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| 00:33.54 | MorrisCox | Hello. Need help with lines 32-45 of http://www.pastie.org/1454568 The XML/XSL from line 32 isn't being included in line 44. Btw, anyone near St. George? |
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| 00:36.29 | jsmith | MorrisCox: Looking at it now |
| 00:38.10 | jsmith | MorrisCox: Do you have samples of the XML and XSL files handy? |
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| 00:38.38 | MorrisCox | Yes. |
| 00:39.11 | MorrisCox | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4651214/how-to-remove-a-node-based-on-contents-of-a-subnode-and-then-convert-to-csv-with |
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| 00:40.58 | jsmith | MorrisCox: OK, gimme a second to chew through it |
| 00:41.15 | MorrisCox | k |
| 00:47.13 | ninnypants | MorrisCox: where is the oppening if for the else or line 50? |
| 00:50.01 | MorrisCox | ... |
| 00:50.44 | MorrisCox | ninnypants, look at line 24. |
| 00:52.39 | ninnypants | that closes on line 46 |
| 00:53.55 | ninnypants | also try running array_values on get_object_vars($fos) |
| 00:54.28 | MorrisCox | How would I do that? I've done PHP, but am quite rusty. |
| 00:54.29 | ninnypants | I don't think fputcsv takes associative arrays |
| 00:55.23 | MorrisCox | That would explain the Array errors. |
| 00:55.34 | ninnypants | http://www.pastie.org/1454705 |
| 00:56.34 | MorrisCox | And lines 35-41 don't work either. |
| 00:57.04 | ninnypants | what's the array error that you get? |
| 00:59.08 | MorrisCox | PHP Notice: Array to string conversion in /home/morris/projects/grantsgov/xml2csv.php on line 46 |
| 00:59.55 | MorrisCox | Actually, there's a lot of line numbers. |
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| 01:01.22 | MorrisCox | array_values doesn't seem to help with that. |
| 01:02.07 | MorrisCox | And lines 35-41 give me an error about $record not existing. |
| 01:02.17 | ninnypants | ok so looking at this closer I would get rid of the xsl and xslt parts if you're just going to put the data into a csv |
| 01:02.50 | MorrisCox | I need to remove test and expired entries. |
| 01:09.35 | ninnypants | MorrisCox: how many are there in the file? |
| 01:09.55 | MorrisCox | Probably dozens. The XML file is about 40 megs. |
| 01:10.09 | ninnypants | ok |
| 01:10.15 | MorrisCox | Maybe hundreds. |
| 01:11.57 | MorrisCox | To make it worse, I found out I need to look for <FundingOppModSynopsis>, as well as <FundingOppSynopsis>. |
| 01:13.13 | jsmith | MorrisCox: I'm getting closer... but just so that I understand... you're trying to return just the "real" opportunities in the CSV file, and filter out the "test" ones, correct? |
| 01:15.24 | ninnypants | MorrisCox: try this http://www.pastie.org/1454749 |
| 01:15.28 | MorrisCox | Yes. "Test" and ones that are past the <ArchiveDate>. |
| 01:18.33 | jsmith | Sounds like XPath would be a better option, but I'm almost there using XSLT they way you had your original example |
| 01:19.00 | MorrisCox | Testing it. |
| 01:19.25 | MorrisCox | PHP Notice: Array to string conversion in /home/morris/projects/grantsgov/xml2csv.php on line 47 |
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| 01:20.49 | MorrisCox | Line 47 is fputcsv($f, array_values(get_object_vars($fos)),',','"'); |
| 01:25.05 | ninnypants | try this one I've edited it http://www.pastie.org/1454749 |
| 01:28.13 | MorrisCox | k |
| 01:33.06 | MorrisCox | PHP Notice: Array to string conversion in /home/morris/projects/grantsgov/xml2csv.php on line 55 |
| 01:34.29 | MorrisCox | Whoo hoo! The test entries have been removed! |
| 01:36.57 | MorrisCox | Also need to check for <ApplicationsDueDate> in order to remove expired entries. |
| 01:42.17 | MorrisCox | Thanks, ninnypants! |
| 01:42.55 | ninnypants | np what's the array stirng notice for? |
| 01:44.31 | MorrisCox | It's complaining about: fputcsv($f, array_values(get_object_vars($fos))); |
| 01:44.57 | ninnypants | weird any ideas why, jsmith? |
| 01:46.01 | jsmith | ninnypants: No, I've been solving the problem a different way (with XPath) |
| 01:46.09 | jsmith | ninnypants: I'll look at your code in a second |
| 01:46.18 | ninnypants | ok cool |
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| 01:46.30 | ninnypants | would love to see your code too |
| 01:47.44 | MorrisCox | Likewise. :) |
| 01:48.41 | TuxToaster | slightly awkward place to come into a conversation... |
| 01:48.45 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 01:49.19 | ninnypants | heh well you know |
| 01:49.29 | MorrisCox | :) |
| 01:49.37 | ninnypants | $randomnumber |
| 01:50.32 | ninnypants | oh there's a dash |
| 01:50.35 | ninnypants | $random-number |
| 01:50.35 | raifbot | ninnypants your number is : 763,212,452 |
