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| 00:30.42 | carmony | hey macnewbold, got a question for ya |
| 00:36.39 | macnewbold | howdy carmony |
| 00:36.58 | macnewbold | someone at code greene was asking about you the other day - wanting to get in touch about an iphone app or something |
| 00:37.27 | carmony | ah, yeah, I remember seeing the email. I'm actually going through my inbox and trying to get back into the habbit of Zero Inbox :P |
| 00:37.56 | carmony | So, if someone wanted to get some great deals on Skullcandy headphones / ear buds, were would be the best place? |
| 00:39.59 | macnewbold | our website has some good promos, and they usually send out codes and stuff to people who subscribe to the email list |
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| 10:41.38 | james_ | hello all |
| 10:42.55 | james_ | What would be the best way to pass PHP arrays [members of a class] to JavaScript? |
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| 16:16.39 | carmony | so, I got one server upgraded this morning |
| 16:16.42 | carmony | to 10.04 |
| 16:19.06 | mindjuju | yeah? |
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| 16:35.23 | mindjuju | DtD, you around? |
| 16:35.37 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: maybe |
| 16:35.56 | mindjuju | did you like tron legacy enough to watch again? |
| 16:36.11 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 16:36.44 | mindjuju | i'm thinking the 23rd, Jordan Commons or wherever they have 3d imax, beandog was saying that was a good way to go |
| 16:37.35 | mindjuju | i think this is the one |
| 16:37.36 | mindjuju | http://www.megaplextheatres.com/showtimes/feature.php?feature=10002040&th_code=0&date= |
| 16:38.47 | mindjuju | if we do the 10:25, that'd put us all at the belgian at around 1a, which considering our normal convention, that's about the time we normally show up there, isn't it? |
| 16:39.06 | mindjuju | i'm due for some eggs and hash w/ crazy amounts of hot sauce |
| 16:41.04 | mindjuju | if bad timing, we could do the 7:30p show, beligan around 11p |
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| 16:54.02 | influx | 3D IMAX at Jordan Commons for Tron was fun. |
| 16:54.19 | mindjuju | did you like influx? |
| 16:54.30 | influx | I enjoyed it. |
| 16:54.48 | mindjuju | enough to watch again on thursday? |
| 16:55.15 | mindjuju | what about fungus? |
| 16:55.29 | influx | Yes, but I DM a D&D campaign this Thursday. :\ |
| 16:55.54 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 16:55.55 | fungus | I haven't seen it yet. :( |
| 16:56.07 | mindjuju | fungus, me neither, let's go thursday |
| 16:56.38 | fungus | ok, I can swing that |
| 16:56.43 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 17:00.50 | cro | mindjuju: Do you know a Jason Hughes from eBay? |
| 17:00.58 | mindjuju | of course |
| 17:01.07 | mindjuju | jhughes and i were great friends |
| 17:01.17 | mindjuju | worked together on several projects |
| 17:01.26 | cro | he just had brain surgery, had a tumor that they removed |
| 17:01.33 | mindjuju | you're kididng? |
| 17:01.42 | cro | nope, he's doing well, though |
| 17:02.27 | mindjuju | wow, i had no idea |
| 17:02.41 | mindjuju | i just found him again on fb, though we're friends on linkedin |
| 17:02.41 | cro | not sure if he's back to work yet |
| 17:02.48 | mindjuju | though i'm not on linkedin v much |
| 17:02.59 | cro | yeah, he just FB messaged me, he's trying to get eBay to help with HopeKids |
| 17:03.11 | mindjuju | was it benign, was this exploratory ? |
| 17:03.40 | cro | It was benign, it was quite invasive, but they think it's all out now |
| 17:03.49 | mindjuju | oh good |
| 17:03.53 | mindjuju | he's a good man |
| 17:04.46 | mindjuju | i know several others there in upper management, but i'm not sure ebay is stillt he company i left several years ago |
| 17:04.57 | mindjuju | i think money flows tighter than it did before |
| 17:05.03 | cro | yeah, I can understand that |
