| 00:00.18 | beandog | that's close to antarctica |
| 00:01.43 | DexterTheDragon | $weather pendleton, or |
| 00:01.43 | raifbot | DexterTheDragon - current weather for pendleton, or - Cloudy 41f / 5c Humidity: 47% Wind: W at 31 mph |
| 00:02.10 | DexterTheDragon | $weather la grande, or |
| 00:02.10 | raifbot | DexterTheDragon - current weather for la grande, or - Cloudy 37f / 3c Humidity: 45% Wind: W at 22 mph |
| 00:03.06 | josephscott | $weather Frog Level |
| 00:03.06 | raifbot | josephscott - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for Frog Level |
| 00:03.15 | mindjuju | $weather la grange, tx |
| 00:03.16 | josephscott | $weather Frog Level, Virginia |
| 00:03.16 | raifbot | mindjuju - current weather for la grange, tx - Cloudy 77f / 25c Humidity: 51% Wind: SE at 6 mph |
| 00:03.16 | raifbot | josephscott - current weather for Frog Level, Virginia - Mostly Cloudy 38f / 3c Humidity: 91% Wind: NW at 3 mph |
| 00:04.54 | josephscott | $weather Dumfries |
| 00:04.54 | raifbot | josephscott - current weather for Dumfries - Drizzle 42f / 6c Humidity: 97% Wind: S at 8 mph |
| 00:05.06 | josephscott | $weather Satan's Kingdom |
| 00:05.06 | raifbot | josephscott - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for Satan's Kingdom |
| 00:05.17 | josephscott | $weather Satan's Kingdom, Vermont |
| 00:05.17 | raifbot | josephscott - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for Satan's Kingdom, Vermont |
| 00:05.21 | mindjuju | $weather Hell |
| 00:05.22 | raifbot | mindjuju - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for Hell |
| 00:05.22 | josephscott | hmm, |
| 00:05.38 | mindjuju | $weather Hell, Mi |
| 00:05.38 | raifbot | mindjuju - current weather for Hell, Mi - Sunny 24f / -4c Humidity: 42% Wind: S at 2 mph |
| 00:05.40 | beandog | we need a trans-dimensional bot |
| 00:05.58 | josephscott | $weather Satan's Kingdom, Massachusetts |
| 00:05.58 | raifbot | josephscott - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for Satan's Kingdom, Massachusetts |
| 00:06.07 | josephscott | darn it, google maps shows it! |
| 00:06.32 | mindjuju | $weather Satans Kingdom, vt |
| 00:06.32 | raifbot | mindjuju - current weather for Satans Kingdom, vt - Clear 15f / -9c Humidity: 41% Wind: N at 8 mph |
| 00:06.37 | mindjuju | booyah! |
| 00:06.46 | PoeticIntensity | darn details... |
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| 00:13.21 | xmjohn | looking for a drupal developer for a customer |
| 00:13.35 | herlo | http://www.tvsquad.com/2011/02/22/firefly-fillion-fans-and-the-future/ <- booyah! |
| 00:14.04 | herlo | xmjohn: hey! |
| 00:14.11 | xmjohn | ahoy hoy |
| 00:14.28 | xmjohn | not a big project, reasonable however |
| 00:14.33 | herlo | but I'm only a really awesome sysadmin :) |
| 00:14.35 | mindjuju | i'm trying to think of who does drupal in here |
| 00:14.54 | mindjuju | i think DtD did a little |
| 00:15.36 | xmjohn | I have a joomla friend that thinks she could do it but I'd prefer to pass on a referral for someone actually familiar with it |
| 00:16.14 | herlo | indeed |
| 00:16.33 | herlo | xmjohn: there is an actuall Utah Drupal user group, but I don't know if they are active or what |
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| 00:16.52 | mindjuju | wow, there is a drupal utah group after all |
| 00:17.01 | mindjuju | poor devil, there is only 1 guy in there though |
| 00:17.07 | mindjuju | #drupal-utah |
| 00:17.12 | mindjuju | i heard they were starting a group |
| 00:17.24 | mindjuju | i've PMd him xmjohn, no response yet |
| 00:17.33 | xmjohn | thank you |
| 00:17.43 | xmjohn | this is for a stackable customer |
| 00:17.55 | mgeary | anyone have any thoughts about LiquidWeb? |
| 00:18.06 | mindjuju | yeah, i've got dedicated there now |
| 00:18.10 | mindjuju | it's been good |
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| 00:20.29 | josephscott | their ads have been all over lately, that is all I know about them |
| 00:20.45 | mgeary | mindjuju: this CentOS 4.7 machine i've got is apparently a VPS there. Any thoughts on why they'd be offering such an outdated version? (http://www.liquidweb.com/cart/content/vps/VPS/Plan2/) |
| 00:20.59 | mindjuju | oh, i thought that was me and some doubleclick cookie or something |
| 00:21.03 | mgeary | that's just downright annoying |
| 00:21.43 | mindjuju | wow, that's weird |
| 00:23.16 | herlo | mgeary: 4.7 is still supported by RH for a bit iirc... |
| 00:23.23 | herlo | not that I would use it or anything :( |
| 00:23.35 | mgeary | read my lips, "python 2.4.3" |
| 00:23.39 | herlo | mgeary: do they offer like CentOS 5.5 ?? |
| 00:23.43 | mgeary | herlo: no |
| 00:23.43 | herlo | mgeary: so... |
| 00:23.45 | mgeary | i mean, that was a great version of Python |
| 00:23.48 | mindjuju | it's not listed |
| 00:23.49 | mgeary | ...two years ago |
| 00:23.57 | herlo | mgeary: you know that 5.5 only has python 2.4.x too, right? |
| 00:24.03 | mgeary | are you serious? |
| 00:24.05 | herlo | yes |
| 00:24.13 | mgeary | KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!! |
| 00:24.21 | herlo | mgeary: think stability, not latest and greatest |
| 00:24.27 | mgeary | i know, i know |
| 00:24.37 | herlo | luckily for 5.x, you can get python2.6 via epel |
| 00:24.42 | herlo | afaik, it's not in 4.7 |
| 00:24.56 | josephscott | for those with flash enabled http://www.khaaan.com/ |
| 00:25.09 | herlo | it's just not supported ootb |
| 00:25.25 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: drupal is an evil thing that is not to be toyed with |
| 00:25.29 | mgeary | doing django work with python2.4 taint fun |
| 00:25.53 | mgeary | but yeah, at least there's the option to upgrade |
| 00:31.52 | herlo | mgeary: I'd say 2.4 isn't that bad actually and really not too hard even with django |
| 00:32.06 | herlo | I've done a few projects with it myself, but I can see the benefits of upgrading too |
| 00:32.22 | herlo | coming soon, to a system near you |
| 00:35.27 | mgeary | well, like i say, it was a great version |
| 00:35.41 | mgeary | but c'mon |
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| 00:45.18 | herlo | :) |
| 00:48.37 | xmjohn | Well, if anyone knows a drupal dev please drop me an email, john@xmission.com / john@stackable.com. Love to give someone local the work. |
| 00:50.39 | mgeary | bah. Drupal |
| 00:51.11 | mgeary | xmjohn: by the way, your info about fiber the other day in #xm was very helpful. Many thanks for that. |
| 00:51.22 | xmjohn | yep, first request for it in 15 years |
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| 00:52.16 | xmjohn | mgeary, sure thing |
| 00:52.25 | xmjohn | how did it turn out? |
| 00:53.44 | mgeary | well, we're meeting with the landlord on Thursday. Going to push for transparency, since i believe someone with an agenda is pushing their plan |
| 00:53.51 | mgeary | going to try to convince them to get a bid from XM |
| 00:54.00 | xmjohn | great, we are happy to help |
| 00:54.22 | mgeary | and will try to push for a private fiber termination for our company, though i guess they can deny that if they want :/ |
| 00:54.42 | mgeary | xmjohn: would an XM bid include actually running the fiber to the building? or does that only happen directly with Utopia? |
| 00:55.11 | xmjohn | UTOPIA's installers do that, we only provide service over temrinated connections |
| 00:55.25 | mindjuju | i hate the word utopia |
