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| 13:50.14 | carmony | aaaaarg |
| 14:00.57 | carmony | hrm, I need some fungus help :P |
| 14:22.20 | jsmith | carmony: What do you need help w/? |
| 14:22.38 | carmony | jsmith: trying to debug dovecot why its failing an auth |
| 14:23.00 | jsmith | Gotcha |
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| 15:16.37 | carmony | I got it working, more or less |
| 15:40.19 | carmony | you watching DexterTheDragon ? http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php |
| 15:40.26 | carmony | live rocket launch |
| 15:42.12 | carmony | T-1:00 |
| 15:42.13 | carmony | :P |
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| 16:26.45 | carmony | bah, I'm tired |
| 16:26.51 | mgeary | ~tired carmony |
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| 16:37.32 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: no, that was way too early |
| 16:37.44 | carmony | it was cool to watch |
| 16:37.50 | carmony | though I was up at 4:30 this morning |
| 16:37.54 | carmony | with stomach pains |
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| 16:48.46 | mgeary | a long article, but a very good one: http://reason.com/archives/2010/12/07/the-war-on-cameras/ |
| 16:57.30 | mindjuju | @mgeary, i like this one better - http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-seeks-end-prosecutions-recording-public-conversations-police |
| 16:57.56 | mgeary | yeah, that's referenced in the article i posted |
| 16:58.25 | mindjuju | holy smokes! i just realized when you posted your last comment, that there are 4 pages |
| 16:58.29 | mindjuju | i just read the bottom of page 1 |
| 16:58.30 | mgeary | 5 |
| 16:58.35 | mindjuju | wow |
| 16:58.41 | mgeary | "a long article..." ^^ |
| 16:59.18 | mindjuju | i'll have to save this for lunch time |
| 16:59.25 | mindjuju | but i did read first page |
| 17:00.54 | mgeary | Utah is a one-party notification state, so i imagine it'd be very difficult to make charges stick on that kind of stuff here |
| 17:01.48 | mindjuju | i'm just going to make a shirt that says, our conversation may be recorded for quality training |
| 17:01.54 | mindjuju | or whatever that boilerplate says |
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| 17:08.07 | SunSparc | mindjuju: lol |
| 17:08.17 | josephscott | so if a security camera in Maine records a cop, then it a law has been violated? |
| 17:08.21 | josephscott | very odd |
| 17:08.38 | mindjuju | what's good for the goose is good for the gander |
| 17:08.44 | mindjuju | they record me, i records them! |
| 17:09.09 | mgeary | hey folks, i got asked this by a client. I'm not aware of any solutions, but maybe there are some Windows-only tricks:: "is it possible to drag the http://www.mymusicrx.org/ link to my desktop, such that the <custom> icon is what appears?" |
| 17:09.20 | SunSparc | Wow, I actually agree with something the ACLU is doing. I thought I would never see the day. |
| 17:09.36 | josephscott | mgeary: I think IE9 does something like that |
| 17:10.07 | josephscott | mgeary: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/thebeebs/archive/2010/09/16/how-to-add-ie9-beta-pinning-to-you-website.aspx |
| 17:10.52 | mindjuju | @sunsparc, hilarious! |
| 17:10.58 | mgeary | josephscott: thanks. I'll see if that's what they meant |
| 17:11.21 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:13.48 | josephscott | I don't mind the ACLU, and even agree with them sometimes. But lets face it, most people don't even agree with their spouse all the time, why would they expect to agree with a nation wide 3rd party entity all the time? |
| 17:14.52 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:15.12 | SunSparc | I like this quote: âMy civil rights are supposed to protect me from the government. When a police officer is on the job, heâs part of the government. So [Pasco] is trying to say the government has civil rights to protect it from the people? That doesnât make any sense to me.â |
| 17:15.42 | mgeary | i most liked the sensible judges quote: |
| 17:16.11 | mgeary | The double standard is also apparent in the case of Anthony Graber, the Maryland motorcyclist who posted video of the state trooper who pulled him over. In September, Harford County Circuit Court Judge Emory Plitt Jr. dismissed the wiretapping charges against Graber in an opinion that could have come straight from the ACLU. âThose of us who are public officials and are entrusted with the power of the state are ultimately accountable to the public,â Plitt wr |
| 17:16.12 | mgeary | âWhen we exercise that power in public fora, we should not expect our actions to be shielded from public observation. âSed quis custodiet ipsos cutodesâ (âWho watches the watchmen?â).â |
| 17:18.34 | SunSparc | If the government (and that includes police) are not accountable to the people, it changes the whole system from a democratic republic into something more akin to tyrannical dictatorship. |
