| 00:00.20 | beandog | microkernel? |
| 00:00.24 | beandog | your mom uses hurd |
| 00:01.56 | DexterTheDragon | your mom uses Minix |
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| 00:03.14 | beandog | your mom wrote UNIX |
| 00:04.17 | fungus | your mom wrote Windows |
| 00:04.30 | beandog | lol |
| 00:04.33 | beandog | fungus wins |
| 00:09.21 | influx | writing up a campaign for D&D |
| 00:09.42 | influx | XD |
| 00:09.56 | beandog | influx, you play d&d? |
| 00:10.05 | influx | Yeah. 3.5 |
| 00:10.23 | beandog | can I pay? |
| 00:10.23 | beandog | er |
| 00:10.25 | beandog | play |
| 00:11.03 | influx | We have a spot, yeah. :) We're playing on IRC and start tonight. |
| 00:11.15 | beandog | influx, ah right on |
| 00:11.22 | beandog | influx, mind if I sit in and watch at least |
| 00:11.34 | influx | I'm capping it at six people, since it'll be my first time as DM. One of the people won't be available until next week, but I already figured out a way to work him in later. |
| 00:11.40 | influx | I don't mind at all. |
| 00:11.57 | beandog | influx, right on. wheres it, what time, etc |
| 00:12.14 | influx | We start at 8PM Mountain on EfNet, channel #idgaf |
| 00:12.20 | beandog | good ol efnet |
| 00:12.24 | beandog | influx, kk thx |
| 00:12.24 | influx | ya |
| 00:12.26 | influx | np |
| 00:12.32 | carmony_ | so, I was thinkin, uphpu should get together sometime during Dec just to do dinner :P |
| 00:12.45 | influx | Sounds good to me. |
| 00:12.52 | beandog | carmony_, great, I'll be over in an hour |
| 00:12.56 | carmony_ | LOL |
| 00:13.05 | beandog | steak and potatoes plz |
| 00:13.06 | carmony_ | You want to have top romine with me? |
| 00:13.07 | carmony_ | :P |
| 00:24.01 | beandog | http://www.mentalfloss.com/quiz/quiz.php?q=837&p=1 |
| 00:25.43 | beandog | doh, 70% |
| 00:29.20 | beandog | http://mentalfloss.com/quiz/quiz.php?q=326 |
| 00:29.25 | beandog | 90% on that seinfeld quiz tho |
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| 17:07.23 | SunSparc | woot! |
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| 17:10.28 | herlo | SunSparc: nice |
| 17:11.00 | orsonj | Thanks for the reminder. I need to get mine. |
| 17:11.08 | herlo | an 'e', Pat |
| 17:11.11 | SunSparc | Nor I. It was sold out. I am going Friday night. |
| 17:11.27 | herlo | SunSparc: well, I'm probably not going until Saturday |
| 17:11.30 | josephscott | I don't think we are going until Sat. night |
| 17:11.40 | josephscott | multiple things came up on Friday |
| 17:11.51 | orsonj | I'm hoping to go friday night. |
| 17:12.03 | SunSparc | I am sure it will be just as good on Saturday as it will be on Friday. :) |
| 17:12.25 | SunSparc | Get your tickets now, even the Friday night showings are filling up. |
| 17:12.34 | SunSparc | https://www.megaplextheatres.com/showtimes/checkout/previewreserved.php?date=12172010&feature=10002040&perf=73039&th_code=0 |
| 17:12.56 | SunSparc | Two weeks away. |
| 17:13.52 | josephscott | some tr2n interviews on techcrunch recently |
| 17:14.02 | josephscott | really, really hoping this movie doesn't stink |
| 17:19.50 | SunSparc | josephscott: amen |
| 17:20.04 | SunSparc | Did you see the Green Lantern trailer? |
| 17:21.59 | josephscott | yep, looks like they are following the regular story, which is nice |
| 17:22.18 | josephscott | but it left me unsure as to a stinky level |
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| 17:23.03 | beandog | monin |
| 17:23.15 | SunSparc | Yeah, it seemed like they were trying to throw a bit of awkward comedy into it. Not sure how that will work. |
| 17:23.27 | SunSparc | ~morning beandog |
| 17:23.27 | ibot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping beandog in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 17:23.28 | wps | lame, lame, lame |
| 17:23.39 | wps | even though Inception was released this week, RedBox won't get it for a month |
| 17:23.42 | beandog | hows it |
| 17:24.01 | beandog | wps, thats because studios want to drive up piracy |
| 17:24.08 | wps | indeed |
| 17:24.12 | beandog | its the new magical mystical delivery method. |
| 17:24.21 | josephscott | good grief we've become spoiled |
| 17:24.37 | josephscott | I remember having wait months (year) for movies to come out on tape |
| 17:25.08 | mindjuju | we used to run a video store in Houston back before people had VCRs (we used to rent those in supuer hevy duty cases) |
| 17:25.08 | beandog | I prefer to think of it as a unreasonable business model. |
