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| 16:50.09 | carmony | hey macnewbold |
| 16:50.24 | mindjuju | hay is for horses |
| 16:50.29 | carmony | lol |
| 16:50.35 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 16:58.18 | josephscott | the comeback is "and cows like you" |
| 16:58.34 | josephscott | welcome to 4th grade :-) |
| 16:58.52 | mindjuju | i've always used "but straw is much cheaper" as the retort |
| 16:59.14 | mindjuju | this looks like it could be fun |
| 16:59.15 | mindjuju | http://www.brandsdragon.com/products/product_10720.htm?utm_source=BenchmarkEmail&utm_campaign=Nov21111_20112190_Ema18il_brandsdragon_Copy_Copy_C&utm_medium=email |
| 16:59.20 | mindjuju | cell phone jammer |
| 17:00.31 | mindjuju | oh how funny |
| 17:00.49 | mindjuju | that website, davis micro that i posted above, they stole the left side nav from amazon.com |
| 17:01.55 | mindjuju | well, if you're going to be selling cheaply made knock-offs, why not steal HTML code too? |
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| 17:06.48 | macnewbold | carmony: sup! |
| 17:06.59 | macnewbold | you giving a little somethin somethin for uphpu this week? |
| 17:07.34 | carmony | well, I was going to talk to you about that. So, Joanna got us tickets for HP7, the midnight showing, so I might not be making it out this week |
| 17:08.51 | mindjuju | HP Spoiler! Hermoine marries Harry and ditches Ron! |
| 17:09.02 | mindjuju | carmony ^ |
| 17:09.12 | carmony | LOL |
| 17:09.21 | mindjuju | oh, and doubledoor dies |
| 17:09.30 | mindjuju | but i think that was last movie |
| 17:09.33 | unum | that's in #6 |
| 17:09.34 | unum | ya |
| 17:09.54 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:09.57 | fungus | "doubledoor" lol |
| 17:10.04 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:10.16 | mindjuju | how even do you spell his name? |
| 17:10.23 | _psychic_ | http://i.imgur.com/tGtyz.jpg |
| 17:10.44 | fungus | Dumbledore |
| 17:11.01 | mindjuju | that's awesome _psychic_ |
| 17:11.05 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 17:11.52 | josephscott | going to see HP7.1 with the wife on Friday, I'll have "doubledoor" in my head the whole time now :-) |
| 17:12.04 | mindjuju | heh, sorry! |
| 17:12.56 | carmony | lol |
| 17:13.03 | carmony | ok, so I got this email for a new Microsoft Product... |
| 17:13.06 | mindjuju | i think i'll wait until 7.2 to watch 7.1 |
| 17:13.08 | carmony | called Lync |
| 17:13.09 | mindjuju | i hate cliffhangers |
| 17:13.29 | carmony | and I find it ironic that it is a collaboration tool, that is on H away from being called Lynch |
| 17:13.59 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:14.55 | carmony | I have a buddy to works for a heavily MS shop, and his latest observation made me laugh |
| 17:15.08 | mindjuju | i took Corban to Toys R Us on Saturday to visit what he wants for Christmas. Somedays I wish that was my biggest stress, wondering if you'll get socks for Christmas or no |
| 17:15.52 | carmony | lately, Microsoft has just been combining two products into one product, and slapping on a new name |
| 17:16.02 | carmony | I can't remember all the things he listed, but it was pretty funny |
| 17:16.56 | josephscott | bro-in-law said he is really excited to be learning .NET MVC2 |
| 17:17.18 | josephscott | not sure why MVC in .NET is a big deal |
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| 17:21.17 | beandog | monin |
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| 17:25.21 | mindjuju | morning beandog |
| 17:26.26 | beandog | mindjuju, morning. hows your bronchitis? |
| 17:27.02 | mindjuju | uh, i've never actually had bronchitis |
| 17:27.07 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:27.11 | beandog | mindjuju, oh, good to hear its doing better than |
| 17:27.38 | macnewbold | carmony: mindjuju: everyone else: any thoughts on whether we should cancel/postpone this month's meeting? |
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| 17:27.50 | macnewbold | if people are going to HP7, then i'm not sure how many will even be there |
