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00:15.43SunSparcjosephscott: Good post and call to action on IANA.
00:19.04josephscottSunSparc: the problem with "the world is falling" approach is that people have been using it for more than a decade, yet we are still on IPv4
00:19.13SunSparcYeah
00:19.22SunSparcReminds me of the Y2K "scare".
00:19.28SunSparcLaughable at best.
00:19.44josephscottwell, there were some legit issues with Y2K, I fixed some of them :-)
00:20.03SunSparcSure, it may be a problem, but we have solutions and if we stop FUD'ing and get to fixing we will be fine.
00:20.13josephscottand moving to IPv6 does need to happen, but more action and less "the world ended yesterday!"
00:20.25josephscottyep
00:20.30SunSparcjosephscott: Good job, I supported some of them.  :)  Back in my days of call center tech support.
00:23.08josephscottI bet you chuck norris doesn't use IPv6
00:23.13josephscotthe's already on IPvChuck
00:23.55SunSparclol
00:26.33josephscott$chuck-fact
00:26.33raifbotChuck Norris sleeps with a night light. Not because Chuck Norris is afraid of the dark, but the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris
00:26.45josephscottI should add IPvChuck to the chuck fact list
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16:49.10mindjuju~lart Sunsparc
16:49.10ibotcrushes Sunsparc with a full height scsi disk
16:49.17mindjujuthere is ibot
16:49.30SunSparcWhew!  I was about to get frantic.
16:49.36SunSparc~morning mindjuju
16:49.36ibotACTION bends space and time, trapping mindjuju in a universe of eternal monday mornings
16:49.49mindjujuthx
16:52.13mindjujuactually doing a bit of shopping though, all of my profs have agreed it's ok to record them and i've tried webcams but the webcam isn't built to pic up writing on the chalkboard well, so i'm upgrading to a full (yet discreet) vid cam
16:52.26mindjujuthat can moonlight as a webcam and thus, capture on laptop
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16:56.19wpsmindjuju: you on windows?
16:56.40mindjujulaptop is dual boot ubuntu / windows 7
16:56.43wpsor anyone else?
16:56.44mindjujuwhy, you got something?
16:56.52wpsI haven't had a chance to set up a virtual on this new laptop yet
16:56.59mindjujuoh, yeas, i have a windows box here
16:57.34wpswould you mind hitting a sit for me?
16:57.38wpshttp://www.vivint.com
16:57.46wpsI'm getting reports that it's not loading in IE
16:58.36mindjujuseems to work
16:58.41wpsk
16:58.42wpsthanks
17:01.52mindjujuwps, when the vid loads on the page, is it suppose to load in the middle of the screen and then disappear?
17:01.56wpson which page?
17:02.37mindjujuon main page, under simple, affordable.... choose home button
17:03.06mindjujuthat page has vid and when page loads, a vid player comes up over everything, front center of screen and you can see it load content and then disappears
17:03.19wps?
17:03.23wpsthe home page doesn't have a video
17:03.39wpscan you take a screenshot so I know what you're looking at?
17:04.00wpsthe home page should have a rotating banner at the top, then three columns of content, and then a large collage of images
17:04.48mindjujuso, it's not the "home page" per se, it's the page that comes up when you click home off the home page ( http://www.vivint.com/home-automation )
17:04.55mindjujuvideo uploading, should be done here in a sec
17:05.42wpsah
17:05.57wpsthe video should be behind a big image until you click the play button in the thumbnail
17:06.33mindjujuthe upload is slow to screencast, but you'll see that it doesn't hide in IE, i'm not sure about FF or chrome
17:06.49wpsworks fine in ff and chrome
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17:07.19wpsat least in our testing
17:08.53mindjujuwps, here is vid - http://www.screencast.com/users/mindjuju/folders/Jing/media/fe704cbd-2c75-467e-aaae-6ebfd66c51f5
17:09.49wpsthanks
17:10.05mindjujuyup, site looks nice and has cool features though
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17:36.29josephscott$chuck-fact
17:36.29raifbotChuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.
17:36.57mindjuju~karma josephscott
17:36.57ibotjosephscott has karma of 18
17:37.10mindjujuseems a bit low for the help i've personally received
17:37.14mindjuju~josephscott++
17:37.20josephscottnice, my karma is old enough to vote now :-)
17:38.39TuxToasterlol
17:39.48TuxToaster~mindjuju++
17:40.07mindjujutoo kind :)
17:40.27TuxToasteryou're a karma generator :-)
17:40.35TuxToaster~karma uphpu
17:40.35ibotuphpu has karma of 8
17:41.52SunSparc:)
17:42.00SunSparc~UPHPU++
17:43.36SeKtAhow karma can be given :) i have some questions :) and have to give to ninnypants for yestarday hint he give me :) ?
