| 00:00.31 | TuxToaster | I always thought Morrowind was a part of Warcraft |
| 00:01.43 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: nope really awesome RPG probably one of my most favorite games of all time. |
| 00:04.21 | fungus | ninnypants, if you like Oblivion you'll probably like Dragon Age. Another fantastic RPG |
| 00:05.14 | ninnypants | I've heard dragon age was really good. Heard the same thing about fall out. I don't play too many games though. |
| 00:05.54 | TuxToaster | never was a huge gamer |
| 00:06.34 | fungus | right, for someone who like Oblivion and doesn't play lots of games, Dragon Age is a good option. |
| 00:06.50 | TuxToaster | really liked Earth & Beyond when it was in beta, but they changed a bunch of things between the end of the beta and the final release |
| 00:07.20 | fungus | Fall Out is pretty good too, but not as great as Oblivion and Dragon Age |
| 00:08.04 | influx | <3 Fall Out. |
| 00:08.26 | influx | Couldn't play 3 all the way through though. The environment started to fall apart. |
| 00:08.54 | TuxToaster | seems only logical for a game called Fall Out. :P |
| 00:09.19 | influx | Hah. |
| 00:09.42 | influx | Well, point from the corpse models would start to stretch out. |
| 00:10.06 | influx | So you'd have a bad guy dead on the ground suddenly turn into a body with a spike sticking out from its hip or something. |
| 00:17.47 | TuxToaster | $8ball time to go home now? |
| 00:17.47 | raifbot | TuxToaster - My sources say no. |
| 00:17.51 | TuxToaster | meh. |
| 00:18.55 | ninnypants | 8ball is not your friend |
| 00:19.08 | TuxToaster | apparently not. |
| 00:19.16 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you my friend? |
| 00:19.16 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Better not tell you now. |
| 00:19.50 | ninnypants | $8ball do you think TuxToaster was productive today? |
| 00:19.50 | raifbot | ninnypants - Yes - definitely. |
| 00:19.58 | TuxToaster | woohoo |
| 00:20.05 | ninnypants | apparently he thought you were productive though |
| 00:20.36 | ninnypants | $8ball is TuxToaster to in the zone to quit? |
| 00:20.36 | raifbot | ninnypants - My reply is no. |
| 00:21.03 | ninnypants | raifbot's answers don't seem to line up |
| 00:21.19 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 00:21.32 | TuxToaster | $lart raifbot |
| 00:21.32 | raifbot | executes killall -KILL raifbot. |
| 00:21.46 | TuxToaster | at least he knows the proper lart to perform on a bot. |
| 00:22.11 | ninnypants | though josephscott made him self protecting |
| 00:22.25 | ninnypants | *thought |
| 00:22.25 | josephscott | no, I'm fair game |
| 00:22.33 | ninnypants | I ment raifbot |
| 00:22.42 | josephscott | oh, haha, no, not yet |
| 00:22.44 | josephscott | I should though |
| 00:23.11 | TuxToaster | josephscott: it's all the better when it uses a processkill or something on a bot though. hehe |
| 00:23.27 | ninnypants | very true |
| 00:23.39 | TuxToaster | $8ball is it time to go home *now*? |
| 00:23.39 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes. |
| 00:23.45 | TuxToaster | raifbot: thank you. |
| 00:23.46 | ninnypants | $roulette |
| 00:23.53 | ninnypants | ~roulette |
| 00:23.53 | ibot | ACTION watches ninnypants pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:24.01 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 00:24.08 | TuxToaster | ~roulette |
| 00:24.08 | ibot | ACTION watches tuxtoaster pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:24.13 | TuxToaster | *whew* |
| 00:24.44 | ninnypants | I was in a channel where the bot would kick the loser |
| 00:24.58 | ninnypants | ~roulette |
| 00:24.58 | ibot | ACTION watches ninnypants pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:25.09 | ninnypants | so far so good |
| 00:26.09 | TuxToaster | need to get raifbot to say ~roulette |
| 00:26.29 | ninnypants | $say ~roulette |
| 00:26.38 | ninnypants | $die |
| 00:26.38 | raifbot | burns ninnypants to a crisp with a laser. |
| 00:26.48 | ninnypants | $kill |
| 00:26.52 | TuxToaster | $eval say ~roulette |
| 00:26.52 | raifbot | TuxToaster - eval( 'say ~roulette' ) |
| 00:26.53 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 00:27.17 | TuxToaster | well, may as well try one more on my way out |
| 00:27.19 | DexterTheDragon | $echo ~roulette |
| 00:27.21 | TuxToaster | ~roulette |
| 00:27.21 | ibot | ACTION watches tuxtoaster pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:27.25 | TuxToaster | w00t. |
| 00:27.56 | DexterTheDragon | ~roulette |
| 00:27.56 | ibot | ACTION watches dexterthedragon pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:28.10 | ninnypants | ~roulette |
| 00:28.11 | ibot | ACTION watches ninnypants pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 00:28.18 | ninnypants | dang! |
| 00:28.53 | influx | ~roulette |
| 00:28.53 | ibot | ACTION watches influx pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:28.58 | influx | ^^ |
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| 00:36.45 | supernutter | Oh, I want to try this roulette thing. |
| 00:36.53 | supernutter | ~roulette |
| 00:36.53 | ibot | ACTION watches supernutter pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:37.07 | ninnypants | ~roulette |
| 00:37.07 | ibot | ACTION watches ninnypants pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:37.13 | ninnypants | woo! |
| 00:37.21 | influx | ~roulette |
| 00:37.21 | ibot | ACTION watches influx pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:37.32 | supernutter | I wanna think of a good question for the 8 ball :-p |
| 00:37.58 | influx | ~8ball Why don't you call your mother? |
| 00:37.58 | ibot | Yes. |
| 00:38.01 | influx | ... |
| 00:38.14 | supernutter | That's like Yes, master |
| 00:39.10 | supernutter | UPHPU was not enough, given I had to do a non geeky thing first |
| 00:39.23 | ninnypants | that sounds fun |
| 00:39.27 | supernutter | (Although the art exhibit really was lovely) |
| 00:39.30 | supernutter | Any good movies out? |
| 00:39.48 | ninnypants | especially since I didn't get to go to geek lunch |
| 00:40.26 | ninnypants | supernutter: I beleive so but I can't think of any |
| 00:42.17 | ninnypants | supernutter: green hornet is out |
| 00:42.30 | supernutter | Yeah, I didn't get to do geek lunch either :-T |
| 00:42.41 | supernutter | Is that any good? |
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| 00:43.56 | ninnypants | it looks good |
| 00:44.11 | ninnypants | I think carmony saw it, but I'm not sure |
| 00:44.28 | ninnypants | we could always see mega mind too :) |
| 00:45.57 | supernutter | Seems SunSparc mentioned watching it, too |
| 00:46.27 | supernutter | I think swb and I might do something Thursday early evening |
| 00:46.40 | supernutter | so we could join up with the rest of ya.. it'd be fun :) |
| 00:47.29 | ninnypants | kelly and I might come depends on when/where though... |
| 00:52.47 | supernutter | yeah. |
| 00:53.00 | supernutter | Well, it's been ages since I saw DexterTheDragon! Freak, where you been, man? |
| 00:54.23 | DexterTheDragon | supernutter: you didn't come to lunch |
| 00:54.24 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, how many fingers do you have left |
| 00:54.34 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: 9 and a half? |
| 00:54.38 | beandog | heh |
| 00:54.48 | supernutter | I knows! I wish I could have |
| 00:54.56 | supernutter | Oh yeah, how's your hand? |
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| 00:55.55 | ninnypants | supernutter: what's for dinner? |
| 00:56.05 | supernutter | Eh, just chicken & veggies |
| 00:56.25 | supernutter | maybe potatoes for the kiddos |
| 00:56.34 | beandog | I need a git book. |
| 00:56.39 | ninnypants | sounds pretty good |
| 00:56.47 | influx | ~8ball should beandog get a git book? |
| 00:56.47 | ibot | No. |
| 00:56.48 | supernutter | Somehow I read, "I need to git a book." |
| 00:56.59 | ninnypants | setting up a git server, beandog? |
| 00:57.04 | supernutter | ~8ball should supernutter stay on this idiotic diet? |
| 00:57.04 | ibot | Negative. |
| 00:57.06 | beandog | ninnypants, no, Ive already got a few running |
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| 00:57.22 | beandog | ninnypants, just need something that transfers man pages to make it easy for me speak |
| 00:57.31 | influx | supernutter: What's the diet? |
| 00:57.44 | ninnypants | you still on hcg? |
| 00:57.48 | supernutter | it's crappy and I'll leave it at that. |
| 00:57.49 | supernutter | yeah. |
| 00:58.01 | beandog | I was just reading today how thats a total scam |
| 00:58.07 | supernutter | I broke it for a bit, but I'm back since I didn't end it properly (and promptly gained 5 pounds) |
| 00:58.09 | ninnypants | beandog: nice |
| 00:58.19 | beandog | http://consumerist.com/2011/01/hcg-diet-products-are-fraudulent-says-fda.html |
| 00:58.24 | supernutter | Sure, it's a scam. |
| 00:59.28 | beandog | I'm about to pull some changes .. I was trying to figure out how to revert back to a previous commit, but figured I probably need a book if Im not sure how to do even that. |