| 00:55.38 | mindjuju | it describes heartfelt pain, anguish and gnashing of teeth |
| 00:55.52 | mindjuju | i live in orem, I love the concept, but i'm not in a coverage area |
| 00:55.54 | xmjohn | I wish I could get it. |
| 00:56.06 | mindjuju | and it pains be to hear others talk with jubilation about it |
| 00:56.13 | xmjohn | I'm in SLC and can get 1.5m qwest or latency riddled comcast |
| 00:56.22 | xmjohn | ditto |
| 00:56.35 | mindjuju | :( |
| 00:56.48 | mgeary | i have fiber at home |
| 00:56.53 | mgeary | it's lovely |
| 00:56.55 | mindjuju | shush you |
| 00:57.06 | xmjohn | mindjuju, we have VPS (beta) as container choice in stackable now |
| 00:57.21 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 00:57.26 | mgeary | xmjohn: do you put something other than CentOS 4.7 on it? |
| 00:57.36 | xmjohn | yeah, create a new container and it will show as an option |
| 00:57.40 | xmjohn | I think it is 5 |
| 00:57.50 | mgeary | what, no 6 yet? sheesh |
| 00:59.04 | fungus | lol |
| 00:59.12 | xmjohn | I think it leaves beta at the end of this week |
| 00:59.15 | xmjohn | or next |
| 00:59.49 | xmjohn | anyway, I have to run. Thanks all. /msg me if you have any referrals for the dreaded drupal. |
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| 01:56.18 | mindjuju | i'm doing a netstat -l but i can't seem to find the program that is handling DNS requests |
| 01:56.21 | mindjuju | is there a better way? |
| 01:56.30 | herlo | mindjuju: yes |
| 01:56.46 | mindjuju | darn, i tried :( |
| 01:57.00 | herlo | getent services domain |
| 01:57.17 | herlo | mindjuju: also netstat -planetu is a much better set of switches. -l is too limiting |
| 02:04.04 | mindjuju | thx herlo, it helps |
| 02:04.38 | mindjuju | i'm finding that in this instance too, centos and ubuntu don't follow similar naming conventions |
| 02:04.43 | mindjuju | bind is named |
| 02:05.06 | herlo | mindjuju: bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Domain server |
| 02:05.15 | herlo | named is the proper name of the daemon |
| 02:05.21 | herlo | it's the 'name' daemon :) |
| 02:05.55 | herlo | it's just a pure disagreement on what it should be called, but yeah |
| 02:05.59 | mindjuju | yeah, it can take some looking around before it becomes obvious |
| 02:06.09 | herlo | :/ |
| 02:06.14 | mindjuju | so which format to more distros adhere to? |
| 02:06.25 | herlo | I don't think that's the right question |
| 02:06.28 | mindjuju | i'm guessing rhel calls it named, or httpd (in another case) |
| 02:06.51 | herlo | yes, rhel/fedora/centos, which are the most prominent server distro atm |
| 02:07.36 | herlo | but it's not the necessarily a formatting debate |
| 02:08.11 | herlo | because I think there are really only two major ways of thinking |
| 02:08.28 | herlo | when it comes to production servers |
| 02:08.36 | herlo | the debian way and the red hat way |
| 02:08.45 | herlo | neither are wrong, just different |
| 02:08.56 | herlo | but it can be frustrating to switch between them... |
| 02:09.14 | herlo | in purely numbers, RHEL/CentOS win hands down for servers deployed |
| 02:09.35 | herlo | but I suspect that Debian/Ubuntu could claim that title too, depending on how you look at companies like Google |
| 02:09.49 | herlo | since they use their own custom kernel, but use Ubuntu as a baseline iirc |
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| 03:56.18 | herlo | okay, mysql experts please stand up |
| 03:56.41 | herlo | I have been told, but am unsure of this information |
| 03:57.18 | herlo | can one use the mysql client with the my.cnf in the current directory (or some search path) to control what server and/or port, etc. ?? |
| 03:57.34 | herlo | I cannot find examples of such configurations... |
| 03:57.52 | herlo | as far as I can tell, it's all server configs |
| 04:00.40 | influx | man |
| 04:00.48 | influx | had to do some damage control |
| 04:00.51 | influx | Thanks, Facebook. |
| 04:01.09 | herlo | influx: for what? |
| 04:01.23 | herlo | took long enough! |
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| 04:02.12 | influx | There were some hiccups on Facebook, which led things to appear as though I had defriended a couple of people I know. |
| 04:02.31 | influx | Prior to the mirage, one of the two people had left a comment on a status update of mine. |
| 04:02.54 | herlo | oh |
| 04:02.55 | influx | This all happened while I was away. |
| 04:03.08 | herlo | and they were mad? It's a webapp after all, not reality |
| 04:03.26 | influx | No, they weren't mad. |
| 04:03.47 | herlo | that's good |
| 04:03.58 | influx | But I, being who I am, decided to call them up (they're married; I've known them since high school) and clear things up. |
| 04:05.03 | herlo | indeed |
| 04:05.13 | herlo | that's nice of you |
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| 04:41.06 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 04:41.06 | raifbot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that TodPunk is stuck to the floor. |
| 04:41.24 | herlo | w00t! figured out mysql client configs for my camps |
| 04:42.12 | ninnypants | josephscott: shouldn't that be glue gun? |
| 04:42.16 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 04:42.16 | raifbot | Death once had a near-Chuck Norris experience |
| 04:42.26 | ninnypants | $lart chuck norris |
| 04:42.26 | raifbot | ninnypants are you insane? I'm not risking a round house kick from Chuck just to satisfy your lart'ing needs. |
| 04:42.28 | josephscott | ninnypants: hehe, yeah, probably |
| 04:43.30 | josephscott | ninnypants: lart text updated, s/clue/glue/ |
| 04:44.58 | ninnypants | heh wasn't sure if there was a clue gun and I just wasn't nerdy enough to know about it |
| 04:47.05 | influx | $lart internet |
| 04:47.05 | raifbot | whacks internet upside the head. |
| 04:47.55 | ninnypants | influx: bad connection? |
| 04:51.22 | influx | Yeah, on the part of the site. |
| 04:51.37 | ninnypants | ahh |
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| 05:07.55 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 05:07.56 | raifbot | Chuck Norris hears sign language |
| 05:08.18 | influx | looool |
| 05:09.37 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 05:09.38 | raifbot | The best part of waking up is not Folgers in your cup, but knowing that Chuck Norris didn't kill you in your sleep. |
| 05:09.58 | influx | ahahaha |
| 05:10.41 | ninnypants | influx: working on anything cool lately? |
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| 05:14.15 | influx | Not codewise. |
| 05:14.26 | influx | I am working on a super secret project with a friend though. |
| 05:14.36 | influx | I'm handling the artwork. |
| 05:14.37 | herlo | 'super secret'! |
| 05:14.40 | influx | :# |
| 05:14.48 | influx | i've said too much |
| 05:17.15 | herlo | haha |
| 05:17.19 | herlo | sure you did |
| 05:17.49 | influx | kidding. |
| 05:17.50 | influx | It's a comic. |
| 05:18.05 | influx | I'm editing the script for the first two strips. |
| 05:18.31 | influx | Then I'll start on illustration while the writer keeps writing. |
| 05:18.41 | influx | Looking to build a buffer zone of about a month. |
| 05:18.45 | influx | -zone |
| 05:22.03 | herlo | cool |
| 05:25.00 | TuxToaster | Chuck Norris ended the song that never ends. |