| 17:25.02 | mindjuju | @sunsparc, does that go as far as wikileaks? |
| 17:25.14 | mindjuju | in related news, MasterCard got spanked by Anonymous - http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/avenging-wikileaks-anonymous-hackers-takes-mastercard-site/ |
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| 17:30.37 | mindjuju | i wonder what the response will be, disabling a financial institution even for a limited time..., this event could be a catalyst for some kind of regulation |
| 17:30.53 | josephscott | "Jim Pasco, executive director of the national Fraternal Order of Police, says he sees no problem with arresting people who photograph or record on-duty cops. Pasco says his main concern is that activists will tamper with videos or use clips out of context to make police officers look bad." |
| 17:31.10 | mgeary | yeah, Mr. Pasco comes off as a real hero in the article |
| 17:31.15 | josephscott | I guess he doesn't realize that by arresting them he is causing them to look bad |
| 17:31.41 | mgeary | when asked if a 75-year sentence seemed reasonable for recording an officer, he basically says yes |
| 17:31.48 | mgeary | that's just super |
| 17:31.51 | josephscott | are bank security cameras automatically turned off when the police enter the building? if not, are they committing a crime? |
| 17:31.52 | mgeary | way to go, Him |
| 17:31.54 | mgeary | Jim* |
| 17:33.46 | josephscott | " McCarren won a settlement, but she was never able to obtain video of the incident. Prince Georgeâs County officials say all seven dashboard cameras in the police cruisers coincidentally malfunctioned." |
| 17:34.00 | mindjuju | love it |
| 17:34.03 | mgeary | yeah, i love that |
| 17:34.03 | josephscott | all 7 cameras died at the same time, right |
| 17:34.17 | mgeary | must have been a localized EMP |
| 17:34.32 | mgeary | how does a judge let that go by? |
| 17:34.47 | SunSparc | mindjuju: are you asking me if wikileaks is being tyrannical? |
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| 17:34.53 | josephscott | âIâll bet you canât name 10 incidents where a citizen video has shown a police officer to have lied on a police report.â |
| 17:35.10 | josephscott | oh man, this guy doesn't just drink the kool-aid, he sells it too |
| 17:35.54 | mindjuju | @sunsparc, was asking on government accountability |
| 17:36.24 | josephscott | gah, who is this Pasco guy, can we fire him? |
| 17:37.43 | SunSparc | josephscott: seriously |
| 17:38.41 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I am still reading the article, but it sounds vigilante, which in some cases could be justified. |
| 17:39.55 | mgeary | for all the customers who want us to rebuild Facebook, i wish even half of them had the funding that Facebook has.... |
| 17:40.09 | SunSparc | Though vigilanteism should not be the norm. If they people are out of control, they are affecting the freedoms and rights of others, which is cause for official intervention. |
| 17:40.23 | SunSparc | mgeary: lol |
| 17:41.23 | SunSparc | "Can you build me a search engine like Google for my site? And keep it under $5000, but make the search engine even better than Google's." |
| 17:44.34 | josephscott | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jim-pasco/21/4bb/a87 |
| 17:45.07 | mgeary | one connection, eh? |
| 17:45.55 | mindjuju | wow, this is really amazing about mastercard, website down, infrastructure down |
| 17:46.04 | mindjuju | this is play by play, VERY interesting - http://pandalabs.pandasecurity.com/tis-the-season-of-ddos-wikileaks-editio/ |
| 17:48.47 | SunSparc | What is with all the "hating on" (lol) wikileaks? |
| 17:49.42 | josephscott | I love the politicians calling for him to be charged with treason, against who? Australia? |
| 17:49.49 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:51.24 | mgeary | what's interesting to me is clearly how little actual voting power the majority of these apparently verbal internet protesters seem to have. Outrage on the internet seems to equate to a very marginal impact in voting booths |
| 17:51.43 | josephscott | mgeary: your a python guy, any idea why so many python folks require/demand 4 spaces instead of tabs? |
| 17:51.49 | mgeary | heh |
| 17:52.00 | mgeary | josephscott: i thought we tried to keep religion out of the channel ;) |
| 17:52.30 | mgeary | i'm a tab supporter. After all, i reason, a tab is a single byte, whereas 4 spaces are 4 bytes |
| 17:52.48 | mgeary | so it's hard for me to represent the views of the "other guys" |
| 17:53.03 | mgeary | i think it's just because that's how they're used to doing it |
| 17:53.17 | josephscott | ok, I'm generally a tab fan as well, wasn't sure why so many python folks fought that |