| 17:25.16 | mindjuju | it took YEARS for Star Wars to come out |
| 17:25.17 | josephscott | and we have to walk barefoot, uphill (both ways) in the snow to get to the video store ;-) |
| 17:26.05 | unum | maybe it was actually amazing back when it was in theaters.... |
| 17:26.27 | beandog | wps, dont worry man, once blockbuster goes out of business, they'll go back to having it on redbox faster |
| 17:26.29 | mindjuju | well, you'll get your chance again when they do star wars : 3d! |
| 17:26.37 | beandog | mindjuju, I so cant wait |
| 17:26.38 | beandog | :D |
| 17:26.40 | unum | I didn't watch starwars until 1997, not quite sure what all the hype is about |
| 17:26.51 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:26.55 | mindjuju | i think if they're going to do star wars in 3d, they should do UHF in 3d |
| 17:27.03 | mindjuju | badgers, we don't need no stinking badgers! |
| 17:27.05 | beandog | we got it all on UHF! |
| 17:27.07 | josephscott | unum: you were 2 decades late :-) |
| 17:27.08 | unum | now THAT'S a good movie |
| 17:27.20 | beandog | Today, we're going to see if poodles can fly! |
| 17:27.30 | josephscott | I've got UHF on DVD, fun movie |
| 17:27.30 | SunSparc | Badgers!!! |
| 17:27.34 | beandog | supplies! |
| 17:27.39 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:27.41 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx6TBrfCW54 |
| 17:27.42 | unum | when I take geek tests, I do pretty well on the computer knowledge part, not so well on the culture part |
| 17:27.48 | beandog | spatula city! |
| 17:27.54 | josephscott | you get to drink from the fire hose! |
| 17:27.57 | unum | I've played D&D for a total of 5 minutes |
| 17:28.08 | beandog | don't you know the dewey decimal system? |
| 17:28.11 | josephscott | we sell spatulas, and that's all! |
| 17:28.22 | unum | I prefer not to watch any startrek movies(next generation episodes or ok) |
| 17:28.31 | beandog | And nothing says I love you, like a new spatula |
| 17:28.42 | beandog | man I could quote that movie all day. |
| 17:28.49 | beandog | someone please stop me. |
| 17:28.55 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XbCWmY0eqY&feature=related |
| 17:29.02 | mindjuju | Wheel of Fish! |
| 17:29.07 | beandog | guns don't kill people. I do. |
| 17:29.15 | unum | I loke the out takes |
| 17:29.18 | unum | love |
| 17:29.27 | unum | the guy with the buzz saw |
| 17:29.31 | josephscott | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb8C7dxTGRM&feature=related |
| 17:29.32 | unum | take the box!!! |
| 17:29.35 | unum | take the fish!!! |
| 17:29.54 | josephscott | so stuppppppid! |
| 17:29.57 | beandog | coming to you live, from my apartment! |
| 17:30.10 | unum | twinkie wiener sandwhich!!! |
| 17:30.11 | josephscott | nature's suction cup! |
| 17:30.19 | beandog | lol |
| 17:30.36 | unum | for the longest time I would make references to spatula city, but couldn't remember where it was from |
| 17:30.48 | mindjuju | i forgot about nature's suction cup, that's awesome! |
| 17:30.58 | beandog | its time for uncle nutsy's clubhouse! |
| 17:31.30 | josephscott | sometimes it takes them a little while to learn how to do it right |
| 17:31.59 | josephscott | oh man, we've got to stop, I'll never get anything done today |
| 17:32.23 | mindjuju | i'd going to have to pull out the VHS so i can watch it when i get home |
| 17:32.27 | josephscott | my mopppppp! |
| 17:32.50 | josephscott | hulu only has clips :-( |
| 17:32.50 | beandog | mindjuju, vhs? |
| 17:32.57 | josephscott | ok, kids lets go! |
| 17:33.00 | josephscott | http://movieclips.com/9pAhC-uhf-movie-spatula-city-commercial/ |
| 17:33.09 | josephscott | no money down! |
| 17:33.09 | beandog | Big Edna. pfft. |
| 17:33.13 | mindjuju | yeah, i don't have it on DVD |
| 17:33.21 | beandog | mindjuju, whut? |
| 17:33.25 | beandog | ~upgrade mindjuju |
| 17:33.43 | unum | mindjuju: you need the dvd it has the deleted scenes |
| 17:33.48 | beandog | What is this crap? I said I wanted a rolex! a rolex!! |
| 17:33.51 | josephscott | next valentine's day I'm getting my wife a spatula |
| 17:33.52 | mindjuju | deleted scenes? |
| 17:33.52 | unum | "who wants to see me in a love scene?" |
| 17:33.55 | mindjuju | there's more? |
| 17:34.05 | unum | yes |
| 17:34.29 | beandog | Cuz sometimes, life is like a mop |
| 17:34.49 | beandog | mindjuju, yah theres some decent stuff on the dvd |
| 17:35.03 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9W-smdTVjA |
| 17:35.16 | beandog | he's back. and this time, he's pissed |