| 02:04.41 | MorrisCox | Will && trim($fos->ApplicationsDueDate) !<= '$current_date' work? |
| 02:06.23 | MorrisCox | PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '!' in /home/morris/projects/grantsgov/xml2csv.php on line 54 |
| 02:06.31 | jsmith | OK, my code is a bit different, but it should really help: http://uphpu.pastebin.com/e5qHGHzs |
| 02:06.58 | jsmith | It simply filters the nodes out the XML, using a combination of XPath (for things that are easily filtered that way), and PHP code (for things like date comparisons) |
| 02:07.05 | jsmith | MorrisCox, ninnypants: ^^^^^ |
| 02:09.44 | MorrisCox | Trying it now. |
| 02:09.52 | ninnypants | jsmith: nice |
| 02:10.18 | jsmith | ninnypants: You like? See, that wasn't so bad -- too bad my DOM skills are getting rusty these days |
| 02:10.53 | ninnypants | jsmith: I know nothing about DOM |
| 02:11.06 | ninnypants | the furthest I've gotten into xml is using simple_xml |
| 02:12.16 | jsmith | Ah... simple_xml is well, simple |
| 02:12.27 | ninnypants | for sure |
| 02:12.29 | jsmith | With DOM, you essentially create a tree of the elements |
| 02:12.33 | ninnypants | though I've never really need more |
| 02:12.34 | jsmith | and then traverse through the tree |
| 02:13.00 | jsmith | This was back when I was doing more coding and less management |
| 02:13.06 | jsmith | (or herding cats like I do now!) |
| 02:13.30 | ninnypants | the joys of open source ;p |
| 02:13.58 | ninnypants | yeah I should probably learn DOM I've been moving more to JSON |
| 02:14.34 | jsmith | MorrisCox: Can you use that code I wrote, and then simply do your CSV output from there? |
| 02:15.24 | MorrisCox | Testing it. I had forgotten to take out the line numbers. *facepalm* |
| 02:16.12 | jsmith | Sorry :-/ |
| 02:16.28 | ninnypants | MorrisCox: you can just download the raw file from pastebin it's up in the top right of the page |
| 02:20.01 | MorrisCox | Doh. Had a AltDesk bar over it. |
| 02:22.55 | MorrisCox | PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /home/morris/projects/grantsgov/convertxml2csv.php on line 26 |
| 02:23.31 | MorrisCox | That would be: $date = $domElement->getElementsbyTagName('ArchiveDate')->item(0)->textContent; |
| 02:25.51 | ninnypants | try: $date = $domElement->getElementsbyTagName('ArchiveDate')->item[0]->textContent; |
| 02:25.56 | MorrisCox | k |
| 02:26.38 | MorrisCox | Looks the same to me. |
| 02:26.59 | ninnypants | I replaced the () with [] on item |
| 02:27.09 | MorrisCox | Doh. |
| 02:28.31 | MorrisCox | PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /home/morris/projects/grantsgov/convertxml2csv.php on line 26 |
| 02:28.53 | MorrisCox | Make that: PHP Notice: Undefined property: DOMNodeList::$item in /home/morris/projects/grantsgov/convertxml2csv.php on line 26 |
| 02:28.53 | MorrisCox | PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /home/morris/projects/grantsgov/convertxml2csv.php on line 26 |
| 02:29.43 | TuxToaster | LOL. Actual error someone saw in their iTunes logs: 1/12/11 6:14:37 PM iTunesHelper[224] _MobileDeviceConnect_locked (thread 0x7fff70daaca0): This is not the droid you're looking for (is actually com.apple.mobile.restored). Move along, move along. |
| 02:29.58 | jsmith | ninnypants: It realy is item(0), not item[0] |
| 02:29.58 | MorrisCox | That is funny. |
| 02:30.09 | MorrisCox | Send that to failblog.org as a Win. |
| 02:30.19 | jsmith | If you get an error when using item(0), it means that your XPath query didn't return any items |
| 02:32.49 | ninnypants | ahh ok wasn't sure |
| 02:32.50 | MorrisCox | Brb |
| 02:33.19 | jsmith | I've gotta run... be back online tomorrow if you need more help |
| 02:37.27 | MorrisCox | Back. |
| 02:37.42 | MorrisCox | Thanks for your help, jsmith. Appreciate it. |
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| 03:00.45 | MorrisCox | ninnypants, thinking of trying to combine your code with jsmith's. |
| 03:01.02 | ninnypants | wouldmake sense |
| 03:04.43 | MorrisCox | Yours has problems with $date = $domElement->getElementsbyTagName('ArchiveDate')->item(0)->textContent; and doesn't convert to CSV. His checks for more things and is closer to what I had, but has the array to string conversion notices that wipes out some of the data. |
| 03:06.09 | MorrisCox | Would && trim($fos->ArchiveDate) >= "$current_date" work? |
| 03:07.17 | ninnypants | yeah you don't need the "" around $current_date though |
| 03:07.47 | MorrisCox | Oops. Didn't have that in the code, but accidently added them here. |
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| 03:09.44 | ninnypants | your current date might be backwards thoug it sholud be dmY I believe |
| 03:16.05 | MorrisCox | The XML file has a filename that ends with YYYYmmdd. |
| 03:16.27 | MorrisCox | GrantsDBExtract20110112.zip |
