| 00:02.39 | carmony | ok |
| 00:02.40 | josephscott | carmony: how is redis going? |
| 00:02.53 | carmony | heh, its going alright, keep getting distracted with side projects |
| 00:03.22 | carmony | alright.... |
| 00:03.36 | carmony | I need to set the current timezone for a php script |
| 00:03.39 | carmony | based off the offet |
| 00:04.29 | carmony | now, I see ways to do it with the Timezone name |
| 00:04.36 | carmony | but I don't have the name, just the offset |
| 00:06.44 | herlo | carmony: well, you can make reasonable guesses as to the TZ, no? |
| 00:07.17 | carmony | I guess |
| 00:07.18 | carmony | :P |
| 00:08.25 | herlo | carmony: well, make a simple table that assumes things, just don't put MST7MDT for Arizona :) |
| 00:08.34 | carmony | lol :P |
| 00:09.17 | herlo | or make the program figure out what the TZ name is before sending it to you, seems more reasonable anyway |
| 00:09.40 | ninnypants | hey herlo when are we going to do another hack day? |
| 00:09.47 | herlo | ninnypants: dunno, ask mindjuju |
| 00:10.55 | josephscott | carmony: http://www.php.net/manual/en/datetime.getoffset.php ? |
| 00:11.14 | josephscott | wait, wrong link |
| 00:14.53 | josephscott | carmony: can you use http://us3.php.net/manual/en/datetimezone.gettransitions.php to look up the offset |
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| 00:31.07 | herlo | josephscott: he has the offset, not the name |
| 00:33.27 | josephscott | my idea was to walk the list looking for the right offset, but that only contains the abbreviation, not the tz string |
| 00:35.10 | josephscott | wait, http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.date-default-timezone-set.php says it will take an abbreviation, so that could still work |
| 00:44.16 | herlo | man, that seems like a lot of wokr, wouldn't just having a lib for offset with reasonable guesses to TZ's be better? |
| 01:10.37 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 01:10.37 | ibot | changes stderr's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
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| 16:04.39 | Utah_Dave | This article on using bcrypt instead of a hash like md5 or sha1 is pretty interesting |
| 16:05.17 | Utah_Dave | Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I think we've discussed using md5 or sha1 before |
| 16:05.19 | Utah_Dave | http://codahale.com/how-to-safely-store-a-password/# |
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| 16:06.17 | mgeary | snow sound-off. I had about 4 inches on my driveway this morning. Got to use the ATV and plow, whee! |
| 16:07.22 | mindjuju | i am SO jealous, i want an atv plow |
| 16:07.44 | mindjuju | i think i'm going to save up my pennies to buy one for next winter |
| 16:08.01 | mindjuju | mind if i ask, did you buy it for the purpose of snow plow, or something else? |
| 16:08.11 | mindjuju | if purpose snowplow, what did you buy and how much? |
| 16:08.46 | brasto | about 4 inches here, too. Except we have a snow blower, and my dad got to it before I did. |
| 16:09.29 | CoolDude | haha, I figured that one was taken. |
| 16:10.05 | mgeary | mindjuju: yeah, bought it for plowing, we have a couple of rental properties with big driveways, so it was a deductible expense :) |
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| 16:10.58 | mindjuju | oh, you are smart! |
| 16:11.11 | mgeary | mindjuju: i bought it on KSL.com about exactly a year ago. Got a Polaris 800cc. i could (and probably should) have gotten something cheaper. It was about $6k |
| 16:11.18 | GreatWhiteWizard | no, mindjuju, you are supposed to say "you be smart". |
| 16:12.12 | mgeary | it was nearly new, and one of the bigger ones out there |
| 16:12.14 | AnnoyingFetcher | lol, that one's not taken. |
| 16:12.54 | AnnoyingFetcher | Do you make enough from your rental properties to pay for them and get a little back? |
| 16:13.12 | AnnoyingFetcher | ^ that was for mgeary |
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| 16:13.32 | mgeary | yeah, we bought them at a good time, so they do indeed produce a bit of positive cash flow |
| 16:14.23 | josephscott | Utah_Dave: bcrypt is generally better, but there are other things you can do to improve password hasing |
| 16:14.24 | brasto | that's very good. That's hard to do right now. |
