| 00:33.36 | beandog | Okay |
| 00:33.41 | beandog | I thought you could do if(element) |
| 00:33.45 | beandog | and if it was undefined, it would return false |
| 00:33.46 | beandog | in JavaScript |
| 00:34.05 | SunSparc | Good evening. |
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| 02:10.05 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: if ( typeof element !== undefined ) |
| 02:10.20 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: thats too much work |
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| 02:34.51 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 02:34.52 | raifbot | Chuck Norris doesn't mow his lawn, he stands on the porch and dares it to grow |
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| 03:47.45 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 03:47.45 | raifbot | Chuck Norris uses tabasco as eye drops. |
| 03:48.00 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 03:48.00 | raifbot | Chuck Norris once went skydiving. He promised never to do it again. He said one Grand Canyon is enough. |
| 04:31.14 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 04:31.14 | raifbot | Bill Gates lives in constant fear that Chuck Norris' PC will crash. |
| 04:32.59 | TuxToaster | josephscott: how many chuck facts are there in the text file? |
| 04:33.20 | josephscott | TuxToaster: 105 |
| 04:33.34 | josephscott | happy to add more if you have suggestions |
| 04:34.18 | TuxToaster | will have to come up with some. Also thinking it might be an idea to have it keep track of ones that have recently been used, maybe? |
| 04:34.38 | josephscott | yep, that would be an improvement |
| 04:34.46 | TuxToaster | could just be the odds, but seems like a lot of them have shown up quite a few times. |
| 04:35.03 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 04:35.03 | raifbot | The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain. |
| 04:35.07 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 04:35.12 | TuxToaster | now that one's new to me. |
| 04:35.40 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 04:35.41 | raifbot | Chuck Norris is the only man to punch a cyclops between the eyes |
| 04:35.45 | TuxToaster | hah |
| 04:35.47 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 04:35.47 | raifbot | In fine print on the last page of the Guinness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Chuck Norris, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone else has ever gotten. |
| 04:37.32 | TuxToaster | hmm. Does he have "Chuck Norris CAN believe it's not butter" ? always loved that one. |
| 04:37.53 | josephscott | no |
| 04:38.24 | josephscott | added |
| 04:38.54 | TuxToaster | woot |
| 04:39.10 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 04:39.10 | raifbot | Noah needed two of ALMOST everything on the Arc; he only needed one Chuck Norris. |
| 04:39.15 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 04:39.32 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 04:39.33 | raifbot | drops a truckload of VAXen on bradym. |
| 04:40.21 | TuxToaster | ouch |
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| 05:02.16 | TuxToaster | $8ball is your e-mail full tonight? |
| 05:02.16 | raifbot | TuxToaster - My reply is no. |
| 05:02.28 | TuxToaster | good bot. Finally checked your inbox. |
| 05:03.00 | ninnypants | $8ball speaking of email has outlook gotten any better? |
| 05:03.00 | raifbot | ninnypants - Better not tell you now. |
| 05:03.08 | TuxToaster | ha |
| 05:03.13 | ninnypants | $8ball why not? |
| 05:03.14 | raifbot | ninnypants - It is certain. |
| 05:03.29 | ninnypants | $8ball what's certain? |
| 05:03.29 | raifbot | ninnypants - Most likely. |
| 05:03.31 | TuxToaster | $8ball it is certain that Outlook is still bad? |
| 05:03.31 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Signs point to yes. |
| 05:03.40 | ninnypants | heh :) |
| 05:03.52 | TuxToaster | $8ball should I force you to use Outlook Express? |
| 05:03.52 | raifbot | TuxToaster - My sources say no. |
| 05:03.55 | ninnypants | well at least $8ball didn't give you the run around |
| 05:04.06 | TuxToaster | yes, very direct tonight. |
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| 05:54.04 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 05:54.04 | raifbot | Chuck Norris built Rome in a day. |
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| 07:29.45 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 07:29.45 | raifbot | Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice. |
| 07:29.50 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 07:29.50 | raifbot | Only one person cried when Chuck Norris was born and that was the doctor.... no one slaps Chuck Norris |
| 07:30.04 | ninnypants | anyone around? |
| 07:37.34 | SunSparc | ninnypants: I am just signing off. Need something? |
| 07:50.10 | ninnypants | SunSparc: having issues with cookie values |
| 07:50.52 | SunSparc | Like what? |
| 07:52.14 | ninnypants | so I base64 encode a string to be set as the value set it, and that all works fine, but when I try to use the data on another page it's borked |
| 07:52.58 | SunSparc | Borked? |
| 07:53.04 | SunSparc | Like not there or changed? |
| 07:53.09 | ninnypants | I can copy and paste the base64 encoded string into a web based decoder and it decodes just fine it seems to be just when I decode it on php's end |
| 07:53.37 | ninnypants | the text is scrambled |
| 07:53.42 | ninnypants | <strongtï¿½ï¿½Ô ï¿½ï¿½="" 77v�&c�����="" ��Üy�\��\����k��[��[���x�[Û[��\���Ü�]oh�\���Ü��[���[����7b��w="" ���ÛÏ�[��Ü�x�\���Ü�h�y�h�����lm�n=""></strongt��Ô> |
| 07:53.46 | ninnypants | that's what it outputs |
| 07:54.36 | SunSparc | Does it start out with HTML in it? |
| 07:55.15 | ninnypants | yeah it's just the simple wordpress error string |
