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| 03:39.51 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 03:39.51 | raifbot | When Chuck Norris had surgery, the anesthesia was applied to the doctors. |
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| 03:56.03 | herlo | why did Chuck Norris have surgery? He can't die! |
| 03:56.29 | herlo | were they doing experiments to find out how he is so amazing? |
| 04:14.46 | TuxToaster | $lart the doctors |
| 04:14.47 | raifbot | hereby declares the doctors a troll. |
| 04:25.52 | josephscott | $8ball can chuck norris die? |
| 04:25.52 | raifbot | josephscott - Ask again later. |
| 04:25.56 | josephscott | coward |
| 04:29.11 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 04:29.22 | TuxToaster | $8ball can chuck norris die? |
| 04:29.22 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes. |
| 04:29.28 | TuxToaster | wow. |
| 04:29.32 | TuxToaster | $8ball really? |
| 04:29.32 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 04:29.45 | TuxToaster | LOL. the bot has sarcasm. |
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| 04:39.23 | wps | anyone have thoughts on using usernames vs email addresses for website accounts? |
| 04:47.42 | ninnypants | wps: I like usernames their shorter than email, and I don't have 5 of them :) |
| 04:48.20 | ninnypants | s/their/they're/ |
| 04:48.44 | wps | me tooâ¦Â for the same reasons |
| 04:50.10 | wps | the thing that I'm struggling with though is that I want to require an email address |
| 04:50.22 | wps | â¦so that they can request password resets |
| 04:50.32 | wps | and if I'm going to require a unique emailâ¦Â why not just use that? |
| 04:51.02 | wps | what's the point in having two unique IDs in the database? what's the point in an extra field in the sign-up form? |
| 04:51.12 | herlo | a lot of accounts I've seen lately use the email as the key, and then have an optional 'screen name' or something |
| 04:51.21 | ninnypants | good point |
| 04:51.33 | wps | if email is required and it's unique, shouldn't that be sufficient |
| 04:51.36 | herlo | so they could do soemthing like 'http://herlo.mycoolsite.com' as a url you could give away |
| 04:51.48 | herlo | it just depends on what you want it for |
| 04:51.50 | wps | an optional screen name is great for a social siteâ¦Â this isn't a social site thoughâ¦Â there's not screen name to be displayed anywhere |
| 04:51.55 | herlo | I can see the use for screen name |
| 04:52.07 | ninnypants | yeah I would just go with an email then |
| 04:52.08 | herlo | but it's not a universal truth |
| 04:52.18 | wps | universal truth? |
| 04:52.28 | herlo | as in, it should not be used everywhere |
| 04:52.29 | ninnypants | it's not right everywhere |
| 04:52.33 | wps | ah |
| 04:52.34 | wps | yes |
| 04:52.43 | herlo | just, it's common |
| 04:53.30 | wps | I've been reading email vs. username across the web for the last hour and the most common reason to not use email is that email accounts change |
| 04:53.31 | ninnypants | yeah my only issue with being able to use both to log in is I'm not always sure which one they want |
| 04:53.40 | wps | but that doesn't hold water |
| 04:53.41 | herlo | lol @ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=universal%20truth |
| 04:53.48 | wps | because it applies equally to both scenarios |
| 04:53.57 | herlo | wps: here's one |
| 04:54.08 | herlo | consider tripit.com |
| 04:54.14 | herlo | it's not really a social site |
| 04:54.25 | wps | whether you're logging in with username or email and your email address changes, you'll still be able to log inâ¦Â you just won't be able to request a password reset email |
| 04:54.25 | herlo | but it could be construed as one if you want, and they've done so |
| 04:54.39 | herlo | however, you can have one primary email, then multiple secondary ones |
| 04:54.56 | ninnypants | though if you have me make a screen name let me log in with it don't just display it on pages and nothing else |
| 04:54.58 | herlo | so maybe the username is the primary key and the email is just one method of verification for login |
| 04:55.17 | herlo | ninnypants: yes, agreed |
| 04:55.43 | herlo | I think it can be flexible and require 2 of 3 elements. Password being the one constant |
| 04:55.58 | herlo | either email or login name + password |