| 16:14.25 | josephscott | hashing |
| 16:15.16 | josephscott | Utah_Dave: first part of this article covers it well - http://www.openwall.com/articles/PHP-Users-Passwords |
| 16:15.28 | josephscott | phpass for hashing passwords in PHP is strongly recommended |
| 16:17.38 | Utah_Dave | cool, thanks, josephscott |
| 16:18.11 | josephscott | key stretching is part of that, not sure if that is the same as the work factor the article you linked to mentioned |
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| 16:25.53 | Utah_Dave | josephscott: Yeah, I think making the calculation take longer is the key part of the whole idea |
| 16:27.20 | josephscott | the concern I'd have with simply a work factor vs. stretching is that someone finds a short cut on the work factor item. I'd need to read up more to be more confident |
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| 17:05.46 | mindjuju | wow, guy dives to 100meters and comes back up unassisted - http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/22880/diver+plunges+100+meters+unassisted+on+one+breath+to+set+world+record/ |
| 17:05.52 | mindjuju | and holds breath for 4 minutes |
| 17:06.01 | mindjuju | i think i can go 30 seconds holding breath |
| 17:06.31 | mgeary | anyone ever see The Big Blue? Decent movie, great soundtrack |
| 17:06.44 | mindjuju | they actually talk about that movie in the article |
| 17:06.48 | mindjuju | i'm going to have to look for it |
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| 17:13.37 | mindjuju | ah sunsparc, been wanting to talk with you |
| 17:15.13 | mindjuju | I saw your fb post from about a week ago about carl bloch, been REALLY wanting to go, have you gone? was it amazing? |
| 17:15.27 | mindjuju | i understand that's the first time all his works have been brought together in one place |
| 17:17.36 | SunSparc | I have not yet been. I have heard that it is amazing though. |
| 17:17.45 | mindjuju | ah, thought you'd gone already |
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| 17:17.58 | mindjuju | like i say i REALLY want to go |
| 17:18.03 | mindjuju | love the art work |
| 17:18.08 | SunSparc | As do I. |
| 17:19.48 | mindjuju | i think will go on Saturday |
| 17:21.34 | SunSparc | One of mine favorites of his is the Sermon on the Mount. |
| 17:21.48 | SunSparc | I love that is many of his paintings he has daffodils. |
| 17:23.04 | SunSparc | Though so many of his paintings are cropped and you lose those details. |
| 17:23.49 | mindjuju | Bethesda is a good one and doubting Thomas |
| 17:23.55 | mindjuju | they're both way up there for me |
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| 17:27.52 | mindjuju | that soundtrack is way awesome |
| 17:27.58 | thebigdog | i work in the "grid" |
| 17:28.00 | mindjuju | been listening to it for many days |
| 17:28.05 | thebigdog | same here |
| 17:28.06 | thebigdog | i love it |
| 17:28.10 | mindjuju | my brain is the grid |
| 17:28.33 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:28.39 | thebigdog | one day i got in |
| 17:28.50 | mindjuju | when you going to the movie? |
| 17:29.53 | thebigdog | not sure |
| 17:30.08 | thebigdog | i need to find some time so the fam can go |
| 17:30.12 | thebigdog | atleast part of the fam |
| 17:30.16 | mindjuju | sadly, won't prolly go till next week |
| 17:30.56 | thebigdog | likewise here |
| 17:31.22 | thebigdog | what is up with all the stupid fight movies coming out |
| 17:31.29 | josephscott | yep, too many things happening this week, won't go until next week at the earliest :-( |
| 17:32.10 | josephscott | from back when they had arcades - http://www.kongregate.com/games/GameTap/street-fighter-2-ce |
| 17:32.30 | mindjuju | and decided that i won't watch hp 7.1 until I can see 7.2 |
| 17:32.32 | mindjuju | hate cliffhangers |
| 17:37.40 | josephscott | mindjuju: wasn't really any more of a cliff hanger than every single movie that came before it |
| 17:38.55 | mindjuju | oh |
| 17:39.19 | josephscott | every HP is a bit of cliff hanger |
| 17:41.10 | mindjuju | i bet for hp7.2 they'll replay 7.1 |
| 17:41.16 | mindjuju | seems like they did that for matrix 2 and 3 |
| 18:11.52 | mgeary | okay folks, give me your thoughts on this. A client has asked that we provide a way for customers to get a branded icon on their desktop that they can double-click to launch their website |