| 05:26.05 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 05:26.05 | raifbot | Chuck Norris died 20 years ago, Death just hasn't built up the courage to tell him yet. |
| 05:26.14 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 05:27.07 | TuxToaster | Chuck Norris can finish Mario Bros without using the jump button. |
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| 05:28.08 | josephscott | TuxToaster: added those two i |
| 05:28.16 | mgeary | ninnypants: ping |
| 05:28.27 | TuxToaster | heh |
| 05:28.42 | TuxToaster | there are some decent new ones that I haven't seen before |
| 05:28.59 | TuxToaster | In ancient China there is a legend that one day a child will be born from a dragon, grow to be a man, and vanquish evil from the land. That man is not Chuck Norris, because Chuck Norris killed that man. <-- lol |
| 05:29.15 | TuxToaster | probably the longest one yet. |
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| 05:30.32 | josephscott | added |
| 05:31.15 | TuxToaster | :-) |
| 05:31.39 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: that's awesome |
| 05:32.38 | TuxToaster | hehe yup. got looking at the list and actually found some new ones. Some are still pretty lame but some good. |
| 05:34.29 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 05:34.30 | raifbot | Remember the Soviet Union? They decided to quit after watching a DeltaForce marathon on Satellite TV. |
| 05:34.46 | TuxToaster | one more and then I'm going to bed: Chuck Norris rang the Liberty Bell once. He cracked it. |
| 05:34.59 | TuxToaster | urm... that wasn't a chuck fact. lol |
| 05:35.07 | TuxToaster | o |
| 05:35.08 | TuxToaster | wait |
| 05:35.10 | TuxToaster | nm |
| 05:35.24 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 05:35.24 | raifbot | Chuck Norris once kicked a horse in the chin. Its decendants are known today as Giraffes. |
| 05:37.02 | ninnypants | josephscott: is WP 3.1 launching tomorrow? |
| 05:37.44 | josephscott | ninnypants: anything is possible :-) |
| 05:38.46 | ninnypants | so this may or may not be true ;p http://twitter.com/#!/nacin/statuses/40282755770236928 |
| 05:39.12 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: yes. It may, or it may not. |
| 05:39.13 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 05:39.42 | ninnypants | w00t! mention the word blog on twitter and I already have people offering me jobs |
| 05:40.41 | ninnypants | or I will once my server get's done choking |
| 05:41.02 | josephscott | there is a plan to get the next release out the door, but delays are always possible |
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| 06:00.08 | herlo | ninnypants: wow, nice |
| 06:01.27 | ninnypants | hey herlo |
| 06:04.10 | herlo | ninnypants: hi |
| 06:05.08 | ninnypants | herlo: bed frames are terrible |
| 06:05.31 | ninnypants | though washing machines are much worse |
| 06:06.41 | herlo | eh, not too bad actually |
| 06:06.45 | herlo | just tiring |
| 06:06.56 | herlo | ninnypants: agreed on the washing machiens |
| 06:06.59 | ninnypants | what kind of bed frames |
| 06:07.29 | ninnypants | yeah the one I put in yesterday took all day between running hoses and getting tools/parts |
| 06:08.04 | ninnypants | though it turns out I can still lift and carry a dish washer on my own |
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| 06:15.09 | herlo | well, one was a calfornia king |
| 06:15.17 | herlo | the other was a twin |
| 06:15.25 | herlo | but could size up to a cal king |
| 06:16.03 | herlo | oh, dishwashers aren't as bad as washing machines. I just call one of two brothers |
| 06:16.07 | herlo | :) |
| 06:16.57 | ninnypants | yeah dish washers don't seem to hold as much water in them once you're done as washing machines do either |
| 06:22.32 | ninnypants | dang I've had to regen these thumbnails 5 or so times now because I keep forgetting to upload a file... |
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| 17:04.06 | TuxToaster | josephscott: on your bot reload code, you just call include on the file again right? |
| 17:04.23 | josephscott | yep |
| 17:04.43 | josephscott | that way the function definitions all get updated |
| 17:04.58 | josephscott | ninnypants: yes, WP 3.1 shipped today :-) |
| 17:07.15 | TuxToaster | ok, trying to get it working on mine |
| 17:07.40 | TuxToaster | I think the difference is I'm trying to make it work by receiving a command rather than changing the SmartIRC source |
| 17:08.55 | josephscott | my resets via the command line |
| 17:08.59 | josephscott | kill -HUP <pid> :-) |
| 17:09.11 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 17:10.04 | TuxToaster | I might go that route, but was hoping to allow a reload command for this one since the people using it aren't necessarily going to be ssh'ed in |
| 17:12.47 | josephscott | would be easy enough to send the HUP signal to the pid via other means |
| 17:14.12 | TuxToaster | true |
| 17:16.06 | TuxToaster | is your actual class definition in the include, or just the methods? |
| 17:16.24 | TuxToaster | finally figured out my issue (wasn't binding the handler for the method) |
| 17:18.07 | TuxToaster | but now it is telling me it can't redeclare the class, so I'm guessing you might just have your method definitions in the include |
| 17:19.02 | josephscott | all of my functions are anonymous code blocks stored in a single array |
| 17:20.17 | josephscott | and those code blocks are stored in the files that I include |
| 17:20.46 | TuxToaster | ah they were all anonymous |
| 17:20.49 | TuxToaster | that's probably why. |
| 17:21.01 | TuxToaster | and you didn't use the actionhandler stuff so much |
| 17:21.23 | josephscott | only one real action handler, that then did all the work of figuring out which command to use |
| 17:21.25 | TuxToaster | right |
| 17:21.50 | TuxToaster | I might just end up doing that as well, because the built-in one doesn't seem to be as flexible with patterns as I'd like |
| 17:22.15 | TuxToaster | I mean, it's good, but I don't think you can pass regex flags to it for case insensitivity, etc. |
| 17:22.59 | TuxToaster | plus it insists on calling class methods so if I pass everything to one method then calling an anon function from there is easy |
| 17:24.49 | josephscott | yep, I wanted the flexibility at a level I had more control over |
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| 17:45.16 | fungus | lol, easiest wordpress upgrade yet. |
| 17:45.17 | fungus | svn switch http://core.svn.wordpress.org/tags/3.1 |
| 17:47.35 | josephscott | yep, there are a few different options for easy updates to WP |
| 17:48.01 | josephscott | if it takes you more than 2 minutes to update your WP install then you probably need to review your setup |
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| 17:52.37 | TuxToaster | josephscott: in other words, "UR DOIN' IT WRONG." lol |
| 17:52.46 | josephscott | pretty much :-) |
| 17:53.03 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 17:53.11 | TuxToaster | doh |
| 17:53.15 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 17:53.15 | ibot | blasts xmjohn to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 17:53.20 | josephscott | what? |
| 17:53.42 | TuxToaster | josephscott: Chuck Norris killed him in his sleep. |
| 17:53.52 | xmjohn | heynow |
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| 17:53.58 | TuxToaster | yay |