| 04:56.10 | herlo | then the only question is, which one is unique |
| 04:56.12 | ninnypants | yeah and it's a pretty easy query too |
| 04:56.25 | herlo | and emails too actually |
| 04:56.35 | ninnypants | user name if you're going to allow multiple emails |
| 04:56.47 | herlo | since you can't technically have the email in two accounts |
| 04:56.55 | herlo | but now we're setting rules |
| 04:57.01 | herlo | wps: thoughts? |
| 04:57.01 | ninnypants | true they'd both need to be keys too |
| 04:57.11 | herlo | ninnypants: sorta |
| 04:57.24 | wps | I agree that username is good if you allow multiple emails |
| 04:57.45 | herlo | not required authentication keys, but indeed for verification and removign duplicate accounts |
| 04:58.27 | ninnypants | herlo: I ment in the DB so having the two possibilities doesn't slow queries down |
| 04:58.45 | herlo | ninnypants: agreed. Well, it's midnight here. night fellas |
| 04:59.05 | ninnypants | wps: I would say that if you're not going to use the username anywhere in the site just go with email |
| 04:59.15 | wps | that's where I'm leaning |
| 04:59.20 | wps | I'm not going to use a username anywhere |
| 04:59.21 | ninnypants | on the east coast eh herlo |
| 04:59.23 | ninnypants | ? |
| 04:59.34 | ninnypants | yeah I would say email is probably best |
| 04:59.48 | herlo | yup baltimore, nn for realz :) |
| 05:00.01 | ninnypants | later herlo |
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| 16:51.59 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 16:51.59 | raifbot | teaches unum that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 16:52.13 | josephscott | $weather salt lake city, ut |
| 16:52.13 | raifbot | josephscott - current weather for salt lake city, ut - Rain and Snow 36f / 2c Humidity: 93% Wind: NW at 12 mph |
| 16:53.32 | herlo | $weather baltimore, md |
| 16:53.32 | raifbot | herlo - current weather for baltimore, md - Mostly Cloudy 46f / 8c Humidity: 73% Wind: W at 4 mph |
| 16:54.00 | josephscott | nice |
| 16:54.25 | herlo | very, compared to SLC :) |
| 16:54.40 | herlo | 10 degrees warmer and only cloudy |
| 17:12.13 | macnewbold | $weather park city, ut |
| 17:12.14 | raifbot | macnewbold - current weather for park city, ut - Snow Showers 31f / -1c Humidity: 63% Wind: W at 14 mph |
| 17:20.56 | stderr | http://imgur.com/tJUvS |
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| 17:46.28 | ninnypants | stderr: I saw that on ihasahotdog.com |
| 17:47.12 | ninnypants | lots of dogs seem to do that I've read quite a few stories. I wonder if this one will get a statue too. |
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| 19:14.40 | SunSparc | ~NETSPLIT |
| 19:14.40 | ibot | somebody said netsplit was something that happens when two IRC servers lose their link, thus isolating the users on every side from each other. a normal part of ALL irc networks, despite what some people bitching about larger networks may seem to think, or an orchestra of poips and thwoops, or something which occurs frequently on OPN |
| 19:14.47 | SunSparc | NOOOOO!!!!!!! |
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| 19:21.30 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 19:21.30 | raifbot | Chuck Norris has an Xbox Live account. On Playstation |
| 19:23.29 | ninnypants | impressive |
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| 20:09.44 | wps | can anyone see anything wrong with this query? |
| 20:09.44 | wps | DELETE FROM company_cms.pages_revisions pare LEFT JOIN company_cms.pages page ON page.page_id=pare.pare_page_id WHERE pare.pare_page_id=54 AND pare.pare_id!=page.page_revision |
| 20:09.53 | wps | it produces a syntax error |
| 20:10.03 | wps | I tried replacing "delete" with "select *" though and it works |
| 20:10.58 | pelaofeliz | wps: what SQL software? |
| 20:11.24 | wps | mysql |
| 20:12.53 | pelaofeliz | which table are you trying to delete the records from? |
| 20:13.00 | jsmith | JOINs on deletes are a pain in MySQL :-( |
| 20:13.26 | pelaofeliz | amen to that |
| 20:13.43 | pelaofeliz | from the mysql docs: DELETE t1 FROM t1 LEFT JOIN t2 ON t1.id=t2.id WHERE t2.id IS NULL; |
| 20:13.50 | pelaofeliz | it may be that first 't1' that you're missing |
| 20:15.40 | josephscott | more people should use views in mysql, assuming views don't completely stink in mysql still |
