |
| 22:58.10 | mindjuju | that's why it works |
| 22:58.43 | TuxToaster | there's a way to set it up to do it, in a named vhost shared IP setup, but it's painful from what I remember. Usually had a hard time getting the rules to take. |
| 22:59.27 | fungus | TuxToaster, you just specify the first VirtualHost directive to throw an error, and use all the others for the hostnames you actually want. |
| 22:59.54 | TuxToaster | or you listen to fungus, because he knows :D |
| 23:00.11 | Dezertol | just use mod_rewrite to rick roll them |
| 23:00.12 | mindjuju | thx fungus |
| 23:00.13 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:00.15 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 23:00.18 | TuxToaster | I haven't set them up in a while, I just know when I did that I had some trouble getting it to match the ones I wanted |
| 23:00.21 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:01.01 | TuxToaster | had some script kiddy hack a test site I set up on my vhosts once |
| 23:01.50 | TuxToaster | I was trying out e107, apparently had a bad image upload exploit, but luckily they weren't smart enough to actually do much damage beyond replacing my index page and downloading a couple of zip files I had in my web root |
| 23:02.34 | TuxToaster | but they kept hitting the site to make sure it was up... so I did a redirect to fbi.gov. Didn't take long for the hits to stop. |
| 23:03.10 | TuxToaster | doubt it would have worked if they'd been foreign hackers or something, but the IPs were all from like Illinois or somewhere in the US, so figured it was worth a try. |
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| 23:12.58 | mindjuju | wth is a cabundle |
| 23:13.04 | mindjuju | ...sigh... i hate godaddy |
| 23:14.01 | Dezertol | domainmonger and linode and I'm set.. |
| 23:16.21 | Dezertol | I know people that have both worked and interviewd at godaddy |
| 23:16.37 | Dezertol | they said it's the only time in there life they prayied they didn't get the job |
| 23:16.57 | mindjuju | heh |
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| 23:26.55 | mindjuju | ugh, after calling and talking to one of their "vip" tech support guys, i've come to the conclusion, they must hire the highest level jerks around |
| 23:27.17 | mindjuju | and i think if i had to work there, i'd prolly opt for cynide pills or working at BK |
| 23:27.48 | Dezertol | ya a friend of mine worked there for a while he hated it |
| 23:28.01 | Dezertol | and when he left they hired him as a contract to keep working on the project |
| 23:28.12 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:28.19 | Dezertol | he now makes the same amount of money he did when he was there and only puts in 4 hours a week |
| 23:28.20 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:28.30 | mindjuju | oh that's funny :) |
| 23:38.29 | Dezertol | so I started at this new job in nov and I've been trying to consolidate 4 different nagios installs onto one nagios box |
| 23:38.40 | Dezertol | just came across a 5th nagios box that I didn't know about |
| 23:38.41 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:39.18 | mindjuju | wow, and i thought i had it hard |
| 23:40.10 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 23:40.23 | josephscott | perhaps they thought too many nagios boxes were better than none at all ;-) |
| 23:40.31 | TuxToaster | we had a nagios box. |
| 23:41.12 | TuxToaster | then he let the guy go who had set it up, and replaced it with ApplicationManager, which sucks. |
| 23:41.17 | Dezertol | no.. the were going through unix admins like socks and each one decided they needed to set there own up |
| 23:41.33 | TuxToaster | I mean, it's nice for what it shows, but now no one has access to it for monitoring, and it isn't as flexible as nagios. |
| 23:41.35 | Dezertol | and here's me.. suck cleaing it up |
| 23:41.55 | Dezertol | ya |
| 23:41.58 | TuxToaster | Dezertol: I'm sure that was "stuck" but still funny imagery |
| 23:42.19 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:42.24 | TuxToaster | whip out a vacuum and have at it. |
| 23:42.26 | Dezertol | opps. ya |
| 23:42.32 | Dezertol | it needs it |
| 23:42.37 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:42.37 | raifbot | blames romanovic-afk for all the evil in the world. |
| 23:42.41 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:42.46 | Dezertol | we p2v'd everything here in the last 9 months |
| 23:42.46 | TuxToaster | good choice, blame the one who isn't here. |
