| 00:06.21 | herlo | mgeary: me too |
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| 00:22.02 | beandog | how do you check if a checkbox is checked with js? |
| 00:22.20 | beandog | if its undefined, that means no |
| 00:22.22 | beandog | er, wait |
| 00:22.23 | beandog | if its null |
| 00:22.37 | beandog | then if its a string (empty or otherwise) it is |
| 00:23.32 | beandog | crap |
| 00:23.40 | beandog | that wont work if its checked with checked in the html |
| 00:23.43 | beandog | :C |
| 00:25.45 | mgeary | that's not how we did it in the old days |
| 00:26.11 | mgeary | i think |
| 00:26.31 | mgeary | i'd have to dig up old code, can't do it today |
| 00:27.24 | beandog | wow, epic fail |
| 00:27.35 | beandog | element.checked returns true|false |
| 00:28.01 | mgeary | that's what i thought |
| 00:32.29 | beandog | crazy. |
| 00:33.48 | beandog | well, I figured out how to toggle a checkbox in JavaScript. |
| 00:33.51 | beandog | I'd say my work here is done. |
| 00:33.56 | mindjuju | cya |
| 00:34.03 | beandog | I can't leave yet, though. |
| 00:37.43 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, ping u around? |
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| 00:53.02 | DexterTheDragon | ~pong beandog |
| 00:53.03 | ibot | beandog: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:53.32 | beandog | o hai |
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| 01:36.42 | ninnypants | iohelix: nope none tonight |
| 01:37.07 | ninnypants | iohelix: there wont be any until January |
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| 04:07.13 | macnewbold1 | do you folks get my emails to the uphpu list? |
| 04:07.34 | macnewbold1 | i haven't gotten any replies to any of the last 3, and someone today told me they never got the one saying there's no meeting. |
| 04:09.10 | ninnypants | I saw them this after noon but I don't check very often |
| 04:11.24 | josephscott | I saw them |
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| 15:31.34 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 15:31.34 | ibot | executes killall -HUP itimber |
| 15:33.36 | itimber | ~lart josephscott |
| 15:33.36 | ibot | eats josephscott's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 15:33.41 | itimber | ha |
| 15:33.48 | itimber | mmmm chianti |
| 15:33.55 | itimber | ~lart ibot |
| 15:33.55 | ibot | wallops itimber with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 15:34.06 | itimber | what?!? |
| 15:34.09 | itimber | phst |
| 15:37.57 | josephscott | ibot doesn't like to be lart'ed, he turns on his friends easily :-) |
| 15:38.45 | mindjuju | hmm, i need an assistant |
| 15:45.12 | josephscott | ~lart snow |
| 15:45.12 | ibot | whips snow with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 15:50.19 | herlo | itimber: chianti? at 8:30am?? |
| 15:50.29 | itimber | ha |
| 15:50.48 | itimber | it's nearly 10 here in KC |
| 15:50.49 | itimber | ha |
| 15:51.31 | itimber | ~lart i.bot |
| 15:51.31 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down i.bot's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 15:51.46 | itimber | ha... take that! |
| 15:52.46 | josephscott | ~lart ~ibot |
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| 16:35.26 | beandog | monin |
| 16:35.31 | beandog | I remembered the donuts today \o/ |
| 16:39.53 | mindjuju | i remembered a bag of chips |
| 16:39.58 | mindjuju | all i needs now is some lunchy |
| 16:40.06 | josephscott | former president bush is coming to my neighborhood today http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700083219/Bush-faithful-spend-night-at-Costco-awaiting-book-signing.html |
| 16:40.27 | josephscott | we joked that he came by for my wife's birthday :-) |
| 16:40.29 | mindjuju | i saw |
| 16:40.41 | mindjuju | book signing 1 -3 i think |
| 16:41.01 | josephscott | about 3 miles down the street from my house |
| 16:41.19 | mindjuju | i bet the streets / traffic is bad |
| 16:41.32 | josephscott | yeah, no doubt |
| 16:41.47 | josephscott | I wonder if he'd like to join us to see HP7.1 tonight |
| 16:43.13 | beandog | who all's going? |
| 16:43.14 | beandog | and where is it? |
| 16:43.16 | beandog | and when |
| 16:43.29 | josephscott | sarah and I are going tonight at 7pm |
| 16:43.29 | mindjuju | i bet if beandog was President, they'd have to move in a donut shop into the white house |
| 16:43.35 | mindjuju | maybe a dunkin donuts? |
| 16:43.39 | josephscott | at century 16 in Sandy |
| 16:43.41 | beandog | dunkin donuts ftw |
| 16:43.51 | beandog | uh |
| 16:43.57 | beandog | Sandy doesnt have a century 16 |
| 16:44.00 | josephscott | man, I haven't been to a dunkin donuts in a LONG time |
| 16:44.17 | beandog | oh wait |
| 16:44.36 | beandog | 76th south |
| 16:44.39 | fungus | beandog, yes there is |
| 16:44.40 | beandog | I thought you meant Century 16 in SLC |
| 16:44.41 | fungus | hehe |
| 16:45.06 | josephscott | Sandy != SLC no matter what the politicians tell you :-) |
| 16:45.21 | beandog | Century 16 in SLC is 3300 S |
| 16:45.30 | beandog | and State |
| 16:45.34 | josephscott | yep, on 1300 East, just a few miles north of my house |
| 16:45.55 | mindjuju | @beandog - @josephscott -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwfrBbNo5Jg |
| 16:46.43 | beandog | I miss old simple commercials |