| 17:06.21 | mindjuju | money used to fall off the trees back then |
| 17:06.42 | mindjuju | free soda always including mountain dew, they didn't have red alert back then, but they had some christmas flavor people liked |
| 17:06.50 | mindjuju | all kinds of company perks |
| 17:07.46 | mindjuju | yeah, Jason is a good man, like him a lot, i'll have to message him privately to express sympathy and support |
| 17:08.04 | cro | good deal, I've enjoyed getting to know him |
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| 17:43.00 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 17:43.01 | ibot | teaches herlo that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 17:44.01 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:45.57 | mindjuju | since my son is home from school as they started their vacation today, i've decided to start teaching him physics |
| 17:46.06 | mgeary | nice |
| 17:46.19 | mgeary | i was always bad at physics |
| 17:46.40 | mindjuju | it's much easier when you use this as the curriculum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28vS4pzcupY |
| 17:47.35 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:48.07 | mindjuju | we're actually focused on math, reading and electronic circuits, i thought this would be a fun little game to play whilst on vacation |
| 17:48.57 | TuxToaster | sounds like fun |
| 17:49.11 | mindjuju | oh yeah, it is |
| 17:49.14 | PoeticIntensity | Right on, mindjuju |
| 17:49.16 | mgeary | you oughta throw a little python in the mix :) |
| 17:49.21 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:49.28 | mindjuju | and the great part about it is, i can play at work and he can play against me from home |
| 17:50.09 | TuxToaster | I should give my kid remote access to this database I'm working on, he could "play" and fix the transaction deadlocks for me. heh |
| 17:50.19 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:50.48 | mindjuju | anybody here ever play scorched earth? |
| 17:50.54 | PoeticIntensity | YES! |
| 17:50.56 | mgeary | i loved that game |
| 17:51.11 | mindjuju | i should see if they even make that |
| 17:53.30 | mgeary | there are several decent clones out there |
| 17:53.41 | mindjuju | you played decent ? |
| 17:54.01 | mindjuju | i LOVED decent |
| 17:54.10 | mindjuju | i heard there are a few people that play on kali.net still |
| 17:55.09 | mindjuju | i heard they were going to release an update for the wii, but i don't think it happened |
| 17:55.19 | mindjuju | it was suppose to be out for Christmas this year |
| 17:55.29 | TuxToaster | that would be sweet |
| 17:56.08 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I liked Descent. |
| 17:56.22 | PoeticIntensity | I think they had like 4 versions of it, didn't they? |
| 17:56.30 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... that was good stuff. |
| 17:56.35 | mindjuju | descent 1, 2 and 3 |
| 17:56.36 | TuxToaster | first time I played Descent was on a LAN party in high school |
| 17:56.44 | mindjuju | then they had something called descent : freespace |
| 17:56.47 | mindjuju | but it wsasn't related |
| 17:56.58 | mindjuju | and there was a clone that i never played called foresaken |
| 17:57.00 | TuxToaster | didn't realize everyone else was busy battling each other, found the reactor and blew it up |
| 17:57.45 | TuxToaster | I've got a couple of CDs at home that I picked up a few years back, think one is Freespace and the other as Descent 3 or something |
| 17:57.59 | mindjuju | in the end, it's prolly a good thing descent isn't out anymore |
| 17:58.09 | mindjuju | i'd hate to smoke y'alls butts |
| 17:58.12 | mindjuju | collectively speaking |
| 17:58.27 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:59.01 | mindjuju | i think i have all the discs still for descent 1,2,3 and freespace |
| 18:00.39 | TuxToaster | I also used to play Microsoft's Fury 3, it wasn't a bad little game either |