| 17:27.59 | beandog | HP7? |
| 17:28.08 | mindjuju | harry potter and doubledoor |
| 17:28.16 | beandog | doubledoor?? |
| 17:28.20 | mindjuju | you know, kid w/ lightning scar |
| 17:28.25 | beandog | Oh. Right. |
| 17:31.32 | mgeary | hey, someone remind me how i can get mysql to free up disk space after a very large table has been truncated |
| 17:31.58 | _psychic_ | rm -rf /var/mysql/data |
| 17:32.05 | mgeary | ah, right. thanks |
| 17:32.08 | mgeary | ;) |
| 17:32.10 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 17:32.40 | beandog | /var/lib/mysql/data on mine |
| 17:32.44 | _psychic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.52 | _psychic_ | I *think* that frees some up, but I can't remember |
| 17:33.38 | mgeary | yeah, that did it. thanks |
| 17:33.53 | beandog | did it? for your job? |
| 17:34.20 | mgeary | beandog: optimize did, you silly goose |
| 17:34.23 | mgeary | ~silly goose beandog |
| 17:34.25 | beandog | Oh. |
| 17:34.31 | mgeary | ~rce |
| 17:34.31 | ibot | from memory, rce is Resume-Changing Experience: an event caused by such boneheadedness that the only good that comes of it is the opportunity to freshen up your resume as you abandon all hope of keeping your current job |
| 17:34.37 | beandog | rce? lol, nice. |
| 17:34.51 | mgeary | though i thought it was *Event, not Experience |
| 17:35.17 | macnewbold | any strong opinions about whether or not to have a meeting on Thursday? so far nobody but me is willing to present, and carmony won't even be there... |
| 17:35.38 | beandog | macnewbold, whats yer topic |
| 17:35.47 | mindjuju | web services + PHP |
| 17:35.51 | beandog | ooh |
| 17:36.05 | beandog | like rest? |
| 17:37.04 | beandog | ~rest |
| 17:37.04 | ibot | from memory, rest is Representational State Transfer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REST |
| 17:37.08 | beandog | that rest ^^ |
| 17:37.30 | mindjuju | i think mac likes SOAP |
| 17:37.33 | mindjuju | ~soap |
| 17:37.33 | ibot | ACTION bends over to pick up the soap, winking suggestively. |
| 17:37.42 | beandog | lol horrible |
| 17:37.43 | mindjuju | oh my |
| 17:39.10 | mindjuju | course though, i've always thought RFC 4824 was better at web services than either soap or rest |
| 17:39.59 | beandog | mindjuju, whtas that |
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| 17:44.29 | josephscott | but does your web service support HTTP status code 418? |
| 17:45.04 | _psychic_ | heh |
| 17:45.40 | _psychic_ | Pretty sure the response has to be in HTCPCP |
| 17:46.39 | josephscott | that's the hyper text documents, 418 is for the HTTP layer :) |
| 17:50.56 | macnewbold | mindjuju: how dare you! I do _not_ like SOAP |
| 17:51.24 | mindjuju | psh posh |
| 17:51.26 | macnewbold | i tolerate it when I have to, but i like rest better |
| 17:51.50 | macnewbold | ~rfc 4824 |
| 17:51.56 | josephscott | SOAP, it is neither simple nor clean |
| 17:53.04 | SunSparc | beandog: I cannot believe someone called the police because UPS left a Amazon package they had ordered on their doorstep, thinking it was a bomb or something. |
| 17:53.21 | josephscott | you can order bombs from Amazon? |
| 17:54.50 | herlo | oh, the new skullcandy.com is SPEEDY!! I loves it! Soo awesome is memcached and eaccelerator :) |
| 17:54.54 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:55.06 | mindjuju | happy bday herlo! |
| 17:55.10 | mindjuju | ~spank herlo |
| 17:55.10 | ibot | ACTION bends herlo over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on herlo's pasty white buttocks. |
| 17:55.21 | herlo | mindjuju: haha, thanks |
| 17:56.33 | thebigdog | herlo: i just love my candy |
| 17:57.02 | herlo | thebigdog: but candy for your skull is even bettars! |
| 17:57.24 | herlo | thebigdog: these are mine! http://www.skullcandy.com/shop/fmj-shoe-blue.html |
| 17:57.36 | josephscott | herlo: perhaps you can convince skullcandy.com to enable HTTP compression? |
| 17:57.43 | thebigdog | herlo: i use and abuse hesh shattered grey |