| 16:47.01 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:47.02 | josephscott | I miss james earl jones "THIS IS CNN" |
| 16:47.45 | mindjuju | that's funny, i haven't thought about that in a long time, @josephscott |
| 16:48.00 | macnewbold | i never watched cnn |
| 16:48.10 | macnewbold | for which i'm always grateful |
| 16:48.56 | josephscott | haha - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwfhZWyo0XQ&feature=related |
| 16:49.23 | mindjuju | @macnewbold was it that y'all didn't have cable or that you don't agree? |
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| 16:50.24 | mindjuju | @beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utGXF5orynk |
| 16:50.59 | josephscott | I don't watch much 24 hour news any more, when MSNBC and Fox News came on the scene most of the 24 news turned, well, it turned to yuck |
| 16:52.19 | beandog | I get all my world news from twitter |
| 16:52.27 | beandog | I figure if its sufficiently important, it'll bubble up there. |
| 16:52.31 | josephscott | what's twitter? |
| 16:52.46 | beandog | facebook minus the ads. |
| 16:53.08 | fungus | facebook - farmville |
| 16:53.17 | mindjuju | this is so funny - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dI-ghYimg&feature=related |
| 16:53.21 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.30 | beandog | what are pokes anywya |
| 16:53.58 | fungus | I don't really know. |
| 16:54.25 | fungus | All I know is people like to send you cutesy crap, and play really loud annoying games. |
| 16:57.14 | beandog | http://luyengame.com/games/happyfaces.htm |
| 16:58.45 | SunSparc | mindjuju: LOL poor speedy Obiwan |
| 16:58.54 | mindjuju | way too funny |
| 16:59.25 | SunSparc | I don't do the games and other junk. |
| 17:00.34 | SunSparc | When I want to play games with friends and family, I open Words with Friends or World of Warcraft. |
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| 17:02.23 | mindjuju | mgeary, you around? |
| 17:02.32 | mgeary | yep |
| 17:02.34 | mindjuju | you'll be happy about this |
| 17:02.36 | mindjuju | http://gizmodo.com/5693455/orlando-airport-kicks-out-the-tsa |
| 17:02.46 | mgeary | ooh, that is awesome |
| 17:02.56 | mindjuju | i just read about that provision a couple nights ago, airports don't HAVE to use the TSA |
| 17:03.32 | mgeary | though hopefully we're not just exchanging one bad security solution for another |
| 17:03.47 | mindjuju | true |
| 17:03.58 | DexterTheDragon | "The TSA points out that even if an airport decides to use a private firm for security, the screeners still must follow TSA guidelines. That would include using enhanced pat-downs and the full-body scanners if they are installed at the airport." |
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| 17:04.50 | mgeary | meh, yeah |
| 17:04.59 | mgeary | same ol' security theater |
| 17:05.08 | mgeary | i liked that israelification article from yesterday |
| 17:05.30 | beandog | The problem with their approach (well, one of them) |
| 17:05.32 | mindjuju | mgeary, curious that you s ay that, i was researching to see if El Al uses the xray machines or no |
| 17:05.38 | mindjuju | where is the article you are mentioning? |
| 17:05.42 | beandog | is that the security screening only takes place *inside* the USA |
| 17:05.42 | mindjuju | and do you know if they do? |
| 17:05.43 | beandog | So |
| 17:05.52 | beandog | If you want to fly a plane into a building, you just fly in from outside the USA. |
| 17:05.59 | beandog | Win. |
| 17:06.02 | mgeary | mindjuju: http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother |
| 17:06.14 | beandog | You pick the crappiest security at some international airport, and get on a plane that way. |
| 17:06.16 | mindjuju | @beandog, or just rent a charter plane |
| 17:06.28 | mindjuju | or, carry the explosives in your crack |
| 17:06.48 | beandog | I think everyone needs to take a breather and go watch Airplane! |
| 17:06.56 | mindjuju | not unheard of, the article at theAtlantic was good for pointing that out |
| 17:06.59 | mgeary | how long before someone just ingests something? I mean if they do it with drugs coming across the boarder, surely they'll do it with an explosive device someday |
| 17:07.00 | mindjuju | thx mgeary |
| 17:07.14 | mindjuju | @mgeary, not a bad point |
| 17:07.18 | mgeary | how will they change TSA procedures when that happens? |
| 17:07.27 | mindjuju | ingested and it goes off at some predetermined time |
| 17:07.53 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y |
| 17:08.11 | beandog | I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue |
| 17:08.23 | beandog | Oh stewardess, I speak jive |
| 17:12.24 | beandog | crap |
| 17:12.39 | beandog | mindjuju, I cant find my favorite scene. The one where the nun plays the guitar and knocks out that kid's IV |
| 17:15.22 | mindjuju | k, so far from what iv'e read in this article, it's heavily sanitized @mgeary @sunsparc |
| 17:15.28 | mindjuju | they heavily use profiling |
| 17:15.34 | josephscott | seems all you need to defeat the porno scan is pleated pants |
| 17:15.39 | josephscott | http://www.thelocal.de/sci-tech/20101116-31209.html |
| 17:16.08 | beandog | Next time I fly Im just gonna wear three pairs of pants. |
| 17:16.59 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Which article, the Israeli one? |