| 03:17.19 | ninnypants | yeah but the date in Archive Date is DDMMYYY |
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| 03:17.36 | ninnypants | so you can't test the two with the same value |
| 03:18.21 | MorrisCox | You're right. |
| 03:20.04 | MorrisCox | I created a new variable $archive_date with the value of: date("dmY"); |
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| 03:42.01 | MorrisCox | Some entries have more than one <FundingActivityCategory>, which generates the Array to string conversion notice and replaces the value of <FundingActivityCategory> with the string: Array. So I guess I need to find out how to do a XML to CSV conversion inside the main XML to CSV conversion. |
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| 03:54.54 | MorrisCox | Any way to put a foreach loop inside: fputcsv($f, array_values(get_object_vars($fos))); |
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| 04:30.49 | carmony | utahcon: sup |
| 04:30.59 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 04:30.59 | raifbot | Chuck Norris doesn't have to do anything for a Klondike bar |
| 04:31.16 | carmony | $carmony-fact |
| 04:31.21 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 04:34.04 | josephscott | come to UPHPU next week, we'll add a $carmony-fact command :-) |
| 04:34.13 | carmony | lol, I'm there :) |
| 04:35.08 | TuxToaster | I know, I know... shouldn't require much effort to install... but an old version of pear on the box the bot is going on made things difficult. |
| 04:38.10 | josephscott | you can use it without a pear install |
| 04:38.18 | josephscott | works stand alone as well |
| 04:38.39 | josephscott | that was one thing I didn't like about pear, massive dependencies for most of the modules |
| 04:38.44 | TuxToaster | yeah I know, but wanted to use the system one to make things simpler |
| 04:39.13 | MorrisCox | ninnypants, seems I need to take the fputcsv out of the loop, put the values into an array, and put them to csv after the loop .. and imploded. |
| 04:39.15 | TuxToaster | it's on a machine that will be running different bots for a private network |
| 04:39.48 | TuxToaster | pear is really nice for being able to install some things quickly |
| 04:40.06 | TuxToaster | but the versions can get messy if your distro keeps an older version and packages want a newer one. |
| 04:40.14 | TuxToaster | it can self-upgrade if forced nicely. |
| 04:40.45 | TuxToaster | $8ball do you like pear? |
| 04:40.45 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Better not tell you now. |
| 04:41.03 | TuxToaster | ~lart raifbot |
| 04:41.03 | ibot | installs PocketPC on raifbot's PDA |
| 04:41.33 | josephscott | $lart ibot |
| 04:41.33 | raifbot | takes out ibot with the trash. |
| 04:41.37 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 04:41.42 | TuxToaster | ~lart raifbot |
| 04:41.42 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto raifbot whilst whistling innocently |
| 04:41.52 | josephscott | $lart ibot |
| 04:41.52 | raifbot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at ibot. |
| 04:42.03 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 04:42.08 | TuxToaster | kittens + parasites |
| 04:48.07 | TuxToaster | $8ball do you like Net_SmartIRC? |
| 04:48.07 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Outlook good. |
| 04:48.58 | TuxToaster | $lart raifbot |
| 04:48.59 | raifbot | teaches raifbot that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 04:49.20 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 04:50.10 | josephscott | TuxToaster: try using raif to lart chuck norris |
| 04:50.24 | TuxToaster | $lart Chuck Norris |
| 04:50.24 | raifbot | TuxToaster are you insane? I'm not risking a round house kick from Chuck just to satisfy your lart'ing needs. |
| 04:50.27 | TuxToaster | lOL |
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| 04:54.57 | TuxToaster | ~lart Chuck Norris |
| 04:54.57 | ibot | squeezes Chuck Norris till Chuck Norris turns blue like papa smurf |
| 04:55.01 | TuxToaster | haha. |
| 04:55.19 | josephscott | $lart ibot |
| 04:55.19 | raifbot | whips out a sword and chops ibot in half. |
| 04:55.28 | TuxToaster | $8ball is ibot about to get roundhouse kicked by Chuck? |
| 04:55.29 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 04:55.33 | josephscott | nobody larts chuck |
| 04:56.05 | josephscott | carmony: was the traffic increase from the holidays still going? |
| 04:56.30 | carmony | yup, yet we're now doing awesome |
| 04:56.35 | TuxToaster | apparently ibot doesn't know that. :P |
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| 04:57.45 | carmony | lol |
| 04:57.57 | josephscott | cool, servers handling the additional load ok? |