| 17:35.16 | josephscott | http://movieclips.com/Tixjf-uhf-movie-conan-the-librarian/ |
| 17:35.19 | beandog | Gandhi 2! |
| 17:35.19 | unum | http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/55831010 |
| 17:35.29 | unum | in my favorite deleted scene |
| 17:35.36 | beandog | You make me sick! |
| 17:35.41 | beandog | Town Talk is the best. |
| 17:35.51 | unum | doh |
| 17:35.53 | unum | nm |
| 17:35.58 | unum | they ruined it |
| 17:36.25 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdw1ZK585RU |
| 17:36.31 | beandog | he starts where others stop! |
| 17:37.05 | mindjuju | here is the original badges scene that everybody quotes from - #trivia - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ |
| 17:37.25 | beandog | gimme a steak. medium rare. |
| 17:38.33 | beandog | I totally wanna see someone make Gandhi II now. |
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| 17:40.54 | wps | thanks for the link to Spatula City |
| 17:41.23 | wps | that was a nice trip down memory lane |
| 17:42.00 | mindjuju | @beandog, did you see that everybody on FB is putting cartoons for profile pics child abuse awareness |
| 17:42.08 | beandog | we aim to please |
| 17:42.19 | beandog | mindjuju, no? |
| 17:42.22 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 17:42.31 | beandog | so now we're supposed to associate kids cartoons with child abuse? wth? |
| 17:42.39 | mindjuju | my wife's cousin has rainbow bright |
| 17:42.58 | beandog | that makes as much sense as associating yogurt with breast cancer. |
| 17:43.40 | josephscott | and the TSA is doing their part, by making a game out of being touched so that kids are more likely to cooperate with them |
| 17:43.52 | beandog | slacktivism-- |
| 17:44.07 | mindjuju | i grew my beard out for movember prostate awareness |
| 17:44.07 | josephscott | ~TSA-- |
| 17:44.08 | beandog | "Lets get all worked up about something ... but not do anything" |
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| 17:44.23 | beandog | mindjuju, what would be really helpful is PSA on kids cartoons like we had growing up. |
| 17:44.29 | beandog | *PSAs |
| 17:44.34 | mindjuju | like Mr. Yuck? |
| 17:44.39 | beandog | mr. yuck? |
| 17:44.49 | beandog | I was thinking GI Joe, actually |
| 17:44.53 | mindjuju | you don't know mr. yuck? |
| 17:44.57 | beandog | mindjuju, no |
| 17:45.00 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLsONa3gKIQ |
| 17:45.05 | mindjuju | you MISSED out |
| 17:45.18 | beandog | wc |
| 17:45.21 | beandog | wow. |
| 17:45.25 | beandog | trippy |
| 17:45.58 | beandog | Holy crap. |
| 17:46.10 | beandog | This would have scared the pants off of me as a kid |
| 17:46.19 | mindjuju | then they handed out the stickers to parents to put on household chemicals |
| 17:46.21 | mindjuju | and stuff |
| 17:46.33 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjnKzIU-obI&feature=related |
| 17:46.38 | beandog | I totally remember this one airing all the time |
| 17:47.03 | mindjuju | yeah, me too |
| 17:47.09 | josephscott | this I remember http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjnKzIU-obI&feature=related |
| 17:47.19 | josephscott | hehe, yeah |
| 17:48.46 | mindjuju | no way! Star Wars : Friends don't let friends driv e drunk commercial! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsSIpDK16c4 |
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| 17:50.34 | josephscott | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWQgktBR6-w&feature=related |
| 17:50.35 | mindjuju | now i know what my childhood missed - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe3TWZ_3qRg |
| 17:50.39 | beandog | mindjuju, wow thats awesome |
| 17:50.43 | josephscott | star wars smooking |
| 17:51.26 | beandog | wow |
| 17:51.33 | beandog | thats awesome |
| 17:51.40 | beandog | now I want some cereal |
| 17:51.51 | beandog | ooh mindjuju Pac-Man series is coming to DVD |
| 17:51.51 | beandog | :D |
| 17:51.57 | josephscott | not sure what to think of this |
| 17:51.58 | josephscott | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agT2GVNQjao&feature=related |
| 17:52.07 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jQkBiU_2rg&NR=1 |
| 17:52.08 | beandog | Oh wow |
| 17:52.21 | beandog | I remember being totally embarrassed by this one as a kid |
| 17:52.58 | beandog | makes me think of kids incorporated |
| 17:53.01 | beandog | a truly terrible show |
| 17:53.13 | josephscott | fan star wars commercial - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6BHD0myL14&feature=related |