| 07:55.16 | ninnypants | <strong>ERROR</strong>: Incorrect password. <a href="http://s116986.gridserver.com/wp-login.php?action=lostpassword" title="Password Lost and Found">Lost your password</a>?<br /> |
| 07:57.47 | SunSparc | Hmm |
| 07:58.49 | SunSparc | That is weird that it is showing unknown characters. |
| 07:59.09 | ninnypants | yeah I just got it working |
| 07:59.10 | SunSparc | base64 does not have anything that is not in a standard ascii character set. |
| 07:59.17 | SunSparc | Yeah? |
| 07:59.51 | ninnypants | setcookie had been urlencoding it before so I added a urldecode to acount for that |
| 08:00.00 | ninnypants | the urldecode was messing it up for some reason |
| 08:00.15 | SunSparc | Right on. |
| 08:00.17 | SunSparc | Good job. |
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| 08:00.24 | ninnypants | not sure why it stopped urlencoding the value though... |
| 08:00.24 | SunSparc | Have a good night. |
| 08:00.30 | ninnypants | you too thanks |
| 08:00.32 | SunSparc | :) |
| 08:00.47 | ninnypants | ~SunSparc ++ |
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| 16:15.38 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: http://wins.failblog.org/2011/02/09/epic-win-photos-delicious-bacon-answer-win/ |
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| 16:45.19 | macnewbold | oooh bacon |
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| 16:45.33 | herlo | http://www.ignitesaltlake.com/ignite/index.cfm <-- I forgot this was tonight |
| 16:46.12 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: yup yup. iiiiiittttssss baacon! |
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| 17:41.53 | mgeary | i've got a client on the phone looking for a .NET programmer. Anyone want to bite? |
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| 17:49.09 | ninnypants | anyone have any idea why jquery might be returning a scrollHeight that is 300px less than what plain javascript is returning? |
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| 18:01.52 | UtahGuy25 | there's really a Utah group for PHP? cool. |
| 18:03.36 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 18:04.44 | UtahGuy25 | Thanks Tux... was wondering if I was talking to myself. |
| 18:05.13 | TuxToaster | in here... you might be. :-) |
| 18:05.31 | UtahGuy25 | good to know. |
| 18:05.55 | TuxToaster | (we all go a little crazy sometimes) |
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| 18:06.53 | UtahGuy25 | haven't been on IRC since the early days... just poking around getting reacquainted today. |
| 18:07.30 | romanovic | nice |
| 18:08.12 | romanovic | it's not all php in here though. i find it very helpful for any of my web development issues |
| 18:08.41 | UtahGuy25 | good to know. I'm a designer by trade but have been doing quite a bit of coding lately |
| 18:09.21 | romanovic | Also, mindjuju is always helpful when trying to decide where to go to lunch |
| 18:09.35 | UtahGuy25 | quite a slovic name you've got there romanovic... |
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| 18:09.55 | UtahGuy25 | good to know. |
| 18:10.30 | romanovic | yeah (not my real one) |
| 18:10.38 | UtahGuy25 | ahh gotcha. |
| 18:12.44 | romanovic | what kind of work do you do? |
| 18:13.49 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:13.49 | raifbot | keeps mailing pelaofeliz free America Online CDs until he drowns. |
| 18:14.00 | UtahGuy25 | mostly graphic (web + print) with a decent amount of html/css but have had a lot of clients recently wanting to do WordPress conversions, so been doing a lot of taht. |
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| 18:14.03 | UtahGuy25 | that. |
| 18:14.18 | TuxToaster | lol. raifbot likes those AOL CDs |
| 18:14.24 | pelaofeliz | coasters! |
| 18:14.44 | TuxToaster | lots of them. |
| 18:22.37 | influx | Ungh. I need comfort food. |
| 18:23.35 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 18:23.35 | raifbot | When Chuck Norris had surgery, the anesthesia was applied to the doctors. |
| 18:27.42 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:27.57 | josephscott | $weather sandy, ut |
| 18:27.57 | raifbot | josephscott - current weather for sandy, ut - Mostly Cloudy 29f / -2c Humidity: 63% Wind: SE at 1 mph |
| 18:29.32 | ninnypants | has anyone else run into scroll height issues with jquery? |
| 18:29.43 | ninnypants | namely on webkit browsers |
| 18:32.47 | DexterTheDragon | ninnypants: http://bugs.jqueryui.com/ticket/5912 |
| 18:36.51 | ninnypants | DexterTheDragon: hmm didn't find that one when googling though my conditions don't fit the ones described |
| 18:37.26 | ninnypants | oh well i hacked around it |
| 18:43.47 | TuxToaster | a coworker just sent me this interesting use for AOL CDs... http://cl.ly/1j3H2N002W0y3Z093d2i |
| 18:44.41 | ninnypants | heh i've seen that one I used to use throw them at chain link fences |
| 18:45.08 | herlo | TuxToaster: nice work. I don't get AOL CDs anymore or I'd do that :) |
| 18:47.42 | TuxToaster | yeah I think they've finally moved on from most of those |
| 18:47.45 | TuxToaster | I hope. |
| 18:48.55 | DexterTheDragon | aol needs the money to buy huffington post, so they can't send cds |
| 18:53.59 | carmony | macnewbold: I like the skullcandy valentine's campaign |
| 18:54.02 | josephscott | yeah, the reports I've seen are that carrier and vendor updates for android have really low rates |
| 18:54.46 | carmony | lol, AOL CDs... man... my youngest brother, I have some funny stories about him and those free CDs |
| 18:55.28 | carmony | he collected like 50 or more different versions of them |
| 18:55.51 | carmony | and he would take like 50 CDs at a time. So he had thousands of these things. He once made a "reflecto-knight" costume out of them |