| 17:54.03 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 17:54.05 | raifbot | chops xmjohn in half with a free Solaris 7 CD. |
| 17:54.06 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 17:54.10 | TuxToaster | so much for random. |
| 17:54.16 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 17:54.16 | SunSparc | xmjohn: Collateral damamge. :) |
| 17:54.17 | raifbot | In fine print on the last page of the Guinness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Chuck Norris, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone else has ever gotten. |
| 17:54.37 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:54.40 | xmjohn | pretty sure I have older Solaris media |
| 17:55.01 | josephscott | may need to reboot the box raifbot is on in a few minutes |
| 17:55.21 | josephscott | nope, I think we are ok |
| 17:55.28 | josephscott | $weather sandy, UT |
| 17:55.29 | raifbot | josephscott - current weather for sandy, UT - Partly Cloudy 36f / 2c Humidity: 52% Wind: S at 2 mph |
| 17:57.09 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 17:57.10 | raifbot | frags stderr with his BFG9000. |
| 17:57.28 | TuxToaster | and one more for good measure |
| 17:57.31 | TuxToaster | $lart himself |
| 17:57.32 | raifbot | takes out a cattle prod and gives himself a good jolt. |
| 17:57.43 | TuxToaster | ouch. that's funny to picture. |
| 18:02.34 | josephscott | carmony: what's the new redis use? |
| 18:02.49 | carmony | we want to track the # of times when a user is reported |
| 18:03.12 | carmony | and if they get reported so many times by so many users in a certain period of time, we auto-ban them |
| 18:03.50 | carmony | So this is quick with Redis, and it will only track a user's reports for the last 30 days since I can have the records expire. |
| 18:04.02 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 18:04.48 | josephscott | cool |
| 18:07.20 | carmony | redis is great for auto-pruning data |
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| 18:51.22 | josephscott | I feel so dirty using '00' as a day value in mysql tables |
| 18:52.58 | tierra | as you should you dirty hippie! |
| 19:06.57 | mindjuju | $8ball i'm going to be building IP tables this afternoon, am i going to lock myself out of the server? |
| 19:06.57 | raifbot | mindjuju - Very doubtful. |
| 19:10.34 | josephscott | oh man, just realized a way I can make that better! |
| 19:20.41 | carmony | lol |
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| 19:32.29 | mgeary | BAM |
| 19:32.30 | mgeary | i'm good |
| 19:33.12 | josephscott | the short version of why dropbox is more popular than the alternatives - http://www.quora.com/Dropbox/Why-is-Dropbox-more-popular-than-other-programs-with-similar-functionality - "no, shut up" |
| 19:36.09 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:37.34 | TuxToaster | $8ball is your e-mail working today? |
| 19:37.35 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Outlook good. |
| 19:37.38 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 19:41.34 | josephscott | some how that never gets old |
| 19:46.32 | mindjuju | for all you yahoos that haven't played halflife 2.2, here's your chance - http://store.steampowered.com/app/420/ |
| 19:46.36 | mindjuju | $2 |
| 19:46.53 | mindjuju | if you don't have the $$, i got some weeds you can pull and i'll pay ya the $2 |
| 19:47.41 | mindjuju | $8ball are we going to hear about hl2.3 by E3 time? |
| 19:47.41 | raifbot | mindjuju - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 19:49.04 | TuxToaster | josephscott: agreed |
| 19:49.09 | mindjuju | $8ball are we going to hear about hl2.3 by E3 time? |
| 19:49.09 | raifbot | mindjuju - Most likely. |
| 19:49.14 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:49.34 | TuxToaster | $raifbot was it awesome that ibot bought mindjuju 12 bras yesterday? |
| 19:49.38 | TuxToaster | err |
| 19:49.41 | TuxToaster | doh |
| 19:49.45 | TuxToaster | $8ball was it awesome that ibot bought mindjuju 12 bras yesterday? |
| 19:49.46 | raifbot | TuxToaster - You may rely on it. |
| 19:49.48 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 19:50.37 | mindjuju | using them as catapults @tuxtoaster |
| 19:50.47 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:55.04 | mindjuju | so, what is this crontask going to do |
| 19:55.07 | mindjuju | */15 * * * * /etc/init.d/iptables stop |
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| 19:55.16 | mindjuju | i'm hoping that it says, turn off the iptables |
| 19:55.20 | mindjuju | (every 15 minutes) |
| 19:55.37 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:55.44 | mindjuju | love it, thx |
| 19:55.57 | mindjuju | if i foob it up, i want a way back in |
| 19:56.02 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:56.02 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 20:04.25 | TuxToaster | yay, listening to random off-the-cuff plans to deploy 10 servers to handle our eCommerce sites. |
| 20:04.30 | TuxToaster | one box has been handling it just fine. |
| 20:06.34 | mindjuju | so all things being equal, if i've dumped in several iptable rules and I'm still connected and everything, and i've tested, then I should be ok, no? |
| 20:06.40 | mindjuju | i iptable saved and then restarted |
| 20:08.34 | thebigdog | mindjuju: that sounds about right |
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| 20:19.18 | mindjuju | ~thebigdog++ |
| 20:22.10 | josephscott | carmony: have you seen http://webd.is/ ? |
| 20:22.17 | carmony | hahaha |
| 20:22.22 | carmony | I was just looking at it |
| 20:22.23 | josephscott | redis with an HTTP API, FTW! |
| 20:22.24 | carmony | liek |
| 20:22.26 | carmony | litterly |
| 20:22.39 | carmony | I loaded that page, and then I saw my coloquy pop up |
| 20:23.00 | josephscott | :-) |
| 20:23.42 | SunSparc | http://t.co/uwjecYH |
| 20:25.06 | carmony | SunSparc: I saw that |
| 20:25.18 | SunSparc | carmony: What do you think about i? |
| 20:25.21 | SunSparc | it |
| 20:26.42 | fungus | I say, Finally!. But perhaps too little, too late |
| 20:27.13 | carmony | well, setting aside the actual bill it is about, I think the president ordering the Justice Office to stop defending a bill is inappropriate at best. If he wished to have that brought about, he should go through the traditional channels |
| 20:27.14 | josephscott | as a principle, I really don't like the idea of the president picking and choosing which laws to enforce |
| 20:27.30 | josephscott | similar problem with governors of states as well, that often do the same thing |
| 20:28.03 | fungus | josephscott, he's not doing anything about enforcement. |
| 20:28.19 | stderr | lol |
| 20:28.23 | fungus | He's just stopping the defense of the legal challenges against it. |
| 20:28.32 | josephscott | refusing to defend court cases is lack of enforcement |
| 20:28.46 | stderr | The DoJ is in the executive branch. The President can tell it to do whatever he wants it to do, pretty much. |
| 20:29.11 | fungus | josephscott, no it's not. It's still enforced, until it becomes overturned. |
| 20:29.15 | stderr | he's not ordering any reversal of laws. |
| 20:29.26 | stderr | He's saying that the executive branch will stop defending the DOMA. |
| 20:29.39 | stderr | Take a government class. |
| 20:29.41 | josephscott | and what do you think will happen to court cases when there is no opposing side? |