| 17:53.26 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnsHpPNltBw |
| 17:57.35 | beandog | mindjuju, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yuC0r79Cjk&feature=related |
| 17:57.39 | beandog | thats cool sfx |
| 18:05.53 | SunSparc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIzPF3BfpQ |
| 18:05.58 | SunSparc | Merry Christmas |
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| 18:31.56 | mindjuju | one of these days i'm going to have to slow down enough to start researching net neutrality, i really want to understand all the points better |
| 18:32.55 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: all you need to understand is that the tubes are clogged |
| 18:46.43 | beandog | net neutrality is just a new racket to make money |
| 18:46.50 | beandog | "Gee, it'd be a shame if people couldn't connect to your site ..." |
| 18:47.13 | orsonj | Internet insurance |
| 18:47.36 | beandog | I got my Amazon Web Services bill for this month |
| 18:47.38 | beandog | 91 cents. |
| 18:47.40 | beandog | I love S3 |
| 18:47.41 | beandog | :D |
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| 19:14.28 | orsonj | I think I might get one or two of these: http://content.miccastore.com/micca-mplay |
| 19:15.41 | orsonj | $30 on amazon |
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| 21:13.31 | wps | learned something today |
| 21:13.53 | wps | don't put your domain in the destination list for postfix if the box isn't the mail server |
| 21:14.33 | wps | my client's going to be happy to finally get mail from their website |
| 21:16.44 | wps | and if anyone is shopping around for hosting, I'll give another compliment to Rackspace CloudServerâI have been very pleased |
| 21:22.30 | SunSparc | wps: What features are you enjoying at Rackspace? |
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| 21:23.47 | wps | full access and control to the serverâ¦Â from installing the OS on up |
| 21:23.54 | wps | automatic daily and weekly snapshots |
| 21:24.36 | wps | you can spin up a new server in minutes (new or clone) |
| 21:25.10 | wps | you can change the size/power of the server on the fly |
| 21:25.27 | wps | great price |
| 21:25.33 | SunSparc | you mean cpu/ram/diskspace? |
| 21:25.37 | wps | yeah |
| 21:25.42 | wps | and you only pay for what you use |
| 21:25.43 | SunSparc | On the fly? |
| 21:25.47 | wps | yup |
| 21:25.51 | wps | through the admin panel or the API |
| 21:25.57 | SunSparc | Wow, that is cool. |
| 21:26.06 | SunSparc | Did you ever try out Linode? |
| 21:26.26 | SunSparc | I keep hearing good things about them as well. |
| 21:26.37 | wps | yes, but they cost twice as much |
| 21:26.45 | SunSparc | Really? Hmm... |
| 21:26.48 | wps | (at least for what I'm hosting) |
| 21:26.58 | wps | my bill last month was $12 |
| 21:27.08 | wps | the minimum at linode is $30 |
| 21:27.14 | SunSparc | Not bad. |
| 21:27.22 | wps | ohâ¦Â waitâ¦Â $20 |
| 21:27.50 | SunSparc | Still, for your own personally configured server with bandwidth and backup. That is great. |
| 21:27.57 | wps | it's awesome |
| 21:28.32 | wps | and if you want to try something new, you can just clone the server and play with it |
| 21:28.37 | wps | if you screw it up, you just destroy the server |
| 21:28.42 | wps | and you're only charged for the time the server existed |
| 21:28.54 | wps | no risk that you'll screw up your production environment |
| 21:29.04 | SunSparc | Great way to do dev work. |
| 21:29.06 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 21:29.20 | wps | it was a piece of cake too to get static IPs and get my digital certs installed |
| 21:29.28 | wps | their support was timely and helpful |
| 21:29.45 | SunSparc | Cool, do they do load balancing for multiple servers? |
| 21:29.46 | wps | (each site I host has SSL, so I needed multiple IPs) |
| 21:30.06 | wps | yup |
| 21:30.49 | wps | another awesome thingâ¦Â which I already had to use to save my butt |
| 21:31.01 | wps | is that if you do hose your OS, you can boot into rescue mode |
| 21:31.43 | wps | which is two options: one is a web-based terminal that allows you access to the box as if you were standing in front of it |
| 21:32.14 | wps | the other is you can spin up another clean instance of an OS and then they mount the broken server as a file volume and you can browse (and fix) it |
| 21:32.45 | wps | I made a change to my firewall and forgot to test it before restarting it so I was locked out |