| 20:15.56 | jsmith | josephscott: Big assumption :-p |
| 20:16.00 | josephscott | :-) |
| 20:16.16 | jsmith | I'm not ashamed to admit that in public |
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| 20:19.25 | thebigdog | josephscott: views still suck in mysql |
| 20:19.36 | josephscott | that's a shame |
| 20:19.46 | thebigdog | jsmith: imho there are only rare occasions you should use materialized views |
| 20:19.50 | thebigdog | in any database |
| 20:21.22 | jsmith | thebigdog: I know... I know when (and when not) to use them :-) |
| 20:23.27 | thebigdog | you made it sound like you use them all the time |
| 20:24.58 | jsmith | No, I rarely use them |
| 20:25.08 | jsmith | But I really like them when I do |
| 20:25.10 | jsmith | :-) |
| 20:26.17 | jsmith | They're great for the "database load spiking because Joe in Shipping keeps recalculating his paycheck every five minutes" type of polling events |
| 20:26.55 | josephscott | is he getting a raise every 5 minutes? |
| 20:27.01 | josephscott | where do I sign up for that? |
| 20:32.15 | jsmith | Well, let me put a little more detail in the picture |
| 20:32.30 | jsmith | Once upon a time, in a company far far away... |
| 20:32.52 | jsmith | ... we decided to us a data-driven model for figuring out who to hand pink slips to |
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| 20:34.55 | beandog | did spelling have anything to do with it |
| 20:35.22 | jsmith | beandog: Nope. |
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| 20:35.33 | beandog | win! |
| 20:35.53 | jsmith | Every employee (at least at that level of the company) was given an "Performing Employee Ratio" |
| 20:36.21 | jsmith | A ratio that essentially boiled down the ratio between what you made the company and what you cost the company |
| 20:36.34 | beandog | ugh. |
| 20:36.47 | supernovia | I've had to build reports like that before. People hated me. |
| 20:37.08 | jsmith | The query to generate said report was over 250 lines long |
| 20:37.22 | jsmith | and took about a minute to process for ~600 employees |
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| 20:37.40 | jsmith | Of course, the managers wanted to constantly update their metrics throughout the day |
| 20:37.46 | beandog | jsmith, wow. |
| 20:37.53 | jsmith | So they'd hit the refresh button in their browser every few minutes |
| 20:37.54 | supernovia | 8-0 |
| 20:37.55 | beandog | Thats like, a whole boat of red flags for me ... |
| 20:38.17 | beandog | I can't stand metrics |
| 20:38.23 | beandog | I'm here. That's good enough. |
| 20:38.23 | supernovia | how often were these guys handing out slips? |
| 20:38.24 | beandog | :) |
| 20:38.44 | jsmith | supernovia: Every month. "Fire the bottom 10%, and hire replacements" |
| 20:38.51 | supernovia | Hmm. |
| 20:38.52 | jsmith | supernovia: They also gave raises to the top 20% :-) |
| 20:38.53 | beandog | Wow. |
| 20:39.10 | beandog | So, really ... the person in charge of personnel was the coder. |
| 20:39.19 | beandog | ;) |
| 20:39.21 | DexterTheDragon | thats a great way to get employees to back stab each other |
| 20:39.27 | jsmith | Anyhoo, to make a long story short -- I setup a materialized view to do the calculations every 10 minutes |
| 20:39.28 | supernovia | seriously |
| 20:39.42 | supernovia | unless they just didn't know. |
| 20:39.43 | jsmith | That way, the managers could hit refresh all they wanted, but they'd only get new data every 10 minutes |
| 20:39.43 | wps | thanks, pelaofeliz |
| 20:39.45 | wps | that was it |
| 20:39.46 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, well thats assuming theyd wanna stay working there |
| 20:39.59 | supernovia | you'd think they'd want -averages- |
| 20:40.30 | ninnypants | they don't think that far ahead ;p |
| 20:40.35 | beandog | or just enjoy back stabbing. |
| 20:40.37 | jsmith | supernovia: Averages are deceiving... what you really want is means and standard deviations |
| 20:40.49 | jsmith | supernovia: and then demote or promote the outliers :-) |
| 20:40.53 | supernovia | seriously I had nightmares about the girls that were let go after I had to make a report like that. It's efficient⦠maybe⦠(cost of training and the cost of poor morale would have to factor in though) |
| 20:41.04 | beandog | supernovia, srsly. |