| 00:59.58 | supernutter | hm, this diet doesn't use pills. weird. |
| 01:00.58 | ninnypants | beandog: you colud get a visual client |
| 01:01.14 | beandog | ninnypants, like gitg? |
| 01:01.40 | ninnypants | not sure I'm on winders so I use tortoise git |
| 01:01.42 | beandog | well actually that doesnt do much. |
| 01:04.03 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://progit.org/book/ |
| 01:04.34 | beandog | Oh yah, I like that one. I should just buy a copy. |
| 01:04.35 | beandog | hardcopy |
| 01:08.58 | supernothere | hehe I hadn't |
| 01:09.01 | supernothere | d'oh, wrong window |
| 01:12.35 | beandog | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
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| 02:52.13 | beandog | man that was weird |
| 02:52.19 | influx | whoah |
| 02:52.22 | beandog | I went to start some music before realizing I was already listning to something. |
| 02:58.31 | supernotherenow | reminds me of the time I clicked on yours and dtd's ambient music links at the same time |
| 02:58.45 | supernotherenow | and didn't realize it.. and wondered how the heck either of you could stand to listen to that |
| 02:59.01 | supernotherenow | (two very different songs were playing at the same time, and it was awful :-p) |
| 02:59.48 | supernovia | and listening to "Better Days" |
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| 03:00.56 | supernovia | singing while designing is _almost_ as fun as singing in the car... |
| 03:02.02 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 03:02.27 | wps | I have a javascript script that I am rebuilding in PHP |
| 03:02.37 | wps | it calls a URL via GET and then does something with the response |
| 03:02.50 | wps | would CURL be the best option for doing that in PHP? |
| 03:03.31 | TuxToaster | that's what I personally would use |
| 03:04.18 | TuxToaster | I guess PHP can handle that built in now with the socket stuff, but CURL gives you the most flexibility IMO |
| 03:04.29 | wps | hmmâ¦Â this is simple enough that file_get_contents() might be sufficient |
| 03:05.04 | wps | or http_get() |
| 03:06.47 | supernovia | listening to Rusalka - Song To The Moon by Dvorak on @Grooveshark: http://tinysong.com/yS0r #nowplaying <- I sing to that, too :-o |
| 03:07.31 | beandog | man |
| 03:07.38 | beandog | my entire schedule is shifted by 4 hours this week ... |
| 03:07.54 | supernovia | what happened? |
| 03:08.09 | beandog | That's a fancy way of saying "I'm behind" |
| 03:08.13 | supernovia | (this song is the original little mermaid song!) |
| 03:08.49 | supernovia | Me too. |
| 03:08.59 | wps | file_get_contents worked |
| 03:09.06 | beandog | wps, I love that function. |
| 03:09.17 | wps | me too |
| 03:09.19 | wps | I use it a lot |
| 03:10.57 | beandog | http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=370271.0 |
| 03:11.00 | beandog | that's awesome |
| 03:11.40 | beandog | and if Im looking at stuff like that, it probably means its time to head home. |
| 03:12.06 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 03:12.11 | TuxToaster | that's awesome |
| 03:24.11 | supernovia | woo! time to read with my kiddos. See ya later guys... |
| 03:25.17 | TuxToaster | have fun! |
| 03:25.27 | supernovia | thanks! Have a super night there. |
| 03:25.34 | ninnypants | supernovia: still reading the hobbit? |
| 03:25.40 | supernovia | Ah, scriptures right now |
| 03:25.49 | supernovia | Hobbit would be good but I haven't had a dang weekend with the kids to read it |
| 03:25.51 | ninnypants | even better :) |
| 03:26.08 | supernovia | They'll be home with me not this weekend, but the next, so we ought to finish Bilbo's adventures then |
| 03:26.20 | ninnypants | awesome |
| 03:26.33 | ninnypants | I really need to read that book myself |
| 03:26.45 | supernovia | and then it's on to LOTR. |
| 03:26.45 | ninnypants | awesome |
| 03:26.57 | supernovia | It's .. harder for the kids. hence my reading out loud |
| 03:27.15 | supernovia | so many odd ways of saying things. but I like it, and we explain it as we go... |
| 03:27.34 | supernovia | anyway. speaking of which, scripture time for reals now ;-D See yas |
| 03:27.40 | ninnypants | later |
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| 09:50.09 | influx | lo? |
| 09:50.20 | influx | $8ball destroy? |
| 09:50.20 | raifbot | influx - Very doubtful. |
| 09:50.25 | influx | $8ball maim? |
| 09:50.25 | raifbot | influx - Better not tell you now. |
| 09:50.40 | influx | $8ball kill? |
| 09:50.40 | raifbot | influx - My sources say no. |
| 09:50.49 | influx | Well alright then. |
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| 10:35.31 | influx | Hello? |
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| 15:45.10 | carmony | LT is so useless... arg |
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| 15:50.41 | josephscott | carmony: did they ever wipe that server? |
| 15:51.07 | carmony | josephscott: yes, but now we have a server being ddos'd |
| 15:51.19 | josephscott | fun |
| 15:51.25 | carmony | and the night tech's suggestion was "take the server offline for 24 hours and hope it goes away" |
| 15:53.34 | carmony | http://screencast.com/t/RFwfKX9lb |
| 15:54.53 | josephscott | lol! |
| 15:54.56 | josephscott | hope it goes away! |
| 15:57.07 | josephscott | that's the strategy I use with my bills, throw them in the trash for 24 hours and hope they go away ;-) |
| 15:58.05 | carmony | lol |
| 15:58.10 | carmony | well what ticks me off |
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| 15:59.19 | carmony | is last night we were like "Ok, we need to take this server off this IP somehow so we don't rack up our bandwidth bill, but still access it so we can diagnose whats going on" |
| 15:59.42 | carmony | and the tech said "well if I nullroute the box, you won't be able to access it." |
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| 16:00.15 | carmony | this was our CTO handling all this for CEVO, so I wake up in the middle of the night to do some business, notice the billion nagios emails, and read over the ticket |
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| 16:00.34 | carmony | and said "Um, why not setup a kvm instead of just wait for days wondering if it working yet?" |
| 16:01.04 | carmony | just the tech was so not helpful last night |
| 16:01.15 | thebigdog | if anyone wants a binpress invite msg me |
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| 16:01.46 | carmony | thebigdog: a binpress? |
| 16:02.26 | josephscott | http://www.binpress.com/ ? |
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| 16:03.16 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:03.34 | thebigdog | i have 3 invites i can send out if anyone wants them |
| 16:03.40 | TuxToaster | gah. Just got informed that my move to have all of our servers set to UTC and all of our data stored in UTC (which everyone agreed on a couple months ago) is now vetoed, and now we have to shoehorn the code to convert from MST to GMT and then from GMT to the customer's selected time. |
| 16:03.42 | TuxToaster | :( |
| 16:03.59 | josephscott | bummer |
| 16:04.16 | josephscott | servers and data should always be stored in UTC, makes life much easier |
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| 16:04.32 | thebigdog | +1 josephscott that is how we do it |
| 16:04.33 | TuxToaster | yup yup. If everything is in UTC, then all I had to do was date_default_timezone_set() and the rest was magic |
| 16:04.40 | thebigdog | utc and convert on the front |
| 16:04.45 | josephscott | thebigdog: so can you sell open source code on there? |
| 16:04.50 | TuxToaster | exactly |
| 16:05.02 | TuxToaster | but he decided his method is better and simpler and overrode it |
| 16:05.03 | fatal3rr | gooooood morning |
| 16:05.08 | TuxToaster | so... yay, fun! :D |
| 16:05.27 | josephscott | $lart UTC veto'r |
| 16:05.27 | raifbot | eats UTC veto'r and falls over dead. |
| 16:05.29 | TuxToaster | $8ball do you like Wednesdays? |
| 16:05.30 | raifbot | TuxToaster - You may rely on it. |
| 16:05.59 | carmony | $eval ddos_lt('10 hours'); |
| 16:05.59 | raifbot | carmony - eval( 'ddos_lt('10 hours');' ) |
| 16:06.09 | fatal3rr | $8ball Will I survive today? |
| 16:06.10 | raifbot | fatal3rr - Don't count on it. |
| 16:06.14 | fatal3rr | eish |
| 16:06.16 | TuxToaster | ouch |
| 16:06.21 | carmony | lol |
| 16:06.32 | josephscott | be careful what you ask the 8ball |
| 16:06.38 | josephscott | you might not like the answer :-) |
| 16:06.58 | carmony | $8ball will today be a good day? |
| 16:06.58 | raifbot | carmony - Very doubtful. |
| 16:07.01 | carmony | sigh |
| 16:07.13 | fatal3rr | hm, clearly a bad day for the lot of us |
| 16:07.25 | TuxToaster | $8ball did itimber just leave? |
| 16:07.25 | raifbot | TuxToaster - You may rely on it. |
| 16:07.37 | TuxToaster | $8ball didn't you already give me that answer? |
| 16:07.37 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Don't count on it. |
