| 00:06.16 | SunSparc | Yeah, aside from the panda pajamas, Jon Stewart presented what I consider to be a good message. |
| 00:06.18 | PoeticIntensity | watching Jon (about half way through).... Seems like he's spot-on to me. |
| 00:09.44 | PoeticIntensity | Yup. Very good message there. Agree 100% |
| 00:11.04 | PoeticIntensity | Although I don't get too deep into open bias or debate regarding political issues, I'd have to say listening to either side go on and on about politics now-a-days gets very tiring... Whether it be from the right or the left. |
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| 00:21.58 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 00:21.58 | raifbot | Chuck Norris is the only man to punch a cyclops between the eyes |
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| 03:37.11 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 03:37.12 | raifbot | Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants. |
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| 04:36.27 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 04:36.27 | raifbot | One day a kid in school was asked a math question. He simply said "Chuck Norris" and the teacher said he was wrong. The teacher was never seen again. |
| 04:36.34 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 04:36.35 | raifbot | takes a big bite out of PoeticIntensity's jugular vein. |
| 04:36.49 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 04:37.06 | josephscott | $8ball was that $rlart vampire style? |
| 04:37.06 | raifbot | josephscott - My sources say no. |
| 05:02.11 | ninnypants | $8ball do vampires sparkle? |
| 05:02.11 | raifbot | ninnypants - Very doubtful. |
| 05:06.46 | TuxToaster | $8ball do 8balls really work? |
| 05:06.46 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Very doubtful. |
| 05:06.51 | TuxToaster | lol. |
| 05:06.59 | TuxToaster | $8ball how about crystal balls? |
| 05:06.59 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Better not tell you now. |
| 05:10.40 | ninnypants | $8ball is raifbot jellous of crystal balls? |
| 05:10.40 | raifbot | ninnypants - Ask again later. |
| 05:10.48 | ninnypants | heh :) |
| 05:11.04 | josephscott | $8ball will you ever give a direct answer? |
| 05:11.05 | raifbot | josephscott - As I see it, yes. |
| 05:18.46 | ninnypants | josephscott: is there a tool that checks .php files for depricated WP functions? |
| 05:19.12 | josephscott | well, there is a tool that will log deprecated calls when they happen |
| 05:19.27 | josephscott | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/log-deprecated-notices/ |
| 05:20.56 | ninnypants | that's handy |
| 05:22.42 | josephscott | yep, I've used it several times |
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| 05:24.43 | ninnypants | hmm wonder if it's worth it to build the tool I was thinking about then... |
| 05:35.12 | josephscott | $random-number |
| 05:35.12 | raifbot | josephscott your number is : 628,224,241 |
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| 16:01.49 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 16:02.14 | mindjuju | i'm here, just need a couple minutes, PM? |
| 16:02.58 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 16:03.00 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah |
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| 16:16.45 | josephscott | $lart this morning |
| 16:16.46 | raifbot | runs at this morning with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 16:17.05 | josephscott | that makes no sense, why would a knife leave a paper cut? |
| 16:18.47 | herlo | pretty sharp, I guess, and the thickness of paper? |
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| 16:30.09 | mgeary | because it's origami, of course |
| 16:34.20 | macnewbold | ~beatings |
| 16:34.37 | macnewbold | ibot, beatings is "The beatings will continue until morale improves" |
| 16:34.37 | ibot | okay, macnewbold |
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| 17:00.56 | josephscott | haha http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tims/archive/2011/01/11/an-open-letter-from-the-president-of-the-united-states-of-google.aspx |
| 17:11.12 | DexterTheDragon | as opposed to microsoft's position where they just didn't implement the verbs in english |
| 17:11.36 | josephscott | true that |
| 17:11.56 | josephscott | $lart google and microsoft |
