IRC log for #uphpu on 20101117

00:00.02mgearywell
00:00.11mgearyit was already pulling them in from /etc/profile
00:00.17mgearywhen i do an interactive login
00:01.44beandogOh
00:01.46beandogWell that doesnt help
00:01.48beandogmgeary, I dunno then
00:02.01mgearywell, thanks for looking into it
00:02.31beandog:T
01:01.42funguslol
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16:33.55mgearyi really appreciate what these folks are doing: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/981.html
16:34.23mgearystop the madness of the TSA
16:43.17romanovicwhat brought this to the news again the last few days?
16:43.56mindjujuincrease in security procedure implemented Nov 1
16:44.04romanovicah
16:44.05mgearywell, it's primarily that the TSA has decided that anyone who opts out of the body scanners gets a more invasive pat down. That's relatively recent, and various incidents are now bubbling up
16:44.07mindjujuthe fit has been hitting the shan something feirce
16:44.16mindjujuas more and more people go through it
16:44.35romanovicyeah
16:44.56mgearystupid, stupid security theater
16:45.02mindjujuthere is no publically available description of the "enhanced pat down"
16:45.18romanovicheh
16:45.32mindjujubut if you google, you'll get several descritptions, and the universal elements is that gential is being pushed into to determine stuff isn't there
16:45.52mindjujuyipes!  got to go!
16:45.58l2jconan's show from a couple days ago did a rather good inerpretation about this new patdown procedure
16:46.35romanovici am behind in my conan watching...
16:47.20l2jhttp://www.tbs.com/video/index.jsp?oid=234523
16:47.44romanovici was telling l2j yesterday, I've flown around 50 times in the last 2 years, and have never been asked to subject to a patdown or scan
16:56.05SunSparclucky
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18:41.21mindjujuhi sheri
18:41.27mindjujuhow's new yrk?
18:43.37sherihi mindjuju :)
18:43.41sherirainy
18:45.41mindjujudid you get to go to brazil?
18:45.50mindjujusheri^
18:48.29sheriI didn't
18:48.37sheriBrazil sounds nice though....
18:48.51sherimy next trip, will be to SLC
18:48.54sheri:)
18:48.55mindjujui'm srry
18:49.00sherihah
18:49.00mindjujuslc!  how cool!
18:49.09sheriski trip!
18:49.41mindjujusounds like fun!  are you coming around turkey day or Christmas?
18:50.05mindjujuhope you don't mind, i'm actually hoping it DOESN'T snow this year
18:50.13mindjujudon't like shoveling it, don't like driving in it
18:54.10stderrI'll do my snow dance for an extra hour to make up for your blasphemey, mindjuju, don't worry
18:55.03mindjuju@stderr, my son feels the same way about snow as you do, curiously, he too has a snow dance
18:55.06mindjuju:)
18:55.19mindjujumaybe i should make HIM shovel it
18:58.31herloyep, good idea mindjuju
18:58.34herlobuilds character
18:58.39herloand he's definitely capable
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19:36.37mgearyanyone here used an LED monitor, rather than an LCD? There are some good deals out now on 24" LEDs...
19:38.56mindjujui have an LED flashlight
19:39.13mgeary~relevant mindjuju
19:39.48DexterTheDragonmy phone has an LED flash
19:40.17mindjuju^5 DtD
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20:40.31beandogmonin
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20:52.43mindjujumorning beandog
20:52.49beandoghows it
20:52.57stderrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/dataw0lf/5184676713/lightbox/
20:52.57mindjujuchillin
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21:26.54beandoghttp://yourmindblown.com/post/1423761195/memercoaster
21:28.11mgeary~rlart
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22:19.50l2jlolz  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/40235659#40235659
22:39.28beandogwow thats horrible
22:39.47beandogin a few ways
23:05.38SunSparcAnyone here ever hear of a company called Security Metrics?
23:08.47cachedoutyes
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23:10.58SunSparccachedout: Do you have an opinion on whether or not they are a good company to work for?
23:11.18cachedouti know they've ruined my life a few times, but to be fair that is their business model
23:11.43cachedouti have no idea what it would be like to work for them, though i'm sure they're in high demand these days with so many sites requiring PCI compliance
23:12.19SunSparcHow did they ruin your life?
23:12.50cachedoutthey do PCI-compliance testing and so as a hosting provider, we often get frantic calls from customers wanting help bringing their sites in compliance so they can process credit cards
23:13.11SunSparcAh, right.
23:13.13SunSparcI hear you.
23:13.33SunSparcI have run into that as well.
23:13.37cachedoutin the little experience i have in working with them directly, they've been more than reasonable, though
23:13.46cachedouti have nothing bad to say about them as a company
23:14.08SunSparccachedout: Ok, thank you for the feedback.