| 20:29.50 | fungus | He's allowing the normal legal process to continue, without using the DoJ to pay for the defense |
| 20:29.53 | stderr | there are opposing sides. |
| 20:29.58 | stderr | It'll go to the Supreme Court. |
| 20:30.07 | stderr | this is uh, America 101. |
| 20:30.15 | fungus | josephscott, example. California refused to defend Prop 8. Someone else did so. |
| 20:30.28 | fungus | Same thing with DoJ vs DOMA |
| 20:31.03 | josephscott | perhaps I'm missing something then, the government no longer has the responsibility to defend the law? |
| 20:31.04 | stderr | if anything, the most unconstitutional part about this is the executive branch using it's power over the DoJ to prohibit the argument re: DOMA from moving forward. |
| 20:31.04 | carmony | District Attorneys has a responsibility to defend the law. But fast tracking it to the Surpreme Court I think is inappropriate. |
| 20:31.07 | stderr | Not the other way around. |
| 20:31.14 | fungus | You could consider it a win for "smaller government" |
| 20:31.59 | stderr | josephscott: you do realize "the gubmint" is segregated into different branches, right? |
| 20:32.10 | josephscott | "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." |
| 20:32.22 | josephscott | unless I disagree with a law, then we'll pull out :-) |
| 20:32.23 | fungus | josephscott, exactly! |
| 20:32.32 | fungus | he disagrees that it is constitutional |
| 20:32.35 | stderr | ... he didn't pull anything out. What the hell are you talking about. |
| 20:32.42 | fungus | Hence defending the constitution |
| 20:32.45 | thebigdog | mindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zligio51yP4 |
| 20:32.51 | stderr | did you guys even pay attention in high school. |
| 20:32.54 | fungus | DOMA is not part of the constitution |
| 20:33.33 | stderr | We need to require every citizen to take the citizenship test, apparently. |
| 20:33.37 | mindjuju | how about you guys just argue the points and quit attacking intelligence or the person |
| 20:33.49 | josephscott | I'm pretty sure we have a group of people responsible for determining what is constitutional, as stderr so eloquently puts it: duh! |
| 20:34.00 | stderr | ... right. |
| 20:34.01 | fungus | exactly. |
| 20:34.15 | stderr | that's the, uh, whole point. |
| 20:34.36 | fungus | This action, will let the correct group of people make that determination w/o the gov't being in charge of the defense. |
| 20:34.42 | josephscott | if he wants to not support a current law, get congress to remove it |
| 20:34.59 | stderr | ... he hasn't REMOVED a LAW. |
| 20:35.28 | josephscott | are you reading what I said, if he doesn't want to support a law that is on the books, get congress to remove it |
| 20:35.41 | fungus | Why not just let the normal process continue, and let it die via it's un-constitutionality. |
| 20:35.50 | josephscott | I didn't claim he removed a law, simply that he clearly doesn't want to support it |
| 20:35.54 | carmony | but he has asked the DoJ to not defend it. |
| 20:36.24 | stderr | so what if he doesn't want to support it? The Executive branch doesn't need to support nor not support anything insofar as laws go. |
| 20:36.31 | stderr | it, in fact, SHOULDN'T. |
| 20:37.37 | carmony | I don't think the president has broken any laws, or abused his powers, but my personal opinion is it is inappropriate to ask someone to selectively not defend a bill in court when challenging it. |
| 20:37.50 | stderr | ... the DoJ withdraws _all the time_. |
| 20:37.56 | stderr | that's how it works. |
| 20:38.03 | thebigdog | mindjuju: your new name http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6YE3xkdPR4 |
| 20:38.30 | mindjuju | :), nice |
| 20:40.10 | josephscott | stderr: I don't think having something happen all the time discounts the opinion of someone else thinking that it is wrong, or not the right thing to do |
| 20:40.57 | mindjuju | @thebigdog - so with this - iptables -A INPUT -s 69.x.x.x -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:41.07 | stderr | All Obama is doing is concuring with the highest judge so far who has ruled on Section 3. |
| 20:41.08 | mindjuju | does that just allow ssh for the specified ip? |
| 20:41.27 | stderr | (Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution, Section 3, that is) |
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| 20:44.32 | thebigdog | mindjuju: that would allow incoming connections on port 22 |
| 20:44.43 | thebigdog | mindjuju: is that what you are trying to do |
| 20:45.04 | TuxToaster | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/02/23/1813242/Employer-Facebook-Password-Requests-Suspended?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher <--- stupidest policy I've ever heard of |
| 20:45.07 | mindjuju | wanted to restrict it so that only the ip address 69.x.x.x could connect to it |
| 20:45.14 | mindjuju | to port 22 |
| 20:45.31 | fungus | that would take two rules |
| 20:45.31 | stderr | josephscott: "President Obama told Holder that the Executive Branch of the government will continue to enforce Section 3 âconsistent with the Executiveâs obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, unless and until Congress repeals Section 3 or the judicial branch renders a definitive verdict against the lawâs constitutionality. This course of action respects the actions of the prior Congress that enacted DOMA, and it recognizes ... |
| 20:45.37 | stderr | ... the judiciary as the final arbiter of the constitutional claims raised." |
| 20:45.44 | fungus | mindjuju, 1 to allow that IP address, and another to deny the rest |
| 20:46.02 | fungus | Your rule itself would suffice the first rule. |
| 20:46.17 | mindjuju | k, so just make another rule |
| 20:46.18 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 20:46.27 | fungus | A default policy of DROP or REJECT would suffice for the second |
| 20:46.36 | fungus | Or you could just add another rule to block the rest. |
| 20:46.52 | fungus | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP |
| 20:47.09 | mindjuju | :) thx! |
| 20:47.52 | stderr | josephscott: basically, the executive branch is getting out of the way so that the legislative branch (Congress), and the judicial branch (the courts), can both have a crack at it. |
| 20:47.59 | thebigdog | yeah drop/reject all other connections |
| 20:48.04 | stderr | which is what you want, isn't it? |
| 20:49.37 | thebigdog | mindjuju: you just using iptables? |
| 20:49.42 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 20:49.48 | mindjuju | is there something else? |
| 20:51.07 | fungus | There are fancy front-ends to iptables, if you want. |
| 20:51.15 | thebigdog | i guess it depends on what you want |
| 20:51.23 | fungus | not really necessary in most cases, IMHO |
| 20:51.42 | thebigdog | i just thought you were using shorewall, iirc |
| 20:55.31 | mindjuju | is shorewall for the console? |
| 20:56.12 | thebigdog | no it is a set of scripts |
| 20:56.51 | mindjuju | i wasn't really playing on installing a whole bunch |
| 20:57.08 | mindjuju | in fact, i was just hoping to install apachetop or munin and something for monitoring mysql |
| 20:57.19 | mindjuju | but need to read up on those before i install |
| 20:57.47 | thebigdog | i thought that you had it on there already is all |
| 20:57.53 | mindjuju | oh |