| 17:11.56 | raifbot | hauls google and microsoft up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles. |
| 17:13.19 | josephscott | hard to see google's move with webm vs h.264 as anything other than classic microsoft style confusion/control tatics |
| 17:13.47 | mindjuju1 | jon stewart on verizon iphone happiness - http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-11-2011/verizon-iphone-announcement |
| 17:13.52 | mindjuju1 | this is funny |
| 17:17.53 | josephscott | LOL!!! http://devour.com/video/the-flaming-c/ |
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| 17:23.12 | mgeary | can an SSL certificate be moved from one machine to another without having to be re-generated/re-issued? |
| 17:23.25 | wps | yes, mgeary |
| 17:37.27 | mindjuju1 | @sunsparc - http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=49435631 |
| 17:39.07 | fungus | That msdn blog post is ignoring the fact that the owner's of the "English" language are only giving you permission to speak it freely for now, and have the right at any time to take your right to speak away at a later date. |
| 17:39.50 | fungus | However "Esperanto" will give you true freedom of "speech" forever. |
| 17:43.16 | PoeticIntensity | Latest drum video from your truly.... |
| 17:43.19 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-gFDQ2z-M |
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| 18:04.24 | mindjuju1 | i'm saddened by this |
| 18:04.24 | mindjuju1 | http://blogs.ocweekly.com/stickaforkinit/2011/01/burger_king_introduces_its_fir.php |
| 18:04.35 | mindjuju1 | loks gross and weird |
| 18:05.21 | mindjuju1 | plus, it seems to me, that if you made a sammich with cheese and ham, that you'd expect every bite of said sammich to contain cheese and ham (with in reason), how is it any different if the ham is infused with cheese? |
| 18:08.26 | wps | mgeary: if you quoted a project with three weeks dev time and then they asked you to complete it in four days instead, how much would you increase the price? |
| 18:09.01 | mindjuju1 | time and a half, unless you've already got commitements |
| 18:09.09 | mgeary | well, could i even DO it in 4 days? |
| 18:09.22 | wps | I think it'd be a lot more than the standard 150% rush fee |
| 18:09.24 | josephscott | fire the client |
| 18:09.38 | wps | yes, it could actually be done in four daysâ¦Â but you'd have to drop everything to do it |
| 18:09.55 | wps | you don't have to fire the clientâ¦Â you don't have to accept their requested timeframe change |
| 18:10.03 | wps | they are asking if it can be done |
| 18:10.12 | TuxToaster | wps: I'd be inclined to charge them for delays that any other clients may incur |
| 18:10.25 | wps | I agree |
| 18:10.38 | TuxToaster | or at least stress to them that other clients have to wait so that you can meet their request |
| 18:10.41 | josephscott | are they asking if it is possible for your to complete it in 4 days if you worked full time for them? |
| 18:10.52 | mgeary | depends on the size of the project, but if i could get double, i'd probably take it. 150% seems a little low, but maybe somewhere between there and double |
| 18:10.57 | josephscott | or did they ask if you could please look at a way to complete this in 4 days? |
| 18:11.01 | wps | I was thinking 250% |
| 18:11.15 | wps | they said, what would it take for you to do it in four days instead of three weeks |
| 18:11.16 | josephscott | the second shows a complete lack of respect for your time |
| 18:11.28 | TuxToaster | we've actually called a client before and asked them if they'd be willing to wait a couple weeks so we could put another project in front of them, and since they accepted, we told the other client this |
| 18:11.39 | mgeary | did you imply in your bid that it would take 3 weeks of full-time work? |
| 18:11.57 | wps | no |
| 18:12.56 | wps | thanks for your responses everyoneâ¦Â I was just trying to do a gut check on my response to them |
| 18:12.59 | josephscott | do you even want to try and complete it 4 days? |
| 18:13.08 | wps | for 250%, probably, yeah |
| 18:13.23 | josephscott | or is it even possible for you to free up that much time? (vacation days/etc.) |
| 18:13.38 | wps | they ended up turning it down though and decided they don't want it bad enough to pay 250%â¦Â so we'll stick with the original schedule |