| 21:32.51 | wps | the web-based terminal saved by mutt |
| 21:32.56 | wps | s/mutt/butt/ |
| 21:33.04 | SunSparc | Nice! |
| 21:33.18 | josephscott | which SNI support was better |
| 21:33.30 | wps | what? |
| 21:33.33 | josephscott | eliminates the need for multiple IPs just for SSL |
| 21:33.44 | josephscott | wps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication |
| 21:33.51 | wps | ah |
| 21:34.32 | josephscott | it is reasonably supported now, but needs to be even better |
| 21:35.57 | josephscott | I'm using it to SSL wp-admin on my WP install |
| 21:36.35 | wps | is there any difference between the $10 and $200 SSL certs beyond the level of encryption (128 vs 256)? |
| 21:37.36 | unum | the $200 one may involve verification |
| 21:37.43 | wps | ahhhâ¦Â yes |
| 21:37.47 | wps | I remember |
| 21:37.49 | wps | you're right |
| 21:38.00 | wps | they do a few things to verify that you are who you say you are |
| 21:38.12 | wps | so verify + encryptionâ¦Â not just encryption |
| 21:38.33 | SunSparc | Yeah, more money usually equals more clout and ubiquity with the browsers. |
| 21:38.36 | josephscott | public encryption isn't helpful if you can't trust it |
| 21:39.08 | wps | do you know if the verification level is required for PCI compliance? |
| 21:40.03 | josephscott | PCI involves a long list of stuff, you usually work with a specific vendor to go through that process |
| 21:40.54 | josephscott | and there are different levels |
| 21:41.30 | wps | it's funny when people are saying "X is better than Y because Y doesn'tâ¦" |
| 21:41.33 | wps | but Y really does |
| 21:42.06 | wps | I read an article yesterday where someone was saying "this is like Dropbox except it does versioning!" |
| 21:42.14 | wps | Dropbox does do versioning |
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| 21:42.53 | SunSparc | Dropbox does undelete also. ;) |
| 21:42.55 | josephscott | hehe |
| 21:43.24 | josephscott | there is also an option for dropbox to do unlimited undelete, saves everything |
| 21:44.37 | orsonj | If you are dealing with pci compliance (at least the higher levels) the top of the line verisign extended validation is a drop in the bucket. |
| 21:45.45 | orsonj | speaking of that, I've been putting off reviewing security camera footage. |
| 21:59.37 | mindjuju | so who here does netflix? |
| 21:59.42 | mindjuju | err, netflix tv i mean |
| 21:59.51 | cro1 | me |
| 22:00.06 | mindjuju | does it play current episodes of the shows this season? |
| 22:00.11 | mindjuju | or is it all last year stuff? |
| 22:01.14 | cro | it varies from series to series |
| 22:01.27 | mindjuju | ah |
| 22:01.34 | cro | like what are you looking for? |
| 22:01.53 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: they usually don't have running seasons on netflix |
| 22:02.00 | mindjuju | glee, army wives |
| 22:02.06 | mindjuju | it's for tiff |
| 22:02.18 | cro | Glee: only Season 1 |
| 22:02.32 | mindjuju | oh |
| 22:02.35 | DexterTheDragon | and only dvd |
| 22:02.51 | cro | Army Wives: same deal |
| 22:03.05 | mindjuju | gotcha |
| 22:03.14 | mindjuju | just wondering, thx for checking |
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| 22:17.27 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Are you working at EK? |
| 22:17.45 | mindjuju | ek? |
| 22:18.00 | SunSparc | Eli Kirk |
| 22:18.01 | ninnypants | SunSparc: nope |
| 22:18.16 | SunSparc | How do you know them? |
| 22:18.18 | ninnypants | I' go in and talk to lance everyonce in a while |
| 22:18.58 | ninnypants | I interviewed when they had the position open. They're right down the road from my house. |
| 22:19.12 | SunSparc | Cool |
| 22:19.17 | SunSparc | I used to work with them |
| 22:19.33 | SunSparc | They are good guys. |
| 22:19.36 | ninnypants | yeah they're good people |
| 22:20.14 | ninnypants | Lance said they'd probably contract some work to me but I didn't quite have the experience needed to fill the position |
| 22:20.41 | SunSparc | That's cool. |
| 22:31.23 | josephscott | ninnypants: perhaps you can ask the sysadmin for Eli Kirk to properly config their web server :-) |
| 22:39.48 | ninnypants | josephscott: I already notified them of errors in their website :) |
| 22:40.20 | josephscott | good, perhaps you can ask them to do basic things that everyone should do to improve performance - http://www.webpagetest.org/result/101203_1N2Q/ |
| 22:41.05 | josephscott | they have 15 developers, I'm hoping at least one of them knows about this |
| 22:49.44 | SunSparc | Site testing for IE? Hmph |