| 05:12.33 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 05:12.33 | raifbot | cuts off nathandelane's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper. |
| 05:13.37 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju1: http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/011211/electronic-music-flowchart.gif |
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| 05:37.59 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 05:38.00 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can touch MC Hammer. |
| 05:48.33 | herlo | pretty freaking rad! |
| 05:49.13 | josephscott | what does an "orchestrator" do? |
| 05:50.09 | herlo | josephscott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcAYd8zy7WM&feature=related |
| 05:51.17 | josephscott | so xmpp and real time is nice and all, but does fall back to polling right? |
| 05:51.35 | herlo | s/rm re/rm until re/ |
| 05:52.07 | herlo | josephscott: unknown. However, it seems xmpp is pretty reliable from the demo videos I watched. I'm actually interested in setting this up |
| 05:52.49 | herlo | I mean, it'd be pretty awesome to use this to managed your vm clusters all over the world for sure |
| 05:54.18 | josephscott | I would assume it must do something, the problem several "real time" items have had is sometimes sending updates fails |
| 05:54.53 | josephscott | and if you don't ask about potentially missing data at some point, it just never shows up |
| 05:55.00 | herlo | anyeay, I should hit the hay |
| 05:55.07 | josephscott | xmpp has some provisions for dealing with that |
| 05:55.11 | herlo | josephscott: indeed... |
| 05:55.30 | josephscott | just ask the pubsubhubbub folks :-) |
| 05:56.04 | herlo | yeah, I recall that name. I'm not well versed in this stuff so it's mostly just interesting stuff for now |
| 05:56.12 | herlo | night |
| 05:58.58 | carmony | lol, pubshubhubbub... what a name |
| 05:59.45 | josephscott | I usually just call it PuSH because that name is just strange |
| 06:00.02 | josephscott | herlo: thanks for the http://archipelproject.org/ - looks interesting |
| 06:00.15 | josephscott | s/for the/for the link to/ |
| 06:01.39 | carmony | so, I should find out tomorrow if I get to go to php tek and present |
| 06:01.55 | josephscott | what was your submission on? |
| 06:02.01 | carmony | I did two |
| 06:02.21 | carmony | the one: MySQL, Redis, and 500 Million Rows - A Love Story |
| 06:03.08 | carmony | and the second: Web Services and Mobile Devices - Communicating Effectively |
| 06:04.19 | josephscott | cool, we might bring in some redis use for some internal use at akismet |
| 06:04.55 | josephscott | need to improve the stats situation, the graph on the right gives you a ball park of the numbers - http://akismet.com/about/ |
| 06:05.30 | josephscott | 10M insert/updates a day roughly right now and continuing to grow |
| 06:05.31 | carmony | dang |
| 06:05.47 | josephscott | and that is just for one set of stats, there are many others |
| 06:06.18 | carmony | I'm playing around with some ideas for stats and Redis |
| 06:07.36 | carmony | what you need is having a way to export "buckets" of reporting info to MySQL after Redis is done managing it |
| 06:07.58 | carmony | so like daily buckets that have the summaries |
| 06:11.15 | josephscott | yep, redis is really good for working set data |
| 06:11.33 | josephscott | then generate summaries and store them in mysql and purge the working set data from redis |
| 06:11.47 | carmony | yup |
| 06:12.11 | carmony | wow, I just realized we're generating about 2 million scores a day with DDNA |
| 06:12.26 | josephscott | nice |
| 06:13.49 | josephscott | you guys have a chumby app? |
| 06:14.05 | carmony | lol, we did |
| 06:14.20 | josephscott | saw the link at the bottom of http://www.datingdna.com/ |
| 06:14.53 | josephscott | chumby sounded really promising, but I haven't heard much talk about them once they actually launched |
| 06:18.39 | carmony | yeah |
| 06:18.45 | carmony | it dwindled |
| 06:18.58 | carmony | it was a kinda cool thing |
| 06:19.42 | carmony | but why spend money on a chumby when you could buy a phone that could do the same thing, but be a lot more convienent |
| 06:20.27 | josephscott | yep, they took quite awhile to finally get to market, then collided with the iphone |
| 06:26.46 | josephscott | $lart chumby |
| 06:26.46 | raifbot | burns chumby to a crisp with a laser. |
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| 06:29.14 | DexterTheDragon | can download chumby on android |
| 06:29.45 | josephscott | could build a chumby from an android phone :-) |
| 06:41.49 | wps | how much of a hit on performance and memory is including 10 files that are blank except for a few lines of comments? |
| 06:42.03 | wps | negligible? |
| 06:42.04 | josephscott | for PHP? not much |