| 17:17.10 | mindjuju | that article was heavily sanitized, and i'm not saying that profiling is wrong, i'm saying that that is what they do |
| 17:17.17 | mindjuju | the one mgeary posted |
| 17:17.34 | mgeary | mindjuju: it's *behavior* profiling |
| 17:17.51 | mgeary | completely different from racial/age/gender profiling |
| 17:17.52 | mindjuju | clarification, El Al profiles |
| 17:17.57 | josephscott | oh boy, watch this video on the scanners http://www.americablog.com/2010/01/german-tv-highlights-failings-of-body.html |
| 17:17.58 | mindjuju | racial profiles |
| 17:18.35 | mindjuju | i'm not saying that's bad or good, i'm saying that's what is done, and if israelification is a process making like El Al, then that will be an issue |
| 17:18.59 | mgeary | "Officers are looking for nervousness or other signs of "distress" â behavioural profiling" |
| 17:19.29 | mgeary | ""The word 'profiling' is a political invention by people who don't want to do security," he said. "To us, it doesn't matter if he's black, white, young or old. It's just his behaviour. So what kind of privacy am I really stepping on when I'm doing this?"" |
| 17:19.30 | mindjuju | ...sigh... , i see that in the article, i'm saying the article isn't giving you the whole picture, it's been sanitized |
| 17:19.35 | mgeary | aha |
| 17:19.39 | mgeary | could well be |
| 17:19.57 | SunSparc | Who cares about profiling, as long as the only bias involved is toward keeping people safe. |
| 17:20.12 | mindjuju | that's one stance sunsparc, but htink of it this way |
| 17:20.27 | mindjuju | not too long ago, a guy named, mcvey walked into a federal building and blew it up |
| 17:20.30 | mindjuju | k, now let's profile |
| 17:20.56 | mindjuju | as far as i know, there hasn't been a mexican bomber blow anything up in the US |
| 17:21.00 | mindjuju | so i get throw scott free |
| 17:21.18 | mindjuju | but you guys, let the profile commence |
| 17:21.27 | mindjuju | see, not so simple |
| 17:21.27 | josephscott | if you read the article, the watch people at various points, starting before they come into the airport |
| 17:21.36 | josephscott | s/the watch/they watch/ |
| 17:21.42 | SunSparc | If I fit the profile, fine, search me. |
| 17:21.56 | SunSparc | I can take one for the freedom of my country. |
| 17:22.52 | mindjuju | i'm not syaing i know an answer or that i've even chosen, i've researched a bunch since this started, and it's hard choices along the board |
| 17:23.49 | mindjuju | @mgeary @josephscott, this is what i read on El Al |
| 17:23.50 | mindjuju | http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/security/articles/sec_0108.htm |
| 17:23.58 | mindjuju | and it's by the guy in charge of security, iirc |
| 17:24.17 | mindjuju | sorry, not by, but he's quoted and used |
| 17:25.03 | josephscott | what's classic is that so far it looks like the risk of getting cancer from a porno scan is higher than dying in a terrorist activity |
| 17:25.12 | mindjuju | v true |
| 17:25.27 | josephscott | which sounds like the opposite of making us safer when flying |
| 17:25.38 | beandog | what's the #1 killer in the U.S.? |
| 17:25.50 | mindjuju | and i think it's interesting that nobody is speaking on theAtlantics point of, bombers having already used body cavities to store explosives |
| 17:26.13 | mindjuju | heck, there was a lady selling dope out of her "front door" |
| 17:26.17 | mindjuju | in jail! |
| 17:26.20 | josephscott | in 2009 over 30,000 people died in car crashes - http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx |
| 17:26.20 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: cancer |
| 17:26.26 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, heart disease |
| 17:26.51 | mindjuju | @sunsparc, i'm not sure, but pressurized cabin and bullets prolly don't mix |
| 17:26.54 | mindjuju | but, i'm not sure |
| 17:26.57 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: I believe cancer edged out heart disease this year |
| 17:27.01 | josephscott | perhaps there should be a TSA checking point in every garage before we drive to work in the morning |
| 17:27.24 | josephscott | mindjuju: mythbusters did an episode on that |
| 17:27.30 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, did it? okay |
| 17:27.33 | mindjuju | did they? what was outcome? |
| 17:27.53 | beandog | I'm more afraid of gremlins on the wing, a la Twilight Zone |
| 17:28.07 | josephscott | a bullet hole will not suck a person out of a cabin |
| 17:28.23 | mindjuju | heh, good to know josephscott |
| 17:28.24 | josephscott | remember the hawaii flight that hard part of the roof the plane ripped away? |
| 17:28.28 | josephscott | they still landed |
| 17:28.31 | josephscott | safely even |
| 17:28.41 | mindjuju | must have been a heck of a view! |
| 17:28.54 | josephscott | people were injured/killed from the damage in the plane |
| 17:29.58 | mindjuju | i'll see if i can find it, but i know a head cleric here in the US has stated that Muslims shouldn't use the xray on decency issues |
| 17:30.26 | mindjuju | and that people not selected for the secure screening who are asked as a part of a secondary screening |
| 17:30.40 | josephscott | how did he feel about being sexually assaulted? |
| 17:30.42 | mindjuju | don't have to take off their burqa and the TSA doesn't have to touch them |