| 16:07.42 | TuxToaster | :/ |
| 16:07.50 | TuxToaster | not being very random this morning. |
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| 16:14.33 | TuxToaster | Ever miss using Windows? Try this: http://mrdoob.com/lab/javascript/effects/ie6/ |
| 16:15.02 | fatal3rr | lmao |
| 16:15.06 | fatal3rr | nice tux |
| 16:17.46 | fatal3rr | $8ball will I at least make it until noon? |
| 16:17.46 | raifbot | fatal3rr - It is certain. |
| 16:17.54 | fatal3rr | alright, i can handle that |
| 16:17.55 | TuxToaster | a ray of hope |
| 16:18.22 | fatal3rr | a bit |
| 16:18.34 | fatal3rr | was my cousins birthday last night |
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| 16:18.44 | fatal3rr | I'm too old for that level of mayhem |
| 16:18.51 | TuxToaster | btw josephscott, Net_SmartIRC is working awesome |
| 16:19.18 | josephscott | TuxToaster: cool, the examples were good enough to get me started |
| 16:19.34 | TuxToaster | though I do need to get the function replacements going so I don't have to restart the bot for code changes |
| 16:20.13 | josephscott | anonymous functions ftw |
| 16:20.25 | thebigdog | josephscott: i dont think you can sell open source code on there |
| 16:20.39 | josephscott | even if it is something I wrote? |
| 16:20.54 | thebigdog | i guess if you change the license on it |
| 16:21.38 | josephscott | I'll have to read up on the site more, just waiting to see someone try to sell copies of WordPress on there :-) |
| 16:21.50 | thebigdog | hah |
| 16:21.50 | TuxToaster | lol' |
| 16:22.00 | thebigdog | they are selling plugins or components for wp though |
| 16:22.24 | josephscott | GPL licensed? |
| 16:22.49 | thebigdog | not sure let me get a link for you |
| 16:23.19 | thebigdog | http://www.binpress.com/app/wp-auctions/33 |
| 16:23.36 | thebigdog | not sure if that is possible or not with wp |
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| 16:24.38 | josephscott | http://www.binpress.com/license/read/id/18/app/33/check/out <- definitely not GPL compatible |
| 16:25.15 | thebigdog | yep they have their own license |
| 16:25.30 | thebigdog | does that conflict with wp's licensing |
| 16:25.35 | josephscott | which then drags in the whole thing, where WP plugins are required to have a license that is GPL or compatible |
| 16:25.54 | josephscott | yep, essentially themes and plugins are required to be GPL or compatible |
| 16:26.01 | josephscott | at least for the PHP bits |
| 16:26.35 | josephscott | technically css, js could have a separate license because they aren't part of the run time execution of PHP |
| 16:27.18 | thebigdog | binpress has their own licenses you can use too |
| 16:27.22 | thebigdog | http://www.binpress.com/page/licensing |
| 16:27.34 | TuxToaster | right, isn't that what some of the themes and plugins for WP do? where they have a more closed license on the non-WP specific parts |
| 16:29.03 | josephscott | yeah, rather lame, but yes, some do that |
| 16:29.30 | josephscott | looks like if you buy WP auctions from http://www.wpauctions.com/ it is GPL |
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| 16:33.22 | josephscott | LOL! |
| 16:33.22 | josephscott | Y2K11 |
| 16:33.40 | josephscott | someone should tell that person that just writing 2011 takes less characters |
| 16:34.42 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:34.49 | mindjuju | i usually do 2k11 |
| 16:35.35 | mindjuju | though you do have a point |
| 16:36.26 | DexterTheDragon | I prefer MMXI |
| 16:36.42 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:36.46 | TuxToaster | I use two-thousand and eleven |
| 16:36.49 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 16:37.25 | DexterTheDragon | TuxToaster: all the hip kids use twenty-eleven |
| 16:37.36 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:37.38 | josephscott | this would make golf more interesting http://devour.com/video/moto-golf/ |
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| 16:39.10 | TuxToaster | josephscott: any idea if you can dynamically load the functions and event listeners via include? I'm guessing it would work the same way, since it would just redefine them |
| 16:39.32 | TuxToaster | wondering if it would cause anything adverse if the handler was already registered though |
| 16:39.37 | josephscott | you could shove anything in to an anonymous function |
| 16:39.59 | josephscott | not sure if smartirc has a problem with calling a handler multiple times |
| 16:40.14 | TuxToaster | will find out soon enough :-) |
| 16:40.16 | josephscott | this was one reason why I went with one generic handler that passed everything to my own logic |
| 16:40.30 | josephscott | that way I didn't have to worry about what smartirc could or couldn't do |
| 16:40.50 | TuxToaster | yeah, I will be doing that for the interactive functions, but some are using the timer method to automatically call the function on an interval |
| 16:41.04 | josephscott | gotcha |
| 16:41.10 | TuxToaster | which seemed cleaner to use theirs since it's already processing a loop than to try and fit in my own loop in addition |
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| 16:42.28 | josephscott | you could just have your timer method call an anonymous function |
| 16:43.35 | TuxToaster | yup. working on it now. |
| 16:44.10 | TuxToaster | so you just define the function as normal... i.e. $function = function() { .... }; |
| 16:44.32 | TuxToaster | then you call $function() when the reload is requested? |
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| 16:44.41 | josephscott | sure |
| 16:45.00 | TuxToaster | kk. Just couldn't remember where you actually called it from |
| 16:50.56 | TuxToaster | hmm |
| 16:51.22 | TuxToaster | the way SmartIRC talks to the bot's class... you could effectively reload the entire class in the function couldn't you? |
| 16:52.20 | TuxToaster | just re-initialize the $bot variable, since it just passes a reference... or maybe the register holds that pointer in memory afterwards |
| 16:53.53 | josephscott | skys the limit :-) |
| 16:54.21 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 16:54.47 | TuxToaster | also going to be trying out using it with redis or memcached to handle some of the storage |
| 16:55.03 | TuxToaster | since they actually want to have at least four bots going |
| 16:55.58 | josephscott | redis would be cool, data doesn't disappear after re-start and easy to back up |
| 16:56.22 | josephscott | unless you rely on the data disappearing, in which case redis can do that too :-) |
| 17:11.35 | TuxToaster | any recommendations for getting 5.3 on a CentOS box? build it myself? |
| 17:12.04 | TuxToaster | or know of a good repo that maintains builds for it... the one I've been using only has 5.2 |
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| 17:19.29 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Build it yourself. |
| 17:20.01 | SunSparc | Probably be quicker anyway and it will have what you want in it. |
| 17:21.38 | TuxToaster | kk that's what I figured. |
| 17:22.27 | SunSparc | Plus, it is rather fun to compile your own. A sense of accomplishment and all that. |
| 17:31.14 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:31.27 | TuxToaster | yeah I've done my own builds before, just don't love doing them on CentOS |
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| 17:44.47 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Why not on CentOS? |
| 17:46.42 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: mostly because the guy I work for is very picky about how he wants things set up on our servers, so he puts things in weird / nonstandard directories, etc. |
| 17:46.56 | SunSparc | Annoying. |
| 17:47.05 | TuxToaster | but also because getting the dependencies met for newer builds can be a pain sometimes, |
| 17:47.08 | TuxToaster | yeah, very. |
| 17:47.21 | SunSparc | True. |
| 17:47.41 | SunSparc | Even though 5.3 has been out for quite a while now. |
| 17:47.54 | TuxToaster | my debian boxes have 5.3 on them with no problem... but Cent doesn't even have 5.2 by default |
| 17:48.00 | TuxToaster | exactly |
| 17:48.17 | SunSparc | Another reason to shun the whole RH family. |
| 17:48.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:48.34 | SunSparc | Debian ftw |
| 17:48.43 | TuxToaster | yup. I mean, it's stable and all, but I'll take Debian over it any day. |
| 17:48.55 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 17:49.01 | TuxToaster | plus... debian is minimal by default. |
| 17:49.11 | TuxToaster | at least half of our production servers are running X and gdm. |
| 17:49.32 | TuxToaster | and it doesn't matter how many times I mention it, it never gets fixed. :P |
| 17:50.18 | SunSparc | Great way to suck up important resources. |
| 17:51.23 | TuxToaster | our application server is another one. Lasso is ridiculous on memory usage |
| 17:51.47 | TuxToaster | we have something like 25 app servers for one app |