| 18:00.55 | TuxToaster | don't think it could handle multiplayer stuff though |
| 18:03.59 | mindjuju | i think there is an open source port of descent, though i don't rmemeber what it is called |
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| 18:52.41 | carmony | ok |
| 18:53.22 | carmony | fungus: I was wondering if I could draw from your amazing sys admin wisdom... |
| 18:56.05 | carmony | or anyone else's here |
| 18:56.18 | carmony | how would you recommend I upgrade to php 5.3.3 on my linux box? |
| 18:56.24 | carmony | ubuntu 10.04 |
| 18:57.13 | thebigdog | what version are you on? |
| 18:57.43 | thebigdog | you on the 5.2.* |
| 18:57.50 | TuxToaster | too bad there's not an easy way (that I've found) for doing 5.3 on cent |
| 19:00.05 | fungus | carmony, 10.4 has 5.3.2 |
| 19:00.16 | fungus | If you want a different version, you have 3 choices. |
| 19:00.30 | fungus | 1. Find a third party repo, that you trust, and add it. |
| 19:00.48 | fungus | 2. Build your own deb package, and optionally your own local repo. |
| 19:00.53 | fungus | 3. Compile from source. |
| 19:01.23 | carmony | which would you recommend? |
| 19:01.33 | fungus | I recommend in that order |
| 19:02.53 | carmony | ok |
| 19:03.50 | thebigdog | be careful with 3rd parties though |
| 19:03.56 | thebigdog | there are some crappy ones out there |
| 19:04.26 | carmony | yeah |
| 19:05.30 | carmony | what about dotdeb? |
| 19:06.57 | thebigdog | i have not ran into any issues |
| 19:12.10 | thebigdog | carmony: you should roll your own so you can be ultra l33t |
| 19:12.18 | carmony | lol |
| 19:17.44 | thebigdog | or build a deb package |
| 19:17.45 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:18.26 | thebigdog | make a cool song while you are doing it with PoeticIntensity and he can give you some rocking drums |
| 19:19.51 | herlo | thebigdog: that last sentence sounds really bad |
| 19:27.10 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 19:27.10 | ibot | beats cycokilr to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 19:29.53 | SunSparc | ~snow |
| 19:29.53 | ibot | well, snow is cold, or white, or comes down in flakes, or cocaine |
| 19:30.05 | SunSparc | ~snow thebigdog |
| 19:30.06 | ibot | ACTION gets a bunch of white paper dots and shreds and flies over thebigdog in a helicopter, dropping them incessantly |
| 19:33.08 | mindjuju | @sunsparc |
| 19:33.09 | mindjuju | yo |
| 19:33.14 | mindjuju | you still around? |
| 19:33.35 | SunSparc | ~orange mindjuju |
| 19:33.49 | mindjuju | hey, know anything about this lunar eclipse tonight? |
| 19:34.41 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2010_lunar_eclipse |
| 19:35.09 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Yeah, it is going to be dark. |
| 19:35.25 | mindjuju | your funny |
| 19:35.32 | SunSparc | :D |
| 19:35.32 | mindjuju | i found this thought |
| 19:35.33 | SunSparc | Thanks |
| 19:35.33 | mindjuju | http://www.space.com/spacewatch/total-lunar-eclipse-weather-forecasts-101220.html |
| 19:35.37 | mindjuju | thx fungus! |
| 19:35.53 | mindjuju | i was going to haul corban off to watch it, but forgot about the weather being dismal |
| 19:36.02 | SunSparc | It is most unfortunate that we probably will not be able to witness it. |
| 19:36.05 | mindjuju | was wondering where is a good place to watch such things |
| 19:36.41 | SunSparc | Well, there is a great place on the Alpine loop, but not this time of year. |
| 19:36.55 | fungus | I have a webcam recording pics of the sky every 10 seconds. Can't wait to see the footage tomorrow, if there is anything. |
| 19:37.15 | mindjuju | fungus, what you using to snap the shots? |
| 19:37.22 | fungus | ffmpeg |
| 19:37.45 | mindjuju | ffmpeg seems like the proverbial swiss army knife of coollness |
| 19:37.50 | fungus | yup |
| 19:38.02 | fungus | ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -i /dev/video0 -s 1024x768 -r 0.1 image%4d.jpg |
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| 19:40.13 | mindjuju | ~carmony |