| 17:31.00 | mindjuju | they can grab and feel and then have hands do a chemical wipe |
| 17:31.07 | mindjuju | i'll see if i can find the article |
| 17:31.15 | DexterTheDragon | http://thesop.org/story/law/2009/02/15/a-cop-is-more-likely-to-kill-you-than-a-terrorist.php |
| 17:33.28 | beandog | IM spam. I haven't gotten that in a while. |
| 17:33.40 | beandog | Apparently there's a site about hawt girl pix that I had no idea existed. |
| 17:33.51 | mindjuju | @josephscott, here it is |
| 17:33.51 | mindjuju | http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-02-11-airport-scanners-muslims_N.htm |
| 17:34.08 | mindjuju | if you want, i can see if i can dig out of history the part about the burqa |
| 17:34.16 | mindjuju | or it might have been off of here |
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| 17:38.19 | SunSparc | mindjuju: that article is from 2001 |
| 17:38.57 | mindjuju | have things changed since then? |
| 17:40.40 | SunSparc | mindjuju: The "Israelification" article was from 2009. |
| 17:40.52 | SunSparc | Seems things have changed a bit. |
| 17:45.35 | SunSparc | mindjuju: could be |
| 17:45.49 | mindjuju | @sunsparc, this IS HILAROUS! http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/ |
| 17:46.08 | mindjuju | solider who is packing weapons from the war returning home |
| 17:51.05 | SunSparc | RE TAR DED!!!!!! |
| 17:51.45 | josephscott | guns don't kill people, nail clippers do |
| 17:51.48 | SunSparc | Not that we need help, but this kind of crap is what makes America look like a frickin joke to the rest of the world. Heck, it makes America look like a frickin joke to me! |
| 17:52.38 | SunSparc | josephscott: lol, yeah, each of those people could have single handedly taken over the plane without even guns and yet they take away their nail clippers. |
| 17:52.51 | SunSparc | I DI OTS! |
| 17:53.03 | SunSparc | This really torqs me. |
| 17:53.10 | josephscott | ~lart TSA |
| 17:53.10 | ibot | does a little 'dpkg -P TSA' action |
| 17:53.20 | SunSparc | I am writing my congressman. Oh wait, already did. |
| 17:54.00 | DexterTheDragon | Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills people. |
| 17:54.45 | josephscott | ~chuckfact |
| 17:54.46 | ibot | Chuck Norris hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush |
| 17:54.59 | josephscott | ~chuckfact |
| 17:54.59 | ibot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 17:55.28 | SunSparc | Chuck Norris is the only security my plane needs. |
| 17:55.45 | PoeticIntensity | heh... I'm with you SunSparc |
| 17:55.51 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:55.58 | PoeticIntensity | that article is slightly preturbing. |
| 17:56.01 | josephscott | the TSA doesn't scan Chuck Norris, he scans them |
| 17:56.03 | PoeticIntensity | (if that's a word) |
| 17:56.36 | PoeticIntensity | When laws regulate common sense, we're in a bad, bad place. |
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| 17:58.23 | PoeticIntensity | that is so sad. |
| 17:59.01 | Utah_Dave | Plus, I'm sure those guys don't need their weapons to take over the plane, if they really wanted to. |
| 17:59.19 | PoeticIntensity | There is no doubt. |
| 17:59.32 | SunSparc | If I was going to take over a plane, there are plenty of ways to do it. Taking nail clippers from people is not keeping anyone safe. |
| 18:00.21 | PoeticIntensity | The only thing that whole scenario says to me is, "America is paranoid beyond logical thought.", as well as, "We're a bunch of retards." |
| 18:00.42 | PoeticIntensity | saaad. |
| 18:00.43 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 18:01.00 | cro | It's like we've totally forgotten how to defend ourselves as individuals |
| 18:01.11 | SunSparc | Mind games. We are killing ourselves. |
| 18:01.46 | PoeticIntensity | I mean, c'mon... Really.. It's common sense, for crying out loud! |
| 18:02.14 | PoeticIntensity | I'd be clinically insane if I wanted to take nail clippers from a guy holding an unloaded gun because I thought nail clippers would give him the power to take over the plane. |
| 18:02.51 | PoeticIntensity | That's the kind of crap that happens on SNL, not real life. |
| 18:02.55 | PoeticIntensity | Completely ridiculous. |
| 18:03.10 | SunSparc | Seriously. Where do they get these people? And what do they do to their poor heads to make them this way? |
| 18:03.32 | PoeticIntensity | if there are laws regulating that kind of action, then the law needs to be repealed. |
| 18:03.39 | cro | And the fact that the screeners themselves didn't quit en-masse when the new rules came down tells us something about those people, yes. |
| 18:03.54 | PoeticIntensity | if it was the guy's choice, then, he needs to be put in a rubber room. |
| 18:04.05 | herlo | cro: that they need jobs and can't get them many other places? |
| 18:04.28 | cro | herlo: well, there is that :-) |
| 18:04.33 | PoeticIntensity | all that is - is sad. Very sad. |
| 18:04.47 | PoeticIntensity | on so many levels. |
| 18:04.53 | PoeticIntensity | now I'm all depressed. |
| 18:04.56 | PoeticIntensity | I can't code. |
| 18:04.59 | PoeticIntensity | I'm going home. |
| 18:05.04 | SunSparc | heh |
| 18:05.06 | PoeticIntensity | quitting my job. |
| 18:05.09 | SunSparc | Just code angry |
| 18:05.12 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:05.16 | PoeticIntensity | seriously contemplating suicide. |