17:44.22mindjujukarma is given by putting the tilde ~ and the the person's name, like this
17:44.25mgearySeKtA: you've been seeing it given
17:44.30mindjuju~SektA++
17:44.44mindjujugrr, i think i missed a cap
17:44.47SeKtAaha thanks :)
17:44.50mgeary~karma mindjuju
17:44.50ibotmindjuju has karma of 34
17:44.55mindjuju~SeKtA++
17:44.56mgearycheck you out, mindjuju
17:45.03mindjujuyipee!
17:45.17mindjujuwhen i reincarnate, i can come back as ... a win sys admin!
17:45.19mindjujuerr...
17:45.21mindjuju:(
17:45.35mindjujuwell, at least i'm treading water
17:46.56SeKtAguys give me hint about how to extract something in the middle of " " :)
17:47.21SeKtAwith preg_match or with other functions ?
17:47.36mindjujudepends on what you want to do with it
17:47.38mindjujuhttp://php.net/manual/en/function.str-replace.php
17:47.46mindjujuthat' replaces a substring within a string
17:48.28SeKtAok will look at this
17:48.33TuxToasteror preg_replace
17:48.52TuxToasterthe preg_* functions work with regular expression patterns
17:49.17mindjujuv true
17:50.11TuxToasterif you're wanting to just extract something inside of quotes (not replace), a preg_match or preg_match_all would work nicely with /\"(.*?)\"/
17:50.27TuxToastermay or may not need the backslashes there, depending on how you enclose your pattern
17:50.33SeKtAi have this "[^"]+"
17:50.53TuxToasterthat would effectively match characters that are not double quotes
17:50.57SeKtAthis is var $var1='"RB411" 5 '; and need only rb411
17:51.17TuxToasteryeah try the pattern I put above then
17:51.29TuxToasterthe [^"] would return RB4115
17:51.40TuxToasteror anything else that is not a "
17:52.46mindjujui think i found what i'm looking for, not like U2 - http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-SDR-S50A-Std-Def-Camcorder-angle/dp/B0035LD0N0/ref=sr_1_90?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1296841136&sr=1-90
17:53.27TuxToasterSeKtA: something like this:  preg_match_all('/\"(.*?)\"/', $var1, $matches, PREG_SET_ORDER)
17:53.39TuxToasterthen $matches[0][1] would contain your RB411
17:53.42mgearywhy on earth would someone make a camera with 78x zoom? Surely that's not optical zoom
17:53.56mgearywow, sure enough, it is
17:53.58TuxToasterwhile $matches[0][0] contains the entire string that matched.
17:54.02TuxToasterwow
17:54.26mgearybut still, that's just crazy. You'd need a tripod for anything after like 10x, you'd never be able to hold it still enough
17:54.33TuxToasterhow do they pull that off, is the entire camera a lens tube?
17:54.39mgearyand you'd need a super bright light
17:55.45TuxToasteryup, I wouldn't trust the OIS to keep it clear
17:56.27SunSparc78x?!?  Whoa!
17:56.59SunSparcEven with a tripod, you breath on it and you will get jitter.
17:57.42TuxToasterlol
18:00.52mindjujuwell, i don't plan to be THAT far from the action
18:01.10mindjujui can dual purpose this easy (UTOS + school)
18:01.58mindjujufor LUG meetings etc, just the optical zoom is enough and for school, i sit front row, all classes
18:02.30mindjujui just need something that will record the chalkboard well and the webcam just doesn't cut it for clarity
18:08.27TuxToasterhttp://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-02-04/ lol
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18:18.18ninnypantsSeKtA: where you able to get that code working?
18:20.29SeKtAstill writing :)
18:20.42SeKtAwhen is done will show it
18:21.36ninnypantscool
18:34.46josephscott$rlart
18:34.47raifbotchops mindjuju in half with a free AOL CD.
18:34.53josephscott$weather sandy, ut
18:34.53raifbotjosephscott - current weather for sandy, ut - Mostly Cloudy 28f / -2c Humidity: 52% Wind: NE at 5 mph
18:35.25macnewbold$weather park city, ut
18:35.25raifbotmacnewbold - current weather for park city, ut - Cloudy 18f / -8c Humidity: 65% Wind: NW at 15 mph
18:35.57fungus$weather Mumbai
18:35.57raifbotfungus - current weather for Mumbai - Smoke 81f / 27c Humidity: 39% Wind: E at 4 mph
18:36.08macnewboldsmoke? huh?