| 18:56.09 | SunSparc | Back when I was single, my roommates and I collected them and started lining our apartment walls with them. Good times. |
| 18:56.26 | SunSparc | carmony: That is awesome. |
| 18:56.41 | SunSparc | Those things are fun in the microwave also. |
| 18:56.53 | carmony | once he was stopped by an employee who saw my brother with his coat and pants pockets bulging with stuff |
| 18:57.01 | carmony | and when I brother pulled out just AOL cds |
| 18:57.10 | carmony | the employee started to laugh so hard he was crying |
| 18:57.27 | carmony | my brother was probably 13 or 14 at the time, maybe younger |
| 18:58.05 | carmony | but oh, my mom would get so upset, cause she would find broken CD shards in the wash, cause he would wash his pants and forget he left a few in there. |
| 19:00.27 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 19:11.16 | Utah_Dave | hey, macnewbold, ping! |
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| 19:18.50 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: pong! I was thinking about you last night - you're presenting this month, right? |
| 19:19.06 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, that's the plan! :) |
| 19:19.11 | josephscott | if you liked the force commercial, now there is an outtakes video - http://josephscott.org/archives/2011/02/the-force-commercial/ |
| 19:19.14 | macnewbold | great! |
| 19:19.15 | macnewbold | i'm excited |
| 19:19.30 | Utah_Dave | I was hoping to get some input on a topic. |
| 19:20.03 | macnewbold | i do have to give fair warning though: my wife is due to have a baby 3 days after the meeting on Thursday the 17th, so there's a legitimate possibility i'll be out of commission on the day of the meeting. |
| 19:20.16 | macnewbold | i'm trying to find someone at Code Greene to cover for me if I can't be there |
| 19:20.17 | Utah_Dave | where's your priorities, macnewbold? |
| 19:20.21 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 19:20.29 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: i'm not sure, let me check with my wife |
| 19:20.35 | macnewbold | ;-D |
| 19:20.54 | Utah_Dave | I was thinking of doing a demo of Codeigniter, but I don't want it to turn into a flamewar about frameworks. |
| 19:22.03 | macnewbold | i don't think a codeigniter presentation would be a bad idea at all, but carmony left just after you mentioned it, so perhaps he was offended. |
| 19:22.15 | macnewbold | i don't know much about CI but would like to know a little more |
| 19:22.32 | macnewbold | even though i generally work with CakePHP rather than CI |
| 19:22.49 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, I know there's a lot of CakePHPer's here |
| 19:23.37 | Utah_Dave | I've found it helpful to see how other frameworks to things, and it's a good option to consider. |
| 19:23.55 | Utah_Dave | Are there any other topics people have requested? |
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| 19:32.33 | burnin | anyone do flash coding? :) |
| 19:37.47 | SunSparc | burnin: I work with a bunch of Flash coders. I played with Flex but I am not by any means suffiienct in it. |
| 19:38.07 | SunSparc | Wow, dig that spelling job of mine. |
| 19:38.22 | SunSparc | ~spell SunSparc |
| 19:38.52 | burnin | SunSparc: I have a client I've done some PHP work for that has a slightly broken flash slideshow made from SlideShowPro, I don't have the tools, knowledge or interest to fix flash. :) |
| 19:39.24 | burnin | http://www.zackseckler.com/book_one.html |
| 19:39.39 | burnin | the flash slideshow has some navigaton buttons and numbers in the upper left corner. |
| 19:39.57 | burnin | it is only showing one digit of a double digit number of images. |
| 19:40.09 | burnin | < 1 / 2 > should be something like < 1 / 27 > |
| 19:40.42 | burnin | SunSparc: if you know somebody who would like to quote this guy to fix it let me know and I'll forward the email. |
| 19:41.10 | SunSparc | burnin: http://bluesunhosting.com/pages/development |
| 19:41.16 | SunSparc | Take a look at Josh Buhler |
| 19:42.00 | burnin | that page comes up empty for me |
| 19:42.54 | mgeary | though Josh is better than I am at it |
| 19:43.33 | SunSparc | burnin: empty? |
| 19:43.57 | mgeary | burnin: it says 1/27 for me |
| 19:44.10 | mgeary | so it's possibly a font-specific/embedding kind of issue |
| 19:44.27 | mgeary | and no, i didn't *really* need to see a picture of giraffes humping today |
| 19:44.30 | mgeary | ;) |
| 19:45.07 | Utah_Dave | burnin: yeah, I see 1/27, too |
| 19:45.27 | Utah_Dave | If I increase the font size in my browser, then I see 1/2 |
| 19:46.07 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: same here, though if you increase it twice, 27 comes back |
| 19:46.11 | burnin | I figured it was probably a font size issue. |
| 19:46.15 | mgeary | burnin: you probably just need to make that text field a little wider |
| 19:46.27 | burnin | the page looks okay in the clients OS/X Safari browser but not in Chrome. |
| 19:46.43 | mgeary | that would further point to a font embedding kind of issue |
| 19:46.47 | burnin | In both Firefox and Chrome on my Fedora linux install it shows 1 / 2 |
| 19:47.10 | mgeary | burnin: do you have the FLA handy? |
| 19:47.21 | burnin | mgeary: I don't |
| 19:47.32 | burnin | all I have is the swf files and xml files for the slideshow. |
| 19:47.46 | mgeary | fun |
| 19:47.49 | burnin | :) |
| 19:48.05 | burnin | not sure if the client has the FLA files. |
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| 19:48.37 | mgeary | the XML file doesn't seem to provide for any sort of formatting option, so you'll either need to get the FLA or decompile the swf |
| 19:48.39 | burnin | once I found the navigation was part of the flash slideshow and there didn't appear to be parameters I could pass to adjust the navigation controls I was finished. |