23:14.13cachedoutsure thing
23:14.22SunSparc~cachedout++
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23:18.49orsonjGotta love PCI compliance
23:18.56mgearythat's what i love about Authorize.net's CIM system. It let's you offload that to them
23:19.03mgearytotally worth the $20/month
23:19.10mgearytotally
23:19.23orsonjDoesn't work here as we are retail and actually physically touch the cards.
23:20.01orsonjbut now we are no longer the bad guys, the PCI guys are now saying what we've been saying all along.
23:20.17orsonjso, now we get to use Visa's teeth.
23:20.55orsonj"It
23:21.10orsonj"It's not us, Visa said you have to have a strong password"
23:25.31beandogI use weak passwords with strong usernames.
23:25.34beandogthat makes it more interesting.
23:25.55beandog"Hi, my username is aeWahdu1yeePoqu5vang8opha, and I'm calling about my service ...."
23:25.59carmonyusername: asldkfhwehfdsf;oiwefnl;skjfdjf03-0f;asldgjfasdf
23:26.04carmonypassword: password
23:26.51macnewbold~shouldersurf carmony
23:27.03carmonyso no meeting tomorrow?
23:27.19beandogcarmony, we're all coming to your house for thanksgiving instead
23:27.24carmonyLOL
23:27.27carmonyI won't be there
23:27.58beandogwell, just leave a key under the mat
23:28.31funguswoot, party at carmony's house
23:28.49fungusBYOB
23:28.56mindjujucarmony
23:28.58mindjujuyou around?
23:29.32mindjujuif a client is asking you to drive to their office, and let's pretend for you, the office is in Orem, would you charge them time or travel or something?
23:29.58carmonydepends
23:30.03mindjujuan old client wants me to drive down to their office, and it's WAY into salt lake, like i think its near the airport, and i say, phone conf and fax machines rock
23:30.12mindjujuelse, if you want my butt down there, you pay gas and time
23:30.17carmonyyeah
23:30.17mindjujuor at least a smoothie
23:30.18beandogmindjuju, yah, thats totally normal
23:30.21beandogit's called direct expenses
23:30.23carmonyIf it is more of a service call
23:30.25carmonythen yeah
23:30.29beandogI think we charge $.50 a mile here.
23:30.32carmonyif I was meeting a potential client
23:30.35carmonythen no
23:30.40beandogcarmony, good call
23:30.46beandogthats why we picked *your* house.
23:30.52carmonylol
23:30.56mindjujuwell, it's a client that i had that wants more work now
23:31.02mindjujuhad client like a year ago
23:31.17beandogmindjuju, if its prospective, Id eat the cost.  Besides, when you're in SLC, you can partee with me.
23:31.20beandogand fungus
23:32.07mindjujuwell, it would put me down in salt lake at 8p
23:32.16mindjujumaybe we could do uphpu after hours on friday
23:32.25beandogmindjuju, wait, where in SLC
23:32.26mindjujuat the drapper applebees even
23:32.39mindjujui'll check
23:32.42beandogTo people in SLC, SLC = SLC.  To people from Orem, SLC = anything north of Lehi.
23:34.12mindjujuthey are at 1000s block of slc
23:34.46beandogoh okay
23:35.42mgearyi just bill the client for the travel time. That comes to way more than a per-mile fee would
23:36.17mgearybut my time is my time, whether i'm coding, managing, or driving
23:36.27beandogmindjuju, this is what you do, show up and say, "Well, I'm ready for dinner!  Where did you say we were going?"
23:36.48DexterTheDragonbeandog: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/17/ultimate-kitten-snug.html
23:37.12macnewboldmindjuju: at cg when they make us travel, we generally do the travel time on the clock. then it covers gas etc too.
23:37.35macnewboldlike mgeary says, time is time - if you want me to drive for you instead of code, that's up to you
23:37.40beandogDexterTheDragon, lol nice
23:38.36mindjujuso we doing uphpu after hours on friday night at applebees?
23:39.00herlofriday??
23:39.05mindjujufriday
23:39.12herlowhat happened to Thursday
23:39.13mindjujuif i have to drive up to meet with client, then i'll be up there
23:39.20mindjujui have school thursday
23:39.23mindjujucs and bio
23:39.31mindjujufriday
23:39.34mindjuju8p
23:39.44mindjujufungus can order all the cosmos he wants
23:39.55mindjujusupernovia can have all the hot wings
23:40.06mindjujuwell, i mean, they'd have to pay for them
23:40.08mindjujui'm broke
23:40.11mindjuju:)
23:40.43herlolol
23:40.44beandogDexterTheDragon, whats your middle name?
23:40.56beandogquick!
23:41.00DexterTheDragonbeandog: whats your ssn?
23:41.16beandogDexterTheDragon, hurry up, I'm applying for a VISA
23:41.46fungusbeandog, Duh!  his middle name is "the"
23:42.01beandogfungus, heh
23:43.14mindjujuno on applebees then?