| 18:13.41 | mgeary | my guess would be that they wouldn't go for 250%, but if you can get it, great |
| 18:13.48 | TuxToaster | heh |
| 18:13.54 | josephscott | :-) |
| 18:14.07 | josephscott | I had three rates when I would do side work |
| 18:14.09 | wps | I don't think that 250% for compressing the timeframe that much is unreasonable at all though |
| 18:14.11 | TuxToaster | people always want priority but don't want to pay for it |
| 18:14.21 | TuxToaster | wps: agreed |
| 18:14.49 | josephscott | low - friend rate, normal - most folks, high - I really don't want to do this job |
| 18:15.07 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:15.10 | wps | I would have had to drop literally everything and work straight on it with nothing else (work or personal) |
| 18:15.21 | josephscott | so if you didn't want to do the work in 4 days, the price shifts from normal to high |
| 18:15.34 | wps | "high - I really don't want to do this job" doesn't always work |
| 18:15.53 | josephscott | I've never had anyone accept the high amount |
| 18:16.02 | josephscott | wps: then your high amount isn't high enough :-) |
| 18:16.15 | wps | I had a potential client that I could tell was going to be extremely high maintenanceâ¦Â so I just quoted them really high knowing they'd turn it down |
| 18:16.28 | wps | I didn't hear from them for three weeks and assumed they choked on the quote and disappeared |
| 18:16.51 | wps | then, three weeks later they showed up with 75% of the money and said they'd have the rest raised by the end of the week |
| 18:16.57 | wps | I could turn the project down then |
| 18:17.03 | wps | s/could/couldn't/ |
| 18:18.57 | macnewbold | always price high enough that if they accepted, you wouldn't be upset |
| 18:19.18 | josephscott | yep |
| 18:20.16 | macnewbold | some jobs are only worth it to you for a seemingly insanely high amount of money, like doing 10 hours of work for a crazy client that you know is going to turn it into 20 hours and be whining the whole time |
| 18:20.47 | macnewbold | you've got to price it based on "for X, I'd be willing to put up with their crap" |
| 18:21.29 | macnewbold | and if they say yes, and you end up making $500/hour or something, cause they really wanted you to do it, just enjoy it |
| 18:21.40 | josephscott | and that number may be 3X your normal rate |
| 18:21.46 | macnewbold | easily |
| 18:21.46 | TuxToaster | hehe yup |
| 18:21.58 | macnewbold | we sometimes call it "PITA Tax" internally |
| 18:22.04 | josephscott | think of it like a car salesman |
| 18:22.09 | josephscott | I'm thinking of a number :-) |
| 18:22.13 | TuxToaster | but I think it's also a good idea to know when to say absolutely "no" |
| 18:22.27 | josephscott | or use the random number feature |
| 18:22.36 | josephscott | $random-number 400 1200 |
| 18:22.36 | raifbot | josephscott your number is : 1,132 |
| 18:22.37 | TuxToaster | because in my experience, there are just sometimes that it doesn't make sense to give in to a request for any reason. |
| 18:22.38 | macnewbold | right - if you can't think of a dollar amount where you'd be happy about getting the job, definitely just say no straight up |
| 18:22.44 | josephscott | there you go, $1,132/hour |
| 18:23.04 | TuxToaster | particularly if the client has a history of causing undue stress or not paying, etc. |
| 18:23.26 | josephscott | yes, you must be able to reject or fire clients if need be |
| 18:24.02 | josephscott | $lart bad clients |
| 18:24.02 | raifbot | changes bad clients's permissions to 0777 and tells the world. |
| 18:24.10 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 18:25.00 | macnewbold | the not paying is easy to fix - that's how you adjust the % down payment you require |
| 18:25.27 | macnewbold | i usually recommend 50% as a general rule, but for the craziest, I've done 100% down before |
| 18:26.00 | TuxToaster | yup, but the key with a down payment (or most any terms) is enforcement |
| 18:26.21 | wps | I won't do any work without 50% down |
| 18:26.29 | macnewbold | and I believe in always, always, always, get the rest of the money before you give them enough that they might be tempted to take it and run to avoid paying the balance |
| 18:26.42 | TuxToaster | I've seen a lot of times where a client demands an "urgent" priority and so work gets started immediately. |
| 18:26.51 | TuxToaster | luckily most folks don't do that, but some do ;-) |