| 17:55.32 | josephscott | someone call up Pete, perhaps xmission will host it :-) |
| 17:55.35 | SunSparc | josephscott, mgeary: yeah as far as I understand it, and my own experience, it is whatever you are first taught/learn that you tend to want to stick with. |
| 17:55.46 | SunSparc | josephscott: Oooh, good call |
| 17:56.12 | mindjuju | here is the form if you're interested http://wikileaks.ch/mass-mirror.html |
| 17:56.24 | mindjuju | and current list of mirrors |
| 17:56.25 | mindjuju | http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html |
| 17:57.35 | josephscott | now that mindjuju has taken a mental picture of the site the cops will come knocking :-) |
| 17:57.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:58.26 | josephscott | and we know how the cops feel about taking pictures |
| 17:58.31 | mindjuju | i've downloaded that low orbit ion canon a while ago, VERY interesting |
| 17:59.08 | josephscott | for reference, utah laws - |
| 17:59.09 | josephscott | http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=13492 |
| 17:59.14 | josephscott | http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE77/htm/77_23a000400.htm |
| 18:00.17 | mindjuju | @sunsparc, he's in #UTOS if you want to PM him on it |
| 18:00.28 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 18:01.31 | josephscott | 7A -"A person acting under color of law may intercept a wire, electronic, or oral communication if that person is a party to the communication or one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to the interception." |
| 18:02.20 | SunSparc | Wow Pete really makes himself accessible. |
| 18:02.46 | mindjuju | Pete rocks |
| 18:03.01 | mindjuju | ~pashdown++ |
| 18:03.07 | SunSparc | Whoa! He has a steam id: http://steamcommunity.com/id/xmpoobah |
| 18:03.17 | SunSparc | Awesome |
| 18:03.25 | SunSparc | "I like video games." |
| 18:03.32 | mindjuju | that's funny |
| 18:04.57 | SunSparc | Lol, this is awesome: http://peteashdown.org/journal/2010/09/29/someone-threw-litter-in-my-yard/ |
| 18:05.30 | SunSparc | That would be interesting to see how Qwest responded if 100s of people did that. |
| 18:06.44 | mindjuju | how interesting, i didn't realize it associated my nick with my playing identity http://steamcommunity.com/id/mindjuju |
| 18:07.19 | mindjuju | that's funny, i haven't been on that server in a LONG time |
| 18:07.37 | josephscott | for the geek who has everything - http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/collectibles/e1e0/?cpg=fbedm |
| 18:40.21 | mgeary | THIRTEEN bucks?!! |
| 18:40.43 | mgeary | for a block of plastic? |
| 18:40.49 | mgeary | i'm in the wrong business |
| 18:42.35 | SunSparc | Heh, yeah I've seen that. I think it is awesome, but I have no plans to buy it. |
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| 18:55.12 | romanovic | haha |
| 18:56.30 | romanovic | thousands of people in there... |
| 18:57.06 | romanovic | messages scrolling by at about 1 irssi screenful per second |
| 18:57.46 | mgeary | romanovic: have you been told you're forbidden from visiting wikileaks? I've got some family of friends who work for defense contractors. They've been told they'll be fired if they goto wikileaks while at work |
| 18:58.23 | romanovic | no word from official channels that i've heard... |
| 18:59.05 | romanovic | though i was on leave when all this started so i didn't see everybody's first reactions |
| 18:59.36 | mgeary | where do you go when you're on leave? |
| 18:59.50 | SunSparc | That's top secret |
| 19:00.01 | romanovic | nope. I went to Utah :) |
| 19:00.05 | mgeary | nice |
| 19:05.31 | romanovic | wow... buncha new people showing up in the channel, "whats the target? whats the target?" |
| 19:05.39 | romanovic | "stay on mastercard.com" |
| 19:06.11 | mgeary | "stay on target" |
| 19:06.13 | mgeary | "stay on target" |
| 19:08.53 | romanovic | heheh |
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| 19:09.31 | romanovic | furthering that reference/analogy, in this case i wholeheartedly want the empire to win |
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| 19:12.00 | romanovic | take out the rebel ddos-ers |
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| 20:26.28 | josephscott | grrr, lovely that MySQL just ignores an index |
| 20:27.27 | jsmith | josephscott: Even better is when you do JOINs, and it only uses at max one index per query :-( |
| 20:29.25 | josephscott | yeah, makes deciding on single indexes or compound indexes interesting |
| 20:31.39 | jsmith | josephscott: "interesting" is one way to put it -- I call it "painful" |
| 20:31.45 | josephscott | :-) |
| 20:32.01 | carmony | lol |
| 20:33.51 | josephscott | *cough* postgresql *cough* |
| 20:37.09 | jsmith | josephscott: No need to convince me -- I've been a postgresql junkie for eight years now |