| 06:42.09 | wps | yes, PHP |
| 06:42.18 | josephscott | probably as close to zero as you could reasonably get |
| 06:42.28 | josephscott | most just disk I/O |
| 06:42.29 | wps | k |
| 06:42.29 | wps | thanks |
| 06:42.34 | josephscott | and not much at that |
| 06:42.43 | wps | it makes the modules in my CMS easier |
| 06:43.10 | josephscott | are these actually .php files or some sort of .html/.txt files? |
| 06:43.39 | wps | .php files |
| 06:43.48 | wps | every one of them contains 5 or so lines of comments at the top |
| 06:43.59 | wps | all are blank except for one that has PHP code in it |
| 06:44.24 | wps | as the CMS engine loads each module it includes a file from each module |
| 06:44.43 | wps | the file is for code that should be automatically run for the module |
| 06:44.48 | josephscott | so if you are using a op code cache, should make processing those files very little work |
| 06:45.23 | wps | most modules don't have code that should be automatically run, so most (all but one currently) are empty (save the comments) |
| 06:45.28 | josephscott | not that they'd be tons of work right now, but it does have to fire up the PHP processor for each one |
| 06:45.54 | josephscott | read/parse/tokenize/compile/run |
| 06:46.00 | wps | yeah, I do have a caching engineâ¦Â so it only happens once every 24 hours per page when the cache gets rewritten |
| 06:46.20 | josephscott | APC? |
| 06:46.33 | wps | I still like to be lean and mean and not waste any cycles though |
| 06:46.34 | wps | APC? |
| 06:46.42 | josephscott | the op code cache |
| 06:46.53 | wps | are you asking if I'm using APC? |
| 06:46.59 | wps | I'm not sure what APC is |
| 06:47.06 | josephscott | yes, you said you were using a cache |
| 06:47.16 | wps | it's my one engine I wrote |
| 06:47.22 | wps | s/one/own/ |
| 06:47.37 | josephscott | ahh, no, I'm talking about a PHP op code cache |
| 06:47.52 | josephscott | APC is one - http://php.net/manual/en/book.apc.php - there are others, though I generally recommend APC |
| 06:48.27 | josephscott | if you want lean/mean you need to be using an op code cache |
| 06:48.40 | wps | ah⦠no, not using a PHP cache |
| 06:48.43 | josephscott | pretty much anyone using PHP in production should be using an op code cache |
| 06:48.44 | wps | I should look into that |
| 06:48.45 | wps | thanks |
| 06:49.16 | wps | my CMS has a caching mechanism that writes out the rendered pages to static files and then servers those |
| 06:49.31 | josephscott | MovableType? :-) |
| 06:50.24 | wps | same principle, but a much better implementation |
| 06:50.25 | wps | it makes it so that there is no PHP processing or database calls |
| 06:51.01 | josephscott | yep, we do similar stuff with caching layers in WordPress |
| 06:51.23 | wps | and it concats all your css files into one and all your javascript files into one |
| 06:51.49 | josephscott | yep, plugins that do that as well for WP |
| 06:52.01 | josephscott | and we ship minified css/js |
| 06:55.01 | josephscott | time for sleep |
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| 14:45.18 | herlo | I heard good news today! |
| 14:45.23 | herlo | Tomorrow is Friday. :-) |
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| 15:57.27 | mindjuju1 | DtD, love the flow chart |
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| 16:11.00 | SunSparc | Lol, the #sparkfun channel is at 1090 members and rising. Their web site is completely useless. |
| 16:14.50 | Utah_Dave | oh, crap. Is today their giveaway day? |
| 16:16.51 | SunSparc | Yeppers |
| 16:16.58 | SunSparc | Free day on Spark Fun |
| 16:17.50 | Utah_Dave | yeah, sparkfun won't load for me at all right now. |
| 16:18.23 | SunSparc | Nope. You have to hover over the refresh key and you may get through in about 5 minutes. :) |
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| 16:25.18 | josephscott | $8ball will today be a good day? |
| 16:25.18 | raifbot | josephscott - You may rely on it. |
| 16:29.19 | supernovia | $8ball should I drop my sql class? |
| 16:29.19 | raifbot | supernovia - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 16:29.47 | josephscott | supernovia: aren't you already familiar with sql? |
| 16:29.53 | supernovia | $8ball - I don't think I"m going to get anything out of this class. Should I keep it? |
| 16:29.53 | raifbot | supernovia - It is certain. |
| 16:29.57 | supernovia | blah. |
| 16:30.12 | supernovia | Yeah it's a really dumb class. |
| 16:30.15 | supernovia | I thought I'd fill in any gaps I had |
| 16:30.17 | josephscott | haha, that $8ball, he know how to dodge a question :-) |
| 16:30.45 | supernovia | but it looks like the climax of our education here is going to be joins :-p |
| 16:31.08 | supernovia | I don't even want to buy the books because it looks so dumb. On the other hand .. 3 credits and an easy A? |