| 18:12.35 | mindjuju | on winders, just a shortcut with the icon loading in from a file? |
| 18:12.42 | mgeary | now, i'm not aware of a standard way to do this, particularly with a custom icon, such that it works in all common browsers. So my thinking here is to write platform-specific executable scripts that have custom icons |
| 18:13.03 | mgeary | mindjuju: but how do you make it possible for the end user to get this shortcut without them having to have a brain? |
| 18:13.30 | mgeary | in Safari, you can drag the Favicon to your desktop (Mac), but it gives the shortcut a generic icon |
| 18:13.41 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 18:14.07 | DexterTheDragon | http://prism.mozillalabs.com/ |
| 18:14.47 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: nice, but they don't want to run it as an app, they just want it to launch their website in the default browser |
| 18:17.07 | josephscott | maybe something like realbasic to dev a small cross platform app that just launches the default browser |
| 18:17.17 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: yeah I think you'd have to write a binary that the person can download and it just fires off a url to the OS |
| 18:17.18 | josephscott | this idea sounds rather lame though |
| 18:17.37 | mindjuju | a lot of gun for such a simple task |
| 18:18.18 | josephscott | making someone download and install an app sounds like more work that: go to example.com |
| 18:25.05 | mgeary | agreed |
| 18:25.22 | mgeary | but in this case, they want (and many users want) a visual reminder of the website |
| 18:26.19 | mindjuju | k, i just researched this and found that for a straight up HTML file saved to the desktop, (which could then have JS to b ump them to the real site), can't use a unique icon or a favicon as the image |
| 18:26.26 | mindjuju | it's always the default browser icon |
| 18:26.28 | mindjuju | :( |
| 18:26.46 | mindjuju | but, in winders, you can shortcut the file and then you can choose icons |
| 18:27.02 | mindjuju | of course though... |
| 18:27.19 | mindjuju | so you want this to work across all platforms? |
| 18:27.40 | mgeary | www.mymusicrx.org is a site where people can find and buy iTunes songs, with 5% going to the Children's Cancer Association. They're finding that people forget to use the site when they buy music, so they want more reminders |
| 18:27.58 | mgeary | mindjuju: nah, we'll need to have a Mac download and a Windows download |
| 18:28.21 | mgeary | on Mac, we'll probably just do an applescript with a custom icon. On Windows probably a bat file or somesuch |
| 18:28.41 | mindjuju | oh, ok, i was going to see if batch file was ok |
| 18:28.47 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: not exactly in our target audience, but you're saying the site is broken in Linux? |
| 18:29.07 | DexterTheDragon | no your proposed desktop icon |
| 18:29.29 | mgeary | ah, well i'm not aware of a standardized way to give an executable a custom icon in Linux |
| 18:30.09 | josephscott | mgeary: linux has thousands of standards, just pick one ;-) |
| 18:30.21 | mgeary | exactly |
| 18:30.28 | DexterTheDragon | also it doesn't work on linux cause it trys to make me download this itunes thing |
| 18:31.31 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: sure it does, you just haven't installed wine yet :-) |
| 18:32.42 | DexterTheDragon | thats ok. I'm more than fine giving amazon all my money since they've decided to support linux |
| 18:33.30 | josephscott | really? didn't know amazon's download tool worked on linux |
| 18:33.46 | DexterTheDragon | yep |
| 18:34.31 | josephscott | hmmm, doesn't appear to support OS/2, download with Amazon! |
| 18:34.43 | josephscott | s/download/down/ |
| 18:35.13 | thebigdog | mgeary just use installanywhere and you would be fine http://www.flexerasoftware.com/products/installanywhere.htm |
| 18:36.15 | mgeary | i assume that's a joke, thebigdog |
| 18:36.28 | mindjuju | so mgeary, here's what i would do in a batch file |
| 18:36.34 | mindjuju | it's cheating, but it'll prolly work |
| 18:37.01 | mindjuju | i'd make an HTML file with a window.location = 'http://websitehere' |
| 18:37.05 | mindjuju | BUT |
| 18:37.16 | mindjuju | give the html file the extension ttlg |