| 17:52.16 | TuxToaster | and the load on it could easily be handled by a couple of well-tuned boxes running PHP |
| 17:53.07 | SunSparc | Ye[ |
| 17:53.11 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 18:00.57 | mgeary | bleh. php5.3 |
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| 18:03.43 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary is a defector. |
| 18:04.08 | SunSparc | ~phpize mgeary |
| 18:04.08 | mgeary | indeed |
| 18:04.25 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 18:04.32 | TuxToaster | $lart python |
| 18:04.32 | raifbot | installs a bad bootloader on python and turns python into a brick. |
| 18:04.39 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:06.08 | SunSparc | Though I would probably find it hard to work with all that AWESOME staring me in the face. |
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| 18:16.27 | mindjuju | hey sunsparc, that reminds me |
| 18:16.34 | mindjuju | i found something you'd be interested in |
| 18:17.08 | mindjuju | http://store.steampowered.com/app/39000/ |
| 18:19.00 | fatal3rr | huh, that actually looks awesome |
| 18:19.47 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:20.11 | mindjuju | and made by NASA |
| 18:21.36 | mindjuju | though I wouldn't play with DtD, he'd prolly my air hose and take the moon for himself |
| 18:23.16 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: your just jealous of my mad lunar landing skillz |
| 18:23.31 | mindjuju | totally jealous |
| 18:23.40 | fatal3rr | lol |
| 18:24.32 | mindjuju | @DtD, let's see who is best pilot |
| 18:24.33 | mindjuju | http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/lunar_lander_game.html |
| 18:25.00 | DexterTheDragon | who has java installed on their computer? |
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| 18:27.54 | mindjuju | sunsparc, did you see the link i posted for you |
| 18:28.19 | SunSparc | Yep, and I responded just as my network connection died. :) |
| 18:28.19 | thebigdog | DexterTheDragon: what you need? |
| 18:28.31 | SunSparc | mindjuju: that is pretty dang cool. |
| 18:29.11 | DexterTheDragon | thebigdog: mindjuju's link was a java applet and seriously, who has java installed anymore |
| 18:29.43 | thebigdog | me |
| 18:29.54 | thebigdog | the question is why create applets |
| 18:30.01 | thebigdog | that is the real question |
| 18:30.03 | mindjuju | DtD, find one that uses something else, and i'll play ya |
| 18:30.32 | thebigdog | i think applets should make a come back |
| 18:30.37 | thebigdog | full networking is awesome |
| 18:30.40 | mindjuju | oh yeah! landed on the 60pt landing spot on jupiter! |
| 18:30.42 | mindjuju | i rock! |
| 18:31.11 | SunSparc | Good job. |
| 18:31.27 | SunSparc | I need to get my kids playing so they can grow up to be astronauts. |
| 18:31.56 | fatal3rr | lol |
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| 18:33.23 | mindjuju | DtD - http://sebleedelisle.com/games/moonlander/ |
| 18:33.42 | thebigdog | 100 is hard |
| 18:35.03 | mindjuju | here is one where the physics are suppose to be better |
| 18:35.03 | mindjuju | http://phet.colorado.edu/sims/lunar-lander/lunar-lander_en.html |
| 18:36.11 | SunSparc | Sweet, landed it. |
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| 18:37.28 | DexterTheDragon | http://lander.dunnbypaul.net/ |
| 18:37.33 | mindjuju | man, i keep smashing the legs |
| 18:38.01 | mindjuju | that last one i posted is pretty cool, every time you rotate the cabin, it shows the little thrusting rockets that do it |
| 18:38.21 | SunSparc | mindjuju: remind me not to ride with you when we go to the moon. ;) |
| 18:39.04 | fatal3rr | lol |
| 18:39.51 | SunSparc | Unless I am driving |
| 18:39.56 | mindjuju | you can drive |
| 18:40.06 | SunSparc | Sweet, I will drive, you bring the cookies. |
| 18:40.07 | mindjuju | course, i just landed at 1.3 m/s |
| 18:40.15 | mindjuju | top that! |
| 18:40.15 | SunSparc | Nice! |
| 18:40.18 | SunSparc | heh |
| 18:40.40 | fatal3rr | Im going to get no work done now |
| 18:40.43 | fatal3rr | lol |
| 18:41.16 | SunSparc | 1.4 m/s |
| 18:41.22 | josephscott | SunSparc: that's nothing, I managed to make a 2 mile creator, top that |
| 18:41.25 | mindjuju | pesky boulder! |
| 18:41.36 | mindjuju | swear it moved |
| 18:41.59 | SunSparc | sweat! 1.2 m/s |
| 18:42.37 | SunSparc | josephscott: Nice |
| 18:42.38 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:43.09 | fatal3rr | http://www.phoboslab.org/ztype/ |
| 18:43.35 | SunSparc | NO!!!! |
| 18:43.40 | SunSparc | ~lart fatal3rr |
| 18:43.40 | ibot | slaps fatal3rr around with a large trout |
| 18:43.51 | fatal3rr | lol |
| 18:44.11 | fatal3rr | You cannot resist |
| 18:44.14 | SunSparc | That game is seriously addicting |
| 18:44.18 | fatal3rr | yea, like crazy |
| 18:44.23 | fatal3rr | I can fix your addiction |
| 18:44.28 | SunSparc | lol |
| 18:44.52 | fatal3rr | I was curious how far the game went |
| 18:44.55 | SunSparc | I had to twist the arm of my wife to get her to play it and once she did she understood. |
| 18:45.26 | fatal3rr | so I coded a little app that fills the letters in for you when you |
| 18:45.35 | SunSparc | What!? lol |
| 18:45.43 | fatal3rr | lol, yea |
| 18:45.59 | SunSparc | How far did it go? |
| 18:46.06 | fatal3rr | it goes forever, unfortunately around level 100 or so it just levels off, never gets any harder |
| 18:46.22 | SunSparc | That is awesome. |
| 18:46.26 | fatal3rr | lol |
| 18:46.53 | SunSparc | I think that if I got to level 100 I would be immortal |
| 18:46.57 | fatal3rr | If we had that kind of game in typing class back in school it would have rocked |
| 18:47.04 | SunSparc | Exactly |
| 18:47.06 | fatal3rr | thast probably true actually |
| 18:47.19 | fatal3rr | or at least granted the gift of flight |
| 18:47.20 | SunSparc | We need more educational games that are actually FUN |
| 18:47.29 | SunSparc | fatal3rr: So true :D |
| 18:51.36 | mindjuju | hmm, crashed at a velocity of 284.7 m/s |
| 18:51.46 | mindjuju | i wonder if i can do better |
| 18:52.10 | mindjuju | i wonder if terminal velocity changes on other planets? |
| 18:52.20 | fatal3rr | has anyone played that nasa one yet? |
| 18:54.38 | fatal3rr | ahh |
| 18:55.00 | SunSparc | :) Probably a good thing. |
| 18:55.07 | SunSparc | For my employer, at least. |
| 18:55.11 | fatal3rr | lol |
| 18:55.18 | mindjuju | unless you use Wine or something |
| 18:55.28 | fatal3rr | We're unfortunately kind of busy today or I'd be playing already |
| 18:55.41 | stderr | mindjuju: of course terminal velocity changes on other planets. |
| 18:56.15 | stderr | different atmospheres / force of gravity |
| 18:59.38 | mindjuju | cool - http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00814.htm |
| 18:59.49 | mindjuju | thx stderr! |
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| 19:16.04 | SunSparc | ~lart SunSparc's Internet connection |
| 19:16.04 | ibot | drops a baby grand on SunSparc's Internet connection |
| 19:17.24 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:17.40 | TuxToaster | $lart ibot's lart |
| 19:17.40 | raifbot | teaches ibot's lart the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 19:20.17 | josephscott | LOL! |
| 19:20.34 | josephscott | $8ball are your larts better than ibots? |
| 19:20.34 | raifbot | josephscott - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 19:26.43 | TuxToaster | $8ball are your larts better than ibots? |
| 19:26.43 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes. |
| 19:26.51 | TuxToaster | no reservations there. |
| 19:30.33 | TuxToaster | $8ball are ibot's larts lame? |
| 19:30.33 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Better not tell you now. |
| 19:30.37 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:30.42 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you scared of ibot? |
| 19:30.42 | raifbot | TuxToaster - As I see it, yes. |
| 19:31.00 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you tried of all these questions? |
| 19:31.00 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Outlook good. |
| 19:32.43 | wps | can someone hit a URL for me? |
| 19:33.12 | TuxToaster | err... I mean... sure! |
| 19:33.13 | wps | http://blog.vivint.com |
| 19:33.26 | TuxToaster | comes up |
| 19:33.26 | wps | big, orange screen? |
| 19:33.29 | TuxToaster | looks like no CSS |
| 19:33.32 | TuxToaster | nope |
| 19:33.39 | wps | dangâ¦Â what do you see? |
| 19:33.42 | TuxToaster | http://cl.ly/413p2W1A3X2Z0m3q433C |
| 19:33.51 | wps | crap |
| 19:34.44 | TuxToaster | same in FF |
| 19:34.54 | TuxToaster | (wondered if it was something goofy on my end) |
| 19:34.54 | wps | try again, please |
| 19:35.01 | TuxToaster | nope |
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| 19:35.44 | wps | thanks, TuxToaster |
| 19:35.51 | TuxToaster | no problem. |
| 19:35.54 | wps | I just realized I can test this on my iPhone |
| 19:36.02 | wps | I'm trying to block access to everyone except our office IP |
| 19:36.13 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:36.27 | wps | close your browser! :) |
