| 00:00.09 | TuxToaster | beandog: sorry, didn't mean to bombard you with info :-D |
| 00:00.12 | beandog | Okay |
| 00:00.15 | beandog | Yah, thats where it gets confusing. |
| 00:00.29 | beandog | Because what if you have a case where part of the page display is fetched using AJAX |
| 00:00.32 | beandog | etc. |
| 00:00.36 | beandog | You'd wanna fire it as soon as possible. |
| 00:00.52 | TuxToaster | right. seems that the DOM ready event is your best bet, since that should fire when the HTML has been parsed |
| 00:01.04 | beandog | Okay |
| 00:01.22 | TuxToaster | though I'd be curious if that might fire "too soon", before your JS has been fetched |
| 00:01.51 | TuxToaster | best bet there would be to try it on a really slow/throttled connection and see if it throws any errors |
| 00:03.39 | TuxToaster | on a completely unrelated note... people actually COOK FOOD in their dishwashers?? |
| 00:03.47 | TuxToaster | http://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/4708/is-it-possible-to-cook-a-whole-fish-in-a-dishwasher <--- seriously? |
| 00:06.30 | TuxToaster | "P.S. This seems like a very inefficient way to accomplish the goal of cooking a fish." |
| 00:11.21 | mindjuju | i think think it's a means to an end as much as the salmon is going along for the ride |
| 00:11.55 | mindjuju | ie, the purpose prolly isn't cooking your salmon but figuring out what to do with that last plate slot that doesn't have anything in it, but the rest of the dishwasher is full |
| 00:12.31 | mindjuju | could be wrong though, i didn't read the article |
| 00:13.29 | mindjuju | btw, your computer heat vent is hot enough to melt chocolate bars, so if you got grahams and some marshmellow puff you can have smores at work |
| 00:13.34 | mindjuju | just sayin' |
| 00:15.04 | herlo | that's not smores :( |
| 00:16.43 | mindjuju | flaming marshmellow fault? |
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| 00:48.21 | herlo | lol, yeah |
| 00:55.55 | beandog | so window.onload = <body onload=''> ? |
| 01:01.55 | mindjuju | @beandog, as far as i know, window.onload is all elements on the page have rendered, body onload is just the lements within the body |
| 01:02.33 | mindjuju | i've got a dom tree somewhere in my office though if you want a definitive |
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| 16:56.13 | Utah_Dave | I got a Google Chrome CR-48 in the mail yesterday! |
| 16:57.22 | DexterTheDragon | Utah_Dave: how? |
| 16:57.31 | josephscott | nice |
| 16:57.37 | josephscott | just in time for christmas :-) |
| 16:57.44 | Utah_Dave | i know! |
| 16:58.12 | Utah_Dave | DexterTheDragon: I applied for it at : http://www.google.com/chromeos/pilot-program.html |
| 16:58.26 | Utah_Dave | So far it's been pretty cool. |
| 16:58.58 | Utah_Dave | It feels weird to not have any access to a desktop or filesystem, but I use Chrome all day anyway, so it's not too bad |
| 17:01.37 | fungus | are you completely blocked from any terminal access? can you get into it's guts if you wanted? |
| 17:01.40 | Utah_Dave | the keyboard feels kind of like a macbook's |
| 17:02.14 | Utah_Dave | fungus: Yeah, you're completely blocked from a terminal. All you see is the Chrome browser |
| 17:02.23 | josephscott | need a root-kit for the cr-48 :-) |
| 17:02.32 | Utah_Dave | Apparently there is a developer switch somewhere where it will let you get a terminal |
| 17:02.39 | Utah_Dave | I haven't had a chance to try that yet |
| 17:02.40 | fungus | ooh, neat. |
| 17:03.02 | Utah_Dave | I saw that on John Resig's blog a few weeks ago |
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| 17:20.59 | herlo | http://fak3r.com/2009/09/14/howto-build-your-own-open-source-dropbox-clone/ <-- I think I'm going to do this.... |
| 17:22.51 | josephscott | wouldn't mind if someone cloned the dropbox API |
| 17:23.38 | josephscott | I like rsync, but that thing can be a big when dealing with large/lots of files |
| 17:24.46 | herlo | josephscott: thing is, I'm almost certain that's how dropbox does it |
| 17:25.25 | herlo | and with dropbox, you aren't copying lots of large files. usually a few large or a few small files... |
| 17:25.27 | josephscott | I should sniff the dropbox network traffic one of these days |
| 17:25.33 | herlo | yeah, you should |
| 17:25.54 | josephscott | I like that dropbox can sync between systems on the same network |
| 17:26.11 | josephscott | makes it faster to keep my notebook and two desktops in sync |
| 17:26.20 | herlo | josephscott: lsync seems to not have any restrictions |
| 17:26.31 | josephscott | I also that like that you can do unlimited restore |
| 17:26.32 | herlo | other than what you configure |
| 17:26.43 | herlo | josephscott: the history feature I do like. That's a good point |