| 18:27.32 | macnewbold | TuxToaster: yeah, easiest way I've found is "we won't start work on your project until the down payment clears the bank and we have a signed proposal accepted by you" (including the finalized plan/wireframe/designs as applicable) |
| 18:28.02 | TuxToaster | always a good plan. |
| 18:28.08 | wps | that's my policy, macnewbold |
| 18:28.09 | macnewbold | TuxToaster: yeah, we've found those to be the best payers - we've had people wire us money, drop off or fedex a check, deposit it into our account, etc. |
| 18:28.14 | TuxToaster | makes them take your time and work more seriously |
| 18:28.41 | macnewbold | haven't yet had someone bring over a stack of cash bills, but i wouldn't put it past some of them |
| 18:28.52 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:29.30 | josephscott | the only person who paid me in cash ($100s) I ended up firing the client, there were other not good things there that I didn't want to be associated with |
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| 19:00.34 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 19:00.34 | raifbot | slaps raifbot upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh. |
| 19:01.02 | ninnypants | raifbot: stop hitting yourself :) |
| 19:01.21 | mindjuju1 | curious |
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| 19:12.49 | josephscott | $lart ibot |
| 19:12.49 | raifbot | installs a bad bootloader on ibot and turns ibot into a brick. |
| 19:13.22 | josephscott | ~lart raifbot |
| 19:13.22 | ibot | does a little 'dpkg -P raifbot' action |
| 19:15.36 | josephscott | mgeary: did you ever figure out your apache/python server performance issue? did the munin graphs show anything interesting? |
| 19:16.27 | mgeary | no, i got pulled away, but it's still on my list of todos. I installed munin, but didn't get time to go through the docs and configure it, so unless it grabs some things by default, it isn't doing much yet |
| 19:18.39 | josephscott | I'll be curious to see what you find out |
| 19:20.37 | mindjuju1 | i love the expression "certified preowned cars" |
| 19:20.46 | mindjuju1 | we CERTIFY that they were preowned! |
| 19:21.13 | josephscott | other wise how would you know, perhaps they are brand new cars instead |
| 19:21.21 | mindjuju1 | yup |
| 19:33.18 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 19:33.29 | macnewbold | eh |
| 19:33.55 | mindjuju1 | ~meh macnewbold |
| 19:34.11 | mindjuju1 | $meh macnewbold |
| 19:34.16 | mindjuju1 | ...sigh... |
| 19:35.11 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:38.20 | josephscott | commands we could add during the UPHPU mtg next week |
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| 20:36.10 | thebigdog | not much |
| 20:36.12 | thebigdog | just working |
| 20:36.21 | mindjuju1 | how is the bmw? |
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| 20:36.48 | thebigdog | just superb |
| 20:39.02 | thebigdog | well caligan really |
| 20:39.11 | mindjuju1 | nice! |
| 20:42.02 | SunSparc | mindjuju1: That anti-matter video is quite interesting. Thanks. |
| 20:42.16 | mindjuju1 | yeah, i liked it |
| 20:43.10 | josephscott | pixar zoetrope http://devour.com/video/pixar-zoetrope/ |
| 20:44.18 | ninnypants | it |
| 20:44.31 | ninnypants | oops wrong window... |
| 20:48.55 | mindjuju1 | google science fair looks awesome |
| 20:49.07 | mindjuju1 | though i wonder how they'll be able to verify age |
| 20:52.20 | mindjuju1 | @mgeary - http://www.google.com/events/sciencefair/blog.html |
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| 21:27.33 | mgeary | mindjuju1: hah. how timely |
| 21:27.54 | mgeary | i was just searching for places where i could purchase KMNO2 for a project for my son |
| 21:36.49 | mgeary | sorry, that's actually KMnO4 |
| 21:38.17 | macnewbold | Does KMnO4 have a common name, or do people call it potassium manganese quadroxide or something? |
| 21:38.22 | macnewbold | does it have a common application? |
| 21:38.40 | mindjuju1 | KMn04 works well in PB&J sammiches |
| 21:38.43 | mindjuju1 | just sayin |
| 21:38.54 | mindjuju1 | adds a "nutty" crunch |
| 21:40.15 | mgeary | Potassium Permanganate |
| 21:40.35 | mindjuju1 | what are you going to do with it |
| 21:40.44 | mgeary | it can be used to kill parasites and microorganisms in ponds |
| 21:41.09 | mgeary | mmm. pomegranate |