| 18:05.24 | DexterTheDragon | friends don't let friends code angry |
| 18:05.25 | PoeticIntensity | I can't live in this country anymore. |
| 18:05.27 | SunSparc | Snap out of it brother! |
| 18:05.50 | PoeticIntensity | darn... I thought I had a legit reason to go to the LAN party early! |
| 18:05.59 | SunSparc | heh |
| 18:06.29 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:08.31 | PoeticIntensity | Ya know... I think the law makers need to go visit our troops in the middle-east for a while. |
| 18:08.53 | SunSparc | Amen |
| 18:08.53 | PoeticIntensity | I think they'd get a HUGE dose of reality along with a nice fat injection of common sense. |
| 18:09.44 | PoeticIntensity | I'm just glad I don't see any flying in my near (or distant) future. |
| 18:09.58 | SunSparc | I think every American citizen should live in a third world country for at least a week, to get a different perspective and realize the comparative bliss we live in. |
| 18:10.16 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: Yeah, I will stick to road trips for now. |
| 18:10.20 | PoeticIntensity | if I had to be subjected (or worse, my wife or family) to a stinking pat-down... I'd probably do something regrettable. |
| 18:10.24 | Utah_Dave | I'm going to be flying soon. I'm still trying to decide what to do with all this security stuff |
| 18:10.41 | SunSparc | Utah_Dave: Take the train or the bus. |
| 18:10.54 | Utah_Dave | I'm sure I'm not going to let them take a naked picture of me and I'm not sure if I'm going to let them grope me |
| 18:11.08 | PoeticIntensity | ugh. |
| 18:11.16 | SunSparc | If you don't, $10,000 fine. |
| 18:11.27 | SunSparc | Forced rape or you pay out the nose |
| 18:11.28 | Utah_Dave | SunSparc: I'm going to Puerto Rico. |
| 18:11.44 | SunSparc | Utah_Dave: Drive across the border and then fly. |
| 18:11.47 | PoeticIntensity | I say give everyone who consents, a simple common-sense test, along with proper training, and a 9mm pistol. |
| 18:11.48 | macnewbold | they do that before they'll let you into puerto rico too |
| 18:12.32 | PoeticIntensity | think about it. |
| 18:12.35 | PoeticIntensity | if 50 |
| 18:12.36 | Utah_Dave | and then I have to come home. At some point they're going to run me through security |
| 18:12.37 | PoeticIntensity | ergh. |
| 18:12.45 | SunSparc | http://wewontfly.com/ |
| 18:12.59 | PoeticIntensity | if 50% of the people on the 9/11 flights had guns, the outcome could have been different. |
| 18:13.15 | mindjuju | @utah_dave @mgeary, the Germans have already figured it out |
| 18:13.16 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0jrgUhOrHFU#! |
| 18:13.30 | mindjuju | oh sorry! sfw warning if bikins are ok |
| 18:13.39 | mindjuju | else save it for home |
| 18:14.08 | mindjuju | they are prostesting the TSA body scanners by running around in briefs and bikinis |
| 18:14.11 | mindjuju | quiet funny |
| 18:14.25 | macnewbold | nice, that's funny |
| 18:14.30 | macnewbold | its a good point though |
| 18:14.45 | carmony | damn... this site I built for this company, I didn't think it would get -that- many sales opening day.... |
| 18:15.04 | macnewbold | carmony: aren't you the same guy who gives talks about how to make your site scale? |
| 18:15.05 | carmony | but I woke up this morning, and its already sold double in 1/4th the time so far |
| 18:15.17 | carmony | heh, its up and running just fine ;) |
| 18:15.20 | macnewbold | good |
| 18:15.24 | carmony | just surprised in sales $$$ |
| 18:15.26 | mindjuju | way to go carmony! |
| 18:15.31 | macnewbold | what are they selling? |
| 18:15.37 | macnewbold | those snow fire hats? |
| 18:15.49 | Utah_Dave | This is pretty funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HXEENr2iDE |
| 18:16.06 | carmony | http://www.zazing.com/ -- I did the design..... and then the went in a screwed it all up with ugly buttons and tabs :P |
| 18:17.47 | PoeticIntensity | mmmmmm..... bacon-wrapped tenderloin... |
| 18:17.53 | carmony | lol |
| 18:17.55 | PoeticIntensity | wowza, that looks good. |
| 18:18.22 | PoeticIntensity | yeah, that's an insanely delicious-looking photo. |
| 18:19.40 | carmony | hehe |
| 18:19.48 | carmony | you want to buuuuuuuuy iiiiiiiiiit.... |
| 18:20.06 | PoeticIntensity | okay... so in case anyone here missed the memo. (and I am in no way affiliated with this company), and wants the ability to take credit cards for *whatever* reason, take a look at http://www.squareup.com |
| 18:20.16 | PoeticIntensity | it's seriously tempting. |
| 18:20.19 | PoeticIntensity | that photo is insane. |
| 18:20.54 | PoeticIntensity | I own and operate a recording studio, and I signed up for squareup.com - works like an absolute charm. |
| 18:21.12 | PoeticIntensity | turns your android / iphone into a point of sale device. |
| 18:21.29 | Utah_Dave | PoeticIntensity: did you get the little credit card scanner gadget? |
| 18:21.33 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 18:21.38 | PoeticIntensity | free. |
| 18:21.40 | PoeticIntensity | 100% free. |
| 18:21.46 | PoeticIntensity | un-believable. |
| 18:22.15 | PoeticIntensity | they take 2.75% + .15 from each transaction, but that's just like any other service. |
| 18:22.32 | PoeticIntensity | and the ability to take cards makes getting money from my clients much, much easier and faster. |