| 18:37.23 | mindjuju | which windows will be all, what's that |
| 18:37.25 | thebigdog | mgeary: not a joke, but the installer and create just shortcuts like you want |
| 18:37.46 | mindjuju | then build ya a batch, and have the batch mod the reg and tell it to use FF as the default application and specify the default icon |
| 18:37.51 | mindjuju | and BAM! |
| 18:38.25 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju for modin the reg |
| 18:38.25 | ibot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on mindjuju for modin the reg |
| 18:38.38 | mgeary | meh. for that matter i could just create a little Flash executable |
| 18:39.24 | mindjuju | ~mod DexterTheDragon 's reg |
| 18:49.49 | mindjuju | this is funny, but there are funnier on the site |
| 18:49.49 | mindjuju | http://damnyouautocorrect.com/2935/holiday-party/ |
| 18:50.05 | mindjuju | this is safe, no bad language, the ones on the site have all kinds of stuff, so you've been warned |
| 19:01.30 | mindjuju | this autocorrect "feature" on the iphone, wow |
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| 19:14.04 | SunSparc | mindjuju: that is a funny site |
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| 19:41.03 | mindjuju | hey mgeary, who makes REALLy good bread in orem? |
| 19:41.34 | mgeary | Kneaders |
| 19:41.59 | mindjuju | i don't thinki've actually eaten there, though i've driven by it |
| 19:42.13 | mindjuju | thx for the tip, i want to buy some fresh bread / cinammon rolls for Saturday |
| 19:43.01 | mgeary | Kneaders is awesome |
| 19:43.12 | mgeary | Great Harvest is also good, but Kneaders wins |
| 19:44.52 | romanovic | curse you Amazon MP3 downloader! |
| 19:45.07 | romanovic | Every 3rd song fails, all retry attempts fail |
| 19:45.18 | mindjuju | i heard that if it fails, you stand to not get your song |
| 19:46.08 | romanovic | where is Amazon HQ? |
| 19:46.28 | mindjuju | california? |
| 19:48.24 | mindjuju | romanovic, i was wrong |
| 19:48.26 | mindjuju | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=amazon,+inc&sll=47.597518,-122.326498&sspn=0.004855,0.007274&ie=UTF8&t=h&rq=1&ev=zi&split=1&radius=0.2&hq=amazon,+inc&hnear=&ll=47.597518,-122.326498&spn=0.004855,0.007274&z=17 |
| 19:49.14 | romanovic | thanks! |
| 19:54.11 | mindjuju | @romanovic, wondering what the building looked like, i zoomed in, but was horrified to find out Amazon is really a puddle on 5th Ave - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=amazon,+inc&sll=47.59729,-122.327788&sspn=0.000607,0.000909&ie=UTF8&t=h&rq=1&ev=zi&split=1&radius=0.03&hq=amazon,+inc&hnear=&ll=47.597516,-122.32766&spn=0,0.000909&z=20&layer=c&cbll=47.597516,-122.32766&panoid=B0WO1Z9abJJOt3e1x470Cw&cbp=12,270,,0,5 |
| 19:54.24 | mindjuju | i'm speechless |
| 19:54.45 | mindjuju | and not even the large puddle, it's the small puddle NEXT to the large |
| 19:55.22 | DexterTheDragon | amazon lives in the cloud |
| 19:57.56 | romanovic | haha |
| 19:59.03 | romanovic | well it turns out the failed downloads are downloading now, after deleting amazon's temporary files in the target directory |
| 19:59.20 | mindjuju | i'm going to go see about some eats, i have a math final tonight |
| 20:01.05 | romanovic | wow, already finals week |
| 20:01.11 | romanovic | this semester has gone so fast |
| 20:13.06 | mindjuju | same |
| 20:13.27 | mindjuju | math tnight and CS tomorrow and then i'm done |
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| 20:32.16 | ninnypants | hey guys any Idea what could be causing this error http://playmodernkids.com/dev/ this is lines 340 - 343 of that file http://pastebin.com/N7rKycdD |
| 20:33.04 | SunSparc | ninnypants: I am pretty sure it is a parse error. |
| 20:33.20 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 20:33.24 | SunSparc | Looking now... |
| 20:33.42 | ninnypants | thanks SunSparc I was having trouble with that ;) |
| 20:33.50 | SunSparc | heh |
| 20:33.56 | ninnypants | you never know with these error codes :) |
| 20:34.26 | SunSparc | Right |
| 20:35.18 | DexterTheDragon | ninnypants: whats the php version? |
| 20:35.42 | SunSparc | What if you removed "protected"? |
| 20:36.24 | SunSparc | Nothing is jumping out at me as being incorrect. |
| 20:36.44 | SunSparc | I wonder if previous lines have something wrong. |