| 19:40.14 | ibot | well, carmony is in love with memcache, is a dot net developer and admits it, and codes for the iPhone |
| 19:40.29 | mindjuju | ibot, carmony is also a CIO |
| 19:40.29 | ibot | mindjuju: okay |
| 19:40.40 | mindjuju | ~carmony |
| 19:40.40 | ibot | it has been said that carmony is in love with memcache, is a dot net developer and admits it, and codes for the iPhone, or a CIO |
| 19:40.47 | carmony | lol |
| 19:41.00 | carmony | CTO ;) But in a company of 4, its not that big of a deal :P |
| 19:41.52 | mindjuju | like Dr. John Taber says that doesn't matter as much as you'd think |
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| 20:11.41 | SunSparc | mindjuju: "LIVE NOW: Chat with NASA Astronomers about tonight's lunar eclipse and then come back to join us 'Up All Night' http://go.nasa.gov/dY0d86" |
| 20:12.11 | mindjuju | awesome! |
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| 20:38.29 | TuxToaster | carmony: do you use a specific host for memcache and connect to that, or do you have memcached running on each server? |
| 20:40.14 | carmony | Just have memcache running on the web server |
| 20:40.52 | TuxToaster | kk. That's what I'm doing now. Have been wondering if there would be much benefit to having a centralized cache or not |
| 20:41.07 | carmony | it would if you were spreading it across multple servers |
| 20:41.15 | carmony | but if you just have on web |
| 20:41.19 | carmony | one web, and one memcache |
| 20:41.24 | carmony | might as well keep it on the same box |
| 20:42.01 | TuxToaster | what I've got going right now is each server has it's own memcache, which updates about once an hour (the caches are all set to expire hourly, except for a few static things that don't change much) |
| 20:43.13 | TuxToaster | our "legacy" stack is in Lasso, which is an app server that supports global variables that are persistent across page requests, so I ended up setting up memcached in a way to emulate that on the PHP side |
| 20:43.49 | TuxToaster | much cleaner though IMO, since we don't have to have an event reload the global vars or anything, if it's not in the cache then it just hits the DB instead, hardly noticible to the end user |
| 20:44.15 | josephscott | just one web server then? |
| 20:44.30 | TuxToaster | no, a few. |
| 20:45.02 | josephscott | do you store the persistent data in the DB as well then? |
| 20:45.06 | TuxToaster | to me though, if it had to go across the network to hit a cache server, seems like it wouldn't be much different than going across to hit the DB server, except that it's slightly faster |
| 20:45.45 | TuxToaster | well most of what is persistent are things like client configuration options, an array of country objects, etc. |
| 20:45.59 | josephscott | depending on what you are using it for it can be much, much, MUCH faster |
| 20:46.03 | TuxToaster | stuff that we don't want to have to hit the DB for every time they're needed |
| 20:46.19 | TuxToaster | josephscott: much faster than hitting the local machine? |
| 20:46.26 | TuxToaster | or just hitting the db? |
| 20:46.29 | josephscott | ahhh, gotcha, thought you were talking about something like a session handler |
| 20:46.33 | TuxToaster | ah no |
| 20:46.38 | josephscott | much faster than hitting the DB |
| 20:46.50 | TuxToaster | I do have a custom session handler that hits a local db |
| 20:46.55 | TuxToaster | err that hits a central db |
| 20:47.25 | josephscott | toying around with the idea of replacing memcached with redis, we'll see |
| 20:47.41 | TuxToaster | hadn't thought about doing any session stuff with memcache |
| 20:47.51 | TuxToaster | I've heard of redis, but hadn't had a chance to look it up yet |
| 20:48.52 | TuxToaster | the thing that makes me wonder about memcache is two things: having to have an md5 key (which seems to only be in some versions, or maybe I'm doing something wrong) |
| 20:48.53 | josephscott | we've generally avoided session handlers, makes it harder to scale out |