| 17:27.11 | herlo | a bit of thought went into that for sure, probably something like rdiff-backup... |
| 17:27.14 | josephscott | I would like a solid dropbox client for linux servers though, right now it's a hack |
| 17:28.04 | herlo | yeah |
| 17:28.27 | herlo | there's a project called fedora-sparkle which I thought was going to be a good open source replacement, but it didn't end up being what I wanted |
| 17:28.36 | josephscott | if they had a solid linux server client it would make for a simple distributed storage mechanism |
| 17:29.13 | herlo | yep |
| 17:29.35 | herlo | which is why I think lsyncd and rsync might be a good combo with a simple gnome/kde applet |
| 17:33.17 | josephscott | how would you do bi-directional lsync, or can you? |
| 17:35.52 | herlo | sure, it would just require a central point of storage, just like dropbox does |
| 17:36.36 | josephscott | perhaps I'm reading the lsyncd docs wrong then, it sounds like it only goes one way |
| 17:37.09 | herlo | well, yeah |
| 17:37.17 | herlo | you'd need to configure it on both ends |
| 17:37.25 | herlo | but I think I could automate that |
| 17:41.16 | josephscott | hopefully they've fixed this first http://groups.google.com/group/lsyncd/browse_thread/thread/d4d0a6a0ff997643 |
| 17:45.14 | herlo | a simple lock file could handle that... |
| 17:45.57 | herlo | lsync just needs to check the lock file to make sure it can sync... |
| 17:46.04 | herlo | on the remote |
| 17:46.09 | josephscott | then you just have to build a trivial distributed lock system :-) |
| 17:46.21 | herlo | yup |
| 17:46.22 | mindjuju | back when simpsons was funny - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUMFfm2NkrU |
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| 18:23.33 | mindjuju | fungus, you around? |
| 18:25.26 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:26.54 | fungus | lame, just finished rendering my slow motion capture of the sky last night. |
| 18:27.12 | fungus | Windows at night turn into mirrors. |
| 18:27.22 | mindjuju | srry to hear |
| 18:27.36 | fungus | it' was probably too cloudy to catch anything anyway |
| 18:38.50 | carmony | hrm, whats a good tool to use to monitor services and try to restart them if they fail on linux? |
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| 19:02.55 | fungus | carmony, monit |
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| 19:41.45 | SunSparc | ~Tuesday |
| 19:41.46 | ibot | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
| 19:42.11 | mindjuju | i have a 4 day week this week and next, so today is like my wenesday? |
| 19:42.23 | SunSparc | woot! |
| 19:42.36 | josephscott | right now tuesday sucks because I haven't found the fix to this bug yet |
| 19:42.51 | SunSparc | ~fix josephscott's bug |
| 19:42.51 | ibot | ACTION opens the hood of josephscott's bug , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 19:59.32 | ninnypants | the customer service bot that talked to me earlier today must have an aol email address http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email_address |
| 21:44.29 | Utah_Dave | Finally got my internal Ubuntu repository working. |
| 21:45.17 | TuxToaster | sounds like fun |
| 21:45.38 | orsonj | cool |
| 21:46.02 | orsonj | I'd like to build a backup client/server that works in conjunction with a deb repo. |
| 21:46.05 | Utah_Dave | It was a little more difficult than it should have been. I had to piece together parts of several different tutorials to get it to work right |
| 21:46.28 | TuxToaster | so what is the big draw for you guys to use Ubuntu vs. using straight Debian? |
| 21:46.35 | TuxToaster | just curious... noticed a few people here do it |
| 21:46.43 | orsonj | more frequent updates |
| 21:46.57 | josephscott | finally fix the bug, very satisfying! |
| 21:46.59 | orsonj | (to the stable branch) |
| 21:47.04 | Utah_Dave | Basically, more frequent updates and also I'm more familiar with Ubuntu. |
| 21:47.34 | TuxToaster | do they update significant versions? or are those still reserved for the next major release? |
| 21:47.36 | orsonj | I have generally liked the default setup |
| 21:48.42 | orsonj | since major releases are only six months apart, that's when those happen. |
| 22:03.24 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 22:03.24 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Utah_Dave into court suing for $200 million |
| 22:03.44 | mindjuju | ha, he deserves it for tuna_farting me all the time |
| 22:03.58 | Utah_Dave | Argh! mindjuju, you can't have half of my life savings! |
| 22:04.07 | mindjuju | that's half? |
| 22:04.12 | mindjuju | wow, i'd be set for life |
| 22:04.17 | herlo | lol |
| 22:04.33 | Utah_Dave | ha ha j/k. Some day! |
| 22:05.56 | mindjuju | i think my threshold is 10 mil. once i hit that, i INSTANTLY shift into lazy bum mode |