| 20:37.26 | mindjuju | Ha ha! i TOTALLY called this, but truthfully, i thought it would have been the NSA, not the fbi - backdoor in openbsd?? - http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/121510-former-contractor-says-fbi-put.html |
| 20:37.40 | DexterTheDragon | I'm leaning towards it being php5 code trying to run on php4 |
| 20:39.09 | ninnypants | yeah it's 4.4.9 |
| 20:39.11 | mindjuju | @macnewbold^^ |
| 20:39.25 | mindjuju | was it openbsd or netbsd that you liked? |
| 20:40.02 | ninnypants | SunSparc: it was the protected. php5 trying to run in php4 |
| 20:40.41 | SunSparc | mindjuju: wow! |
| 20:40.44 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: "Perry said he sent the e-mail to de Raadt because his non-disclosure agreement with the FBI had expired." what kind of classified government NDA expires? |
| 20:41.00 | SunSparc | ninnypants: cool |
| 20:41.01 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: until they show actual code with a backdoor I don't buy it |
| 20:41.01 | mindjuju | well, it aint proven quite yet |
| 20:41.35 | mindjuju | but i find it hard to believe that the gov would allow a level of encryption that they couldn't break |
| 20:43.32 | mindjuju | sup eggyknap |
| 20:43.36 | eggyknap | O HAI |
| 20:44.37 | mindjuju | WOW! a red letter day! |
| 20:44.49 | mindjuju | EFF rox! |
| 20:44.50 | mindjuju | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-victory-appeals-court-holds |
| 20:44.58 | mindjuju | email protected by Fourth Amendment! |
| 20:45.31 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:45.40 | mindjuju | <ahem>not that it will stop them any way</ahem> |
| 20:46.33 | herlo | seems like a non-starter. I'm sure people will vet the code, but it sure seems like it's just trying to make people do work that has already been done... |
| 20:50.54 | mindjuju | ~non-starter herlo |
| 20:52.30 | romanovic | I can reveal all in 2080! w00t |
| 20:54.05 | jsmith | romanovic: If you can tell us that you have an NDA and that it expires, you don't have one :-p |
| 20:54.29 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:54.42 | herlo | mindjuju: not a non-starter, romanovic is involved :) |
| 20:55.21 | mindjuju | i still think that at minimum, jsmith is with the NSA, but more likely the CIA |
| 20:55.34 | mindjuju | a brain like his running around, too dangerous |
| 20:55.39 | herlo | I've seen several holes in the explanation on the email and from other conversations |
| 20:55.45 | jsmith | mindjuju: The only three-letter acronym I work for is the stock ticker symbol RHT |
| 20:55.56 | herlo | mindjuju: probably just DUM :) |
| 20:56.06 | mindjuju | lol |
| 20:56.24 | herlo | Department of Utter Madness |
| 20:56.25 | herlo | DUM |
| 20:56.39 | jsmith | herlo: Hey, just remember -- it's a good thing we don't get all the gov't we pay for! |
| 20:57.07 | herlo | jsmith: no, but they get twice for twice the price |
| 20:57.33 | mindjuju | that's funny jsmith |
| 20:58.32 | romanovic | i wish i did something so exciting |
| 20:58.52 | romanovic | haha |
| 20:58.56 | romanovic | i love that quote |
| 20:58.59 | herlo | me too |
| 20:59.17 | SunSparc | ~Contact++ |
| 20:59.26 | herlo | ~karma Contact |
| 20:59.26 | ibot | contact has karma of 2 |
| 20:59.32 | herlo | ~Contact++ |
| 21:00.07 | mindjuju | i just saw that again the other day from the villa home library |
| 21:00.19 | fungus | SunSparc, why wouldn't you want to use OpenBSD? This new development is another reason why OpenBSD and it's culture is so awesome. |
| 21:00.28 | fungus | The news immediately went public. |
| 21:00.46 | fungus | Do you think Apple would do the same? ;) |
| 21:00.50 | herlo | lol no |
| 21:00.58 | SunSparc | :) good call |
| 21:01.48 | SunSparc | I use FreeBSD for my web servers. |
| 21:01.52 | fungus | Theo (their leader) is an abrasive guy, but his is extremely honest and open. Even fanatical about security. |
| 21:02.02 | SunSparc | And of course, OS X has a bit of free/net BSD |
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| 21:11.20 | romanovic | is godaddy.com a good place to go for certs? I know the topic was brought up recently but I missed most of it |
| 21:12.20 | fungus | If you use godaddy for other services, using them for certs can simplify things a lot. |
| 21:12.22 | mindjuju | here is the outcome of that convo |