18:36.13macnewbold$weather cairo
18:36.13raifbotmacnewbold - current weather for cairo - Clear 63f / 17c Humidity: 72% Wind: N at 5 mph
18:36.40fungusMmm, 81f... sounds wonderful
18:36.49fungusi'll put up w/ Smoke for 81f
18:45.46TuxToaster$rlart
18:45.46raifbotbeats itimber senseless with a 50lb Unix manual.
18:45.52TuxToasteritimber again?
18:48.29itimberhaha
18:48.33itimberbots love me
18:48.35itimber:)
18:59.12josephscott$chuck-fact
18:59.13raifbotChuck Norris can slam a revolving door.
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19:02.37TuxToaster~lart
19:02.41TuxToastererr
19:02.43TuxToaster~rlart
19:02.43ibotsays "boot to the head" and knocks bhosie over
19:02.53TuxToasterok, at least that one was random. :P
19:03.05bhosielol
19:03.13TuxToasteroh, and hi bhosie :-)
19:03.18josephscott$8ball are larts really random?
19:03.18raifbotjosephscott - Yes.
19:03.28bhosieTuxToaster: hello :)
19:04.10TuxToaster$8ball is your inbox full?
19:04.10raifbotTuxToaster - Outlook good.
19:04.16TuxToasterjosephscott: really?
19:04.19TuxToasterlol
19:04.58josephscottseems to have a think for you and outlook
19:05.47josephscott$8ball do you always mention outlook when reply to TuxToaster ?
19:05.47raifbotjosephscott - Without a doubt.
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19:33.10SeKtAwill kill myself :D 1 hour to not see that i use preg_match instaed of preg_match_all :D
19:33.27SeKtAat end i have it :) http://pastie.org/1529215
19:41.58SeKtA~ninnypants++
19:42.08SeKtA~mindjuju++
19:42.17SeKtA~TuxToaster++
19:42.22SeKtA:)
19:48.20wpsI can't remember
19:48.24wpswith javascript
19:48.36wpsis the syntax to grab a character our of a string…
19:48.46wps{1} or [1] ?
19:49.05thebigdogSeKtA: for you big if/else if logic you can use a switch statment http://us2.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.switch.php
19:49.08wpsvariable[1] or variable{1}
19:50.10thebigdog[1]
19:50.29thebigdogperhaps i am thinking array
19:50.35thebigdogi know that is bash you can do the {}
19:50.38wpsit's curlies in PHP, right?
19:50.57wpsin PHP, it's brackets for arrays and I'm pretty sure curlies for strings
19:51.03thebigdogor you can use charAt() in js
19:51.37thebigdogi know too many languages is my problem and they all bleed together
19:51.58SeKtAwill take a look at this thebigdog
19:57.06TuxToasterSeKtA: :-)
19:57.17SeKtA:)
19:57.36TuxToaster$8ball is your inbox still full?
19:57.36raifbotTuxToaster - Outlook good.
19:57.39TuxToastersee?
19:57.45stderrlol
19:57.52stderrthebigdog: why would he use a switch statement?
19:58.10josephscottonly for TuxToaster  :-)
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19:59.05TuxToaster$8ball do you like promoting Microsoft?
19:59.05raifbotTuxToaster - My sources say no.
19:59.11TuxToaster$8ball how about Outlook?
19:59.12raifbotTuxToaster - Most likely.
19:59.24TuxToasterlol
20:00.29TuxToasterSeKtA: are you replacing ALL properties or just some?
20:00.41TuxToasteri.e. anything that is property=
20:02.18SeKtAwhat u mean with properties ? if u mean my use of preg_match_all i use it only for last cell of array
20:05.22SeKtAi found one site that tell that regex in php is very slow and in awk is fast, in awk can take 20ms for something in php can take 60 sec :)
20:06.33stderrI'd suggest paying less attention to alternatives, and more attention on how to generalize that code.  That code is only arguably better than parsing and formatting the file by hand.
20:06.51thebigdogstderr: why not?
20:07.09stderrthebigdog: Look at the conditions and code for each conditional.
20:07.16stderrand tell me why you need a switch statement.
20:07.33thebigdogif/else is only checking text values is all
20:07.50stderrthe if/elses are doing the exact same thing except for the end else.