| 19:36.29 | wps | don't look! |
| 19:36.32 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:36.35 | TuxToaster | hehe |
| 19:36.40 | wps | destroy that screenshot |
| 19:36.43 | wps | :) |
| 19:37.30 | wps | â¦especially clean installs running default themes |
| 19:37.44 | TuxToaster | btw the domain seems wrong on the internal paths (the CSS, etc. is pointing to blog.wade.dev.vivint.com) |
| 19:37.53 | TuxToaster | dunno if that's intentional or not, but figured I'd point it out |
| 19:38.15 | wps | yeah, that's what I believe to be a poor architectural decision by WP |
| 19:38.21 | wps | the path is in the database |
| 19:38.25 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 19:38.26 | wps | absolute instead of relative |
| 19:38.29 | TuxToaster | $lart wordpress |
| 19:38.29 | raifbot | whacks wordpress with a giant beaver's tail. |
| 19:38.33 | wps | pretty dump |
| 19:38.34 | wps | dumb |
| 19:38.38 | wps | dump too |
| 19:38.40 | TuxToaster | ok, that one is fun to picture. |
| 19:38.47 | wps | oh boy |
| 19:38.57 | wps | ~dump wordpress |
| 19:39.02 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:39.05 | TuxToaster | $rm wordpress |
| 19:39.05 | raifbot | opens /dev/null and eliminates wordpress forever. |
| 19:39.24 | josephscott | :-) |
| 19:39.53 | josephscott | someone's CSS not showing up? |
| 19:40.35 | brasto | http://meganstoutphotography.com/ReceptionAnnouncement20110212.pdf |
| 19:40.37 | wps | I was criticizing WP for their decision to use absolute paths for style sheets |
| 19:40.52 | brasto | to all my open source buddies in the channel that are not on facebook, see the above url |
| 19:41.03 | wps | congrats, brasto! |
| 19:41.17 | josephscott | wps: WP ends up supporting a huge arrangement of setups, part of the reason why things like that happen |
| 19:41.33 | josephscott | you can also over ride several of the URL settings in wp-config.php |
| 19:41.41 | brasto | thank you wps |
| 19:41.51 | TuxToaster | brasto: congrats! :-) |
| 19:42.03 | brasto | thank you TuxToaster |
| 19:42.13 | TuxToaster | and good picture. |
| 19:42.49 | TuxToaster | when your kids get crazy you now have proof that they drive you up a tree :P |
| 19:44.17 | josephscott | wps: if you need help figuring out which WP constants to tweak let me know, happy to help |
| 19:44.23 | wps | k |
| 19:44.25 | wps | thanks |
| 19:44.53 | josephscott | several wp-config.php options are documented at http://codex.wordpress.org/Editing_wp-config.php |
| 19:44.58 | josephscott | including the URL options |
| 19:45.02 | thebigdog | brasto: good to hear - that is great news and congrats |
| 19:45.36 | brasto | thank you thebigdog |
| 19:47.58 | thebigdog | mgeary: your choice of music sometimes scares me |
| 19:49.09 | mgeary | thebigdog: don't be dissing on Yoshimi, you Frank Black freak |
| 19:49.32 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:49.34 | thebigdog | you know it |
| 19:49.50 | mindjuju | frank black, whose that? |
| 19:50.25 | mindjuju | err, who's |
| 19:50.53 | thebigdog | there are a couple refs there |
| 19:50.56 | thebigdog | which one you want |
| 19:51.03 | thebigdog | ~Frank Black |
| 19:51.24 | mindjuju | was just kidding, you've sent over links for youtube before |
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| 19:55.23 | mgeary | probably more like chartreuse |
| 19:55.42 | mgeary | or maybe puce |
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| 19:58.00 | beandog | SunSparc, ping |
| 19:58.20 | SunSparc | beandog: pong |
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| 20:18.13 | mindjuju | i should prolly stop my google alert for half-life 2.3, it's driving me nutty with anticipation - http://gamingbolt.com/what-to-expect-from-half-life-2-episode-3half-life-3 |
| 20:18.33 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 20:21.28 | mindjuju | DtD, how is dead space 2? |
| 20:21.55 | DexterTheDragon | the soundtrack is cool, haven't had a chance to sit down and play yet |
| 20:22.04 | mindjuju | ah |
| 20:25.09 | beandog | Check this out: http://aws.amazon.com/ses/ |
| 20:25.34 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: that's so yesterday |
| 20:26.05 | fatal3rr | lol |
| 20:26.24 | mindjuju | i might have to buy this - http://store.steampowered.com/app/63200/ |
| 20:26.27 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, buh |
| 20:26.30 | supernovia | Hey guys â anyone want to chill with me and dws tomorrow? |
| 20:26.47 | supernovia | We want to do a geeks night out. :) |
| 20:27.16 | beandog | that trailer is blink inducing |
| 20:27.19 | mindjuju | what are y'all gonna do? |
| 20:27.20 | fatal3rr | no |
| 20:27.28 | fatal3rr | lol, jk |
| 20:27.28 | supernovia | Depends on who wants to come. We're flexible |
| 20:27.37 | mindjuju | oh wait, tomoroww is statistics |
| 20:27.45 | mindjuju | and I might have to go on a purchase run for the ompcany |
| 20:27.47 | supernovia | But dinner somewhere would be fun |
| 20:27.49 | mindjuju | too bad not friday night |
| 20:27.51 | supernovia | oh yeah? |
| 20:28.02 | supernovia | Yeah⦠she'll be out of here by then... |
| 20:28.43 | supernovia | Truthfully we're hitting the spa again first, and then planning to meet up with whoever wants to meet up, do dinner, talk, wing it.. it'll be great. |
| 20:28.47 | beandog | supernovia gets tired of friends quickly |
| 20:28.53 | supernovia | What? :-p |
| 20:28.55 | beandog | heh |
| 20:29.25 | mindjuju | wing it as in spontaneous or wing it as in to eat wings? |
| 20:29.35 | mindjuju | BIG difference, HUGE |
| 20:29.36 | supernovia | Oooh, now there's a deep question |
| 20:29.45 | supernovia | But, probably more along the impromptu lines |
| 20:29.50 | mindjuju | oh |
| 20:29.54 | mindjuju | :( |
| 20:30.14 | mindjuju | stats gets out at 7:30p |
| 20:30.24 | supernovia | and for the record I don't get tired of friends :) |
| 20:30.25 | mindjuju | but i'll be WAY down at UVU |
| 20:30.35 | beandog | mindjuju, way down? |
| 20:30.39 | beandog | isnt that like 3 blocks from your house? |
| 20:30.51 | supernovia | DexterTheDragon would call it Southern Utah |
| 20:31.01 | mindjuju | yeah, but sheri and DtD will prolly be up in draper |
| 20:31.17 | beandog | DexterTheDragon is making an appearance? |
| 20:31.19 | beandog | I must be there. |
| 20:31.27 | mindjuju | winging it with "spontaneity" and not with wings |
| 20:31.32 | supernovia | Well, sheri and I will be in Orem for the spa part, and then we'll figure out where to go from there |
| 20:31.53 | supernovia | DexterTheDragon hasn't said whether he's coming or not but I hope he will! |
| 20:32.09 | supernovia | Well, that could always involve wings, mindjuju :) |
| 20:32.24 | beandog | DexterTheDragon is so non-committal. |
| 20:32.31 | beandog | He won't even play his new video games. |
| 20:32.35 | supernovia | Oh noes! |
| 20:32.56 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: its hard to play games with only 9 fingers |
| 20:33.05 | beandog | I thought it was 9 1/2 |
| 20:33.06 | mindjuju | poor DtD |
| 20:33.07 | supernovia | Good point |
| 20:33.08 | beandog | did you lose the other half? |
| 20:33.18 | beandog | man .... I need a cookie .......... |
| 20:33.18 | supernovia | you cant round up with figners! |
| 20:33.30 | supernovia | digits have to be counted by intergers... |
| 20:33.39 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: 1/2 was too much typing for that many fingers |
| 20:34.10 | mindjuju | i think i'm going to buy this Monday Night Combat |
| 20:34.19 | mindjuju | this will be the 4th game i bought but haven't played |
| 20:34.22 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, we can get you one of those interfaces where you control the computer by blinking |
| 20:34.31 | supernovia | woo, like on TNG... |
| 20:35.37 | supernovia | on that game where everyone gets all addicted... |
| 20:35.46 | supernovia | DexterTheDragon can you hang out Thursday night? |
| 20:35.57 | mindjuju | ~DOTA |
| 20:35.57 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, dota is Defense of the Ancients, a Warcraft III custom map, based on the "Aeon of Strife" map for Starcraft. http://www.dota-allstars.com/ |
| 20:35.57 | DexterTheDragon | possibly |
| 20:36.46 | beandog | supernovia, oh my gosh that was the best tng episode evar. |
| 20:36.59 | supernovia | So good~ TNG is just the best evar. |
| 20:37.14 | ninnypants | wow my dogs are lucky I'm not this kind of crazy http://www.thedogfiles.com/2011/01/26/devil-dog-woman-burned-hanged-dog-who-chewed-bible-say-south-carolina-police/ |
| 20:37.43 | ninnypants | mindjuju: this is pretty cool if you liked DOTA http://www.leagueoflegends.com/playnow?redirect=http://www.leagueoflegends.com/ |
| 20:37.54 | mindjuju | i still don't know DOTA |
| 20:37.59 | mindjuju | i'm trying to find, but i'm curious |
| 20:38.02 | supernovia | whoah! :-o that's awful |
| 20:38.20 | beandog | now I wanna go watch The Omen. |
| 20:38.20 | beandog | Thanks a lot. |
| 20:39.26 | beandog | that's a great movie. |