| 21:12.27 | mindjuju | fungus likes them |
| 21:12.31 | mindjuju | everybody else don'ts |
| 21:12.35 | SunSparc | romanovic: They are a popular place for certs, and the certs work. Though I am not a fan of GoDaddy. |
| 21:12.45 | mindjuju | see |
| 21:13.03 | fungus | I don't "like" them. I just don't dislike them. |
| 21:13.21 | romanovic | i got a domain thru them recently, and they offered certs along with it that seem a lot cheaper than other places |
| 21:13.34 | mindjuju | i disliked having to monkey around with chains and having to do a bunch of junk just to get the cert to work |
| 21:13.51 | SunSparc | My reasons are not really scientific. I don't like their marketing tactics, their UI is horrendous and their products are not top notch. |
| 21:13.52 | fungus | If you are ok with using an intermediate Cert. Godaddy is fine, otherwise you gotta pay more. |
| 21:14.08 | mindjuju | so think of it this way romanovic |
| 21:14.14 | SunSparc | As far as products go, you cannot find much cheaper. |
| 21:14.32 | mindjuju | if your brain is equal to or greater than fungus, then go for it, else, you'll be struggling |
| 21:14.33 | fungus | SunSparc, I like their marketing, and the management UI is fine. It's the sales side/UI that is horrifying |
| 21:14.48 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:15.39 | fungus | eh, Intermediate Certs aren't that hard. And most other "discount" SSL cert providers do the same thing. |
| 21:16.01 | mindjuju | ~wiki intermediate cert |
| 21:16.20 | mindjuju | right, and if wikipedia and ibot don't know... |
| 21:16.40 | fungus | at least they aren't hard w/ apache. They are annoying on IIS |
| 21:17.48 | SunSparc | Most other providers have intermediate certs recently anyway because browsers have not all caught up to the new encryption standards. |
| 21:17.48 | DexterTheDragon | isn't everything annoying on IIS |
| 21:17.57 | SunSparc | ~lart IIS |
| 21:17.57 | ibot | stuffs IIS into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 21:17.59 | fungus | Yes, yes it is |
| 21:18.05 | romanovic | thx all |
| 21:18.11 | romanovic | and yes |
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| 21:55.09 | carmony | i hate home improvement |
| 21:55.41 | SunSparc | I don't mind it, as long as it is someone else doing it. :) |
| 21:56.00 | SunSparc | I would rather pay someone to fix my house or just buy a new one. |
| 21:58.38 | carmony | well, we're getting a new furnace & a/c unit |
| 21:58.47 | carmony | since our furnace is from the 40s |
| 21:59.27 | carmony | turns out we need to drop an extra grand more to fix our elextrical |
| 21:59.36 | SunSparc | Sweet! |
| 21:59.43 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 22:00.01 | SunSparc | You might as well just buy a new house and move. |
| 22:01.10 | josephscott | carmony: have some nice places here in Sandy :-) |
| 22:01.14 | carmony | lol |
| 22:01.32 | josephscott | and they are less than 50 years old ;-) |
| 22:01.47 | mgeary | carmony: how much did you pay for the new furnace & AC? i've got a guy who gives me great deals |
| 22:01.59 | carmony | its a client of Joanna's, so its a good deal |
| 22:02.39 | carmony | just always fun to pay more money |
| 22:02.53 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 22:03.05 | SunSparc | When you could be spending it on something else. |
| 22:03.14 | carmony | like new Apple products |
| 22:03.15 | carmony | :P |
| 22:03.24 | SunSparc | My thoughts exactly. |
| 22:03.25 | mgeary | i just barely installed a new furnace & AC for $3200 out the door. Goodman brand, which reportedly has (one of?) the best warranties out there |
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| 22:07.54 | carmony | hrm... |
| 22:07.55 | carmony | ok |
| 22:08.06 | carmony | so I have an ubuntu 8.04 server |
| 22:08.12 | carmony | and I want to upgrade it to 10.04 |
| 22:08.50 | thebigdog | carmony: make sure you backup your data |
| 22:08.55 | carmony | yeah |
| 22:09.02 | carmony | I'm thinking I'm going to wait a bit |
| 22:10.17 | carmony | i mean, it looks like its pretty easy... |
| 22:10.22 | carmony | but I don't want to mess up |
| 22:10.22 | carmony | :P |
| 22:21.31 | mindjuju | just don't wait so long that you fall off the upgrade path |
| 22:21.39 | mindjuju | it's NOT fun |
| 22:24.10 | DexterTheDragon | I just do a clean install |