| 19:48.53 | mgeary | i can help you with the latter, but that doesn't always provide optimal results |
| 19:49.32 | burnin | mgeary: actually I was hopeful to hand the client off to somebody that could resolve the issue. :) |
| 19:50.06 | mgeary | well, it's really probably a 2 minute fix, once you have the FLA |
| 19:50.35 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 19:50.35 | raifbot | teaches _psychic_ the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 19:51.29 | _psychic_ | Remember the milk? |
| 19:52.30 | herlo | $lart _psychic_ |
| 19:52.30 | raifbot | decapitates _psychic_ conan the destroyer style. |
| 19:52.44 | burnin | mgeary: I passed on the FLA question to the client. Do you want me to forward the clients email to you either way on the FLA? |
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| 20:00.56 | carmony | Utah_Dave: I would like a CodeIgniter demo :P |
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| 20:08.50 | Utah_Dave | ok, then that's what I'll do. Codeigniter, it is. Should be fun. |
| 20:15.32 | carmony | o....m....g.... |
| 20:15.41 | carmony | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700108714/Utah-Jazz-coach-Jerry-Sloan-to-resign.html?pg=1 |
| 20:16.12 | herlo | ya |
| 20:16.17 | herlo | it's all over facebook and the news |
| 20:18.26 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 20:18.30 | josephscott | bummer |
| 20:18.52 | josephscott | figure there is probably plenty more to that story that we will likely never know |
| 20:19.04 | josephscott | $8ball should I go to ignite tonight? |
| 20:19.04 | raifbot | josephscott - Most likely. |
| 20:19.17 | burnin | mgeary: no FLA file so it would require a decompile |
| 20:19.45 | SunSparc | burnin: Or a remake |
| 20:20.22 | burnin | SunSparc: yeah, he is asking now for a quote to remake the slideshows non-flash. :) |
| 20:20.46 | SunSparc | Good call. HTML5 or Ajax would be good options. |
| 20:24.00 | TuxToaster | if you tell every customer that you'll make their request top priority, is there even a priority at all? |
| 20:24.04 | TuxToaster | heh |
| 20:24.44 | SunSparc | Exactly. I know some project managers that say that for every request. Gets old really quick. |
| 20:29.19 | TuxToaster | yup, it does. |
| 20:29.50 | unum | that's on of things I like about where I work, they're very realisitic |
| 20:29.51 | TuxToaster | just listened to that being told to a customer just a bit after we had a discussion about the fact that we already have overcomitted our development time |
| 20:29.58 | unum | I only ever have one top priority |
| 20:30.11 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 20:31.00 | unum | and I can say that's going to take two weeks and they accept it |
| 20:31.18 | unum | and set my priorities according to my time estimates |
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| 20:49.28 | macnewbold | There are only two priorities for projects and tasks: currently top priority, and used to be top priority |
| 20:50.10 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:53.04 | thebigdog | let us not forget..."my priority" |
| 20:56.47 | carmony | I'd go to ignite, but Joanna isn't feel very well today |
| 20:57.18 | herlo | carmony: so leave and let her sleep :) |
| 20:57.26 | macnewbold | i think the d20 method for assigning priorities is pretty good |
| 20:57.38 | macnewbold | pick a task from the list, roll a d20 die, and that's the priority |
| 20:57.41 | herlo | macnewbold: you only have 20 priorities? |
| 20:57.42 | macnewbold | end of story |
| 20:58.01 | macnewbold | herlo: only 20 that matter... |
| 20:58.06 | herlo | haha |
| 20:58.14 | TuxToaster | herlo: that's when you have to combine rolls to figure out which ones make it into the top 20 |
| 20:58.19 | herlo | ignore the rest of the priorities |
| 20:58.33 | herlo | :P |
| 21:00.15 | carmony | ok, who wants to help me with a weird, tricky css/flex/i-am-going-tear-my-hair-out problem? |
| 21:00.28 | herlo | 'not I', said the pig |
| 21:01.14 | macnewbold | 'not I', said the monkey |
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| 21:01.26 | macnewbold | ~oatmeal |
| 21:28.30 | fungus | wow, really? An official state firearm? WTF? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51230265-76/story.csp |
| 21:29.00 | beandog | This state is embarrassing sometimes. |
| 21:29.10 | fungus | no kidding |
| 21:29.32 | beandog | I'm going to secede myself. |
| 21:30.08 | beandog | that or go live in wal-mart. |
| 21:30.33 | jsmith | The best paragraph in that article is: "An error has occurred while processing this request:" |
| 21:30.39 | josephscott | c'mon now, it isn't like some suggested that we print our own money and track our own gold currency. oh ... wait ... never mind |
| 21:30.50 | fungus | lol |
| 21:30.52 | jsmith | josephscott: I rest my case, your honor. No further questions. |
| 21:32.13 | josephscott | yeah, living in utah requires taking some things with a large grain of salt :-) |
| 21:32.30 | jsmith | Good thing there's plenty of salt in the lake :-) |
| 21:32.43 | josephscott | yep |
| 21:32.46 | jsmith | "There's something faulty with a lake that's salty." |
| 21:32.50 | josephscott | nice that someone gets my jokes ;-) |
| 21:32.52 | SunSparc | With all the salt I am required to take, sometimes it feels like I am choking on the stuff. |
| 21:33.05 | DexterTheDragon | pfft everyone knows glocks are better than M1911's |
| 21:33.07 | jsmith | SunSparc: And yet, you continue to hang out here :-) |
| 21:33.22 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:33.25 | carmony | lol |
| 21:33.35 | SunSparc | I guess I am a glutton for punishment. |
| 21:33.37 | carmony | every state has their embarrissing things |
| 21:33.44 | josephscott | good thing the state doesn't have a budget shortfall that the senate needs to help take care of ... oh ... wait ... never mind |