| 17:57.49 | herlo | josephscott: it's not? |
| 17:58.00 | thebigdog | herlo: http://www.skullcandy.com/shop/hesh-shattered-gray.html |
| 17:58.04 | josephscott | http://skullcandy.com/min/b=js&f=jquery.cycle.all.min.js,swfobject.js,homepage.js,popup.js |
| 17:58.09 | herlo | josephscott: we migrated to the new site |
| 17:58.11 | josephscott | http://skullcandy.com/min/f=css/homepagev2.css |
| 17:58.11 | herlo | today |
| 17:58.19 | josephscott | both return uncompressed responses |
| 17:58.26 | herlo | josephscott: oh, yeah, we're going to do that and minify too |
| 17:58.27 | josephscott | herlo: you working for skullcandy now? |
| 17:58.34 | herlo | josephscott: as a contractor, yes |
| 17:58.50 | herlo | the new site is 65%+ faster than the old one |
| 17:58.54 | josephscott | production web server has a check list before going live right? HTTP compression support should be on the list |
| 17:59.16 | josephscott | would cut the page weight by 5% |
| 17:59.30 | josephscott | not huge, but the front page is 2MB |
| 17:59.33 | herlo | josephscott: we're using mod_deflate, I'm not a front end guy so much. Looking into what you are talking about |
| 17:59.45 | josephscott | herlo: http://www.webpagetest.org/result/101115_BYYK/ |
| 17:59.53 | herlo | josephscott: yeah, using yslow too |
| 18:00.10 | josephscott | HTTP compression is a server level config :-) |
| 18:01.25 | josephscott | herlo: 65% faster as measured by client fully loaded time? |
| 18:01.47 | herlo | josephscott: abgraph |
| 18:01.53 | herlo | and yes |
| 18:04.18 | herlo | josephscott: oh, btw, I saw those before, it's in the works. Trust me, this is a billion times better for these guys. We still have tons of performance improvements to do... |
| 18:04.27 | herlo | yslow gives similar grades |
| 18:04.52 | josephscott | no doubt |
| 18:05.38 | josephscott | just asking exactly what you are measuring, I've found many people aren't actually looking at client experience, instead focusing on just a single fraction of the whole |
| 18:06.05 | mindjuju | i wish i had the background to understand this better |
| 18:06.05 | mindjuju | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/the-apple-oracle-plot-against-open-source/7774 |
| 18:07.09 | herlo | josephscott: oh, we have about 40 pages we are evaluating, plus add to cart and other pages too |
| 18:07.43 | josephscott | the water fall is a good example of why this is important - http://www.webpagetest.org/result/101115_BZ09/1/details/ |
| 18:07.58 | josephscott | the original HTTP request for the site took less than 300ms |
| 18:08.14 | josephscott | the fully loaded page time was 3.2 seconds |
| 18:08.58 | josephscott | I'm (definitely) not saying making the server respond faster isn't important, but that may turn out to be a tiny fraction of what is slow about the site |
| 18:09.39 | herlo | yeah, we're going to be working on the stuff you are pointing out in the near future...our shop pages are under 2 seconds most of the time |
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| 18:10.53 | herlo | thebigdog: those are some nice headphones |
| 18:11.03 | herlo | I have me the paul frank hesh :) |
| 18:12.30 | thebigdog | herlo: yeah they are amazing...i love to really wear them at home |
| 18:12.56 | herlo | hehe, I bet |
| 18:13.08 | thebigdog | helps when i rock the killer toons and coding like a mad man |
| 18:13.20 | thebigdog | i have never really like the buds |
| 18:13.28 | thebigdog | i love the overs so much better |
| 18:15.35 | beandog | josephscott knows his shtuff |
| 18:16.29 | josephscott | I just want the web to be faster :-) |
| 18:16.30 | mindjuju | you finally listening to techno thebigdog? |
| 18:17.53 | thebigdog | mindjuju: heavens no |
| 18:17.58 | herlo | lol |
| 18:18.12 | mindjuju | fail : (11:13:07 AM) thebigdog: helps when i rock the killer toons and coding like a mad man |
| 18:18.23 | mindjuju | not techno, not tunes |
| 18:18.26 | herlo | mindjuju: there is more than techno in the world |