20:08.01stderrso all he needs is to write a conditional on that last condition.
20:08.21thebigdogthat is fine
20:08.22stderrwhich is still sloppy but leagues better than the original.
20:08.43TuxToasterSeKtA: I guess it depends on what kind of file you are parsing, but I've never seen speed issues like that with regex
20:09.17TuxToasterSeKtA: but what I was going to suggest, is instead of doing this:  preg_replace("/interface=/", '####@@@interface=', $out);
20:09.23TuxToasterfor each line
20:10.35TuxToastertry this:  preg_replace("/(\w+?)=/", '####@@@\\1=', $out);
20:10.46SeKtAi see but im trying to write without to know any functions :D and use what i see in examples :)
20:11.22TuxToasterSeKtA: yeah, and what you have works, just suggesting some ways to optimize it :-)
20:11.23SeKtAwill optimize my code be sure :)
20:11.24stderrwhy even do that preg_replace.  He's just using placeholders to mark where he needs to split upon, which can be accomplished far easier.
20:11.47stderrlet me see a sample file, then let me see the output you want SeKtA
20:12.04TuxToasterstderr: ah. I hadn't read the bottom half of the code yet. heh.
20:12.10TuxToasteroi.
20:12.13stderrI'm not even going to try refactoring that code.  But I will give you an example of how to do it well, with good comments to learn from.
20:12.41SeKtAoutput for now is in html table, but will look to store it in file or db
20:12.58stderrdo you have sample input / output?
20:14.46SeKtAthis is party of input file http://pastie.org/1526352
20:14.53SeKtApart*
20:15.03stderrAh, ifconfig -a output?
20:15.15SeKtAnope
20:15.54SeKtAits from cisco discovery protocol uptput from other vendor that make something like software router based on linux
20:15.56stderrwell, whatever it is (interface config), one sec
20:16.28stderr(I'm sure there will be bugs in my code since I haven't touched PHP in years)
20:18.20SeKtAthis software is mikrotik, it have api that have php support but transfer is not encripted and i use ssh to device and with phpseclib and put command and store output in file for now
20:18.54SeKtAdont put too much attention on me, dont like to disturb all if u, just soem pieces time to time :)
20:21.23influxDon't worry about it.
20:28.16TuxToasterSeKtA: interesting. I've got a friend that has played with Mikrotik some
20:28.57stderrgod PHP's foreach construct is so backwards
20:29.08TuxToasterstderr: you a Python programmer?
20:29.21SeKtAits not so bad for piece of $ u get good soft and easy manageable
20:30.28stderrI'm a Ruby programmer, I know Python extremely well though.
20:31.28influxBackwards how?
20:31.47TuxToasterstderr: ah. Just seems like a lot of people I've met who have left PHP move to Python
20:34.48stderrI never left Python.  I just used PHP for a paycheck years ago.
20:34.59stderrSeKtA: sorry it took so long
20:35.23stderrprobably buggy, and the reg ex probably needs work (and is probably incompatible with preg functions besides; I merely know Python and Ruby RE syntax)
20:35.29stderrbut, it should give a good idea of what you _should_ do
20:35.51SeKtA:)
20:35.55stderrhttp://pastie.org/1529400
20:39.26stderrI don't have a PHP interpreter available to me so I couldn't really test it.  I'm sure it's full of semantic fail, but it still shows how you should isolate repetitiveness and, if you're going to use regular expressions, to go all out and use their full power.
20:39.47SeKtAi have this http://pastie.org/1529406 but main problem was that i have places that have some whitespace and in this i not get all the data
20:40.22SeKtAthats way i use @@@ to separate
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20:49.26TuxToasterSeKtA: on stderr's example, it looks good mostly... you'd need delimiters around the regex (usually /...../)
20:50.01TuxToasterbut he's got the right idea on making it simpler. :-)
20:52.50josephscott$rlart
20:52.50raifbothauls _psychic_ up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles.
20:55.25TuxToasterlol
20:55.40thebigdoghttp://winonachiropractic.com/
20:55.43thebigdogpretty funny
20:56.45TuxToaster$lart raifbot
20:56.45raifbotgrabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats raifbot until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with.
20:56.45SeKtA:D
20:56.55SunSparcthebigdog: lol
20:57.07thebigdogi did not do that though
20:57.07SunSparcDon't mess with your sysadmin or webdev
20:57.12thebigdogso i cannot take credit
20:59.46TuxToasterthebigdog: lol that's awesome.
21:06.56SunSparcTweeted
21:15.42fatal3rr$8ball Should I have beers tonight?