| 20:39.37 | ninnypants | never seen it |
| 20:39.41 | mindjuju | the omen? wasn't there a recent remake? |
| 20:39.43 | beandog | there's not enough trike-wielding satan-spawn scenes these days. |
| 20:39.55 | ninnypants | The Unborn? |
| 20:40.07 | ninnypants | is that what you're thinking mindjuju? |
| 20:40.21 | mindjuju | maybe, don't remember, they're remaking everything |
| 20:40.29 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PuIBNLOeEU |
| 20:40.34 | beandog | Gregory Peck! |
| 20:40.35 | beandog | he's awesome. |
| 20:40.43 | supernovia | Is it really a great movie, beandog? I want to watch a scary movie one of these days |
| 20:40.49 | supernovia | because it's been like, A YEAR. |
| 20:40.50 | beandog | That kid is sooo creepy too |
| 20:41.08 | supernovia | Well, unless you count Dr. Who. |
| 20:41.21 | DexterTheDragon | supernovia: we don't |
| 20:41.50 | supernovia | I like scary-but-not-gorey movies. |
| 20:41.52 | beandog | sweeeeeeet! |
| 20:41.57 | beandog | the trike scene is in the trailer! |
| 20:41.58 | beandog | win |
| 20:42.51 | TuxToaster | supernovia: agreed. |
| 20:43.07 | TuxToaster | doesn't need to be gory to entertain |
| 20:43.17 | beandog | Omen isn't gory |
| 20:43.18 | beandog | It's just creepy. |
| 20:43.25 | TuxToaster | that's good |
| 20:43.32 | mindjuju | ninnypants - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wfEziDWLj0 |
| 20:43.55 | supernovia | Creepy is awesome. Unless it's a guy. |
| 20:43.57 | TuxToaster | it's just sad to hear kids that are like, under 10 years old that went to see Saw VI when it came out |
| 20:44.01 | beandog | is that reese witherspoon? |
| 20:44.03 | supernovia | But if it's a movie? Awesome. |
| 20:44.08 | TuxToaster | supernovia: LOL. that's worth a tweet. |
| 20:44.11 | beandog | no |
| 20:44.12 | beandog | its uh |
| 20:44.14 | beandog | julia stiles |
| 20:44.24 | supernovia | lol TuxToaster |
| 20:44.36 | TuxToaster | beandog: seriously? that's even better. she rocks. |
| 20:44.41 | supernovia | I don't want to quote myself, but if you want to, feel free :-D |
| 20:44.44 | beandog | and pete postlethwaite |
| 20:45.07 | mindjuju | if you want a movie with lots of thinking, tons of suspense and maybe a tiny bit of gore, go john carpenter's The Thing |
| 20:45.09 | mindjuju | VERY good |
| 20:45.17 | beandog | If you want lots of gore |
| 20:45.19 | mindjuju | well, maybe a small bit of gore |
| 20:45.22 | beandog | Go watch uh |
| 20:45.24 | beandog | I just forgot the name. |
| 20:45.30 | beandog | Powerpuff Girls |
| 20:46.19 | beandog | they beat the living hamstercrap out of everything |
| 20:46.21 | beandog | it's hilarious :) |
| 20:46.51 | supernovia | Cartoon gore is totally different :) |
| 20:47.14 | TuxToaster | supernovia: https://twitter.com/tuxtoaster/status/30365887483609088 |
| 20:47.18 | supernovia | thanks mindjuju :-D |
| 20:47.32 | beandog | TuxToaster, lol |
| 20:47.36 | supernovia | lol TuxToaster |
| 20:47.37 | ninnypants | if you want super duper creepy and cartoon watch When They Cry |
| 20:48.50 | supernovia | woo, so many movies to watch now.. |
| 20:49.30 | beandog | Do you have to be subscribed to send a post to uphpu-jobs? |
| 20:49.57 | TuxToaster | I don't think so |
| 20:50.12 | supernovia | Okay. I'm gonna get back in the zone here at work. But yeah! tomorrow! Geeks' night out is going to be super rad. |
| 20:50.18 | TuxToaster | but we don't usually get spam on there, not sure if that's because subs required or if it's just moderated |
| 20:51.56 | TuxToaster | ... or is that workingsuperhard? :P |
| 20:52.14 | beandog | maybe we fly under the spamdar |
| 20:53.11 | superworkinghard | hehe |
| 21:05.30 | beandog | I wonder how hard it is to get Linux dual-booted on a mac. |
| 21:05.37 | fatal3rr | not hard |
| 21:05.57 | beandog | Or, more accurately .. what are the chances that I would screw something up hard core. |
| 21:06.06 | fatal3rr | I'd guess pretty slim |
| 21:06.25 | fatal3rr | just grab a partition program, split your drive up and throw a linux disk in on bootup |
| 21:06.32 | beandog | theyre using EFI now arent they |
| 21:06.42 | fatal3rr | it'll even install a boot loader for ya |
| 21:07.26 | fatal3rr | You can, doesnt really matter |
| 21:07.35 | beandog | can you boot off a usb stick w/mac? |
| 21:07.43 | fatal3rr | hm |
| 21:07.50 | fatal3rr | I think so, lemme check |
| 21:08.56 | fatal3rr | Yea, the newer ones anyway |
| 21:09.08 | fatal3rr | Think it's gotta be intel based |
| 21:09.10 | fatal3rr | not sure on that one though |
| 21:09.39 | beandog | Hmm |
| 21:10.28 | josephscott | could probably use bootcamp |
| 21:10.51 | fatal3rr | I just put together a Penta-boot machine |
| 21:11.04 | fatal3rr | on a dell |
| 21:11.07 | fatal3rr | which was a bitch |
| 21:11.20 | fatal3rr | XP, Vista, 7, OSx and ubuntu |
| 21:11.27 | beandog | wow, the ads that came up on googling bootcamp |
| 21:11.29 | beandog | poor teens. |
| 21:11.36 | fatal3rr | lol |
| 21:11.38 | fungus | beandog, get rEFIt |
| 21:11.48 | fungus | That'll let you boot almost anything on a Mac |
| 21:11.49 | beandog | fungus, yah I was just looking at that.. |
| 21:11.57 | josephscott | $google apple boot camp linux |
| 21:12.00 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=apple+boot+camp+linux -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Camp_(software) -- http://www.helium.com/items/421906-how-to-install-linux-on-an-intel-mac-with-boot-camp -- http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Triple_Boot_via_BootCamp |
| 21:12.04 | fungus | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation |
| 21:12.50 | josephscott | and before you do anything, make a full back up and test it |
| 21:13.10 | beandog | josephscott, youre one of *those* people |
| 21:13.18 | beandog | backups are for the non-adventurous |
| 21:13.19 | beandog | :D |
| 21:14.06 | josephscott | backups are for people who have to deal with data centers that catch on fire, get hit by large semi's or both :-) |
| 21:14.07 | beandog | doesnt look too hard. thats good. |
| 21:14.09 | fungus | beandog, technically it's not the USB boot that is a problem. the new MacBookAir's come with a tiny thumb drive for the OS install instead of a disc. |
| 21:14.17 | beandog | You could probably run windows on them, if it's an intel cpu Im guessing |
| 21:14.26 | TuxToaster | josephscott: LOL |
| 21:14.27 | fungus | Your real problem is getting the BIOS boot loaders to run on an EFI system |
| 21:14.32 | beandog | fungus, are you serious? |
| 21:14.33 | superworkinghard | lol josephscott |
| 21:14.33 | josephscott | bootcamp was designed to run windows on mac |
| 21:14.49 | fungus | Yup, really cute little thumb drives. |
| 21:14.57 | beandog | fungus, I thought grub and lilo both support efi now |
| 21:15.23 | fungus | They probably do, but an unmodified Mac might be special |
| 21:15.52 | fungus | BootCamp is fine for most things, but rEFIt will work with nearly anything |
| 21:16.03 | beandog | hmm. okay |
| 21:16.28 | mindjuju | i think friendface is having a problem |
| 21:16.33 | mindjuju | or maybe it's just my browser |
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| 22:19.22 | wps | josephscott: another gripe about WP: |
| 22:19.48 | josephscott | wps ? |
| 22:20.15 | mindjuju | maybe he was kidding? |
| 22:20.25 | josephscott | $8ball did wps really have a gripe? |
| 22:20.25 | raifbot | josephscott - Outlook good. |
| 22:20.26 | wps | not only are the URLs absolute, but the absolute part is not in the configâ¦Â so deploying from a development to a production environment doesn't work |
| 22:20.46 | wps | you type the <production address>/wp-admin and it redirects to <dev address>/wp-admin |
| 22:21.02 | wps | so you can't get in to change the address |
| 22:21.05 | josephscott | hosts file is your friend |
| 22:21.10 | TuxToaster | $raifbot don't you understand that Outlook is NOT good? |
| 22:21.11 | wps | host file? |
| 22:21.14 | TuxToaster | err |
| 22:21.18 | TuxToaster | $r8ball don't you understand that Outlook is NOT good? |
| 22:21.22 | TuxToaster | man |
| 22:21.25 | TuxToaster | $8ball don't you understand that Outlook is NOT good? |
| 22:21.26 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Most likely. |
| 22:21.35 | josephscott | use the same host name in dev and production, just point to a different server using your hosts file |
| 22:21.36 | TuxToaster | way to skirt the answer, bot. |
| 22:22.00 | wps | but why did they build it that way? |
| 22:22.06 | wps | arrrrrrg |
| 22:22.36 | mindjuju | yeah josephscott! why'd you do that! |
| 22:22.41 | josephscott | everything is a trade off |
| 22:22.52 | wps | what's the downside of having that value in the config? |
| 22:23.13 | wps | then you just deploy everything except the config (keeping a unique config in each environment) |
| 22:23.18 | josephscott | too easy to mess up data in the DB |
| 22:23.39 | josephscott | wps: you could even deploy a unified config, just have it detect which host it is on |