| 20:42.43 | supernovia | I did feel, though, like it was the right decision when that happened. I just wished they could have been moved somewhere else â but they were making bank, not well skilled, and we actually ended up doing away with that entire function and outsourcing it. I dreamed I saw L. on the streets with all her teeth out... |
| 20:42.56 | jsmith | :-( |
| 20:42.59 | supernovia | and that she tried to mug me :-p |
| 20:43.51 | supernovia | and the other girl was my _friend_ (why the boss disclosed the reports is beyond me) and several years later when i saw her at a funeral, she was still mad at me. |
| 20:43.53 | supernovia | :-p |
| 20:43.56 | beandog | first rule of evil management .. outsource your concious |
| 20:44.23 | josephscott | jsmith: backdoor to always put yourself at about the 19% spot? |
| 20:44.35 | josephscott | top 19% that is |
| 20:45.48 | jsmith | josephscott: No, I shared the code to the query with the other technical folks, so they could audit it :-( |
| 20:46.00 | beandog | jsmith, so, which company was this for? |
| 20:46.03 | beandog | just so I can avoid it like the plague |
| 20:46.19 | jsmith | beandog: You're too smart to apply there, anyway :-p |
| 20:46.23 | josephscott | jsmith: then you go deeper, hack the DB to watch for the query and always make sure you end up in the right spot |
| 20:46.24 | beandog | sweet! |
| 20:46.33 | josephscott | like the old C compiler password hack |
| 20:46.45 | jsmith | josephscott: I ran a very transparent organization while I was there :-) |
| 20:46.55 | jsmith | josephscott: Because there was a lot of mistrust before me |
| 20:47.44 | josephscott | gee, a company that regularly fired the bottom 10%, can't imagine why there would be lots of mistrust ;-) |
| 20:48.25 | beandog | sounds like a call center |
| 20:48.28 | jsmith | josephscott: It was mostly call center workers, so there was going to be a fair amount of turnover anyway |
| 20:48.36 | jsmith | josephscott: This just formalized it a bit more |
| 20:48.41 | beandog | apple turnovers? |
| 20:48.52 | supernovia | mmmmm |
| 20:49.03 | josephscott | apple pie? |
| 20:50.12 | mindjuju1 | @fungus, is there a performance difference between 8p8c connector for solid cable v 8p8c connector for stranded. what happens if i mix the two? |
| 20:50.28 | beandog | mindjuju1, don't cross the streams |
| 20:50.36 | mindjuju1 | sup beandog |
| 20:51.00 | beandog | I'm trying to gain 10 lbs |
| 20:51.13 | beandog | So Im drinking nothing but chocolate milk |
| 20:51.20 | supernovia | you need some of those enchiladas! |
| 20:51.44 | mindjuju1 | enchiladas? |
| 20:52.22 | supernovia | Yah, chicken+green chile+cream cheese awesomeness |
| 20:52.28 | supernovia | and pepperjack. can't forget that. |
| 20:52.41 | mindjuju1 | ah |
| 20:52.48 | mindjuju1 | homemade or store bought? |
| 20:53.09 | supernovia | since pretty much the coolest person ever might be there |
| 20:53.14 | supernovia | homemade :) |
| 20:53.27 | mindjuju1 | who is going to be there? |
| 20:53.28 | jsmith | supernovia: I'm not coming :-( |
| 20:53.35 | supernovia | Oh noes! Well, bag that ;-) |
| 20:53.35 | beandog | mindjuju1, your mom |
| 20:53.52 | mindjuju1 | ~toejam beandog |
| 20:53.53 | ibot | ACTION wipes all the crud and beandog from out between his toes. Yuck! |
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| 20:54.24 | beandog | your mom's name is sheri? |
| 20:54.29 | supernovia | lol |
| 20:54.59 | beandog | mindjuju1, josephscott is thinking about your mom |
| 20:55.01 | supernovia | lol. alright, I gotta get some work done |
| 20:55.11 | mindjuju1 | so josephscott |
| 20:55.27 | mindjuju1 | what happens if i use 8p8c solid connectors on stranded cable |
| 20:55.35 | mindjuju1 | does it degrade quality? |
| 20:56.29 | josephscott | no idea, I have worried about network cables in awhile |
| 20:56.42 | mindjuju1 | huh |
| 20:57.00 | mindjuju1 | id ask PLUG, but i'm afraid it'll tangent into a political conversation |
| 21:08.45 | fungus | mindjuju1, what is 8p8c? |
| 21:09.35 | fungus | ahh, RJ45 |
| 21:10.59 | fungus | I don't know what you mean by solid vs stranded? |
| 21:11.36 | fungus | oh, stranded wires in an RJ45 jack? that will not likely crimp very well. |
| 21:12.27 | fungus | Also, where did you find stranded wires? I've never seen those other than things like speaker wire and whatnot |