| 18:18.27 | thebigdog | i have been listening to a lot of indy music |
| 18:18.46 | mindjuju | @herlo, agreed, there is dubstep, goa/psy, etc |
| 18:19.01 | mindjuju | and herb albert and the Tijuana brass |
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| 18:20.25 | thebigdog | mindjuju: http://www.last.fm/user/bigdog_ut/library enjoy brother! |
| 18:20.55 | thebigdog | i guess there is some light weight stuff |
| 18:21.07 | mindjuju | i don't see anything with a synth |
| 18:21.32 | mindjuju | hey, danny elfman, you DO have some good tastes! |
| 18:21.57 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:22.11 | thebigdog | fink has a little |
| 18:22.13 | thebigdog | not much though |
| 18:22.19 | herlo | mindjuju: but there's more than just that too, trance, ambient, groove, chill, etc are also very awesome to code or work while listening |
| 18:22.33 | mindjuju | @herlo, true that |
| 18:22.37 | herlo | :) |
| 18:22.43 | mindjuju | ambient and chill good for sleeping |
| 18:22.57 | herlo | heh |
| 18:23.12 | herlo | I can sleep to those, but I prefer to work to them |
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| 19:06.05 | itimber | techno++ |
| 19:07.44 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 19:07.44 | ibot | throws brasto's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 19:08.00 | josephscott | ~save the little doggy |
| 19:08.00 | ibot | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves the little doggy from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 19:09.17 | itimber | well... was it before or after throwing it off the cliff?? |
| 19:15.41 | mgeary | she saved it, and then threw it |
| 19:28.45 | brasto | dude, hit by another rlart! |
| 19:28.51 | brasto | what are the odds! |
| 19:28.54 | brasto | lol |
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| 19:38.35 | mgeary | hey mindjuju |
| 19:38.56 | mgeary | to where do you trace your heritage? |
| 19:39.07 | mgeary | are you familiar with Mexico at all? |
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| 19:39.37 | mgeary | i'm heading down to the Baja peninsula for the first time next week (first time in Mexico) |
| 19:57.31 | mindjuju | @mgeary, both in San Antonio, Tx, both parents naturalized US from Mexico |
| 19:57.42 | mindjuju | have lived in Monterry, Mexico for a couple years |
| 19:57.54 | mgeary | you familiar with Baja at all? |
| 19:57.56 | mindjuju | though have visited other parts including the DF, Mazatlan, etc |
| 19:58.01 | mindjuju | nope, not baja |
| 19:58.35 | mgeary | going down to volunteer in an orphanage with my son next week. Should be interesting |
| 19:58.35 | mindjuju | though, i'd say the political climate has changed since i was last down there 10 yrs ago |
| 19:59.06 | mindjuju | notify the local consulate that you'll be there and give them the details of your stay, is what i'd recommend |
| 20:00.13 | mindjuju | http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_970.html |
| 20:02.33 | mindjuju | i'm not posting that to freak you out, but i believe in being safe when traveling |
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| 20:04.06 | mgeary | yeah, i read that last night |
| 20:04.59 | mgeary | it's crazy how messed up so much of Mexico is (appears to be) |
| 20:05.38 | mgeary | i like how if there's a traffic accident, standard policy is to put everyone in jail until blame gets worked out |
| 20:05.42 | mindjuju | well, it's always had issues (me can think of several times family car pulled over by police where a bribe was sollicted |
| 20:05.47 | mgeary | and this little gem, "Mexico is party to several international anti-torture conventions, and the Mexican Constitution and Mexican law accordingly prohibit torture; however, Mexican police regularly obtain information through torture, and courts continue to admit as evidence confessions extracted under torture." |
| 20:06.35 | mindjuju | but you're right, it has gotten worse |
| 20:08.28 | brasto | ~rlart |
| 20:08.29 | ibot | gives wps a good seeing to |