| 22:06.49 | mindjuju | the interest payments from a standard bank account would provide a more than adequate living stipend |
| 22:06.58 | TuxToaster | makes you wonder what the thresholds are for all of the lazy bums out there... |
| 22:07.38 | mindjuju | if my figuring is right, a savings accout at 3% on 10 mil is 300k a year, which is 25k a month |
| 22:07.43 | mindjuju | it's hard, but doable |
| 22:09.08 | josephscott | will likely be seeing tron2 next week, hi hopes for it doing well |
| 22:09.45 | mindjuju | i wonder if agent smith is in tron legacy?? |
| 22:09.56 | josephscott | s/hi/high/ |
| 22:12.30 | mindjuju | @fungus, @herlo, either of you use something like this? |
| 22:12.30 | mindjuju | http://cgi.ebay.com/SENSAPHONE-1104-REMOTE-MONITORING-SYSTEM-FGD-1104-/170580036215?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b75cca77#ht_764wt_1139 |
| 22:13.54 | fungus | kind of similar, but a lot simpler. |
| 22:14.01 | fungus | http://www.sensatronics.com/products_temperature_model_e4-features.html |
| 22:14.52 | fungus | It just monitors temp, and we have nagios keep tabs on it. Easy to integrate into any existing monitoring/notification infrastructure. |
| 22:15.18 | mindjuju | hmm, was looking for something that wasn't dependant on network being up, alternate form of communication to server room |
| 22:15.56 | fungus | If you want that, you should integrate that into your monitoring/notification system. Not the temperature monitor |
| 22:16.31 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: seems like you might want a separate physical network for the monitoring if you want it to be up if the network goes down |
| 22:16.40 | TuxToaster | but that could get messy... :-) |
| 22:17.04 | fungus | mindjuju, if the network is down you want to be notified even if the temperature is good. |
| 22:17.12 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:17.51 | mindjuju | as far as i know this device is tests that operate all the time, any failure equal phone call |
| 22:18.12 | mindjuju | so too hot, too much humidity, electricity down, water detected, smoke, etc |
| 22:18.30 | fungus | But you don't get notified if your internet connection dies. That's bad |
| 22:18.50 | fungus | If you are going to be anal about notifications, get your notifications for the right reasons. |
| 22:19.13 | fungus | Build in the non-network dependent notification into your notification system. |
| 22:19.38 | fungus | Eg. Make nagios call you, not your temp sensor |
| 22:19.59 | mindjuju | can nagios access a phone line? |
| 22:20.18 | fungus | Through plugins Nagios can fold your laundry. :) |
| 22:20.25 | fungus | of course it can |
| 22:20.49 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 22:21.06 | fungus | it'll require some hardware, and some software, possibly some custom written glue, but of course it can. |
| 22:22.10 | fungus | At prev job, we had Nagios, using custom glue to signal Qpage, to dial our pagers to send a text message. |
| 22:23.00 | josephscott | qpage is still around? wow! |
| 22:23.10 | fungus | I highly doubt it. |
| 22:23.17 | mindjuju | http://www.qpage.org/ |
| 22:23.18 | fungus | That was years ago. And it was old back then |
| 22:23.28 | josephscott | I used qpage in 1996 |
| 22:24.25 | fungus | But the idea is still valid. Have Nagios use an out of band communication method for notification if you need that lvl of notification. |
| 22:25.12 | josephscott | oh absolutely |
| 22:25.41 | fungus | Other possibilities include local asterisk install w/ an analog card. |
| 22:26.12 | fungus | Or a GSM cell phone wired in to your server to send SMS messages. |
| 22:26.30 | josephscott | an sms card would be nice |
| 22:27.28 | herlo | why not just send an email to your cell phone? |
| 22:27.53 | fungus | Because for the paranoid, that depends on an internet connection which could be down too. |
| 22:28.03 | herlo | or an sms gateway would work too |
| 22:28.18 | fungus | That's what I use personally though. Dead simple. |
| 22:28.28 | josephscott | yeah, doesn't help when your internet connection goes down |
| 22:28.42 | herlo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateway#Direct_To_Mobile_Gateway_Appliance |
| 22:28.56 | fungus | I just use a second nagios install at Xmission that monitors the status of Nagios at my main site. |
| 22:29.11 | herlo | nice |
| 22:29.18 | mindjuju | that's a cool idea, i was thinking about doing something isimilar |
| 22:29.41 | herlo | we have our cloud host provide basic alerting for us, then we have our own alerting too |
| 22:29.51 | josephscott | as long as your original connection doesn't go through xmission :-) |
| 22:30.03 | fungus | hehe, nope, it doesn't. |