| 21:34.00 | josephscott | carmony: so true |
| 21:34.14 | SunSparc | What? We have an official cooking pot? |
| 21:34.38 | DexterTheDragon | is it a dutch oven? |
| 21:34.38 | jsmith | SunSparc: Aye! The Dutch Oven! |
| 21:34.46 | SunSparc | It is a darn good thing our legislators are spending so much time and money on such important issues. |
| 21:35.04 | jsmith | SunSparc: It's a good thing we don't get all the gov't we pay for! |
| 21:35.26 | SunSparc | :D |
| 21:35.32 | josephscott | lol! |
| 21:35.40 | SunSparc | They sure try. |
| 21:36.00 | josephscott | I remember when I discovered california had an official soil |
| 21:36.03 | josephscott | that was interesting |
| 21:36.27 | josephscott | http://www.pssac.org/castatesoil.htm |
| 21:38.48 | jsmith | Hey... Virginia has an official state beverage! |
| 21:39.24 | jsmith | (and an official state boat) |
| 21:39.32 | TuxToaster | ..... ok |
| 21:39.57 | TuxToaster | ah. read the link now. state soil? seriously/ |
| 21:40.48 | jsmith | Yup... San Joaquin soil :-/ |
| 21:41.31 | jsmith | SunSparc: Prozac :-p |
| 21:41.33 | mgeary | heh. "AP: Breaking news-- Egypt's vice-president tells protesters to go home". Really? that's breaking news? |
| 21:41.39 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:41.55 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 21:42.16 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: we can't be concered with that nonsense when we're talking about state items |
| 21:42.17 | josephscott | $google utah state soil |
| 21:42.18 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=utah+state+soil -- http://geology.utah.gov/surveynotes/gladasked/gladsoil.htm -- http://www.ut.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/soils/statesoil.html -- http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/utah/ |
| 21:42.49 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: did you see the recent legislation to install an official state firearm in utah? |
| 21:42.59 | mgeary | some people have way too much time on their hands |
| 21:43.11 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: must not have read the backlog |
| 21:43.16 | beandog | mgeary, you called? |
| 21:43.20 | mgeary | indeed |
| 21:44.07 | mgeary | burnin: i think re-incarnating that slideshow in HTML/JS is an excellent idea. There's really no value that Flash is bringing to the table there |
| 21:44.30 | mgeary | beandog: not recently, i think. Just yesterday with my Qs about ffmpeg. I was able to beat it into shape, though |
| 21:44.49 | beandog | mgeary, rawk |
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| 21:46.23 | macnewbold | carmony: if I were unable to attend next week's uphpu meeting, would you be willing to run the meeting? |
| 21:46.34 | carmony | macnewbold: sure |
| 21:47.00 | carmony | macnewbold: would you have someone from GC there w/ keys and such? |
| 21:47.32 | beandog | just leave the company credit card out |
| 21:47.32 | macnewbold | yeah, i've got at least Roxanne right now who says she could probably stay to unlock/lock |
| 21:47.44 | macnewbold | i'm still looking for someone who would actually be interested in the meeting :) |
| 21:47.49 | macnewbold | who is able to stay |
| 21:48.37 | macnewbold | Poor roxanne would just be doing it totally as a favor taking an extra 3-4 hours out of her evening. |
| 21:50.10 | mgeary | aaaaand it turns out Mubarak *won't* step down |
| 21:50.31 | beandog | shock. awe. |
| 21:50.33 | beandog | surprise. |
| 21:50.38 | beandog | raisin cookies. |
| 21:52.25 | mgeary | that's not a raise |
| 21:52.44 | beandog | seriously. |
| 21:53.05 | mgeary | butterscotch chips are teh suck |
| 21:53.17 | mgeary | now we're talking |
| 21:55.24 | mgeary | i've got some Spekulatius right here |
| 21:55.26 | mgeary | true story |
| 21:55.57 | SunSparc | mgeary: You win |
| 21:56.11 | mgeary | i'm a little tired of 'em |
| 21:56.14 | SunSparc | ~mgeary++ |
| 21:56.45 | SunSparc | Neck and neck with Danish Butter Cookies. |
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| 21:57.21 | SunSparc | Though, those Girl Scout Samoas as pretty darn tasty. |
| 21:57.33 | carmony | josephscott: should we make next thursday a work at code greene day? :P |
| 21:58.00 | josephscott | sounds like a possibility, macnewbold you have room for a few folks to work from CG that day? |
| 21:58.51 | mgeary | ~miss Mystic Mint cookies |
| 21:58.51 | ibot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of Mystic Mint cookies. |
| 21:58.57 | macnewbold | yeah, there's probably a bit of space :) |
| 21:59.13 | macnewbold | we have fewer extra desks hanging around than usual, but Benjam works from home on Thursdays |
| 21:59.20 | macnewbold | so his would be free plus at least one other |
| 21:59.38 | herlo | ooh, I would do it! |
| 21:59.50 | macnewbold | if you're bringing samoas, that might seal the deal |
| 22:00.04 | macnewbold | ~seen utahcon |
| 22:00.11 | ibot | utahcon is currently on #utah (1d 17h 34m 16s) #uphpu (1d 17h 34m 16s), last said: 'anyone with experience on a polycom soundstation 6000 ? I keep booting to a blank screen'. |
| 22:00.33 | beandog | needs more pictures |
| 22:00.36 | herlo | macnewbold: he's hiding from you :) |
| 22:01.05 | macnewbold | yeah, i need to /invite him back to #uphpu again |
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| 22:06.21 | beandog | why would you cook pot? |
| 22:08.51 | thebigdog | cooking pot |
| 22:09.22 | SunSparc | beandog: brings out the flavor |
| 22:09.23 | herlo | beandog: what else do you do with pot? |
| 22:09.37 | herlo | oh, wait.....um, I mean |
| 22:09.43 | thebigdog | just ask pete |
| 22:09.45 | herlo | <stammer/> |
| 22:10.33 | SunSparc | herlo: Whatever you do don't say FBI, and pray they are not searching these logs. :) |