| 20:57.57 | thebigdog | i remember you asking questions about it a while ago |
| 20:58.03 | thebigdog | so i figured you where still using it |
| 20:58.06 | fungus | yeah, skip shorewall, you are smart enough to handle iptables. |
| 20:58.17 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:58.37 | mindjuju | plus i just finishing 10 pages of docs on iptables |
| 20:58.49 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:12.17 | TuxToaster | josephscott / carmony / anyone else... thoughts on storing entire sessions in memcache or redis? |
| 21:12.49 | josephscott | depending on the situation, don't do sessions as all |
| 21:13.05 | TuxToaster | we are discussing the session stuff we do right now, we hit a mysql box that has a database on a ramdisk (because he's obsessed with in-memory databases) |
| 21:13.52 | TuxToaster | well, right now I have memcached keeping track of a few global configuration arrays in memory on each webserver (3 of them currently) |
| 21:13.52 | josephscott | lol |
| 21:14.06 | carmony | memcache is pretty painless to setup for sessions |
| 21:14.46 | TuxToaster | but then I use the PHP session to track things like when the user searches and begins a reservation, it stores their session data like what dates they picked, info they've entered, etc. |
| 21:15.03 | TuxToaster | and if they hit any of the three boxes it can pull it back up easily |
| 21:15.19 | TuxToaster | but seems like with a custom session wrapper most if not all of that could be stored into memcache or redis easily |
| 21:15.25 | fungus | My piece of advice, don't use files for sessions. |
| 21:15.32 | TuxToaster | I don't, it's all DB |
| 21:15.46 | carmony | http://www.justincarmony.com/blog/2010/09/15/sharing-sessions-across-multiple-servers-with-memcache/ |
| 21:15.50 | TuxToaster | just seems like could save some overhead and be more efficient |
| 21:15.53 | fungus | Files are nice for small and simple, but break easily |
| 21:16.07 | TuxToaster | carmony: you rock. |
| 21:16.49 | TuxToaster | so you can just set save_handler to memcache? seriously? |
| 21:17.10 | josephscott | for web apps, I generally recommend leveraging the stateless nature of HTTP/PHP and not use sessions at all |
| 21:17.31 | TuxToaster | I'd have figured I would need to write an interface to do it, which I still might do for customization |
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| 21:18.32 | TuxToaster | well, the reason I use the sessions is to keep track of reservations between pages and between different servers |
| 21:18.55 | TuxToaster | could do some of that directly into memcache I guess, but the session seems to handle it well |
| 21:19.51 | josephscott | and now you have 2 primary data stores that can't go down instead of 1 |
| 21:19.52 | carmony | you just need to be careful -how- you use sessions. You can shoot yourself in the foot and introduce bugs, but if you keep only the absolute needed information in your sessions, then you should be fine |
| 21:20.19 | fungus | TuxToaster, can't you do that with client side storage of some sort? |
| 21:20.39 | TuxToaster | fungus: I could with some of it |
| 21:21.16 | fungus | I like josephscott's idea. Simple is good. |
| 21:21.22 | TuxToaster | but some I can't. the part I'm dealing with right now are airline reservation systems, and much of what gets stored into the session is reservation and flight data |
| 21:21.43 | josephscott | you can store that info in the DB, associated with the user account |
| 21:22.19 | TuxToaster | yeah, the biggest obstacle with that isn't code related, it's trying to change certain mindsets that we need to avoid touching the database. :P |
| 21:22.30 | josephscott | I'm not saying using sessions is impossible, but that it brings in a new set of trade offs, issues that people commonly gloss over because it works "most of the time" |
| 21:22.58 | TuxToaster | they actually work really well for what we are using them for |
| 21:23.03 | josephscott | TuxToaster: just tell the memcached is a database :-) |
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| 21:23.36 | josephscott | s/just tell the/just tell them/ |
| 21:23.41 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:24.25 | josephscott | my point was, that in general you have two main points that have to stay up or your system dies: application (web servers) and database |
| 21:24.36 | josephscott | where database means mysql or whatever |
| 21:24.39 | TuxToaster | right |
| 21:24.42 | josephscott | you've now introduces a third |
| 21:25.02 | TuxToaster | yup, that's true with memcache in general though |
| 21:25.03 | carmony | this is correct |
| 21:25.06 | carmony | well |
| 21:25.11 | carmony | if it is a PURE cache |
| 21:25.16 | carmony | then your app would just hit the DB |
| 21:25.30 | TuxToaster | true |
| 21:25.43 | TuxToaster | right now it is a true cache |
| 21:25.57 | TuxToaster | if the cache isn't there, it just hits the db and attempts to populate the cache |
| 21:26.20 | josephscott | TuxToaster: no, it isn't |
| 21:26.27 | josephscott | right, most people use it as a cache, not as the sole data storage |
| 21:26.54 | TuxToaster | josephscott: it isn't a cache the way I'm using it? |
| 21:27.21 | josephscott | which means when most people switch to using it for sessions, they don't realize they'd now made it the primary data storage |
| 21:27.37 | josephscott | TuxToaster: where else besides memcached are you storing the session data? |
| 21:27.56 | fungus | TuxToaster, depends on how your app handles having no session at all when it breaks. |
| 21:28.07 | TuxToaster | right now we are only using memcached for the cache, the sessions are in a database |
| 21:28.22 | TuxToaster | just considering using it for sessions |
| 21:28.53 | fungus | If your app can continue w/o the session data, and gracefully degrade, it's probably not a big deal. |
| 21:28.53 | josephscott | if the only copy of session data is in memcached, it is now as critical that memcached stay up and functional, just like your webs and dbs |
| 21:29.29 | josephscott | true, fungus brings up a good point |
| 21:29.38 | fungus | eg. shopping cart. Sessions are critical. |
| 21:30.06 | TuxToaster | right, which is essentially where we are at... if the session were to die, they'd have to start over |
| 21:30.26 | TuxToaster | but right now the db is a single point of failure as well |
| 21:30.53 | josephscott | that's a different challenge, at least right now you only have 1 :-) |
| 21:31.00 | fungus | TuxToaster, but if memcache dies, can they continue after starting over w/o any sessions at all. eg. in the mean time before you bring it back up. |
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| 21:31.08 | josephscott | imagine if you had two points where failure would be critical |
| 21:31.41 | fungus | Also, how would this starting over impact your sales conversions? |
| 21:32.30 | TuxToaster | well, one of the advantages of memcached in my mind was the ability to provide a group of servers rather than just one... BUT I haven't done that yet to see how that works in memcache (all of mine right now are local to the machine that uses them) |
| 21:32.48 | fungus | We are not saying it's a very bad thing to store sessions in memcache, just that there are some drawbacks which must be understood and accounted for. |