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| 22:49.48 | SunSparc | ~lart IE |
| 22:49.48 | ibot | pries IE's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to IE |
| 22:49.52 | SunSparc | ~karma IE |
| 22:49.52 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 22:52.02 | beandog | SunSparc, having problems? |
| 22:52.14 | SunSparc | :) Nope |
| 22:52.19 | beandog | ~poke DexterTheDragon |
| 22:52.19 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind DexterTheDragon, pokes DexterTheDragon repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:52.21 | josephscott | yeah, crazy to be site testing with the most widely used browser on the web ;-) |
| 22:52.39 | SunSparc | josephscott: :p |
| 22:52.50 | beandog | Just because its the most popular, doesnt mean its the best |
| 22:52.54 | beandog | I mean, just look at Wordpress |
| 22:52.59 | beandog | ;) |
| 22:53.12 | josephscott | didn't say anything about best, just numbers :-) |
| 22:53.26 | beandog | heh, sorry josephscott |
| 22:53.30 | josephscott | if we were talking about best we'd all be using OS/2 on the desktop :-) |
| 22:53.36 | beandog | after like a year and a half |
| 22:53.40 | beandog | oh man |
| 22:53.41 | josephscott | how did it go? |
| 22:53.42 | beandog | os/2++ |
| 22:53.58 | SunSparc | os/2 lol |
| 22:53.59 | beandog | josephscott, I had to re-fix my perms for rw on wp-content, which pissed me off. |
| 22:54.19 | beandog | SunSparc, dont be dissin, man |
| 22:54.23 | josephscott | what method did use to upgrade? |
| 22:54.33 | beandog | josephscott, uh |
| 22:54.37 | beandog | well I unpacked the zip |
| 22:54.41 | beandog | then I tried to just move everything over |
| 22:54.44 | beandog | then I broke stuff |
| 22:54.44 | SunSparc | beandog: heh, I used os/2, back in the day, it was fancy. ;) |
| 22:54.49 | beandog | so I had to zap it and start over. |
| 22:54.58 | josephscott | ouch, any idea how it broke? |
| 22:54.59 | beandog | SunSparc, I had it on floppies. |
| 22:55.07 | beandog | josephscott, operator error |
| 22:55.17 | beandog | SunSparc, so I had something like 34 floppies .. it'd take forever to install. |
| 22:55.19 | beandog | Man, I miss that. |
| 22:55.23 | josephscott | I remember OS/2 install on 3.5 floppies |
| 22:55.25 | beandog | os/2, not floppies. |
| 22:55.28 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:55.42 | josephscott | 3 of the 5 most used browser versions are IE http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-200911-201011-bar |
| 22:55.50 | beandog | http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-OS-2-2-1-/140483609324?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b579c2ec |
| 22:56.19 | beandog | I cant believe its selling for $200 |
| 22:56.20 | josephscott | I might still have the OS/2 install media around in a closet some where |
| 22:56.20 | beandog | freek. |
| 22:57.32 | josephscott | testing assembly code in DOS was great using OS/2, when my code killed something just close the window and re-open it |
| 22:57.57 | josephscott | no waiting for reboots when my code would wedge things |
| 22:59.54 | beandog | ~wedgie |
| 22:59.55 | ibot | ACTION hangs a-atwood from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 23:00.35 | DexterTheDragon | ~dtdhit beandog |
| 23:00.36 | ibot | ACTION stikes at beandog with the fire of the cat seizure causing a very bad flesh wound! |
| 23:03.09 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 23:03.09 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on cycokilr and turns cycokilr into a brick |
| 23:09.41 | supernovia | anyone want to answer a potentially silly mysql question? |
| 23:09.56 | supernovia | I'm sure people do this kind of thing all the time but I'm not sure what terms to search by to find an example |
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| 23:12.00 | SunSparc | supernovia: spit it out |
| 23:12.40 | supernovia | okay, I'm looking at some form data in a table. Each row corresponds to a form field, and they have an id for each respondent |
| 23:14.21 | SunSparc | ? |
| 23:14.37 | supernovia | sorry trying to think of the best way to explain it - writing up a sample fake table |
| 23:14.47 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:16.36 | supernovia | this is probably something dumb but I don't know how best to explain it |
| 23:16.38 | supernovia | http://pastebin.com/v1wyWnJV |
| 23:17.22 | supernovia | so I've got a table like that and what I want is a table that has name, number, email, and comment as fields |