| 22:23.58 | TuxToaster | detecting dev vs. production is always a tricky situation |
| 22:24.15 | wps | I have created several custom themes in the past, but it's been a few years |
| 22:24.16 | josephscott | TuxToaster: host so? |
| 22:24.22 | josephscott | how so? |
| 22:24.35 | wps | I'm doing one nowâ¦Â using the new TwentyTen them for the first time and have been disappointed with out complex it's become |
| 22:24.54 | TuxToaster | josephscott: well, for exactly this discussion. there are a lot of different ways to handle it, some are cleaner than others. |
| 22:24.55 | josephscott | we manage to do it for 15 million plus sites across 1,200 plus servers |
| 22:25.16 | josephscott | wps: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:25.27 | TuxToaster | josephscott: not saying there's not a good way to do it, it can just be tricky depending on how the environments are set up |
| 22:25.48 | josephscott | I find some times the frustration is more from not knowing how to do it in native WP and instead ending up hacking guts, which always results in pain later on |
| 22:26.21 | josephscott | TuxToaster: so now you want WP to make up for poor server setups? :-) |
| 22:26.31 | TuxToaster | josephscott: like where I work, for instance, we have to have conditionals in a few places to say "If the server name is this, or this, or this, or this, or this... we are on dev, otherwise, we're on production" |
| 22:26.32 | josephscott | that is how we got to this point in the first place :-) |
| 22:26.40 | wps | I have individual developers working on the same code base |
| 22:26.54 | wps | the have it in their individual sandboxes (unique URLs)⦠we check into SVN |
| 22:26.57 | TuxToaster | josephscott: no, I'm not even talking about WP, I'm just saying it can be tricky in general |
| 22:27.00 | wps | we then check out to beta serverâ¦Â test |
| 22:27.05 | wps | we then SVN up to stagingâ¦Â check |
| 22:27.13 | wps | s/SVN/rsync/ |
| 22:27.18 | wps | we then rsync to production |
| 22:27.36 | josephscott | fun, and by that I mean under pain and agony |
| 22:27.50 | wps | this works with everything except WP, because WP's values are hard-coded into it's database |
| 22:27.55 | TuxToaster | I personally haven't dealt with WP in a way that required me to switch between dev and production environments like wps is having, so I can't speak to that |
| 22:28.04 | josephscott | wps: exactly which values, and where? |
| 22:28.20 | josephscott | I need specifics :-) |
| 22:28.48 | TuxToaster | I'm just saying with webapps (or for that matter, apps in general, it can be tricky to write code that can deal with both environments automatically, especially if you have little/no control over the differences between those environments. |
| 22:29.22 | wps | well, like I said, I type <staging address>/wp-admin and it redirects me to <dev address>/wp-admin |
| 22:29.25 | josephscott | anything can be made to be tricky and painful, the more important question is, can it easily be made not to be tricky or painful |
| 22:29.34 | josephscott | at that point it becomes your choice :-) |
| 22:29.52 | TuxToaster | josephscott: mostly agree :-) |
| 22:30.06 | josephscott | wps: so for that, did the URL settings in wp-config help? |
| 22:30.09 | ninnypants | wps: why are you using the production db in testing? |
| 22:30.27 | wps | ninnypants: I'm not |
| 22:31.15 | wps | josephscott: I don't see URL settings in wp-config.php |
| 22:31.19 | TuxToaster | mostly, just because the dev's choice doesn't always have an impact on other factors (such as the IT topology or differences in servers) and thus their hand is sometimes forced to deal with tricky in the best way they possibly can |
| 22:31.20 | ninnypants | how is that affecting how the url is interperated between servers then? |
| 22:32.09 | wps | because I copied the dev database to the production database (we haven't launched yet) |
| 22:32.19 | josephscott | wps: http://codex.wordpress.org/Editing_wp-config.php#WordPress_address_.28URL.29 |
| 22:33.18 | josephscott | wps if someone has managed to convince the church to launch something in WP I'll donate some time to come by the riverton office and help folks work through issues |
| 22:33.18 | ninnypants | what I always do is change the url in the db then move once ready to launch. I've never had any issues |
| 22:33.35 | wps | josephscott: I don't work for the church anymore :) |
| 22:33.50 | josephscott | really? man, you switch jobs every year :-) |
| 22:33.58 | wps | no I don't |
| 22:34.01 | wps | every two years :) |
| 22:34.04 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:34.06 | *** join/#uphpu sheri (~sheri@c-98-202-72-90.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:34.13 | wps | and that's true |
| 22:34.29 | josephscott | I guess I haven't been here long enough for it to average out yet :-) |
| 22:34.44 | josephscott | I've been here 3.5 years and can think of at least 3 different jobs you've had since then :-) |
| 22:34.48 | josephscott | wps: where are you at now? |
| 22:35.28 | thebigdog | krispy kreme developer |
| 22:35.30 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:35.43 | josephscott | last NT post was 3 Sep 2010 |
| 22:36.35 | tierra | personally, I find it annoying when any PHP software stores the hostname/base_url _anywhere_ (in the DB, or in a config file) unless it's being configured to run on multiple production sites... it never needs to be saved really ever |
| 22:37.07 | josephscott | with 30 million plus sites, it is bound to come up |
| 22:37.25 | TuxToaster | mmmm.... krispy kreme |
| 22:39.27 | wps | sorryâ¦Â someone came to bother me |
| 22:39.31 | wps | reading over the link |
| 22:41.31 | wps | josephscott: WP_SITEURL sounds like exactly what I need |
| 22:41.48 | wps | it didn't work in the test I just tried but I am confirming I did it right |
| 22:42.30 | wps | looks like the file didn't save |
| 22:44.28 | wps | thank you, thank you, thank you |
| 22:44.36 | josephscott | np |
| 22:44.44 | wps | (could be commented out) |
| 22:44.59 | thebigdog | or just read the docs ;) |
| 22:45.11 | mindjuju | ouch |
| 22:45.15 | josephscott | otto also recently published an interesting post on WP and svn - http://ottopress.com/2011/creating-a-wordpress-site-using-svn/ |
| 22:45.20 | thebigdog | ~whaleslap wps |
| 22:45.20 | ibot | ACTION beats wps upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:45.41 | TuxToaster | what is it with whales around here? |
| 22:46.25 | tierra | josephscott: if WP_SITEURL overrides siteurl in DB, does get_site_url() no longer work correctly with HTTPS? |
| 22:46.38 | josephscott | should work |
| 22:48.16 | wps | perhaps I am the minority |
| 22:48.36 | wps | so I am sorry if I came across grouchy |
| 22:48.49 | cedwards | anyone have much exp with wpmu? |
| 22:48.51 | wps | it just surprised meâ¦Â as it seems like a lot of people would run into the same issue |
| 22:49.49 | josephscott | they usually find the wp-config.php docs eventually ;-) |
| 22:49.49 | TuxToaster | wps: I'd venture a guess that quite a few people do (hence the option being available) but that the majority of installs don't have a dev vs production environment setup |
| 22:50.10 | josephscott | or at least a different kind of dev vs prod env |
| 22:50.20 | josephscott | cedwards: any particular questions? |
| 22:50.33 | josephscott | I'd recommend using WP with multisite enabled over WPMU at this point |
| 22:50.55 | cedwards | josephscott: well I'm trying to migrate an unmaintained, outdated WPMU installation to a WP 3.x multisite new installation. |
| 22:51.01 | TuxToaster | $lart raifbot |
| 22:51.01 | raifbot | slaps a compatible dib on raifbot's head. |
| 22:51.26 | cedwards | josephscott: I've configured multisite, everything seems to work. I've imported the old database tables according to the prefix (wp_) being used in the old database. |
| 22:51.31 | josephscott | make copies of everything and try the upgrade on a test server |
| 22:52.02 | cedwards | josephscott: I've got the permalinks working, but anytime I navigate to a subfolder blog I get 'cannot connect to database' |
| 22:52.48 | cedwards | ..also, all of my blogs and users show up but I don't have any posts. I must have missed a db table, but I don't see where. |
| 22:52.54 | josephscott | I'd recommend copying everything (DB/code, etc.) and go through the upgrade process |
| 22:53.11 | josephscott | on a separate test server |
| 22:53.15 | cedwards | of course |
| 22:53.37 | cedwards | I'll try that. I was hoping to clean out the old cruft by migrating the essentials to a new installation, but that may not be an option. |
| 22:53.54 | josephscott | might be after an upgrade is done successfully |
| 22:54.28 | josephscott | the WPMU -> WP3 upgrade process was tested quite a bit and has been done by many people, that is the route I'd trust the most |
| 22:54.41 | josephscott | make sure that you are on the latest WPMU version before making the upgrade jump to WP3 |
| 22:55.18 | cedwards | it's currently on WPMU 2.9.2 I believe |