| 20:49.14 | josephscott | an md5 key for what? |
| 20:49.17 | TuxToaster | and not having an easy way to reset the cache (I just restart the service if needed) |
| 20:49.23 | TuxToaster | one moment |
| 20:49.43 | TuxToaster | to load countries, I do this: |
| 20:49.47 | TuxToaster | $countries_key = md5('Countries'); |
| 20:49.47 | TuxToaster | $countries = $memcache->get($countries_key); |
| 20:50.03 | TuxToaster | (based on some guide I had followed a while back) |
| 20:50.50 | josephscott | memcached key just needs to be text, any unique text will do |
| 20:51.15 | TuxToaster | hmm. I had wondered what the point of that was for |
| 20:51.16 | TuxToaster | hehe |
| 20:51.35 | TuxToaster | I noticed when we were trying a Zend server that they didn't use that, but I hadn't got around to changing it |
| 20:59.19 | TuxToaster | sweet. That should save some processing time to not be using MD5s. |
| 21:07.52 | carmony | ok, if I wanted to disable apache at startup on ubuntu, how would I do that? |
| 21:13.11 | TuxToaster | you could remove the symlink for apache from the /etc/rcX.d folder, where X is the default runlevel (Ubuntu's is 2, I believe) |
| 21:13.32 | TuxToaster | but not sure if there's a tool for managing them otherwise (similar to chkconfig on CentOS) |
| 21:14.48 | josephscott | carmony: what version of ubuntu? |
| 21:14.55 | carmony | 10.04 |
| 21:15.19 | herlo | 9.34 |
| 21:15.34 | DexterTheDragon | 3.14 |
| 21:15.57 | herlo | ~rand |
| 21:15.57 | ibot | 5 |
| 21:16.36 | josephscott | sudo aptitude install sysv-rc-conf |
| 21:16.37 | josephscott | sudo sysv-rc-conf |
| 21:16.39 | josephscott | carmony: ^^ ? |
| 21:17.10 | carmony | test... |
| 21:17.55 | DexterTheDragon | quiz... |
| 21:17.56 | carmony | wow |
| 21:17.57 | carmony | awesome |
| 21:17.57 | josephscott | makes me miss good ol' /etc/rc.conf in freebsd :-) |
| 21:18.54 | carmony | well |
| 21:19.03 | carmony | I just migrated clipish to nginx and php-fpm |
| 21:19.08 | josephscott | sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
| 21:19.18 | josephscott | might be another option, depending on exactly what you want to do |
| 21:37.47 | carmony | I hate it when we discover a bug |
| 21:38.02 | carmony | after a big change like switching web servers |
| 21:38.06 | carmony | and so we think it was that |
| 21:38.17 | carmony | and after a bunch of debugging, it looks like it was a problem all along |
| 21:49.38 | ninnypants | carmony: question for you |
| 21:49.48 | carmony | ninnypants: sure |
| 21:50.19 | ninnypants | what kind of algorythem do you use to match people at DDNA? if you can say |
| 21:52.13 | fungus | ~google algorythem |
| 21:52.34 | fungus | ~dict algorythem |
| 21:52.55 | carmony | um, I wouldn't call it an algorythem |
| 21:53.19 | carmony | its more of a gianormous set of if statements |
| 21:54.33 | fungus | hmm, I would probably call that an algorithm |
| 21:54.36 | fungus | :) |
| 21:55.54 | ninnypants | ah ok I wasn't sure if maybe you used something similar to what the TrueSkill ranking system does to match them http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/trueskill/ |
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| 22:13.12 | TuxToaster | another caching question... |
| 22:13.18 | mindjuju | ~give mgeary a lolli for his burnt lip |
| 22:13.18 | ibot | ACTION gives a lolli for his burnt lip to mgeary |
| 22:13.28 | mgeary | not my lip, my finger |
| 22:13.42 | mgeary | and it's got a huge blister on it |
| 22:14.00 | TuxToaster | one of our sites supports multiple languages by having an XML file with strings in it for each page/section/etc. for each language |
| 22:15.05 | TuxToaster | the file is roughly 100k. Right now the webserver reads it for each page, which I know isn't horribly efficient, but would it be a good idea to store that in the memcache? |
| 22:15.19 | mindjuju | ibot, take mgeary to the hospital for his 2nd degree burned finger |
| 22:15.30 | mgeary | no kidding |