| 22:26.48 | thebigdog | i have a buddy at work that it never fails he jacks up the ubuntu upgrade |
| 22:26.53 | thebigdog | i have not idea how he does it |
| 22:28.39 | josephscott | I managed to upgrade an EC2 instance (not as wide a version difference though), went fine |
| 22:30.09 | mgeary | any heavy SOAP users here? |
| 22:30.38 | josephscott | I shower every day with soap |
| 22:32.10 | carmony | I use a ton of soap |
| 22:32.45 | carmony | mgeary: what do you need? :P |
| 22:33.18 | mgeary | trying to set up a test SOAP call to a service that I know other people are using, but it's not working for us |
| 22:35.00 | thebigdog | mgeary if you just want to make a soap call then use this soap client http://ditchnet.org/soapclient/ |
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| 22:40.25 | thebigdog | mgeary: is that what you are looking to do? |
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| 22:48.18 | mgeary | thebigdog: well, sort of |
| 22:48.25 | mgeary | just trying to figure out what's what here |
| 22:48.42 | mgeary | we've assumed responsibility for these webservices, and i don't really know much about them |
| 22:49.11 | thebigdog | the best way to become familiar with them is to use a client and then work them and see how they are working |
| 22:49.15 | mgeary | testing with that Soap client, it's able to parse the wsdl url, but i can't make any succesful calls. |
| 22:49.19 | herlo | lol - http://xkcd.com/830/ |
| 22:49.21 | thebigdog | ok |
| 22:49.24 | mgeary | crashes the client |
| 22:49.34 | thebigdog | there might be some other ones out there |
| 22:49.49 | thebigdog | i use soapsonar (but that is expensive) and then i use the one in eclipse |
| 22:49.56 | thebigdog | which is pretty decent |
| 22:51.41 | thebigdog | there might even be a couple for ff or safari or whatever browser you are using |
| 23:01.16 | mindjuju | so is LVM something you setup when you first install ubuntu, or is it something that can be installed at first or after install? |
| 23:01.31 | herlo | yes and yes |
| 23:02.05 | herlo | LVM is a great place to store your OS and personal data |
| 23:02.20 | mindjuju | that's what i've been reading |
| 23:02.34 | mindjuju | never tried it before, and i thought i'd experiment |
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| 23:07.27 | mindjuju | so herlo, if i understand right, when partitioning, I partition how I want things and leave the rest as open space to further partitition using LVM ? |
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| 23:09.22 | beandog | http://visualnews.columnfivemedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/6.jpg |
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| 23:13.20 | mgeary | i have GOT to update my wardrobe |
| 23:17.25 | SunSparc | Yes, I totally need to get one of those elephant ear collared shirts. |
| 23:19.29 | mindjuju | i prefer these |
| 23:19.30 | mindjuju | http://www.geekologie.com/2007/07/13/action-jeans.jpg |
| 23:20.05 | mgeary | ~chuckfact |
| 23:20.05 | ibot | Chuck Norris hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush |
| 23:20.12 | mindjuju | an man wearing a pair of Chuck Pants, will have everybody look at him longingly like that lady |
| 23:20.17 | mindjuju | men, women dogs alike! |
| 23:20.57 | josephscott | if I ~lart chuck norris will the universe implode? |
| 23:20.59 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:21.13 | SunSparc | If only I could kick like Chuck. |
| 23:21.14 | mindjuju | yeah, pretty much |
| 23:22.27 | josephscott | double dog dare me? |
| 23:22.33 | mgeary | with a cherry on top |
| 23:22.41 | josephscott | ~lart chuck norris |
| 23:22.41 | ibot | beats chuck norris to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 23:22.57 | josephscott | no! it can't be, ibot is more powerful than chuck! |
| 23:23.20 | mindjuju | larting chuck norris is like putting google as the search term in google, you'll break the internet |
| 23:23.46 | josephscott | ~chuck ibot |
| 23:24.34 | mindjuju | here is the proof about googling google - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrQUWUfmR_I |
| 23:24.56 | mindjuju | so don't do it! |
| 23:27.39 | josephscott | classic |
| 23:28.17 | mindjuju | :) |
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