| 20:37.10 | josephscott | jsmith: just to make it more "interesting" mysql can, sometimes, use multiple indexes in a query - http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/index-merge-optimization.html |
| 20:37.20 | jsmith | josephscott: It's about time :-p |
| 20:37.52 | josephscott | where sometimes is determined by the color of your cat, the position of mars and the day of the week |
| 20:38.09 | jsmith | josephscott: Now you're gonna convince me that it'll do sub-selects, enforced foreign keys, and not mess up math with dates and times... |
| 20:38.32 | josephscott | how about 2 out of 3 ;-) |
| 20:39.46 | josephscott | I'm sure somewhere 0000-00-00 is a perfectly valid date |
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| 20:42.02 | jsmith | So is February 31st :-p |
| 20:42.06 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 22:03.00 | josephscott | beware of the salt barns, hot bed of terrorist activity - http://www.nj.com/news/local/index.ssf/2010/12/aclu_sues_state_for_keeping_hu.html |
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| 22:37.16 | mindjuju | with all the stuff wikileaks leaked out, why couldn't they have leaked tron legacy spoilers? i've got the soundtrack, don't think i'll survive until the movie :( |
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| 22:47.48 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:48.00 | SunSparc | mindjuju: do you have your ticket already? |
| 22:48.04 | DexterTheDragon | anyone going to see Narnia? |
| 22:52.25 | mindjuju | @sunsparc, haven't yet, really focused in on finish up class / finals |
| 22:52.38 | mindjuju | then i'll prolly take a day off and rest and setup for tron, etc |
| 22:52.51 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:53.16 | mindjuju | @DtD, nothing exists right now except tron legacy (after school work considerations that is) |
| 22:53.24 | SunSparc | Then I'll give you some spoilers since I am seeing it next week. |
| 22:53.28 | mindjuju | though after i buy my ticket, i think i'll see about seeing inception |
| 22:53.32 | mindjuju | i've heard good things |
| 22:53.44 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Inception was awesome. |
| 22:54.16 | mindjuju | yeah, that's what i hear, "matrix, but in a different way" is the standard descriptive line i hear from everybody |
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| 22:58.19 | beandog | ninnypants, happy bday! |
| 22:58.24 | beandog | have a bowl of cold oatmeal |
| 23:00.19 | mindjuju | orsonj, for what dya? |
| 23:04.10 | orsonj | friday night |
| 23:04.38 | orsonj | Up here in the sticks, they aren't sold out yet. |
| 23:06.23 | herlo | orsonj: where's here? |
| 23:06.33 | orsonj | Logan |
| 23:06.52 | herlo | oh, well that *is* the sticks :) |
| 23:08.38 | ninnypants | beandog: thanks! |
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| 23:19.30 | thebigdog | i think that it is awesome that i have twitter followers that are porn accounts...that just makes me feel all special |
| 23:20.04 | beandog | that or thebigdog leads a double life that we don't want to know anything about |
| 23:20.23 | thebigdog | that was back in the day...i'm a changed man i tell ya! |
| 23:32.13 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: did you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VygftZSCs&hd=1 |
| 23:33.21 | SunSparc | Nope. Thanks. Wow, 45 minutes. Looks like good evening viewing. |
| 23:33.45 | DexterTheDragon | its absolutely stunning |
| 23:37.15 | mindjuju | @sunsparc, i'm guessing that "stunning" is some kind of event involving flatulence ?. |
| 23:37.27 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:37.44 | SunSparc | ~stunning |
| 23:37.51 | mindjuju | ~stun sunsparc |
| 23:38.03 | SunSparc | ~Tron mindjuju |
| 23:38.05 | mindjuju | ~poo sunsparc |
| 23:38.05 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at sunsparc |
| 23:38.16 | DexterTheDragon | ~tazer mindjuju |
| 23:38.17 | SunSparc | ~shield me |
| 23:38.26 | mindjuju | don't taze me bro! |
| 23:38.44 | SunSparc | Tazes can be quit stunning. |
| 23:39.12 | beandog | the unstun has begun |
| 23:47.24 | josephscott | party tricks http://devour.com/video/ten-science-stunts/ |
| 23:52.25 | beandog | thats cool |
| 23:52.31 | beandog | now I just need friends to show them off to |
| 23:53.40 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q_TuDxY5pI |
| 23:54.47 | beandog | youtube to the rescue |
| 23:56.06 | mindjuju | so that's what i've been doing wrong |
| 23:57.40 | mindjuju | interesting - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9eT1EBq0ls |
| 23:57.47 | josephscott | little Napoleon dynamite going there. |
| 23:58.02 | mindjuju | more how to ala beandog |
| 23:58.44 | beandog | lol |
| 23:58.58 | josephscott | that is so wrong |
| 23:59.05 | josephscott | cheerleading |
| 23:59.57 | beandog | wait |
| 23:59.59 | beandog | what is that t-shirt? |