| 21:41.46 | mindjuju1 | wow, don't buy at amazon! |
| 21:41.51 | mindjuju1 | http://www.amazon.com/Potassium-Permanganate-Treatment-Manganese-Greensand/dp/B0034UCKWE |
| 21:42.45 | mgeary | actually, that's a good price |
| 21:43.08 | mgeary | hahaha. though it's interesting that customers usually buy it with glycerin |
| 21:43.48 | mgeary | woah, or concentrated sulfuric acid. That's a good way to get a sensitive explosive. Not recommended! |
| 21:43.58 | mgeary | ...or to get yourself on an FBI watch list |
| 21:44.58 | influx | Breaking News: Web Hacker Arrested for Involvement in Terrorist Plot |
| 21:45.41 | ninnypants | $8ball is influx involved in a terrorist plot? |
| 21:45.41 | raifbot | ninnypants - Signs point to yes. |
| 21:45.49 | influx | ... |
| 21:45.53 | ninnypants | heh :) |
| 21:45.56 | influx | Heh. |
| 21:46.50 | ninnypants | $8ball does raifbot base it's decisions off skin color and not facts? |
| 21:46.51 | raifbot | ninnypants - Don't count on it. |
| 21:47.08 | ninnypants | not looking good for you influx |
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| 21:51.23 | influx | :O |
| 21:51.40 | influx | $8ball Is it a different influx? |
| 21:51.40 | raifbot | influx - Most likely. |
| 21:52.08 | mindjuju1 | oh my! |
| 21:52.31 | mindjuju1 | i did this EXACT experiment for the end project at a science summer camp i ran back in my first college days |
| 21:52.31 | mindjuju1 | http://www.amazon.com/CHEMILUMINESCENCE-KIT-BLUE-LIGHT/dp/B0016P9B4Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1294868544&sr=8-2 |
| 21:53.05 | mindjuju1 | i thought the kids were going to faint cause I didn't tell them what to expect |
| 21:54.08 | mindjuju1 | course, actually, some of the chemicals might be different, but ours lasted for hours but prolly because I was using high quality stuff (broke into chem closet --long story) |
| 21:54.53 | mgeary | mindjuju1: that's a great suggestion. i'm buying it now |
| 21:55.11 | mindjuju1 | the chemiluminescence one? |
| 21:55.27 | mindjuju1 | oh man, when you add the hydrogen peroxide into the water and it starts glowing |
| 21:55.35 | mindjuju1 | you can't help but hold your breath, it's WAY cool |
| 21:55.37 | mgeary | i head an interview with the author of this book on NPR: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1579127916/ref=s9_cxhsh_co_ir01?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-2&pf_rd_r=02ZXVAQG52P245TG0BGD&pf_rd_t=3201&pf_rd_p=1280661782&pf_rd_i=typ01 |
| 21:55.49 | mgeary | it sounds like an awesome book |
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| 21:56.27 | mindjuju1 | if you want mgeary, i KNOW i still have a partial vial of luminol though i doubt its good, but wrapped around it is the recipe i used, so i know it works |
| 21:56.36 | mindjuju1 | it makes a bright blue, i'll scan it and send to you |
| 21:57.13 | mindjuju1 | and I want to say it made a liter |
| 21:57.17 | mindjuju1 | but it might have been more |
| 21:58.20 | mindjuju1 | and i remember everything was fairly accessible except for the luminol which i got from a friend of mine (even longer story) and the cuperic sulfate |
| 21:58.27 | mgeary | well, i just ordered that kit. If we're not happy with it, i'll ask for that |
| 21:58.36 | mindjuju1 | k |
| 21:58.49 | mindjuju1 | you going to do it for class or just home chemistry stuff? |
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| 21:59.23 | mgeary | home chemistry and/or school science fair |
| 22:00.16 | mindjuju1 | you sound like an awesome dad! I'd love to buy corban that kit, but we've already started on electricity and working with snap circuits and multimeter, etc |
| 22:00.32 | mgeary | yeah, we have one of those. It's been a big hit |
| 22:00.32 | mindjuju1 | don't want to over expose, maybe i'll start that next year! |
| 22:00.35 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:01.50 | mindjuju1 | hey, if you decide you guys aren't using it, let me know, i'll buy for parts |
| 22:02.26 | mgeary | right on |
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| 23:33.58 | josephscott | $lart ally bank |
| 23:33.58 | raifbot | pushes the wall down onto ally bank whilst whistling innocently. |
| 23:34.28 | mindjuju1 | @josephscott, what's wrong with ally |
| 23:34.32 | mindjuju1 | i heard something about bill pay? |
| 23:34.37 | josephscott | http://josephscott.org/archives/2011/01/triple-check-bills-paid-via-bill-pay-at-ally-bank/ |