| 22:11.27 | macnewbold | these things are logged?!?!? |
| 22:11.31 | herlo | lol |
| 22:11.35 | herlo | oh crap! |
| 22:11.36 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:11.46 | macnewbold | bash.org ftw |
| 22:11.54 | TuxToaster | well, if bash would update |
| 22:11.57 | carmony | I hate how Trebuchet MS displays so differently on PC vs MAc |
| 22:11.59 | TuxToaster | they're like 7000 posts behind. |
| 22:12.00 | macnewbold | s/notherlo/not_here_lol |
| 22:12.05 | notherlo | that too |
| 22:12.22 | macnewbold | orly? |
| 22:12.26 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 22:12.26 | raifbot | Chuck Norris uses tabasco as eye drops. |
| 22:12.41 | macnewbold | carmony: why are you using MS fonts? |
| 22:12.47 | herlo | josephscott: we need more chuck-facts |
| 22:12.56 | carmony | because the 50 pages design spec explicitly states it |
| 22:12.59 | josephscott | yeah, I take suggestions :-) |
| 22:13.15 | macnewbold | $chuck-fact |
| 22:13.15 | raifbot | Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants. |
| 22:13.22 | herlo | josephscott: we need to be able to update it ourselves :) |
| 22:13.29 | herlo | there's my suggestion :) |
| 22:13.30 | macnewbold | eh, no thanks |
| 22:13.33 | macnewbold | too dangerous |
| 22:13.40 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: yup. I added a post there a few weeks ago and there were 6,000 pending, last night it said over 7k |
| 22:13.43 | herlo | he could still approve them macnewbold |
| 22:13.45 | macnewbold | people could post false stuff about the chuck |
| 22:13.51 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:13.53 | herlo | he == chuck |
| 22:14.03 | TuxToaster | $lart Chuck Norris |
| 22:14.03 | raifbot | TuxToaster are you insane? I'm not risking a round house kick from Chuck just to satisfy your lart'ing needs. |
| 22:14.03 | herlo | macnewbold: but if they did that, they'd not last long |
| 22:14.17 | TuxToaster | why yes, raifbot, I *am* insane. |
| 22:14.44 | herlo | $lart $ |
| 22:14.44 | raifbot | gives $ an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending $ to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple. |
| 22:14.51 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:15.34 | beandog | lol |
| 22:15.39 | macnewbold | $lol |
| 22:15.42 | macnewbold | $lart lol |
| 22:15.42 | raifbot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on lol. |
| 22:17.01 | macnewbold | wow, last date noted on bash.org main page is 2009 :( |
| 22:17.24 | TuxToaster | http://bash.org/?926329 |
| 22:20.15 | TuxToaster | $lart himself |
| 22:20.16 | raifbot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags himself into court suing for $200 million. |
| 22:22.33 | SunSparc | win win |
| 22:22.47 | jsmith | mgeary: Ok, I'll bite |
| 22:22.53 | mgeary | apparently Russian is simply Spanish backwards |
| 22:22.56 | mgeary | i'll prove it |
| 22:23.18 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:23.21 | DexterTheDragon | vodka will do that to ya |
| 22:23.45 | mgeary | http://www.treelinegroup.com/dev/mg/gotta_be_russian.mov |
| 22:24.06 | SunSparc | Speaking of official state drinks. |
| 22:25.21 | DexterTheDragon | not knowing either spanish or russian I think mgeary's trying to put a curse on us with that audio file |
| 22:25.23 | SunSparc | mgeary: Sounds pretty close |
| 22:25.36 | mgeary | it totally does |
| 22:26.35 | carmony | I'm really tempted to try this: http://wakemate.com/tour/ |
| 22:28.01 | SunSparc | carmony: That is cool |
| 22:28.09 | SunSparc | carmony: Try this one first http://mdlabs.se/sleepcycle/ |
| 22:28.12 | SunSparc | I use it. |
| 22:28.22 | thebigdog | carmony: i would love to read the warning label on that |
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| 22:29.14 | josephscott | wakemate, is that the thing with the usb connector that catches on fire? |
| 22:29.23 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:29.40 | SunSparc | josephscott: That is how it wakes you up |
| 22:29.48 | josephscott | http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/wakemate-usb-fire/ |
| 22:29.57 | thebigdog | your phone calls you to tell you, you are on fire |
| 22:30.29 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:30.45 | beandog | that's just begging for abuse. |
| 22:31.34 | thebigdog | on another side note...wakemate has been hacked to turn on cell alarms when your pulse rises |
| 22:31.42 | thebigdog | ;) |
| 22:32.25 | SunSparc | That could be handy |
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| 22:44.00 | josephscott | $help |
| 22:44.00 | raifbot | josephscott help is at http://raifbot.wordpress.com/ |
| 22:45.16 | macnewbold | oooh |
| 22:45.21 | macnewbold | da bot haz a blog |
| 22:45.47 | TuxToaster | nice! |
| 22:46.05 | TuxToaster | $lart himself |
| 22:46.05 | raifbot | cuts off himself's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper. |
| 22:46.15 | fungus | $spam raifbot |
| 22:46.17 | TuxToaster | meh, that one didn't work quite as well. |
| 22:46.21 | thebigdog | anyone doing mobile dev with phonegap? |
| 22:47.35 | josephscott | well, it is a start, figured that was as good a place as any to publish help info |
| 22:48.31 | macnewbold | thebigdog: is phonegap something like appcellerator? |
| 22:50.01 | TuxToaster | $8ball do you like your new blog? |
| 22:50.02 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Don't count on it. |
| 22:50.18 | thebigdog | macnewbold: yeah |
| 22:50.19 | TuxToaster | $8ball how about WordPress? Do you like WP? |
| 22:50.19 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Outlook not so good. |
| 22:50.24 | TuxToaster | ouch. |
| 22:50.38 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you a ruby on rails fan? |