| 18:23.05 | PoeticIntensity | and the POS device is *my phone*. It goes with me where-ever I go. |
| 18:23.12 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 18:23.19 | macnewbold | totally cool |
| 18:23.30 | PoeticIntensity | yes, mindjuju, it is. That's the only reason I even mention it here. |
| 18:23.34 | PoeticIntensity | The coolness factor is off the charts. |
| 18:24.00 | cro | PoeticIntensity: HopeKids is going to start using those for donations at our fundraisers |
| 18:24.06 | PoeticIntensity | bingo. |
| 18:24.12 | PoeticIntensity | easy-schmeasy. |
| 18:24.44 | PoeticIntensity | after the card is swiped and authed - it turns your phone into a digital signing pad.. They sign it, then give you their email address, and the receipt is emailed to them. |
| 18:25.09 | PoeticIntensity | it's flipping brilliant, is what it is. |
| 18:25.31 | PoeticIntensity | and the gadget? Yeah... It plugs into your headphone jack. |
| 18:25.35 | PoeticIntensity | NO idea how that works. |
| 18:26.04 | PoeticIntensity | anyway... I just thought I'd make sure anyone who could benefit from it had the knowledge. |
| 18:26.34 | mindjuju | yeah, same here |
| 18:26.48 | mindjuju | so, it just pipes the $$ to the bank, does it have a holding period? |
| 18:26.55 | cro | Just like the old cassette recorder input for the Apple II and TRS â80sâyou stored the software as an audio stream and an A/D converter converted it back into bits. I used to fiddle incessantly with the volume and tone controls until I could get my software to load. |
| 18:26.56 | mindjuju | do you still have to have a merchant account? |
| 18:26.57 | PoeticIntensity | gotta say, too... After being an iPhone owner for 1.5 years... Droid absolutely kills the iphone. |
| 18:27.13 | PoeticIntensity | cro, that's awesome! |
| 18:27.31 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, it dumps cash into your bank once per day. |
| 18:27.53 | PoeticIntensity | and if you start doing large / lots of transactions, it could be held for longer... |
| 18:28.00 | PoeticIntensity | I think it's like $1000.00 per day, though... |
| 18:28.08 | PoeticIntensity | nah... it's gotta be more than that. |
| 18:30.34 | _psychic_ | I think it's genius to use the audio jack as the input. |
| 18:30.40 | PoeticIntensity | How much money can I accept? |
| 18:30.40 | PoeticIntensity | Square allows you to accept *unlimited* payments, period. There are no limits on transaction size or transactions. |
| 18:30.40 | PoeticIntensity | back to top â |
| 18:30.40 | PoeticIntensity | How much money will Square deposit? |
| 18:30.40 | PoeticIntensity | As a new Square user, we will immediately deposit your first $1,001 of sales per week to your bank account, which means you have access to the money by tomorrow. Any remaining amount will be transferred to your bank account within 30 days of the transaction. |
| 18:30.44 | PoeticIntensity | If you would like access to a higher deposit amount, please contact Support. They will ask you for some additional information about your business and then get the ball rolling. |
| 18:30.47 | macnewbold | that square stuff is total dope |
| 18:30.47 | PoeticIntensity | (sorry) |
| 18:30.49 | PoeticIntensity | that's from the FAQ of squareup |
| 18:30.54 | PoeticIntensity | isn't it!? |
| 18:31.05 | macnewbold | total dope |
| 18:31.22 | PoeticIntensity | I've been lovin' it. |
| 18:31.25 | macnewbold | yeah, they've got to be transcoding the magstripe to audio input on the mic jack |
| 18:31.42 | PoeticIntensity | that's just cool. |
| 18:31.45 | cro | and the symbol set is so limited it can be pretty reliable |
| 18:31.49 | SunSparc | Check this: http://vimeo.com/16985224 |
| 18:32.15 | SunSparc | If only Microsoft would embrace open ingenuity. They could benefit so much. |
| 18:33.02 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
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| 18:35.00 | _psychic_ | open cv rox |
| 18:39.38 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Have you played with it? |
| 18:39.51 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 18:40.01 | _psychic_ | I did a face tracking thing for our spook alley section |
| 18:40.13 | _psychic_ | I loves me some Haar cascades |
| 18:40.21 | SunSparc | Sweet! |
| 18:40.34 | _psychic_ | It would watch for faces in the frame, then snap pictures of them |
| 18:40.48 | _psychic_ | then later on, it'd display them a bit distorted and floating in the air outside a window |
| 18:41.05 | _psychic_ | there's an AS3 port called Marilena I used in a Flex app |
| 18:41.07 | SunSparc | Oh yeah, you were telling me about that. Like Disney's haunted house. |
| 18:41.39 | _psychic_ | not sure |
| 18:55.49 | DexterTheDragon | what square sounds like http://andrew.jorgensenfamily.us/2010/11/square/ |
| 18:57.42 | josephscott | I've got a square reader |
| 18:58.00 | josephscott | you can also use it with out the reader (costs more per transaction when doing that) |
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| 19:05.09 | herlo | josephscott: I've one too |
| 19:05.11 | herlo | kind of cool |
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| 20:33.44 | mindjuju | so when i mounted a special drive for /tmp, i think it reset the settings cause i'm getting some weird errors by daemons who can't seem to write, so i've done some research, i see that the folder should be set to 766, but this page is telling me that i need to set the sticky bit to allow for append |