| 20:08.51 | brasto | ~rlart |
| 20:08.51 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses fungus's head to break the homerun record |
| 20:09.10 | brasto | cool, got two of the big-wigs in a row! |
| 20:09.53 | fungus | lol, me? |
| 20:10.10 | mgeary | that's a nice wig you've got, fungus |
| 20:10.12 | fungus | my hair is not that big. |
| 20:10.28 | mgeary | that's what they all think |
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| 20:20.03 | mindjuju | so does anybody know anything about Facebook's "We promise this isn't an email service" Email service ? |
| 20:20.05 | mindjuju | http://blogs.forbes.com/mikeisaac/2010/11/15/facebook-email-announcement-by-the-numbers/ |
| 20:20.13 | mindjuju | i'm trying to find out the differences |
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| 20:33.14 | carmony | maybe it's facebook wave! |
| 20:33.17 | carmony | :P |
| 20:35.34 | mindjuju | wave, looked cool, but couldn't figure out what to do with it |
| 20:37.40 | carmony | yeah |
| 20:38.11 | ninnypants | the only use I found for wave was brain storming with a group |
| 20:39.56 | mindjuju | did you use it beyond that one time? |
| 20:45.34 | thebigdog | mgeary: i love that group |
| 20:45.42 | mgeary | thebigdog: i'm just getting familiar with them |
| 20:45.54 | mgeary | but it's 70/30 in favor of, so far |
| 20:48.15 | influx | You kids still going to see Tron Legacy? |
| 20:48.29 | influx | Even if you don't have the numbers to rent out a room? |
| 20:54.25 | ninnypants | mindjuju: not a whole lot influx and I tried using it for project documentation but it didn't work the best |
| 21:07.08 | influx | Correct. |
| 21:11.25 | mindjuju | thebigdog, you around? |
| 21:22.39 | mgeary | hey fungus, how's your rsyncd.conf-fu? |
| 21:23.11 | fungus | don't use rsyncd. never have. |
| 21:23.31 | fungus | ssh has always sufficed for me. |
| 21:23.55 | mgeary | ~boggle fungus |
| 21:23.55 | ibot | ACTION stares in flabbergasted astonishment at fungus |
| 21:24.12 | mgeary | so, do you use scp to transfer files? |
| 21:24.29 | fungus | no rsync |
| 21:24.44 | fungus | rsync by default transfers files over SSH |
| 21:24.57 | mgeary | aha, okay, that's what i do as well |
| 21:24.58 | fungus | rsyncd is a separate daemon that can be used instead of ssh |
| 21:25.23 | fungus | can be good for anonymous distribution w/o authentication |
| 21:25.34 | mgeary | but rsync is still needed on the receiving machine |
| 21:25.54 | mindjuju | anybody here know mysql storage engines well enough to chat? |
| 21:26.21 | beandog | mindjuju, uh, mebbe |
| 21:26.24 | beandog | mindjuju, ask josephscott |
| 21:26.31 | josephscott | ? |
| 21:26.56 | josephscott | mysql storage engines, I know some |
| 21:26.58 | mindjuju | @josephscott, I've been reading this - http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/storage-engines.html#id1890066 |
| 21:27.23 | mindjuju | i want to convert company website from myisam to innodb because innodb allows for hot backups |
| 21:27.55 | beandog | innodb++ |
| 21:28.01 | beandog | they both have their pros and cons |
| 21:28.05 | mindjuju | i'm not sure i understand "Backup / point-in-time recovery" |
| 21:28.13 | mindjuju | listed at the bottom of the page |
| 21:28.15 | beandog | I opted to have all the features of both myisam and innodb, and chose postgres :D |
| 21:28.23 | mindjuju | i wish |
| 21:28.45 | mgeary | i don't like innodb |
| 21:28.46 | mindjuju | from the stuff that eggyknap presented last time he did, postgres offers some crazy advanced features |
| 21:28.52 | mindjuju | mgeary, why not? |
| 21:29.30 | josephscott | in general, unless you have a good reason not to, always use innodb |
| 21:29.32 | mgeary | mindjuju: in my research and reading (from years ago, mind you) i got the general impression that innodb tables were more fragile and prone to problems |
| 21:29.48 | josephscott | and there are cases where there are good reasons, but they are not common for most folks |
| 21:29.58 | mindjuju | curious, i just read that innodb is better at handlinga crash than myisam |