| 22:50.38 | raifbot | TuxToaster - My sources say no. |
| 22:50.49 | TuxToaster | $8ball Java? |
| 22:50.50 | raifbot | TuxToaster - As I see it, yes. |
| 22:50.54 | herlo | ew! |
| 22:51.01 | josephscott | ouch |
| 22:51.02 | TuxToaster | josephscott: what have you done?!?! lol |
| 22:51.07 | josephscott | created a monster |
| 22:51.16 | TuxToaster | apparently |
| 22:51.22 | josephscott | $8ball do you like PHP? |
| 22:51.22 | raifbot | josephscott - It is certain. |
| 22:51.27 | TuxToaster | whew |
| 22:51.50 | TuxToaster | $8ball so... you like PHP and Java, but not WordPress or RoR. Is that right? |
| 22:51.51 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Most likely. |
| 22:52.08 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you tired of me asking you questions now? |
| 22:52.08 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Better not tell you now. |
| 22:52.17 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:07.33 | ninnypants | does anyone that works on eventespresso hang out on IRC |
| 23:07.38 | ninnypants | ? |
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| 23:16.10 | ninnypants | http://garyvaynerchuck.com |
| 23:16.33 | ninnypants | oops wrong window |
| 23:16.39 | TuxToaster | heh |
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| 23:25.21 | orsonj | so, tip of the day: when using grep to look for something that needs context, use 'grep -A 3 -B 3 <regex> <file>' to get a diff style buffer of context. |
| 23:25.55 | orsonj | ex: grep -A 3 -B 3 '[$]8ball' \#uphpu_2011-0* |
| 23:26.01 | josephscott | or just use grep -C 3 |
| 23:26.29 | orsonj | ah, just a couple lines further in the man page... |
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| 23:26.42 | josephscott | or --context=NUM |
| 23:26.47 | josephscott | if you like long opts :-) |
| 23:29.47 | mgeary | so, is there indeed no one here who does .NET? I'd like to provide this guy with a referral if i can |
| 23:30.48 | ninnypants | carmony: used to if I remember correctly. I think influx started to learn so may he does |
| 23:31.15 | orsonj | I took a .NET class where we only did one programming assignment over the entire class |
| 23:32.44 | orsonj | but then again, researching why .NET is great and writing about it might be all you need to know. |
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| 23:34.58 | orsonj | $8ball should I learn .NET? |
| 23:34.58 | raifbot | orsonj - Yes. |
| 23:35.15 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:35.20 | TuxToaster | heya supernovia |
| 23:35.33 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:35.39 | supernovia | hola TuxToaster |
| 23:36.00 | supernovia | how is your day going? |
| 23:36.05 | TuxToaster | $8ball will it blend? |
| 23:36.05 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Cannot predict now. |
| 23:36.07 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:36.07 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack mindjuju |
| 23:36.08 | TuxToaster | meh. |
| 23:36.24 | TuxToaster | supernovia: pretty good. yours? |
| 23:36.35 | supernovia | I'm doin alright |
| 23:36.40 | TuxToaster | $8ball will it blend now? |
| 23:36.40 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes - definitely. |
| 23:36.44 | TuxToaster | good answer. |
| 23:36.47 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:36.48 | supernovia | yeah |
| 23:37.07 | supernovia | I'm playing graphic designer this week |
| 23:37.10 | TuxToaster | I think he had to test the theory first |
| 23:37.23 | supernovia | well, not that I'm not a graphic designer. just it feels like a one-hat week |
| 23:37.35 | supernovia | $8ball do 8balls blend? |
| 23:37.35 | raifbot | supernovia - Outlook not so good. |
| 23:37.41 | supernovia | Not so good for you! |
| 23:38.16 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 23:39.22 | supernovia | I think that'd be a fun blend. I mean, obviously (no offense $8ball) it will blend |
| 23:39.39 | supernovia | but we could have some fun with asking it questions :) |
| 23:39.39 | TuxToaster | then you'd have blue goo all over the blender |
| 23:39.47 | TuxToaster | I could see it |
| 23:39.50 | supernovia | that'd be awesome |
| 23:39.53 | TuxToaster | Tom asks "Will it blend?" |
| 23:40.00 | TuxToaster | then shows the answer "yes- definitely" |
| 23:40.11 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:40.34 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:40.34 | raifbot | strangles jnbek with a doohicky mouse cord. |
| 23:41.11 | TuxToaster | josephscott: ought to have the bot do an automatic rlart whenever the room gets too quiet. |
| 23:41.17 | TuxToaster | would be amusing |
| 23:41.32 | TuxToaster | supernovia: LOL. that would be awesome. |
| 23:41.56 | TuxToaster | with obligitory footage of a mushroom cloud at the end |
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| 23:42.20 | supernovia | have you seen this? http://bit.ly/blenderblend |
| 23:42.42 | TuxToaster | supernovia: yup yup |
| 23:43.09 | supernovia | That'd be a super cool WIB. |
| 23:43.22 | josephscott | any mac users here have thoughts on http://conceitedsoftware.com/products/linkinus ? |
| 23:43.23 | supernovia | ugh, sighing hurts |
| 23:44.17 | TuxToaster | josephscott: hmm... looks cool |
| 23:44.34 | TuxToaster | might have to give it a try |
| 23:44.46 | josephscott | I've been using colloquy for sometime, just wondering what people consider the best mac irc client |
| 23:44.48 | TuxToaster | actually want to write my own IRC client |
| 23:44.53 | supernovia | I like foss. adium works alright. |
| 23:45.03 | TuxToaster | josephscott: have you seen Textual? |
| 23:45.30 | josephscott | no, haven't seen that one |
| 23:45.32 | TuxToaster | I've been using LimeChat for a while now (Colloquy feels too dumbed down for me), Textual is based on it but has more features |