| 20:33.54 | mindjuju | having trouble finding out how that is done |
| 20:34.40 | josephscott | you don't want to do that :-) |
| 20:34.48 | mindjuju | to which |
| 20:34.52 | josephscott | mount it to /mnt or something |
| 20:34.52 | mindjuju | sticky or 766 ? |
| 20:34.59 | josephscott | don't mount something new on /tmp |
| 20:35.06 | mindjuju | why no? |
| 20:35.16 | josephscott | everything in the system expects to be able to write there |
| 20:35.18 | mindjuju | if you don't mind me asking |
| 20:35.40 | mindjuju | why not just update the permissions so that is so? |
| 20:35.40 | josephscott | unless you are mounting it with the intention of using it just for /tmp space |
| 20:35.59 | mindjuju | that's what i was thinking to do |
| 20:36.30 | josephscott | probably 777 |
| 20:36.43 | josephscott | the /tmp dir is special |
| 20:36.58 | mindjuju | i don't want to execute from tmp though, do i? |
| 20:37.01 | josephscott | everything, and I mean everything, assumes that it has the ability to write to tmp |
| 20:37.13 | mindjuju | i thought 6 was read and write |
| 20:37.20 | mindjuju | but 7 was read, write and execute |
| 20:37.40 | josephscott | probably not, compare it with another /tmp on a different system |
| 20:38.12 | josephscott | you can also mount /tmp noexec |
| 20:38.22 | josephscott | if you want to specifically avoid executing from there |
| 20:38.35 | mindjuju | curious, all 7s |
| 20:38.55 | josephscott | yep, I think that is what you'll find on many systems |
| 20:39.03 | mindjuju | good to know |
| 20:39.09 | josephscott | 766 would probably get you by |
| 20:39.14 | DexterTheDragon | directories have to have execute or they don't work |
| 20:41.06 | mindjuju | thx guys! |
| 20:41.12 | mindjuju | ~josephscott++ |
| 20:41.19 | mindjuju | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 20:42.43 | josephscott | for next time, when unmounting and mounting something critical like that, probaly best to do it single user mode |
| 20:43.08 | mindjuju | i actually fstab 'd it |
| 20:43.33 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: the tmp dir on my system is 1777 |
| 20:43.49 | mindjuju | is that how you set the sticky bit? |
| 20:43.57 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 20:43.59 | mindjuju | chmod 1777 /tmp ? |
| 20:44.17 | mindjuju | k |
| 20:44.19 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 20:46.01 | Utah_Dave | Ooh, I'm going to set this up on an internal app for April Fool's day: |
| 20:46.03 | Utah_Dave | http://www.zurb.com/playground/jquery-raptorize?timed_launch=true |
| 20:46.42 | josephscott | mindjuju: and if you are worried about executables, set noexec in fstab |
| 20:46.57 | mindjuju | i'll update that |
| 20:47.07 | mindjuju | this is a production server, just trying to keep things safe |
| 20:47.19 | mindjuju | i need to find a best practices on production server |
| 20:48.34 | mindjuju | utah_dave, that's awesome |
| 20:49.57 | josephscott | hmm, makes me wonder about putting people's pictures there instead of the dino |
| 20:51.24 | Utah_Dave | josephscott: Ooh, yeah. Great idea |
| 20:52.10 | Utah_Dave | Have the boss' head go flying by, or Glenn Beck and Pres. Obama |
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| 20:58.04 | josephscott | or a TSA agent |
| 20:58.28 | mindjuju | mgeary, you teaching a math class? |
| 20:58.36 | mindjuju | i remember you're teaching, just dont remember the subject |
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| 21:10.42 | mindjuju | carmony |
| 21:10.45 | mindjuju | you around? |
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| 21:37.14 | carmony | mindjuju: i am now |
| 21:37.39 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xSH-aZ0OsE |
| 21:37.53 | mindjuju | you playing TF2 this weekend? i might could play for an hour or so |
| 21:40.29 | mindjuju | utah_dave , you got TF2 don't you? |
| 21:42.18 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: yep! |
| 21:42.27 | mindjuju | we should play this weekend |
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| 22:28.15 | mgeary | mindjuju: ping |
| 22:28.32 | mgeary | i've taught math in prior years, but this year i'm teaching a python programming class instead |
| 22:28.38 | mgeary | it's been really good |
| 22:41.04 | SunSparc | Wow, MS flip-flopped on their Kinect concerns. Nice. |
| 22:42.58 | orsonj | link? |
| 22:43.35 | orsonj | Did they finally realize that if more people could use them, they would sell more? |
| 22:43.40 | SunSparc | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-20023455-52.html?tag=twitter2 |
| 22:45.25 | orsonj | ah, so unofficially they like it, but officially they don't |
| 22:46.22 | SunSparc | lol, yeah |
| 22:46.43 | SunSparc | Apparently they have seen the mocking masses and are trying to put on a happy face. |
| 22:48.05 | orsonj | I don't know why they would try to lock up their hardware, that is their strong area. software, not so much. |
| 22:48.51 | orsonj | I'm typing on a MS keyboard. I like it. Dell keyboards on the other hand... |
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| 22:53.02 | SunSparc | Yeah, MS does pretty well with hardware. Well, peripherals and gaming systems at least. |