| 22:15.41 | mgeary | or at least give me a block of ice for it |
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| 22:33.38 | josephscott | TuxToaster: ideal things for caching are usually expensive and don't change very often |
| 22:33.58 | josephscott | the later you can tweak a bit by invalidating when needed |
| 22:34.27 | TuxToaster | right, and these language XMLs seem to fit that :-) |
| 22:34.49 | TuxToaster | just wondering if there might be any issues given that they are 100k each or anything |
| 22:35.49 | josephscott | memcached value limit is 1MB I believe |
| 22:36.03 | TuxToaster | kk |
| 22:36.19 | TuxToaster | I'll have to try it in testing and see how it works |
| 22:50.54 | josephscott | carmony: good to hear nginx + php-fpm is performing nicely |
| 22:51.10 | carmony | So I setup my twitter account to my FB account |
| 22:51.26 | carmony | and a few friends now have sent me messages saying "what the heck are you talking about?" |
| 22:52.10 | ninnypants | carmony: I did the same thing and have gotten the same response |
| 22:52.12 | josephscott | haha, yeah, I had the same experience a few years back when I did that |
| 22:52.30 | josephscott | ended up turning it off because all of the FB feedback was "who cares" |
| 22:53.54 | josephscott | because, you know, their post about cleaning up the baby poop was sooooo much better ;-) |
| 22:56.25 | ninnypants | heh :) I ignored the feedback and it eventually went away |
| 22:57.31 | josephscott | mgeary: what did you end up doing with your Apple TV2? |
| 23:16.06 | mgeary | hey, josephscott |
| 23:16.19 | mgeary | we got a big LCD TV and we're lovin' it |
| 23:16.46 | josephscott | ah |
| 23:17.05 | josephscott | was hoping you found some wonderful/inexpensive way to make it work with your std def tv |
| 23:17.50 | mgeary | well, the only option i found was a $150 converter box |
| 23:18.01 | mgeary | and i figured i'd rather apply that money to a new tv |
| 23:19.04 | josephscott | guess I'll put it off another year or two and see what happens |
| 23:19.44 | mgeary | right on |
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| 23:39.53 | beandog | hey guys, what is the difference between 'document' and 'window' in JS? |
| 23:43.11 | SunSparc | http://www.webdevelopersnotes.com/tutorials/javascript/online_javascript_reference_alert_method.php3 |
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| 23:43.51 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://leetlady.com/img/leetlady_tronopoly.png |
| 23:43.59 | TuxToaster | about the same as the difference in the browser :-) |
| 23:44.25 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, nice |
| 23:44.26 | TuxToaster | document deals mostly with properties and methods specific to the document, specifically the body and elements within it |
| 23:44.44 | TuxToaster | window handles top-level events, printing, closing, etc. |
| 23:44.49 | beandog | TuxToaster, yah seems to be browser specific |
| 23:44.51 | beandog | afaict |
| 23:45.10 | TuxToaster | sweet board |
| 23:45.11 | DexterTheDragon | all javascript is browser specific |
| 23:45.18 | TuxToaster | beandog: what are you looking for exactly? |
| 23:45.24 | TuxToaster | ++ |
| 23:45.37 | TuxToaster | though even IE is a lot better now than it used to be |
| 23:45.43 | beandog | TuxToaster, Im just playing with observing javascript events |
| 23:46.00 | TuxToaster | most of the browser-specific stuff is with events |
| 23:46.01 | beandog | I wanst sure what the diff between a document and window being in 'loaded' state would be |
| 23:46.04 | TuxToaster | yup, exactly. |
| 23:46.26 | TuxToaster | beandog: that's the tricky part. |
| 23:46.33 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 23:46.39 | beandog | mindjuju, yomes |
| 23:46.48 | mindjuju | how is the moving? |
| 23:46.50 | TuxToaster | the window is what fires the load event, saying the document within it is finished loading |