| 23:46.00 | TuxToaster | I've been wanting to write my own for a bit now, will probably use Textual's code as a base for some of it |
| 23:46.11 | josephscott | didn't even think to look at the app store |
| 23:46.47 | TuxToaster | Textual is $5 on the app store but I think you can get it for free from their site to try out |
| 23:47.00 | TuxToaster | since it's actually open source |
| 23:47.30 | herlo | but the binary is $5 unless you want to compile it yourself ?? |
| 23:47.56 | TuxToaster | I guess they see it as a way to raise some money |
| 23:48.05 | TuxToaster | can't blame them really. |
| 23:48.15 | herlo | TuxToaster: well, that's actually a good free software practice |
| 23:48.38 | orsonj | till it gets into a repo |
| 23:48.38 | herlo | free software as in free code, not necessarily as in price for a binary convenience |
| 23:48.46 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 23:48.58 | herlo | orsonj: the iPhone repo? |
| 23:48.59 | TuxToaster | if I actually do my own fork I'll probably do the same thing |
| 23:49.06 | herlo | cool |
| 23:49.19 | supernovia | lol. poeticintensity and the programmer in the next room are cracking me up |
| 23:49.35 | herlo | supernovia: it's got to be lots of fun working where you do |
| 23:49.36 | orsonj | well, iphone is for people with moneybags |
| 23:49.47 | orsonj | leech-em |
| 23:49.47 | TuxToaster | mostly because I always find nitpicks in IRC clients... like I'd love to see better log management and some scripting stuff like mIRC used to support |
| 23:49.50 | supernovia | yeah it can be fun :) |
| 23:49.53 | herlo | orsonj: I don't know... |
| 23:50.06 | herlo | I think that's apple's job in general, but I digress |
| 23:50.18 | herlo | TuxToaster: irssi is great! |
| 23:50.32 | herlo | I've heard good things about weechat too |
| 23:50.36 | TuxToaster | yeah, getting a Macbook without some serious money isn't cheap. |
| 23:50.38 | herlo | but they are both text based irc clients |
| 23:50.48 | TuxToaster | I finally got an actual MBP (been using a hackintosh for years) |
| 23:51.08 | TuxToaster | herlo: yeah, I use them from time to time but do like a good GUI once in a while :-) |
| 23:51.30 | TuxToaster | I think Linkinus is a bit too far that way... looks like someone tried to mash Twitter and IM into IRC |
| 23:51.36 | herlo | TuxToaster: all of the features you ask for though, are in irssi and weechat :) |
| 23:51.51 | TuxToaster | I mean the design is well done but seems.... eh. |
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| 23:52.06 | TuxToaster | herlo: well, hopefully they'll be in <insert whatever I name the client here> at some point. :-) |
| 23:52.09 | herlo | TuxToaster: oh, and bitlbee could be your IM gateway, works right in irssi |
| 23:52.44 | herlo | TuxToaster: indeed, probably those features will make it at soem point, or the client will die a death |
| 23:52.50 | herlo | of a thousand paper cuts |
| 23:52.54 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:53.06 | TuxToaster | it hasn't started yet, but it's been lingering on my mind for a bit. |
| 23:53.15 | TuxToaster | might make it a weekend project or something. |
| 23:53.38 | TuxToaster | $8ball should I do it? |
| 23:53.38 | raifbot | TuxToaster - My reply is no. |
| 23:54.10 | herlo | lol |
| 23:54.20 | herlo | TuxToaster: I'd be happy to work on something like that with you |
| 23:54.24 | herlo | if it's not in php |
| 23:54.28 | TuxToaster | lo |
| 23:54.30 | TuxToaster | lol* |
| 23:54.32 | herlo | :) |
| 23:54.38 | SunSparc | ~lart PHP |
| 23:54.38 | ibot | squeezes PHP till PHP turns blue like papa smurf |
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| 23:55.01 | TuxToaster | it'd likely be in Obj-C / Cocoa if I target it for the Mac |
| 23:55.30 | herlo | oh |
| 23:55.35 | herlo | well, I might have to bow out of that too |
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| 23:55.37 | TuxToaster | though could always use libpurple and qt and do multi-platform |
| 23:55.48 | herlo | libpurple or libshout are good |
| 23:55.52 | TuxToaster | herlo: fedora++ ? :P |
| 23:56.01 | herlo | with qt or gtk I like |
| 23:56.09 | herlo | TuxToaster: well, that's my preferred platform |
| 23:56.29 | herlo | I'm not against any others, just don't enjoy suffering with closed source programs |
| 23:57.11 | TuxToaster | yup. I like the Mac for the fact I find I get a lot more done when I'm not tinkering with the internals of my system all the time (I did that way too much under linux) |
| 23:57.20 | TuxToaster | but there are some definite drawbacks. |
| 23:57.37 | TuxToaster | like every time I see someone with nice sleek dark UI themes. |
| 23:57.59 | supernovia | pff. |
| 23:58.09 | TuxToaster | supernovia: pff? |
| 23:58.17 | herlo | TuxToaster: I don't play with the internals of my system too often, but when I do, the code is easy to access |
| 23:58.24 | supernovia | Yeah ;) |
| 23:58.27 | herlo | Linux doesn't require that stuff these days |
| 23:58.36 | herlo | it's as simple to use as any other OS imo |
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| 23:58.39 | TuxToaster | herlo: I was always a gentoo or arch linux fan, so playing was somewhat required. :-) |
| 23:58.52 | herlo | that's where you are off into the weeds, just ask beandog :) |
| 23:58.59 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:59.04 | TuxToaster | it's my nature. :P |
| 23:59.28 | TuxToaster | even on the hackintosh I had to tinker to get things to work just right |
| 23:59.37 | herlo | you should not be stuck with an os that requires you to muck with it, unless that's what you like to work on |
| 23:59.47 | TuxToaster | apparently I like pain. |
| 23:59.57 | herlo | TuxToaster: with Fedora (and I'm sure to a similar extent, Ubuntu) I can just install it and go |