| 16:32.09 | supernovia | granted those 3 don't apply to industrial design _at all_. whatever though. Guess i'll head over... |
| 16:32.18 | josephscott | tough call, does the class count towards your degree? |
| 16:32.28 | supernovia | Sort of. Just as an elective. |
| 16:32.39 | supernovia | I only know what I know in SQL |
| 16:33.21 | supernovia | and I thought it might be nice to confirm all the stuff I've figured out along the way is good + pick up anything I didn't catch... |
| 16:33.28 | josephscott | talk to the instructor, see if they have a recommendation |
| 16:33.51 | supernovia | yeah I think I might. I do know I don't want to buy an intro to databases book that offers super basic info |
| 16:33.58 | supernovia | anyway. guess i'm off. Wish me luck :) |
| 16:34.24 | supernovia | oh and in the meantime, for your viewing pleasure: |
| 16:34.28 | supernovia | https://mail.blendtec.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=1303706619a948fb9160d97ab6a3bbeb&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fwatch%3fv%3dfa9DLxDtPtc <- we've all been here |
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| 16:50.20 | mindjuju1 | anybody know Java / Flash? |
| 16:50.40 | mindjuju1 | that is looking? |
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| 19:36.45 | mindjuju1 | anybody know off hand what the ubuntu 10.10 fully install footprint is? |
| 19:36.59 | mindjuju1 | is the base server install, no apps |
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| 19:44.41 | josephscott | fire up a VM and do a quick install |
| 19:44.52 | mindjuju1 | too funny |
| 19:45.02 | mindjuju1 | that's exactly what i'm doing, was wondering how big to make the hdd |
| 19:45.18 | mindjuju1 | i'm guessing 10Gb should be sufficent, |
| 19:45.22 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju1: I'd say ~1.5G |
| 19:45.54 | mindjuju1 | that's what i was thinking, so 10Gb really should be enough for web dev env |
| 19:45.58 | josephscott | yeah, 10GB will definitely hold a base install |
| 19:46.26 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju1: my desktop / is in 10G |
| 19:50.05 | mindjuju1 | thx gents |
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| 20:06.03 | josephscott | $lart / |
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| 20:06.56 | SunSparc | What did / ever do to you josephscott? |
| 20:07.16 | josephscott | pre-emptive strike |
| 20:07.48 | DexterTheDragon | $rm / |
| 20:07.48 | raifbot | opens /dev/null and eliminates / forever. |
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| 20:23.22 | carmony | bah, bummer, didn't get my presentation for tek11 |
| 20:23.48 | herlo | carmony: sorry, man |
| 20:24.49 | carmony | eh, its alright |
| 20:28.04 | mindjuju1 | what was the preso on? |
| 20:28.26 | josephscott | now you can use them for UPHPU presentations :-) |
| 20:28.35 | mindjuju1 | yup! |
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| 21:30.14 | josephscott | definitely time for some InSoc hacking music |
| 21:47.45 | supernovia | Oh yeah, are we having UPHPU tonight? |
| 21:49.19 | influx | UPHPU tonight? |
| 21:49.21 | influx | :O |
| 21:49.48 | josephscott | supernovia: I think it is next week |
| 21:50.00 | supernovia | Awe. OK. |
| 21:50.35 | supernovia | Oh yeah, it would only be the 2nd week this week huh... |
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| 21:59.41 | josephscott | your welcome to fly out for ours ;-) |
| 22:00.24 | jsmith | josephscott: I should do that :-) |
| 22:11.56 | PoeticIntensity | that would be awesome, jsmith |
| 22:13.11 | jsmith | PoeticIntensity: Maybe you folks can pass around the hat -- I figure if you each chip in $15, I could easily make it out there |
| 22:15.32 | PoeticIntensity | heh... I'm up for it! |
| 22:16.43 | PoeticIntensity | ~rlart |
| 22:16.43 | ibot | sends a legion of lawyers after sheri's head |
| 22:16.56 | PoeticIntensity | heh... uhhh... "Hi, Sheri!" |
| 22:18.47 | sheri | hi :) |
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| 22:32.59 | SunSparc | git question: In svn I would do an "svn update filename" before I committed a file I had changed to make sure I was not causing code conflicts. Can I do a "git pull" on an individual file? |
| 22:37.30 | thebigdog | you can |
| 22:37.47 | thebigdog | or you can git merge too |
| 22:39.21 | thebigdog | just fetch the entire thing though |
| 22:40.29 | SunSparc | fetch instead of pull? |
| 22:41.27 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: pull will attempt to do a merge on any new commits from the remote |
| 22:42.05 | thebigdog | SunSparc: you have to realize that this is a distrubuted system and not a central |
| 22:42.13 | thebigdog | so you dont really need to do it unless you want there stuff in yours |