23:43.40fungusI'm up for it.
23:43.43beandogthat'll leave a stain
23:43.51macnewboldhmmm… applebees and HP7
23:44.05fungusthat sounds even better
23:44.14mindjujuwhen y'all going?
23:44.18mindjujudoubledoor died!
23:44.45funguslol
23:45.02mindjujuwhat's worse, it was hans gruber that killed him
23:47.02fungusI thought it was Snipe
23:47.20mindjujunope hans gruber
23:47.20beandogwhoosh
23:47.29beandogI got that one. :)
23:47.40mindjuju:)
23:47.46fungusmindjuju, wrong.  It was snipe that killed doubledoor
23:47.55mindjuju~wiki hans gruber
23:48.06beandog~revoke fungus' movie cred
23:48.06ibotACTION confiscates and destroys fungus' movie cred's DNRC membership certificate
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23:48.35beandogoh wait, I thought of the wrong person
23:48.43mindjujuah supernovia, we were just talking about you
23:48.44beandog~shame beandog
23:48.44ibotShame on you beandog!
23:48.47mindjujubut in a good way
23:48.51beandog~reinstate fungus
23:48.54supernoviaHey mindjuju! :)
23:48.58mindjujuhere is hans gruber
23:48.59mindjujuhttp://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=hans+gruber
23:49.08mindjujusupernovia, tell these guys hans gruber killed doubledoor
23:49.37beandogOh wait
23:49.41beandogI *did* get it right the first time
23:49.41supernoviaUhhh
23:49.43beandog~win beandog
23:49.44ibotCongratulations, beandog! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad!
23:49.48beandoglol
23:49.53supernoviaw00t
23:50.04beandogfungus, die hard
23:50.05supernoviaI don't know this hans gruber :S
23:50.30DexterTheDragonsupernovia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Gruber
23:50.32fungusbeandog, I know who hans gruber is.  But he didn't kill doubledoor.  It was Snipe
23:50.33mindjujuhans gruber = alan rickman = snape
23:51.15mgearyeh? eh?
23:51.18mgeary~SunSparc
23:51.19ibotsomebody said sunsparc was A pandimensional being, or the internationalization specialist, or currently studying String Theory, or <3 7of9
23:51.27beandog~dead jim
23:51.33mindjuju@mgeary, yes, i'll have one of those please, but hold the onions
23:51.54beandogsupernovia, thats why we make fun of you when you leave
23:52.07mgearymindjuju: well, that was a lame play on words. You see "grübeln" is german for a sort of pondering, so i was pondering over your statement
23:52.20mgearygrübeln / gruber
23:52.22mgearywhatever
23:52.35supernoviathat's why I gotta keep working to catch up :)
23:52.47supernovia7 of 9 eh?
23:53.01SunSparc:)
23:53.05mindjujupsh, 7 0f 9 is overrated
23:53.13mindjujuit's dr. crusher whose the hawtie there
23:53.22SunSparc7of9 is Borg
23:53.27DexterTheDragon~mindjuju
23:53.27ibot[mindjuju] sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or a Texan, or wears his snuggie in the buff, or  has a thing for hawt sitcom moms, or likes ponicals
23:53.37mindjujuthat's true about my left eye
23:53.56mindjujuwhich coincidentally, isn't my good eye that i used to scan the #uphpu chan with upon arriving
23:53.57fungusmindjuju, imagine the tools a borg can use....  
23:53.59beandogit's all true
23:54.22beandog~ponical
23:54.27mindjuju~ponicals
23:54.37beandogibot, ponical is a my little pony musical that mindjuju watches
23:54.37ibotokay, beandog
23:54.41beandog~ponical
23:54.41ibothmm... ponical is a my little pony musical that mindjuju watches
23:54.42supernoviahehe
23:55.08mindjujuoh that my little pony musical i posted months ago
23:55.19mindjujuyeah, i was demented to watch nearly 5 minutes of that
23:55.22beandogmindjuju, your history follows you wherever you go.
23:55.26beandogwelcome to the internets.
23:55.28SunSparcNight all.
23:55.40supernoviaspakoi there sunsparc
23:57.48beandogmindjuju, so whats the latest plan for Friday
23:57.59beandogfungus, do you think HP is gonna sell out?
23:58.07mindjujufungus, where you going to watch hp?
23:58.15fungusin some theaters, yes, but not all
23:58.32supernoviawhich theater are ya'll planning on?
23:59.02mindjujudoes fungus even want us crashing his party?
23:59.04macnewboldy'all doing midnight showings, or something else?
23:59.25mindjujuwell, it's still very up in the air, but here is what we got so far
23:59.29fungusI'm open on Friday.
23:59.55mindjujuI'm going to be downtown SLC on friday, beandog suggested we do something, so i suggested uphpu after hours in draper, to which fungus suggested applebees + hp7

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