| 23:42.58 | Dezertol | we're now runnig a bit netapp and a bunch of exs hosts |
| 23:43.02 | Dezertol | esx |
| 23:43.11 | TuxToaster | a new netapp or an old one? |
| 23:43.17 | Dezertol | so the admins where just standing up the own copys |
| 23:43.19 | Dezertol | bran new |
| 23:43.24 | Dezertol | all of it's fast disk |
| 23:43.27 | TuxToaster | I have *cough* fond *cough* memories of netapp, and they aren't good. |
| 23:43.32 | TuxToaster | ah that would be nice. |
| 23:43.47 | TuxToaster | we got handed an old 700 series filer |
| 23:43.59 | Dezertol | o.. |
| 23:44.09 | Dezertol | ya.. the stuff we got is actually really cool |
| 23:44.09 | TuxToaster | full rack, but not even a good TB usable. |
| 23:44.13 | TuxToaster | failing drives, etc. |
| 23:44.28 | fungus | I love my Netapps. |
| 23:44.30 | Dezertol | we're running duel head's at 30TB each |
| 23:44.56 | fungus | except the IBM branded one. IBM sucks. |
| 23:45.00 | TuxToaster | when you can hear the high pitched whine of the heads scratching into a hard disk platter, over the AC and four nearby racks of 1U's, plus my slightly bad hearing, you know it' can't be good. |
| 23:45.27 | TuxToaster | and since we had a habit of dismantling old drives, we took it apart. Nasty. |
| 23:45.33 | Dezertol | lol I can't think about IBM with out thinking Tivoli |
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| 23:45.45 | fungus | hehe, exactly. |
| 23:46.03 | Dezertol | and that's enough to make anyone jump out the window |
| 23:46.35 | fungus | IBM rebrands Netapps, OS and hardware isn't too bad, but dealing w/ IBM sucks. |
| 23:46.52 | carmony | Why do I have to be so honest? :P |
| 23:47.06 | carmony | my work paid me twice this month :P |
| 23:47.11 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:47.22 | Dezertol | did you just say "thanks for the bonus" and hope they didn't catch it |
| 23:47.28 | Dezertol | at least then you told them |
| 23:47.30 | carmony | haha, naw |
| 23:47.32 | carmony | I told them |
| 23:47.33 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:47.35 | mindjuju | hmm, i get paid twice a month |
| 23:47.51 | carmony | meaning, they pay me once a month |
| 23:47.56 | carmony | and paid me twice for the same month |
| 23:48.00 | mindjuju | i know |
| 23:48.04 | mindjuju | i was just teasin' |
| 23:48.15 | Dezertol | I'm in the two week cycle.. which I really like |
| 23:48.15 | carmony | hehe |
| 23:48.21 | Dezertol | every other friday |
| 23:48.29 | mindjuju | course though, yeah, i think we do like pay every 2 wks |
| 23:48.33 | Dezertol | makes fridays a bit more fun |
| 23:48.48 | mindjuju | course, it'd be interesting to get paid in one HUGE annual sum |
| 23:48.58 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:49.02 | carmony | lol |
| 23:49.14 | Dezertol | ya.. but knowing me.. aug - dec would be major weight loss |
| 23:49.15 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:49.38 | Dezertol | i'd be eating roman noodles and riding my bike to work |
| 23:49.57 | josephscott | unlikely a company would pay annually, whole time value of money and such |
| 23:50.10 | TuxToaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yISqCAnROh8 always loved this. |
| 23:50.11 | Dezertol | I've heard of quartly.. |
| 23:50.47 | TuxToaster | carmony: good thing, it'd most likely come back to bite you later if you didn't |
| 23:50.57 | TuxToaster | accounting would eventually catch it |
| 23:51.56 | carmony | yeah |
| 23:52.38 | josephscott | that and the whole being honest thing ;-) |
| 23:53.47 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:54.02 | TuxToaster | $8ball would you have been honest? |
| 23:54.02 | raifbot | TuxToaster - It is certain. |
| 23:54.06 | TuxToaster | good call |
| 23:54.20 | TuxToaster | $8ball how about ibot? Would he have been honest? |
| 23:54.20 | raifbot | TuxToaster - It is certain. |
| 23:54.23 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:54.39 | mindjuju | well, plus your dad runs the co doesn't he? |
| 23:54.42 | TuxToaster | $8ball how about Chuck Norris? |
| 23:54.43 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 23:54.52 | mindjuju | so like stilling from yourself |
| 23:54.54 | TuxToaster | (reply hazy due to roundhouse kick) |
| 23:55.12 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.15 | mindjuju | not stilling |
| 23:55.18 | mindjuju | can't believe i did that |
| 23:55.23 | TuxToaster | $lart stilling |
| 23:55.23 | raifbot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets stilling feel it. |
| 23:55.31 | TuxToaster | ouch |