21:15.43raifbotfatal3rr - Signs point to yes.
21:16.04fatal3rr:)  It is Friday.
21:20.26SunSparc$8ball are you buying?
21:20.26raifbotSunSparc - It is decidedly so.
21:22.55TuxToasterhah
21:23.10macnewboldnice
21:23.12TuxToaster$8ball do you even drink?
21:23.12raifbotTuxToaster - Better not tell you now.
21:23.20TuxToasterlol
21:23.31TuxToaster$8ball is your inbox still full?
21:23.31raifbotTuxToaster - Most likely.
21:23.34fatal3rrhah  I'm assuming that means $8ball gets very trashed
21:23.42ninnypantswe all saw how $8ball's loan for macnewbold worked out...
21:23.49fatal3rrIt's friday, he is no longer checking mail
21:23.54TuxToasteror is slacking off at work
21:24.07TuxToaster$8ball are you slacking off?
21:24.07raifbotTuxToaster - Outlook not so good.
21:24.26TuxToaster$8ball so you're not checking e-mail because Outlook isn't good?
21:24.26raifbotTuxToaster - Outlook not so good.
21:24.29TuxToasterlol
21:26.20TuxToaster$rlart
21:26.20raifbotteaches mgeary the basics, including how to RTM.
21:26.31TuxToasteryeouch.
21:27.27itimber1$rlart
21:27.27raifbotinstalls PocketPC on jtsnow's PDA.
21:27.30itimber1haha
21:27.45itimber1that's somehow very satisfying
21:27.48TuxToaster~rlart
21:27.48ibotdrops a humongous exploding nuke on SeKtA
21:27.48itimber1:)
21:27.58itimber1~rlart
21:27.58ibotsqueezes brasto till brasto turns blue like papa smurf
21:28.00TuxToasterI think the bots have stopped their attacks on itimber1
21:28.02TuxToaster:-)
21:28.14itimber1it's the 1 after my name
21:28.21itimber1I'm incognito
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21:29.32TuxToasterhaha
21:29.40TuxToaster$rlart
21:29.40raifbottakes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down jsmith-away's throat until jsmith-away puts on 150lbs.
21:30.00TuxToasterheh, nope, they've moved on. :P
21:30.07TuxToaster....for now.
21:30.36TuxToasterraifbot: but I'll take some Krispy Kreme's if you have any more...
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21:34.45mindjujusunsparc, AMAZING post on twitter
21:34.49mindjujuhttp://winonachiropractic.com/
21:35.12SunSparclol, that was from thebigdog
21:39.39TuxToaster~donut
21:39.40ibotdonut is probably slightly crazy, slightly depressed, slightly paranoid. All pastry.
21:39.54TuxToaster...
21:39.58TuxToasteroooookay.
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22:00.04SunSparcibot: Who told you about donuts?
22:00.16SunSparcCause they were on drugs.
22:01.50macnewboldibot: donuts are round and holy
22:01.50ibotmacnewbold: okay
22:02.01mindjuju~donuts
22:02.01ibotdonuts are round and holy
22:02.02TuxToasterLOL
22:03.32josephscott$lart donuts
22:03.32raifbottries to shut donuts up.
22:10.34TuxToasterLOL
22:10.36TuxToasterso get this
22:10.40TuxToasterthat winona page?
22:10.45TuxToasterI know the guy who did it....
22:11.02TuxToasterdidn't realize it until he just pasted a link to the twitter results for it.
22:11.08TuxToasterhttp://search.twitter.com/search?had_popular=true&q=winonachiropractic&result_type=recent
22:12.29ninnypantshttp://pseudocoder.com/archives/the-type-of-employee-you-really-want-porn-star
22:12.40SunSparclol, they are toast
22:13.01TuxToasteryeah, apparently he built it a couple of years ago for them and they never paid him for it
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22:13.37thebigdogTuxToaster: that is awesome...i love how he did that
22:13.48thebigdogi wish i could have done that to a couple of my clients
22:13.53thebigdog~lart mgeary
22:13.53ibotchops mgeary in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
22:14.17thebigdog~lart itimber
22:14.17ibottakes a big bite out of itimber's jugular vein
22:15.16mgeary~smack thebigdog
22:15.16ibotACTION smacks thebigdog upside the head.
22:15.46TuxToasteryeah it's ironic that I even know him... I thought he was just looking at it on twitter because it's so popular
22:17.28itimber~lart thebigdog
22:17.28ibotwhips out his power stapler and staples thebigdog's foot to the floor
22:17.34itimber~timattack thebigdog
22:17.34ibotACTION grabs an axe and starts to go postal on thebigdog!