| 22:55.29 | beandog | I need more game consoles. |
| 22:55.42 | beandog | Three just isn't enough these days. |
| 22:55.55 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:56.13 | beandog | I'm tempted to get a 360 |
| 22:56.22 | SunSparc | Playstation, Wii, XBox, what else is there? |
| 22:56.31 | beandog | PS2, PS3, Wii |
| 22:56.33 | beandog | thats what I have |
| 22:56.51 | SunSparc | Why do you have 2 Playstations? |
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| 22:57.04 | beandog | SunSparc, ps3 can't play ps2 games (well, my version) |
| 22:57.13 | SunSparc | What?! |
| 22:57.59 | beandog | lol |
| 22:58.01 | beandog | http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/the-single-male/ |
| 22:58.02 | beandog | SunSparc, panel 3 |
| 22:58.44 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:58.52 | SunSparc | Ah yes, those were the days... |
| 22:59.08 | SunSparc | "Happiness" :) |
| 22:59.10 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, which 360 would I get if I just wanna screw around? can I get the 4G one? |
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| 23:07.44 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: yeah |
| 23:08.51 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, that seems like a pretty small drive. |
| 23:09.06 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, do the 360's games ever need space for just general game installs |
| 23:09.12 | beandog | PS3 games do that all the time |
| 23:09.26 | beandog | "Oh, we need to dump 1.5GB of data on your drive ... because we can! Ha ha!" |
| 23:09.46 | DexterTheDragon | download games and dlc take space |
| 23:10.01 | DexterTheDragon | you can also rip games onto the hard drive |
| 23:10.14 | beandog | really? |
| 23:10.20 | beandog | thats cool. |
| 23:10.37 | beandog | Then I can use them to throw at cats. |
| 23:10.55 | DexterTheDragon | still need the disc to play |
| 23:10.58 | beandog | win-win-win scenario |
| 23:11.00 | beandog | oh |
| 23:11.01 | beandog | poo |
| 23:11.02 | beandog | :C |
| 23:11.17 | SunSparc | What? No "nocd" hack yet? |
| 23:12.12 | SunSparc | beandog: Get the 4G and then: |
| 23:12.13 | SunSparc | http://www.pcworld.com/article/150970/upgrade_your_xbox_360s_hard_drive_on_the_cheap.html |
| 23:12.54 | DexterTheDragon | the 4G is the xbox slim |
| 23:12.59 | DexterTheDragon | new design and stuff |
| 23:13.20 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, oh, is that just a laptop drive? |
| 23:13.58 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: the xbox uses a laptop drive, but the firmware is set to only recognize a specific drive |
| 23:14.04 | DexterTheDragon | aka the one microsoft sales |
| 23:14.21 | beandog | Oh, k |
| 23:16.08 | DexterTheDragon | the 250G xbox is $100 more |
| 23:16.15 | DexterTheDragon | shrug |
| 23:16.29 | SunSparc | I can get a 500gb drive for that. |
| 23:16.52 | SunSparc | Heck, I can get a 1tb drive for almost that these days. |
| 23:17.47 | SunSparc | All your gigs are belong to me... |
| 23:19.47 | beandog | okay |
| 23:19.49 | beandog | I think Im outtsa. |
| 23:20.02 | beandog | Have a good weekend guys |
| 23:20.09 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:20.21 | SunSparc | ~bootkick beandog |
| 23:20.24 | beandog | Ive got 2 nephews and a niece coming to my house tonight |
| 23:20.35 | beandog | I should probably go home and clean my apt. so they can thrash it. |
| 23:20.39 | SunSparc | Nice, a console for each |
| 23:20.53 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: may the force be with you |
| 23:21.04 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, ooh |
| 23:21.08 | beandog | I should show them SWTFU |
| 23:21.17 | beandog | "See, Natalie ... this is how we destroy an AT-ST" |
| 23:21.25 | supernovia | have a good weekend, beandog :) |
| 23:21.47 | beandog | supernovia, yar |
| 23:23.41 | beandog | chau |
| 23:24.20 | supernovia | Is anyone still meeting for HP tonight? |
| 23:24.39 | mgeary | at Thanksgiving Point |
| 23:24.43 | mgeary | 9pm |
| 23:24.46 | supernovia | See, I've got mixed feelings on it |
| 23:24.49 | supernovia | I am not super into HP |
| 23:24.56 | supernovia | (tron on the other hand...) |
| 23:25.04 | supernovia | but it'd be fun to go nonetheless |
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| 23:40.22 | mindjuju | I am, El Guapo! |
| 23:41.16 | mindjuju | who here is schooled in the ways of MySQL ? |
| 23:41.21 | SunSparc | I have a plethora of El Guapo's. |
| 23:42.10 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6E682C7Jj4 |
| 23:43.55 | SunSparc | This is the scene I was thinking of. |
| 23:46.00 | SunSparc | You cannot open the petals of a flower. |
| 23:46.25 | influx | oi |
| 23:46.53 | influx | Is it possible to find out in what file a constant was defined, from another file? |
| 23:47.05 | influx | using PHP, o'course |
| 23:47.32 | SunSparc | grep it |
| 23:47.38 | influx | I don't have access to SSH |
| 23:47.44 | SunSparc | :( |
| 23:48.11 | influx | Yeah. :( |
| 23:48.26 | influx | Wait a minute. Unless... |
| 23:48.36 | influx | I can have PHP exec a grep request |
| 23:48.54 | influx | err, grep command |
| 23:49.14 | _psychic_ | if the apache user can run it or the command is in it's path |