| 23:34.56 | josephscott | I'll have a new post on what has happened since, likely posted tomorrow |
| 23:37.45 | TuxToaster | I pay most of my stuff online, except for a few items that automatically pull, but for the most part I prefer to be in control of what gets paid when. The one time I tried using a bill pay service from my CU it took like 3 weeks to get paid. |
| 23:38.11 | mindjuju1 | ouch |
| 23:38.35 | josephscott | TuxToaster: I don't schedule anything, these were directly input on their website, by me |
| 23:38.48 | josephscott | mindjuju1: just what till you read the update, it gets better (and by that I mean worse) |
| 23:39.16 | mindjuju1 | ouch |
| 23:39.22 | josephscott | and I don't do auto pay on anything, I like to be the one to direct when money leaves my account |
| 23:39.33 | TuxToaster | josephscott: I know. Just to me it isn't worth the hassle of even putting them in one place. I'd rather go to each site and pay directly, knowing they have given me a confirmation, than to have a 3rd party involved |
| 23:39.51 | josephscott | well, there is some good news, the problem I saw appears to have been solved. sound be able to confirm that tomorrow |
| 23:40.04 | TuxToaster | that's good |
| 23:40.29 | josephscott | TuxToaster: yeah, I looked at doing exactly that at one point, except that 99% of the places wanted to charge me extra for the ability to pay them via CC on their own site |
| 23:40.44 | josephscott | so that ruled out that option |
| 23:40.58 | TuxToaster | o really? The only place I can think of that does that to me right now is Questar |
| 23:41.07 | TuxToaster | because they use Western Union SpeedPay |
| 23:41.40 | TuxToaster | Qwest tried a $1 charge for a bit but dropped it, all the other bills I pay at least don't charge extra. It's kind of ridiculous to charge for stuff like that |
| 23:42.58 | josephscott | here goes: |
| 23:43.05 | josephscott | $8ball should I stay with ally? |
| 23:43.05 | raifbot | josephscott - As I see it, yes. |
| 23:43.11 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:43.20 | TuxToaster | $8ball does ally suck? |
| 23:43.20 | raifbot | TuxToaster - It is decidedly so. |
| 23:43.37 | TuxToaster | $8ball so you're recommending that josephscott uses a bank that sucks? |
| 23:43.37 | raifbot | TuxToaster - My reply is no. |
| 23:43.54 | josephscott | haha |
| 23:44.28 | TuxToaster | josephscott: just curious, what is the draw for you to use ally? Looked like they're an online-only bank? |
| 23:44.57 | mindjuju1 | my draw to netbank, now ING direct is that they aren't punks |
| 23:45.17 | mindjuju1 | i get insta-credit(TM) if i overdraft, no fees, just pay the interest |
| 23:45.19 | josephscott | for starters, wells fargo ticked me off by treating me poorly |
| 23:45.20 | mindjuju1 | they are cool |
| 23:46.00 | mindjuju1 | i've only had to call ing direct once, and had a gosh-darn-it-REALLY-real-live-person (TM) on the horn in like 45 seconds |
| 23:46.18 | josephscott | so I did some research on different options - Ally seemed to at least be saying all the right things and the services were free and even offered a little bit of interest on checking and more reasonable interest on savings. even if you had just $1 in the account |
| 23:46.51 | TuxToaster | yeah, I don't like WF. The only reason I have an account with them is for a couple of payments that I get that have to be paid with a SWIFT code, but their fees are ridiculous at times. |
| 23:46.57 | josephscott | since I've published my post and tweeted about it I've had at least 4 calls from Ally :-) |
| 23:47.19 | TuxToaster | hey, it proves it works |
| 23:47.19 | mindjuju1 | oh nice |
| 23:47.31 | mindjuju1 | no, it proves that josephscott is VERY high profile |
| 23:47.37 | josephscott | that doesn't include the first 2 times that I called them |
| 23:47.45 | josephscott | hehe, I'm just an average joe |
| 23:48.11 | mindjuju1 | heh, that's right, sorry, google indexes our personal blog like every, what was it again? minute? |
| 23:48.20 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:48.55 | TuxToaster | makes you wonder if they had Google alerts going off minutes after it was posted |
| 23:49.06 | mindjuju1 | yipes! 4:48p! got to run to class |
| 23:49.11 | mindjuju1 | cya'll gents |
| 23:49.18 | mindjuju1 | they prolly did tuxtoaster |