| 21:17.18 | mindjuju1 | hi fungus |
| 21:17.29 | mindjuju1 | here is the page for the connectors |
| 21:17.30 | mindjuju1 | http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=cat+5e+connector&x=0&y=0 |
| 21:17.51 | mindjuju1 | my understanding is that solid is used for cable that isn't going to be moved, so like in between walls, etc |
| 21:17.58 | mindjuju1 | and stranded is for every day use |
| 21:18.11 | mindjuju1 | solid, less bendy |
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| 21:20.29 | fungus | interesting, that's new to me. I have never seen any stranded cable, at least not that I could tell. I know for sure I have never crimped any of my own cable that was stranded. |
| 21:20.57 | fungus | But to answer your question, No, stranded and solid connectors are incompatible. |
| 21:21.03 | fungus | http://compnetworking.about.com/od/networkcables/l/blfaq014.htm |
| 21:22.00 | mindjuju1 | curious |
| 21:24.49 | fungus | Likely because I always buy patch cables pre-made. And wiring between patch panels and jacks is usually always solid |
| 21:25.01 | mindjuju1 | ah |
| 21:25.03 | mindjuju1 | gotcha |
| 21:25.07 | beandog | fungus, can you throw in some political commentary for mindjuju1 while you're at it |
| 21:25.30 | beandog | since he was too scared to go to plug |
| 21:25.35 | beandog | he needs his daily quota. |
| 21:25.41 | mindjuju1 | i did ask in #utah, but nobody stirred |
| 21:25.49 | mindjuju1 | oh, and by the way, anne hathaway is the new catwoman |
| 21:25.51 | mindjuju1 | http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/435-anne-hathaway-is-your-new-selina-kyle |
| 21:25.55 | fungus | For a fantastic laugh go see http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page |
| 21:25.56 | beandog | mindjuju1, are you serious. |
| 21:25.57 | mindjuju1 | hmm, i'm not sure about that |
| 21:26.57 | beandog | I'm so tired of seeing her in every movie |
| 21:27.13 | mindjuju1 | wow, they have Bane in the next batman movie? |
| 21:27.51 | beandog | mindjuju1, oh no |
| 21:28.04 | beandog | don't tell me the next batman is going to be another villian supershow. |
| 21:28.09 | beandog | that always ruins the movies |
| 21:28.21 | mindjuju1 | i heard spiderman 3 was that way |
| 21:28.24 | mindjuju1 | haven't seen it yet |
| 21:28.27 | mindjuju1 | i scared |
| 21:28.28 | beandog | Or should we all sit down and watch Batman Forever again |
| 21:28.37 | beandog | mindjuju1, just watch the dance scene on youtube |
| 21:28.47 | mindjuju1 | yeah, i saw that , you posted it weeks ago |
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| 21:29.27 | beandog | lol |
| 21:29.30 | beandog | emo chipmunk |
| 21:30.15 | mindjuju1 | wow |
| 21:30.31 | mindjuju1 | for netflix peoples - http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/432-netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds |
| 21:30.38 | mindjuju1 | ramping up to end DVD service? |
| 21:31.03 | beandog | mindjuju1, oh man. thats much ado about nothing. |
| 21:31.13 | mindjuju1 | you don't think they'll do it? |
| 21:31.17 | beandog | not a chance. |
| 21:58.36 | josephscott | can we just skip the rest of today and go directly to tomorrow? |
| 21:59.16 | unum | the need to get a lot more stuff licensed for digitial distribution before they can do that |
| 22:08.03 | SunSparc | I mean, http://bluesunhosting.com/pages/development |
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| 23:04.51 | mindjuju1 | @mgeary, did you see that seussical is coming to Utah - http://www.byuarts.com/calendar/eventdescription_v2.php?eventid=710 |
| 23:05.07 | mindjuju1 | it's the NY touring performing group |
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| 23:36.08 | thebigdog | all i have to say today is that "I can't fix stupid!" |
| 23:40.22 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:40.35 | macnewbold | my quote of the month is "The beatings will continue until morale improves" |
| 23:41.22 | macnewbold | yours makes me think of "here's your sign" and "signs for sale - $1 each or 4 for $5" |
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| 23:42.32 | thebigdog | i need a shirt that says that just for work |
| 23:42.38 | thebigdog | i can put on during meetings |
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