| 22:30.16 | fungus | good catch though. |
| 22:34.38 | TuxToaster | yeah that was one flaw with the monitoring where I used to work.... everything went through one core router at some point. |
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| 22:34.59 | TuxToaster | my DSL... the connection at the call center.... both monitoring boxes... |
| 22:35.32 | TuxToaster | sure, we had multiple backbones on the other side of them, and it was an HA cluster, but still. |
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| 22:43.15 | Jacob_Kerr | Anyone here familiar with Titanium Appcelerator and Android Applications? |
| 22:47.16 | Jacob_Kerr | Is it hard to setup an audio converter on a BSD server? I am making an application for Iphonesm, Android etc. and need to convert all audio submitted to MP3. I would need to setup a cron job for something like this right? |
| 22:52.39 | carmony | lol, macnewbold, got a skullcandy question for ya |
| 22:55.13 | macnewbold | carmony: excellent |
| 22:55.40 | carmony | So, my order is still under processing :P |
| 22:55.48 | macnewbold | pm? |
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| 23:11.01 | Jacob_Kerr | I h8 phones what the heck. None of them allow the browser to access the file system so I have to build an app for music upload!!!! @#$%^&*( |
| 23:11.13 | thebigdog | jJacob_Kerr i am familiar with titanium and android |
| 23:11.52 | Jacob_Kerr | I am new to it but just want a signup page to post info then another page to post info + audio file should not be to hard right?? |
| 23:12.26 | thebigdog | Jacob_Kerr: are you wanting to do an android app with titanium? |
| 23:12.28 | Jacob_Kerr | Well I also want to get a post back like AJAX does... |
| 23:12.39 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah I will also be doing Iphones etc. |
| 23:13.14 | thebigdog | Jacob_Kerr: no not at all |
| 23:13.26 | thebigdog | now they have the new 1.5 version that has a ton of fixes for android |
| 23:13.28 | Jacob_Kerr | Heh I kinda already took the project on and got paid for half so I have to do it.. |
| 23:13.34 | thebigdog | the 1.4.2 really sucked |
| 23:13.40 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:14.11 | Jacob_Kerr | Well I am getting it down I got the SDKs to work. |
| 23:14.16 | thebigdog | ncie |
| 23:14.25 | thebigdog | that is how i got my first android gig |
| 23:14.49 | thebigdog | oh crap i better shut up cause mgeary might be in the house |
| 23:14.55 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL |
| 23:15.45 | thebigdog | Jacob_Kerr: if you have any questions let me know I can help answer them for you |
| 23:15.46 | Jacob_Kerr | Well I'm going to get it done. I may be up day and night but once it's done I can add it to my upcoming portfolio ;) |
| 23:15.51 | Jacob_Kerr | K thanks. |
| 23:16.09 | Jacob_Kerr | So the apps all start at app.js.. |
| 23:16.29 | thebigdog | well that is the main starter app |
| 23:16.43 | Jacob_Kerr | and I guess I need to use: var xhr = Ti.Network.createHttpClient(); to send data does that also post data back to me like AJAX? |
| 23:17.01 | thebigdog | well that is a call |
| 23:17.08 | thebigdog | that you can get results if you need it |
| 23:17.24 | thebigdog | that is an http client |
| 23:17.27 | thebigdog | so you do work there |
| 23:17.31 | thebigdog | and can process the results |
| 23:17.33 | Jacob_Kerr | Cool because I am processing the credit card and need to post back the result. |
| 23:18.00 | Jacob_Kerr | and also the result of the signup and file uploads etc. |
| 23:18.24 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 23:18.37 | thebigdog | you can look at the headers that are returned if you want too |
| 23:18.50 | thebigdog | getResponseHeader |
| 23:18.54 | thebigdog | check that method |
| 23:19.09 | thebigdog | you can use xml or json results too |
| 23:19.21 | thebigdog | or html and render the page in a webview |
| 23:19.26 | Jacob_Kerr | Cool so is it like AJAX I can submit to a .php page the just print something out on the php page and that will show in the header? |
| 23:19.42 | Jacob_Kerr | thne* |
| 23:19.46 | thebigdog | you can get the data |
| 23:19.50 | Jacob_Kerr | then* LOL lotz typos. |
| 23:19.53 | Jacob_Kerr | cool. |
| 23:20.09 | thebigdog | with the response* params |
| 23:20.20 | thebigdog | like responseData, responseText |
| 23:20.24 | thebigdog | and responseXml |
| 23:20.38 | thebigdog | data would be a blob like an image |
| 23:20.47 | Jacob_Kerr | Oh cool I think what I will be using is responseText |
| 23:20.55 | thebigdog | yeah that is cool |
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| 23:51.32 | Jacob_Kerr | thebigdog: Hey are sessions hard to handle on an android app? |
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