| 21:32.48 | josephscott | that is the question to ask, if memcached sessions failing means starting over, is starting over a critical item? |
| 21:32.49 | carmony | the real problem with sessions & memcache is if you have to restart the server or service, you lose all of that data. The websites we use memcache for sessions are more "social networking" sites, so ig we boot everyone out during a reboot, it sucks, but we don't really lose $$$ |
| 21:33.03 | TuxToaster | fungus: it definitely would cause an issue, which is why I want to make it more redundant |
| 21:33.39 | josephscott | so now you have three points that must scale instead of two, you are adding to your work load :-) |
| 21:33.43 | carmony | redis would offer "more" realiability, but even then right now you could lose a few minutes of data |
| 21:33.49 | fungus | memcache might be a bad choice for you, since you rely on sessions in a more critical manner. it doesn't have any redundancy options IIRC |
| 21:33.55 | TuxToaster | carmony: well, luckily we don't have to restart often, but point taken there. But, that's why I was wondering if redis was an option for the same type of things |
| 21:34.31 | carmony | You probably would be best off if you actually setup a mysql db for the sessions |
| 21:34.46 | TuxToaster | carmony: that's how it is right now :-) |
| 21:35.36 | TuxToaster | truth be told I'd just as soon leave it all in a database as it is. I've done tons of apps like that with no issues, just have to consider the options because he said so. :P |
| 21:35.43 | josephscott | or just not use sessions ;-) |
| 21:35.49 | carmony | lol, josephscott, you'll still need to have some sort of "session", just not using PHP's $_SESSION |
| 21:35.54 | josephscott | carmony: I suppose, depending on how you choose to define session |
| 21:36.26 | TuxToaster | josephscott: but then you'd be doing the same thing with something else. i.e. you'd have to store something in memcache or in a file or in a DB to keep track of stuff between pages |
| 21:37.02 | TuxToaster | so if you come to my booking engine, and pick a flight from SLC to JFK, I need to now store that somewhere so that your next page will know the details about the flight you picked |
| 21:37.23 | TuxToaster | so yeah, still a session in some form or another |
| 21:38.41 | TuxToaster | unless I pass everything with POST :P |
| 21:41.02 | TuxToaster | the nice thing with the sessions right now though is if you start booking, and the power goes out for a minute or something, you come back online and hit the front page, you get a nice message letting you know that you're in the middle of a booking and you can continue where you left off |
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| 21:53.17 | TuxToaster | not quite. |
| 21:53.17 | TuxToaster | But close. |
| 21:53.17 | TuxToaster | :-) |
| 21:53.17 | TuxToaster | oh hey, ibot came back at least. |
| 21:53.17 | TuxToaster | ~lart netsplit |
| 21:53.17 | ibot | squeezes netsplit till netsplit turns blue like papa smurf |
| 21:53.19 | TuxToaster | :/ |
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| 21:55.12 | carmony | lol |
| 22:03.03 | TuxToaster | wow. he's now testing our production app by DOS'ing it with 50 terminal windows each running 1,000 attempts on it |
| 22:03.14 | TuxToaster | just to prove that he thinks he fixed a networking issue. |
| 22:03.29 | TuxToaster | waiting on customers to call about slow response times... :/ |
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| 22:24.40 | mgeary | anyone have a quick tcpdump snippet that catches all tcp traffic? |
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| 22:35.17 | mgeary | hrm |
| 22:35.30 | mgeary | why would WireShark not see any interfaces? |
| 22:35.43 | mgeary | anyone ever used it on OS X? |
| 22:36.32 | mgeary | ah, perms |
| 22:36.37 | TuxToaster | I've tried |
| 22:36.50 | TuxToaster | I hate the X11 UI on it, makes it clunky. hehe |
| 22:37.05 | TuxToaster | not a big fan of anything X11 on OS X |
| 22:37.26 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:37.55 | mgeary | yeah |
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| 22:41.41 | jsmith | josephscott: Is that a bad thing? |
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| 22:41.43 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 22:41.43 | josephscott | I think the netsplit kill raifbot, I'll have to add in detection for that |
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| 22:41.43 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 22:41.43 | raifbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris. |
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| 22:41.44 | redroy | chuck facts are awesome |
| 22:42.10 | herlo | there we go |
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| 22:42.10 | influx | $8ball Do I stay or do I go now? |
| 22:42.10 | raifbot | influx - Signs point to yes. |
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| 22:44.27 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 22:44.27 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can build a snowman out of rain. |
| 22:44.38 | TuxToaster | $lart netsplit |
| 22:44.39 | raifbot | judo chops netsplit. |
| 22:45.18 | carmony | good night |
| 22:45.22 | carmony | blood = vs == |
| 22:45.25 | josephscott | what is the utah requiring silverlight to pay taxes thing? |
| 22:47.27 | ninnypants | josephscott: they don't want your money I guess |
| 22:47.39 | josephscott | is it this? http://taxexpress.utah.gov/ |
| 22:48.34 | josephscott | "Utah partnered with a software company in 2009 to implement our online tax management system, Taxpayer Access Point (TAP). TAP was upgraded recently and Microsoft Silverlight (similar to Adobe Flash) is a key part of this program." |
| 22:48.36 | josephscott | what!?!?!! |
| 22:49.01 | PoeticIntensity | money talks, I guess. |
| 22:49.06 | PoeticIntensity | I wonder how much they got bought out for... |
| 22:49.06 | DexterTheDragon | guess I can't pay taxes since it doesn't support linux |
| 22:49.10 | josephscott | turbotax has a great online tax service (has for years) and never needed silverlight |
| 22:49.34 | josephscott | I feel a blog post coming on |
| 22:49.48 | DexterTheDragon | I feel a class action coming on |
| 22:50.08 | ninnypants | heh :) |
| 22:50.37 | carmony | josephscott: lol |
| 22:50.56 | josephscott | I can't believe someone would go for this |
| 22:51.33 | josephscott | I need to dig up the Utah CIO, I met him once upon a time, that is a starting point to vent on this. unbelievable ! |
| 22:51.39 | influx | Their UI stinks. |
| 22:52.56 | influx | I decided to just pay for use of H&R Block's online system. |
| 22:53.56 | influx | Please do. |
| 22:53.59 | influx | I mean, comment. |
| 22:54.34 | mgeary | well, the one time i used them, many years ago, they couldn't even get my SSN correct. Didn't exactly fill me with confidence about the rest of the return |
| 22:54.46 | influx | Ah. |
| 22:55.08 | influx | Did you have an agent handle it for you? |
| 22:55.50 | mgeary | this was in, like, 1998. |
| 22:56.06 | mgeary | no online systems existed back then |
| 22:56.10 | Utah_Dave | H&R Block screwed me over with my taxes about 6 years ago when I first started working for myself. |
| 22:56.21 | mgeary | but now i just use an independent tax accountant, much happier |
| 22:56.40 | mgeary | and i still pay < $200 for what i feel is great, attentive service |