| 22:42.19 | DexterTheDragon | fetch will just get those commits from the remote, meaning you can see if there has been changes and you can decide what to do with them |
| 22:45.06 | SunSparc | Right, well other people are working on the same project. git status says my branch is 19 commits behind. |
| 22:45.14 | DexterTheDragon | so |
| 22:46.14 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: if you make a commit now and attempt to git push, it will most likely tell you that your out of date |
| 22:46.30 | jsmith | Time to "fast forward" |
| 22:46.40 | DexterTheDragon | if you then do git pull it will create a merge commit between your local commit and the 19 remote commits |
| 22:50.08 | SunSparc | jsmith: git did mention fast forward but there is not a fast-forward command |
| 22:50.19 | TuxToaster | doh! you broke the action chain. :P |
| 22:50.32 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:50.38 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: fast-forward refers to the merge type |
| 22:50.48 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:50.49 | raifbot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats romanovic-afk until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with. |
| 22:50.51 | jsmith | SunSparc: "Fast forward" is a concept, not a command |
| 22:51.00 | TuxToaster | ouch! |
| 22:51.16 | SunSparc | jsmith: that is what I am seeing on google. |
| 22:51.17 | DexterTheDragon | if you have a repo with no changes, but there's new commits on the remote, it does a fast-forward |
| 22:52.12 | SunSparc | I have a repo with changes, some changes I do not want to commit and some I do and there are commits that need to be merged before I commit. |
| 22:52.53 | SunSparc | I was able to stash the changes I did not want commit before. |
| 22:54.35 | josephscott | $google git fast forward |
| 22:54.35 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=git+fast+forward -- http://cworth.org/hgbook-git/tour/ -- http://book.git-scm.com/3_basic_branching_and_merging.html -- http://nathaniel.themccallums.org/2010/10/18/using-git-fast-forward-merging-to-keep-branches-in-sync/ |
| 22:55.03 | TuxToaster | hmm |
| 22:55.04 | TuxToaster | curious |
| 22:55.14 | TuxToaster | $google 5+4 |
| 22:55.14 | raifbot | TuxToaster searching http://www.google.com/search?q=5%2B4 -- http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/list/celebrity-categories.asp%3FFD%3Dheight%26ID%3D64 -- http://www.amazon.com/Almost-Confessions-Unconventional-Isobella-Jade/dp/1419668463 -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5/4_(Gorillaz_song) |
| 22:55.24 | TuxToaster | nope. |
| 22:55.32 | josephscott | haha, yeah, I don't think they include their magic results in the API |
| 22:55.41 | TuxToaster | lol. worth a shot. |
| 22:55.43 | josephscott | would be worth looking to be sure though |
| 22:55.58 | josephscott | remind me to look at that during UPHPU next week |
| 22:56.04 | TuxToaster | yup. |
| 22:56.16 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: I find http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/ to be an essential read |
| 22:56.18 | TuxToaster | would make getting definitions and news items awesome |
| 22:57.23 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: Thanks |
| 22:58.39 | SunSparc | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 22:58.45 | SunSparc | ~thebigdog++ |
| 22:58.48 | SunSparc | for git help |
| 22:58.49 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:59.04 | TuxToaster | curious. does $nick-- work? |
| 22:59.17 | DexterTheDragon | ~TuxToaster-- |
| 22:59.21 | TuxToaster | not like you'd really need to... just wondering. |
| 22:59.21 | DexterTheDragon | ~karma TuxToaster |
| 22:59.21 | ibot | tuxtoaster has neutral karma |
| 22:59.23 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:59.25 | TuxToaster | DOH |
| 22:59.32 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:59.33 | TuxToaster | you took my 1 karma. |
| 22:59.52 | DexterTheDragon | ~TuxToaster++ |
| 22:59.54 | DexterTheDragon | ~karma TuxToaster |
| 22:59.54 | ibot | tuxtoaster has karma of 1 |
| 22:59.56 | TuxToaster | $lart DexterTheDragon |
| 22:59.56 | raifbot | gives DexterTheDragon an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending DexterTheDragon to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple. |
| 22:59.58 | DexterTheDragon | restored |
| 23:00.00 | TuxToaster | w00t |
| 23:00.17 | TuxToaster | where did these lart's come from? |
| 23:23.04 | SunSparc | Ok, so I did a stash, then a pull, brought back the stash, add the file I changed, did a commit, then finally a push. |
| 23:23.30 | SunSparc | Seems to have worked. |