22:17.38itimberha
22:17.43itimberboyah
22:18.38thebigdog~flip itimber
22:18.39ibotACTION gives itimber the .|.. ..|.
22:18.48thebigdogand there we have it folks
22:19.02josephscott$chuck-fact
22:19.02raifbotThe best part of waking up is not Folgers in your cup, but knowing that Chuck Norris didn't kill you in your sleep.
22:19.53itimberhahaha
22:20.33josephscott$weather sandy, ut
22:20.34raifbotjosephscott - current weather for sandy, ut - Cloudy 34f / 1c Humidity: 53% Wind: NE at 4 mph
22:21.18mgearywoot. 34 degrees. that's downright balmy these days
22:21.30TuxToasterlol @ Chuck.
22:21.50TuxToasterthe trick is not making Chuck mad enough to kill you in your sleep.
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22:23.48ninnypantsif that's the best part of waking up what's the best for chuck noris?
22:23.52ninnypants$chuck-fact
22:23.53raifbotChuck Norris does not get frostbite. Chuck Norris bites frost.
22:25.30mindjujuthe trick with Chuck is using his name in a way that doesn't invoke his lawyers
22:25.48josephscott$chuck-fact
22:25.48raifbotChuck Norris can do a wheelie on a unicycle
22:26.25TuxToasterha
22:26.46TuxToastershould send Chuck after Winona Chiropractic
22:27.24josephscott$lart Winona Chiropractic
22:27.24raifbotgets a hotmal account and SPAMs Winona Chiropractic.
22:27.37TuxToasterlol
22:27.47TuxToasterwhat is a "hotmal" account?
22:28.12influxThe love child of Hotmail and Tamales?
22:28.29ninnypantsTuxToaster: it's a warm version of malaria
22:28.34influxHaha.
22:28.46TuxToasterLOL
22:31.25josephscottlart typo fixed :-)
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22:31.57beandog~roku++
22:32.31TuxToaster$rlart
22:32.31raifbotwhacks influx with a giant beaver's tail.
22:32.47wpsholy crap
22:33.05wpsFedEx just charged my wife $5.50 to send a 5 page fax to a toll free number!
22:33.12TuxToasterwow
22:33.20TuxToaster$1.10/page.
22:33.36wpsthat's like 99.99% profit
22:33.43TuxToasteryup.
22:33.56mindjujuwell, i wouldn't say that
22:34.15mindjujuif you're talking about the brick and mortar
22:34.39influx$lart TuxToaster
22:34.39raifbotbeats TuxToaster  to within 2.54cm of his life.
22:34.40mindjujuthey have tons of overhead, the building, electricity, telephone line, several grunts at minimum wage, a manager
22:34.42josephscottonly 99.99% profit if they had no other over head, cost of fax machine, paying employees, rent, etc.
22:34.45influx:D
22:34.58mindjujuyup, the fax machine, tons of overhead, poor devils
22:35.41TuxToaster:P
22:35.42josephscottthink of it as reverse incentive :-)
22:36.07mindjujucurious, tuxtoaster, does that mean you hit influx with pi?
22:36.21mindjujuis that like a lemon meringue pi?
22:36.24TuxToastermindjuju: true, but from the perspective of the fax machine, all it needs is power, phone line and paper...
22:36.30TuxToasterLOL
22:36.35josephscott$lart fedex
22:36.36raifbotshoves a crumpet down fedex's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that?!!
22:36.52TuxToasterJAM? *tastes*
22:37.10TuxToasterIt's raspberry!  Only one man would dare give me the raspberry!
22:37.34mindjujuthat is true, from the fax perspective, the cost include the ones you listed, but hardly a realistic perspective
22:37.48TuxToasterhmm. noone? lol.
22:37.49mindjujuor rather, not realistic, but hardly a realistic business perspective
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23:53.22TuxToastermindjuju: oh? didn't know there was a #utah
23:55.21TuxToasterand, since he's chosen to clear the air about it, http://brettterpstra.com/yes-its-real/
23:55.35TuxToasterwinona chiropractic has been taken down now, there's the story. lol
23:57.30SunSparcLame, I like the hacked site better :)
23:57.54TuxToasterlol
23:58.13TuxToasteryeah, he did to, but it's generating tons of traffic. lol
23:59.19TuxToasterI still find it amazing how I heard about it in here and it came from someone I know. Small world. :-)

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