| 23:47.21 | beandog | mindjuju, I'm mostly done |
| 23:47.35 | TuxToaster | beandog: but the big difference isn't really where the event state is, but how you watch for it.... i.e. most compliant browsers you use window.addEventListener, but IE uses window.attachEvent |
| 23:47.37 | mindjuju | oh good |
| 23:47.49 | beandog | TuxToaster, huh okay |
| 23:47.50 | TuxToaster | though window.onload might work for both |
| 23:48.11 | beandog | I thought I read somewhere that one of them is like when the page first comes up, and one was when everything was loaded ... but my tests haven't really proven anything like that |
| 23:48.22 | beandog | oh, onload, maybe that's it |
| 23:48.53 | TuxToaster | the "old" way is the onload event, but it's just like onclick, onmousedown, etc. in that you can only have one |
| 23:49.07 | beandog | TuxToaster, what do you mean only have one? |
| 23:49.22 | TuxToaster | using things like addEventListener or attachEvent lets you have multiple functions fire when the event happens |
| 23:50.22 | beandog | I dont even know what those are. |
| 23:50.26 | TuxToaster | beandog: the easiest way I can think of to explain it is this -- if you do window.onload = functionA(); and then later window.onload = functionB(); only functionB will run |
| 23:50.34 | beandog | Maybe because I'm using Prototype for event observation. |
| 23:50.42 | beandog | TuxToaster, gotcha. |
| 23:50.54 | TuxToaster | but if you do window.addEventListener('onload', functionA) and then the same with B later, BOTH get called. |
| 23:51.16 | TuxToaster | ah ok, Prototype, jQuery, etc all use the add/attach stuff then |
| 23:51.42 | TuxToaster | I haven't done a lot with them but I believe they are supposed to abstract that for you so you don't have to worry about which browser you're using |
| 23:52.40 | ninnypants | yeah they do |
| 23:52.46 | TuxToaster | beandog: basically those methods are supposed to make it easier to watch for events, and let you add and remove watchers at will, but of course IE handles it differently |
| 23:53.05 | beandog | TuxToaster, okay |
| 23:53.24 | beandog | Well I use all my Element.observe methods on window.load |
| 23:53.32 | beandog | I was just curious why they don't work with document.load |
| 23:53.34 | TuxToaster | beandog: this might be helpful with the Prototype side of it http://andrewdupont.net/2006/04/15/objectified-custom-element-methods-in-prototype/ |
| 23:53.38 | beandog | Or what the diff. between them was. |
| 23:53.57 | beandog | k thx |
| 23:54.24 | TuxToaster | yeah I think window.load is the ideal there. |
| 23:54.25 | TuxToaster | yep |
| 23:54.32 | ninnypants | beandog: the document and window can be ready at different times |
| 23:54.34 | beandog | Okay |
| 23:54.39 | beandog | ninnypants, okay, thats what I thought |
| 23:55.03 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: does the document object fire a load event though? |
| 23:55.26 | ninnypants | I'm not sure I know the body element does |
| 23:55.38 | ninnypants | I believe the document just has a ready state |
| 23:55.57 | TuxToaster | aha it's body onload |
| 23:56.12 | TuxToaster | js is confusing :-) |
| 23:56.23 | ninnypants | yeah I think for document you use something like document.body.onload |
| 23:56.34 | ninnypants | ~blame IE |
| 23:56.34 | ibot | ACTION blames IE (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 23:56.36 | TuxToaster | yeah that makes sense |
| 23:58.53 | TuxToaster | beandog: really good description in this answer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/191157/window-onload-vs-body-onload |
| 23:59.23 | beandog | TuxToaster, okay thanks, Im still looking thru that first one |
| 23:59.57 | TuxToaster | basically it seems (at least according to him) that the body and window onload functions are the same event, but those won't fire until everything is loaded. The DOM ready event is the one that fires earlier (after the DOM is loaded, but before images have finished downloading, etc.) |