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| 23:26.58 | SunSparc | I guess I could have just added, committed, then pulled and pushed. |
| 23:27.36 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: yep, just depends on the desired outcome |
| 23:27.54 | mgeary | hi foks |
| 23:28.57 | SunSparc | ~greet mgeary |
| 23:28.57 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on mgeary |
| 23:29.25 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: yeah, I will get the hang of this eventually. Gotta get all the svn concept out of my head. |
| 23:29.26 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:41.15 | SunSparc | Whoa! http://www.openhighschool.org/uncategorized/open-high-school-in-action/ |
| 23:42.19 | influx | fungus: You like industrial, yeah? |
| 23:42.55 | fungus | sometimes, yeah |
| 23:45.43 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: cool |
| 23:46.30 | thebigdog | SunSparc: that is totally amazing HS |
| 23:46.50 | TuxToaster | why didn't they have that when I was in school? seriously. |
| 23:47.05 | thebigdog | hell ya |
| 23:47.07 | SunSparc | Freaking cool! |
| 23:47.19 | SunSparc | I am jealous of my kids already. :) |
| 23:47.23 | thebigdog | sounds awesome for both students and teachers |
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| 23:48.03 | thebigdog | even that they release it as cc license is awesome |
| 23:48.20 | SunSparc | herlo: that code editor learning curve image is awesome. |
| 23:48.24 | thebigdog | they are using killer tools too |
| 23:48.46 | SunSparc | thebigdog: I know. I am not sure why this is the first I have heard of this school. |
| 23:48.55 | thebigdog | same here |
| 23:49.08 | thebigdog | i am only curious out the student interaction between themselves |
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| 23:50.04 | thebigdog | wow they are right in my backyard |
| 23:50.07 | TuxToaster | is it sad that it almost makes me wish my kid were about 10 years older so he could go there right now? |
| 23:50.08 | thebigdog | kaysville |
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| 23:50.42 | TuxToaster | ~greet ibot |
| 23:50.42 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on ibot |
| 23:50.49 | thebigdog | awesome now i know what they are |
| 23:51.01 | thebigdog | my kids go to the elementary and the jr for this |
| 23:51.02 | mgeary | any imagemagick pros here? i used to be pretty decent, but i haven't used it in years |
| 23:51.07 | thebigdog | now this is their hs version |
| 23:51.13 | thebigdog | i did not know it was so cool |
| 23:51.21 | thebigdog | mgeary: yes |
| 23:51.24 | SunSparc | :D |
| 23:51.56 | thebigdog | SunSparc: my kids go to their art academy and it is a charter school and awesome |
| 23:52.12 | TuxToaster | thebigdog: all in Kaysville I take it? |
| 23:52.12 | SunSparc | Rock on! That is cool. |
| 23:52.22 | mgeary | thebigdog, i'm converting a PDF to a PBM, and i need to preserve whatever resolution is in the file. Not specifying any defaults gives me an image that is 72dpi. I don't want a specific target resolution, i just want to keep whatever is there |
| 23:52.34 | thebigdog | TuxToaster: they have ogden, layton, syracuse, kaysville |
| 23:52.42 | TuxToaster | cool. |
| 23:52.48 | SunSparc | thebigdog: Hopefully by the time my kids are in high school this will be catching on to all grades. |
| 23:53.00 | TuxToaster | Would probably do well if they could expand to the SL valley a bit |
| 23:53.16 | SunSparc | I bet they would do really well in Utah valley |
| 23:53.26 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 23:53.56 | SunSparc | I am writing to my kids charter school right now... |
| 23:54.18 | thebigdog | mgeary: what is the command that you are using now |
| 23:54.34 | thebigdog | SunSparc: they are hard ot get into for sure |
| 23:54.46 | thebigdog | we just happen to hear of the art academy opening and got our kids in |
| 23:54.52 | thebigdog | their is a serious waiting list |
| 23:54.55 | mgeary | thebigdog: well, i'm just starting with convert foo.pdf foo.pbm |
| 23:55.01 | thebigdog | ok |
| 23:55.30 | SunSparc | thebigdog: my kid loves the charter school, the only down side is his friends from our neighborhood are not in it. |
| 23:56.29 | thebigdog | mgeary: you will probably need the density and resize options |
| 23:56.49 | thebigdog | like -density 600x600 would give you a standard page |
| 23:56.49 | mgeary | yeah, but what i don't like about that is imposing a specific density |
| 23:57.15 | mgeary | on the off chance that the input file only has, e.g. 150dpi, i'd prefer not to upsample it |
| 23:58.37 | thebigdog | true |
| 23:58.45 | thebigdog | you might have to script it then |
| 23:59.04 | thebigdog | mgeary: why a pbm? |
| 23:59.48 | mgeary | thebigdog: i'm running it through potrace, which requires a pbm |