| 23:17.51 | supernovia | and I'm guessing it's going to involve a self join, or a temp table, or a sub query, or some combination of those⦠|
| 23:18.38 | supernovia | and if I had much time I'd just mess until I got it (but I don't) so I'm hoping to find the right words to look for an example on google |
| 23:23.07 | mindjuju | so, supernovia, wouldn't that just be |
| 23:23.21 | mindjuju | SELECT * FROM table WHERE entry = 1; |
| 23:23.44 | mindjuju | that would collect all the data from the form saved data 1 |
| 23:24.13 | DexterTheDragon | I think she wants the data in columns instead of rows |
| 23:24.19 | supernovia | right but then I've got a few hundred entries |
| 23:24.20 | supernovia | right. |
| 23:24.46 | beandog | Today is Friday, right? |
| 23:24.47 | supernovia | so I want to cycle through the entries and .. well probably put them in a temp table I'm guessing, but that's just outside the realm of what I'd normally do |
| 23:24.57 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: no.... its tuesday |
| 23:25.03 | supernovia | and i can push this off on PoeticIntensity in a few if I can't figure it out but I wanna know how |
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| 23:25.17 | supernovia | and I don't even know what to call it |
| 23:25.53 | mindjuju | so you want to turn the whole table from vertical to horizontal and make the rows -> columns? |
| 23:26.45 | supernovia | right, so make a table where the entry_id is the key for the row, and have field_value as columns |
| 23:27.29 | mindjuju | i think you could do that pretty easy with PHP being the muscle, or in mysql, you'd have to use a sproc (guessing here) |
| 23:27.32 | supernovia | so each entry gets a row |
| 23:28.05 | DexterTheDragon | supernovia: are you trying to convert to table form, or just wanting to select it that way? |
| 23:28.18 | SunSparc | Sorry, got questions at work that pulled me away. |
| 23:28.22 | supernovia | I just want to be able to select it so I can grab some data out. my export is borked. |
| 23:28.22 | SunSparc | Darn work, getting in the way. |
| 23:28.38 | mindjuju | oh, so not fix |
| 23:28.56 | SunSparc | Gotta go, laterz all! |
| 23:28.59 | supernovia | but I also want to know for future ref how the heck to do it |
| 23:29.00 | mindjuju | seems like temp table will get efficency worse over time |
| 23:29.12 | DexterTheDragon | I think its almost not worth it to try and select it like that |
| 23:29.14 | mindjuju | as more and more records get dumped |
| 23:29.28 | supernovia | oh this is on a db that's no longer used |
| 23:29.32 | supernovia | so I'm not even lookin for long term |
| 23:30.07 | supernovia | just grabbing data this one time (and figuring out how to do it if I ever run into this is again) |
| 23:30.31 | mindjuju | if you wanted to just script and run and your server had decent firepower, i'd just do subqueries to fetch each field |
| 23:30.35 | mindjuju | but that's horribly inefficent |
| 23:31.00 | mindjuju | as for joins, macnewbold is of the church that any subquery can be turned into a join |
| 23:31.17 | mindjuju | plus he's got his masters in CS, so he's got the brains to figure that one out! |
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| 23:32.10 | mindjuju | so subquery option would look like |
| 23:33.08 | DexterTheDragon | I would tell you how to do it, but its a pain and my brain is fried |
| 23:33.17 | mindjuju | SELECT (select id from table where entry = 1) AS id, (select name from table where entry =2) from table |
| 23:33.19 | mindjuju | something like that |
| 23:33.38 | supernovia | no worries. |
| 23:33.50 | supernovia | If it's a super PITA thing I'm gonna hand it to someone else :-p |
| 23:33.54 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: thats the long way |
| 23:34.07 | mindjuju | true that , DtD, true that |
| 23:34.10 | DexterTheDragon | there's a way to do it that would have each entry as a row |
| 23:34.26 | mindjuju | but she just wants the quickie way to do it, one time show |
| 23:34.33 | supernovia | plus I'd want to do that for each type of field and there are probably 20 :-/ |
| 23:34.39 | DexterTheDragon | exactly |
| 23:34.58 | supernovia | one time show for this, but to know what it's called so I know how to look for it next time would be rad |
| 23:35.00 | mindjuju | so, that's |
| 23:35.07 | DexterTheDragon | thats why I say its easier to grab the bunch and let the software handle it |