| 22:55.41 | cedwards | check this out. part of the resaon I thought I'd try to start over: |
| 22:55.48 | cedwards | show tables; 1630 rows in set (0.02 sec) |
| 22:56.03 | SunSparc | what?! |
| 22:56.06 | cedwards | that *can't* be right for a normal WPMU installation |
| 22:56.09 | josephscott | WP creates roughly the same table structure |
| 22:56.13 | josephscott | sure it can |
| 22:56.27 | cedwards | 1630 tables in the wpmu database?! |
| 22:56.28 | josephscott | you don't even want to know how many tables we have for WordPress.com :-) |
| 22:56.41 | josephscott | how many blogs are in the WPMU install? |
| 22:56.53 | cedwards | 154 sites. 169 users. |
| 22:57.09 | josephscott | each blog gets a set of its own tables |
| 22:57.14 | josephscott | trying to remember how many |
| 22:57.26 | SunSparc | Nightmare |
| 22:57.36 | TuxToaster | plus plugins can create several tables |
| 22:57.36 | josephscott | 9 |
| 22:57.39 | cedwards | maybe it is right then. I assumed the other tables were old versions, or extras, or plugin cruft, etc. |
| 22:57.39 | josephscott | SunSparc: why? |
| 22:58.10 | josephscott | TuxToaster: generally speaking, plugins should avoid creating their own tables, for 99% of installs |
| 22:58.11 | SunSparc | On the other hand, if one site gets corrupted, the others should be unaffected. |
| 22:58.22 | cedwards | let me try this again with the full db then. |
| 22:58.38 | josephscott | cedwards: if you really want to start over, do a WP export of each blog |
| 22:58.44 | josephscott | then import them into the new install |
| 22:58.56 | josephscott | copying the DB and such directly is bound to result in something getting missed |
| 22:59.04 | TuxToaster | josephscott: I agree, or at least limit how much they create -- I installed a download manager plugin that created like 6 or 7 different tables |
| 22:59.21 | TuxToaster | and guessing that's most likely per site as well |
| 22:59.24 | josephscott | SunSparc: with 15 million plus sites, having separate tables is a major win for WordPress.com |
| 22:59.59 | SunSparc | From a safety standpoint, I can see that josephscott |
| 23:00.16 | josephscott | also for performance |
| 23:00.23 | josephscott | huge help performance wise |
| 23:00.29 | cedwards | josephscott: I did start doing manual exports of each blog, but it was very tedious doing 154 blogs! |
| 23:00.40 | josephscott | cedwards: yeah, not fun. |
| 23:00.49 | josephscott | hence my suggestion of the upgrade process |
| 23:00.56 | cedwards | I don't suppose there is a table cleanup plugin or something.. |
| 23:01.13 | josephscott | SunSparc: we can shard based on blog across dozens of DB servers |
| 23:01.30 | josephscott | we even open sourced the code |
| 23:01.41 | josephscott | http://codex.wordpress.org/HyperDB |
| 23:01.41 | TuxToaster | josephscott: just for the fun of it, I'd be curious how the sharding is handled there |
| 23:01.48 | josephscott | TuxToaster: http://codex.wordpress.org/HyperDB |
| 23:02.16 | cedwards | jeez. mysqldump of the whole db is over 100M. |
| 23:02.30 | DexterTheDragon | 0.o |
| 23:02.35 | josephscott | it takes care of the sharding automatically, as well dealing with mysql master/slave replication setups |
| 23:02.42 | josephscott | and multi data center installs |
| 23:02.51 | *** join/#uphpu kingsol (~kingsol@64.0.193.12) |
| 23:02.54 | TuxToaster | will have to look at that later, very interesting |
| 23:02.57 | josephscott | with failover support, across multiple network interfaces |
| 23:02.59 | SunSparc | josephscott: sounds cool |
| 23:03.42 | josephscott | so creating 9 tables for each new blog on a multisite install might sound like a pain for a install with just a few blogs. for thousands or millions it is life saver |
| 23:04.02 | josephscott | don't let anyone tell you WordPress doesn't scale :-) |
| 23:04.55 | josephscott | or PHP for that matter |
| 23:05.31 | TuxToaster | heh, Facebook and others are proof of the PHP side of that as well |
| 23:05.38 | josephscott | yep |
| 23:05.49 | TuxToaster | it may not be the ideal language for a lot of things, but it does work very well if you know it. |
| 23:06.10 | josephscott | nothing is ideal, just languages with different issues |
| 23:06.52 | TuxToaster | I have yet to encounter something that I've had to do in PHP that couldn't be done. Might have to dig a bit and learn something new, but nothing has stopped me cold. |
| 23:07.21 | cedwards | josephscott: can you tell me what the latest WPMU version is so I can make sure I upgrade from there to multisite 3.x? |
| 23:08.02 | josephscott | 2.9.2 looks like the last release - http://svn.automattic.com/wordpress-mu/tags/ |
| 23:08.16 | carmony | blah, what a day |
| 23:08.20 | carmony | its all 8ball's fault |
| 23:08.31 | cedwards | thank you |
| 23:08.43 | carmony | $8ball is it 8ball's fault that I had a bad day? |
| 23:08.43 | raifbot | carmony - Better not tell you now. |
| 23:08.49 | carmony | lol! |
| 23:09.17 | josephscott | best to wait until carmony has cooled down 8ball :-) |
| 23:10.09 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:13.27 | cedwards | josephscott: the 'update network' button is total win, btw. |
| 23:13.55 | josephscott | yeah, just make sure to do regular backups. yes. I'm that guy :-) |
| 23:15.08 | cedwards | josephscott: ohh, I noticed something that maybe you can comment on (or pass along).. |
| 23:15.44 | cedwards | josephscott: I generally maintain my WP installations via svn co, which also pulls in akismet. I've noticed recently that the svn co of akismet is outdated and suggests an update on login. |
| 23:16.07 | cedwards | josephscott: maybe that just got overlooked, or perhaps it's not going to be maintained in the svn co anymore..? |
| 23:16.11 | josephscott | hmmm, -trunk for akismet should have the latests, let me look |
| 23:16.36 | TuxToaster | wow, we are the kings of hokey workarounds for solutions. heh. |
| 23:16.58 | TuxToaster | overhearing a solution for providing an alert when a payment declines |
| 23:17.22 | TuxToaster | wherein when the payment history screen loads, it checks to see if a decline was posted in the last 10 seconds and alerts, every time |
| 23:17.45 | cedwards | josephscott: I *just* did a checkout (svn co http://core.svn.wordpress.org/tags/3.0.4/ .). It pulled in akismet, but it's not up to date. |
| 23:17.49 | TuxToaster | rather than actually just sending the decline response back to the browser in real time like a normal process should be, because that's "too complicated" |
| 23:18.11 | josephscott | cedwards: should have 2.5.2 |
| 23:18.45 | josephscott | ohhh, for 3.0.4 |
| 23:19.01 | josephscott | not sure if 3.0.4 is pinned to the latest any more. |
| 23:19.22 | josephscott | the whole situation with akismet versions and WP, is, ..... not ideal |
| 23:19.23 | cedwards | josephscott: I have Version 2.4.0. |
| 23:19.48 | josephscott | yeah, we've been focusing on WP3.1 release, which will ship with akismet 2.5.2 :-) |
| 23:20.06 | josephscott | been awhile since I looked at 3.0.x |
| 23:20.36 | wps | http://granitepeaksgi.com |
| 23:20.44 | wps | that site load for ya'll? |
| 23:20.57 | josephscott | yes |
| 23:21.00 | wps | thanks |
| 23:21.42 | cedwards | josephscott: one last question (because I know you love doing WP support!). To allow WP to do plugin/theme/install updates on its own, does it need to be apache:apache ownership? I've not been able to get it to work with only group ownership. |
| 23:22.42 | josephscott | there are a couple of different ways, if you want to do direct updates then the user that runs your PHP processes needs to be the owner |
| 23:22.56 | josephscott | or you enable ftp/ssh based upgrading |
| 23:23.10 | josephscott | or you hack a small line into WP core, which I don't really recommend |
| 23:24.02 | cedwards | I generally configure mine as user:web-server ownership, but it does seem like the PHP/Web user needs to be owner, not group. |
| 23:24.36 | josephscott | yeah, WP attempts to write a small test file in wp-content |
| 23:24.48 | josephscott | and checks the ownership of that file |
| 23:24.59 | josephscott | if things don't match, then it won't enable direct file updates |
| 23:25.14 | cedwards | I would think that group-write permissions inside wp-content/{plugins,themes} would be sufficient.. |
| 23:25.55 | josephscott | the check is specific to the owner, it doesn't look at the group |
| 23:27.24 | cedwards | but wouldn't group-write permissions in wp-content be functionally sufficient to update plugins? |
| 23:28.32 | cedwards | I generally understand it to be bad practice to set file ownership as web server user. |
| 23:28.33 | josephscott | perhaps technically, but that isn't what it checks for |
| 23:29.00 | josephscott | yes, generally bad practice, I recommend the FTP/SSH based option for most folks |
| 23:59.21 | TuxToaster | $8ball is Wednesday over? |
| 23:59.21 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Very doubtful. |
| 23:59.30 | TuxToaster | good call. |