| 22:56.53 | Utah_Dave | yes, a good tax accountant is so worth it. And they aren't much more than H&R Block |
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| 22:57.57 | mindjuju | i've never had a problem with h&r, but then again, i've never used them |
| 22:58.17 | josephscott | hehe |
| 22:59.45 | josephscott | $lart silverlight |
| 22:59.46 | raifbot | turns silverlight into a lifesized tux doll. |
| 23:13.22 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:13.27 | TuxToaster | fitting punishment |
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| 23:28.51 | wps | can you do an OR in the ON condition of a join (MySQL)? |
| 23:29.08 | carmony | yes |
| 23:29.48 | carmony | you'll have to consider the performance implications since it can't use a simple , single index to do the lookups, but it works well |
| 23:31.05 | josephscott | explain is your friend |
| 23:31.32 | wps | would it be possible in a query to have a condition⦠|
| 23:31.50 | wps | if value equals a, join on b, else, join on c? |
| 23:31.59 | TuxToaster | if you're comparing one column with two values, i.e. ON col = 'valuea' OR col = 'valueb' you could potentially use ON col IN ('valuea', 'valueb') as well, might be more efficient |
| 23:32.34 | TuxToaster | not so much, because the resulting data wouldn't be consistent |
| 23:32.53 | wps | I guess I'll have to pull both and do the if in PHP |
| 23:32.59 | TuxToaster | usually you just join the tables and then handle any null columns after the fact |
| 23:33.10 | TuxToaster | you *can* do CASE statements |
| 23:33.16 | TuxToaster | in your select clause |
| 23:33.52 | TuxToaster | CASE value WHEN a THEN table1.col WHEN b THEN table2.col ELSE table3.col END as some_col |
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| 23:34.12 | TuxToaster | and some_col would then contain the value from one of the three tables depending on the conditions in the case |
| 23:34.23 | PoeticIntensity | any Real Salt Lake soccer fans out there? |
| 23:34.34 | PoeticIntensity | if so, I present you http://wearerealsaltlake.com |
| 23:34.49 | PoeticIntensity | (the latest from my little studio) |
| 23:35.14 | wps | I have a table of parents and another of children. If the parent has a favorite child assignment, I need to join against children ON the child ID. If the parent doesn't have a favorite child assignment, then I need to join against the child table and retrieve the youngest child. |
| 23:36.53 | mindjuju | hi supernovia |
| 23:38.50 | josephscott | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/control-flow-functions.html might help |
| 23:39.01 | *** join/#uphpu sheri (~sheri@vie-086-059-087-213.dsl.sil.at) |
| 23:39.01 | josephscott | case can do some goofy things |
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| 23:45.37 | supernovia | Oh hi mindjuju! |
| 23:45.48 | supernovia | Good job there, PoeticIntensity :) |
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| 23:45.56 | PoeticIntensity | thankee, supernovia |
| 23:46.06 | supernovia | :) |
| 23:46.15 | supernovia | or maybe that was this morning. it's been a blur. |
| 23:46.21 | supernovia | I didn't go home last night. |
| 23:46.36 | josephscott | is that good thing or bad thing? |
| 23:46.49 | TuxToaster | wps: can you paste your schema by chance? |
| 23:47.00 | TuxToaster | i.e. the SHOW CREATE TABLE statements for each table? |
| 23:47.07 | TuxToaster | possibly a snippet of some example rows |
| 23:47.17 | mindjuju | supernovia, i made the paper |
| 23:47.18 | wps | sure |
| 23:47.21 | supernovia | Both. My mom's washing machine is crappy, which is why it took so long to do my laundry that we ended up staying the night. |
| 23:47.35 | supernovia | woots mindjuju :-D which paper? |
| 23:47.39 | mindjuju | http://www.uvureview.com/2011/02/22/student-overdoses-in-library/ |
| 23:47.44 | supernovia | but on the bright side, my laundry is done |
| 23:48.00 | mindjuju | ugh, that reminds me, our laundry machine broken :( |
| 23:48.35 | mindjuju | $30 for 3 pieces of plastic |
| 23:48.40 | supernovia | nice mindjuju. but not about the laundry machine. |
| 23:48.48 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:48.56 | mindjuju | i had my little breathing mask, etc |
| 23:49.01 | TuxToaster | http://i.imgur.com/ZyeCO.jpg |
| 23:49.24 | josephscott | mindjuju: that was you giving CPR? |
| 23:49.25 | supernovia | man, I tell you whot. I threw my drugs down the disposal |
| 23:50.01 | mindjuju | actually, when I was there with him, his vitals were fast pulse, shallow breath, when the first responder arrived is when he stopped breathing |
| 23:50.06 | herlo | supernovia: was the G man coming!? |
| 23:50.06 | supernovia | my lungs hurt, but it's better that than be a space cadet |
| 23:50.08 | mindjuju | but FR didn't have mask |
| 23:50.11 | mindjuju | so i gave him mine |
| 23:50.12 | carmony | I just want to download at 10 MB/s... is that so much to ask? |
| 23:50.13 | carmony | lol |
| 23:50.23 | wps | TuxToaster: |
| 23:50.25 | supernovia | holy cow, I thought you were joking mindjuju |
| 23:50.25 | wps | http://d.pr/xHVp |
| 23:50.26 | supernovia | good job |
| 23:50.36 | supernovia | The G man? |
| 23:50.38 | mindjuju | nope, had to give police statement, everything |
| 23:50.40 | wps | the current query returns the favorite child |
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| 23:50.50 | herlo | carmony: it totally is in this day and age in the U.S. of A |
| 23:50.59 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: you carry a mask with you? |
| 23:51.08 | mindjuju | breathing mask for cpr, yes |
| 23:51.09 | TuxToaster | wps: one moment |
| 23:51.11 | wps | I need to enhance it to pull the youngest child (most recent created date) if exec_status!=1 |
| 23:51.22 | carmony | mindjuju: you in need of a HL2.3 fix? |
| 23:51.34 | mindjuju | @carmony, yes, totally |
| 23:51.46 | carmony | mindjuju: want me to call Gabe up and see whats going on? :P |
| 23:51.57 | mindjuju | you know gabe? |
| 23:52.02 | mindjuju | you'd better not |
| 23:52.06 | mindjuju | really? |
| 23:52.06 | carmony | Its been a few years |
| 23:52.08 | wps | wait⦠let me restate that |
| 23:52.15 | supernovia | Wow mindjuju, that is cool |
| 23:52.23 | mindjuju | yeah, tell him to quit giving interviews and finish hl 2.3 |
| 23:52.23 | TuxToaster | wps: got a couple of example rows for each? just to make sure I'm following right |
| 23:52.47 | wps | if exec_status=1, pull child that exre_id=exec_revision, else pull youngest child (most recent created date) |
| 23:53.39 | carmony | I made a website back in the day that got involved with Valve. One of my guys ended up being interviewed for a rollingstone article |
| 23:54.51 | wps | TuxToaster: http://d.pr/8aKA |
| 23:55.00 | wps | first output is select from parents |
| 23:55.06 | wps | second is output from children |
| 23:56.05 | TuxToaster | ok |
| 23:56.18 | supernovia | herlo I had to google g man. You better still be ducking :) |
| 23:56.25 | supernovia | ~lart herlo |
| 23:56.25 | ibot | executes killall -HUP herlo |
| 23:57.38 | herlo | lol |
| 23:57.50 | herlo | supernovia: you don't know what a G man is? |
| 23:59.27 | supernovia | I had to look it up :-p |
| 23:59.29 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:59.47 | supernovia | from not watching enough tv |