| 23:35.20 | supernovia | yeah, we actually just did that mas o meno here |
| 23:35.25 | mindjuju | there is a way to feed the entry ID into the subquery and have it loop around |
| 23:35.56 | supernovia | grabbed the data then manipulated it outside sql |
| 23:36.09 | mindjuju | php as muscle is best way |
| 23:36.40 | supernovia | yeah, probably. |
| 23:37.48 | supernovia | anyway, thanks. At least at this point I don't feel like there's supposed to be some super obvious thing I just don't know about |
| 23:39.05 | mindjuju | well, you could always do something like SELECT answer FROM table WHERE question = "life, universe, everything" but i hear that brings back 42 |
| 23:39.24 | mindjuju | i think i'll fb that |
| 23:39.34 | supernovia | takes a long time to process that one too, iirc |
| 23:40.22 | DexterTheDragon | thats cause its missing an index |
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| 23:43.48 | mindjuju | k, 4:45, time to go home, open up by book on American Politics and try to start, do and finish my online course in a weekend |
| 23:44.15 | mindjuju | i should get some buffalo wings and some soda water |
| 23:45.01 | PoeticIntensity | mmmmm buffalo wings.... |
| 23:45.20 | macnewbold | and finds that mindjuju was talking about my church for some reason... |
| 23:45.44 | macnewbold | ah, subqueries and joins - yes, I have yet to find a reasonable subquery that couldn't also be done as a join |
| 23:46.03 | mindjuju | see, told ya |
| 23:46.07 | macnewbold | i'm not positive, but i think they're computationally equivalent, that what you can do with one, you could also do with the other |
| 23:46.14 | macnewbold | but i'm up for a challenge |
| 23:46.25 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:46.28 | macnewbold | speaking of sql, |
| 23:46.31 | mindjuju | they prolly aren't efficency equiv, but i think they are doable in both |
| 23:46.47 | mindjuju | i think join is prolly more efficent processing wise |
| 23:46.54 | macnewbold | we're expecting a son in february, who is most likely going to be named Robert, after my father in law, and a middle name from my dad... |
| 23:46.59 | supernovia | is that something you'd ever do in sql macnewbold or would you just loop with something else? |
| 23:47.11 | supernovia | heyyy, congrast! |
| 23:47.16 | macnewbold | i've been joking around about bobby tables quite consistently, and now the kids have actually started telling people his name will be bobby tables :-D |
| 23:47.30 | mindjuju | oh man, go for it |
| 23:47.32 | mindjuju | ! |
| 23:47.32 | macnewbold | ty |
| 23:47.32 | supernovia | s/congrast/congrats |
| 23:47.47 | macnewbold | sorry, looking back for the query i nquestion |
| 23:48.01 | supernovia | lol |
| 23:48.31 | macnewbold | aha |
| 23:48.44 | macnewbold | yeah, the way you'd do that would probably be a self-join |
| 23:49.06 | supernovia | *nods* |
| 23:49.20 | macnewbold | the way i'd do it would be like this: |
| 23:51.10 | macnewbold | select num.entry, num.field_value as number, n.field_value as name, e.field_value as email, c.field_value as comment from |
| 23:52.46 | supernovia | hang on I have to look at my fake example again |
| 23:53.49 | macnewbold | tbl as num left join tbl as name on num.field='number' and n.field='name' and n.entry=num.entry left join tbl as e on e.field='email' and n.entry=e.entry |
| 23:55.11 | macnewbold | left join tbl as c on c.field='comment' and n.entry=c.entry |
| 23:55.43 | macnewbold | order n.entry; |
| 23:55.55 | macnewbold | something like that - i haven't tested it yet obviously. |
| 23:57.28 | supernovia | cool |
| 23:57.31 | supernovia | I will have to try that just for kicks |
| 23:57.40 | macnewbold | that said, your point about looping in php is a good one |
| 23:58.04 | supernovia | ya, that works too |
| 23:58.27 | macnewbold | in general, when you have multiple systems working iwth the same db, you do more in the db, so every system benefits and sees the same result |
| 23:58.30 | supernovia | but I'd assumed mysql had some easy way to do it |
| 23:58.37 | macnewbold | when only one system is using the db, you can kinda choose where it is easier to do it, |
| 23:58.43 | macnewbold | in sql in the db, or in php after you get it out |
| 23:58.49 | supernovia | yah, that makes sense |
| 23:59.26 | macnewbold | granted, there are sometimes performance implications to choosing unwisely |
| 23:59.30 | macnewbold | but often it's sixes |
| 23:59.40 | macnewbold | and can be much less work in php than being an sql contortionist |