| 21:30.00 | josephscott | mgeary: generally the opposite is true |
| 21:30.07 | josephscott | innodb does crash recovery |
| 21:30.09 | mgeary | could well be |
| 21:30.12 | josephscott | myisam just dies :-) |
| 21:30.28 | josephscott | if a server goes down in a mess myisam will just be a mess |
| 21:30.32 | cachedout | Catastrophic Failure as a Service |
| 21:30.39 | cachedout | CFaaS |
| 21:30.50 | mgeary | hahah |
| 21:30.51 | mindjuju | i was reading though, that there is a innodb is a little slower than myisam |
| 21:30.55 | mindjuju | is it noticable slower? |
| 21:30.58 | eggyknap | One nice thing about myisam is it's most common failure case is really well understood, so you can have "repair table", which just assumes that one thing has gone wrong, and fixes it. |
| 21:31.05 | josephscott | mindjuju: depends on the work load, can be faster for some |
| 21:31.06 | eggyknap | s/it's/its/ |
| 21:31.25 | beandog | If youre worried about HA, look into that. |
| 21:31.26 | josephscott | as for the future, consider myisam dead |
| 21:31.34 | eggyknap | Slower-but-not-losing-data is typically better than fast-but-losing-data-all-the-time |
| 21:31.39 | josephscott | innodb is the new default table type in newer MySQL versions |
| 21:31.51 | beandog | josephscott, you think myisam is gonna get phased out? intresting. |
| 21:31.56 | mindjuju | what about innodb not supporting full text search |
| 21:32.09 | josephscott | that's one of those cases where you have to use myisam :-) |
| 21:32.10 | mindjuju | @beandog, i read it isn't the default storage engine as of 5.1 |
| 21:32.14 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: psh if Oracle has their way they will phase out mysql |
| 21:32.25 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, true dat. psql ftw! |
| 21:32.42 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: makes for a good head line, but I'm not convinced that is true |
| 21:32.52 | josephscott | they've owned innodb for years and haven't killed it yet |
| 21:32.57 | josephscott | they've even improved it |
| 21:33.00 | beandog | mindjuju, http://www.amazon.com/MySQL-High-Availability-Building-Centers/dp/0596807309/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1289856771&sr=8-1 |
| 21:33.05 | mindjuju | yar, i got to ask the devs to see how they made their new search engine, switch to innodb may not be feasible |
| 21:33.17 | josephscott | mindjuju: if you want to use FT then I generally recommend a separate table just for that |
| 21:33.37 | mindjuju | i just read that you can mix engine and table type |
| 21:33.38 | josephscott | basically just dupe the data to make use of FT |
| 21:33.53 | mindjuju | but i wondered how that works in a backup scenario |
| 21:34.04 | mindjuju | oh that's a good call on FT |
| 21:34.05 | josephscott | another option is to use something like sphinx for search, which can tie into your MySQL data |
| 21:34.34 | mindjuju | well, i'm going to ask the devs about their new search, but from what i read, i'm switching this over |
| 21:35.06 | josephscott | yep, innodb should be the default |
| 21:35.20 | josephscott | only use something else (like myisam) for specific cases that warrant it |
| 21:39.13 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 21:39.13 | ibot | takes out cedwards with the trash |
| 21:39.43 | thebigdog | mindjuju: i am around now |
| 21:41.20 | thebigdog | mindjuju: why not use postgresql? |
| 21:41.44 | jsmith | Amen, brother! |
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| 21:42.49 | carmony_ | bah |
| 21:42.52 | carmony_ | my net is having issues |
| 21:42.53 | carmony_ | lame |
| 21:43.00 | josephscott | I like postgresql |
| 21:43.43 | herlo | josephscott: FT? |
| 21:43.52 | josephscott | full-text |
| 21:44.58 | jsmith | eggyknap: That day could be today |
| 21:45.07 | eggyknap | No it couldn't. Sick family. :) |
| 21:45.29 | jsmith | That could be tomorrow |
| 21:45.51 | eggyknap | Possibly :) |
| 21:46.14 | jsmith | Or maybe you won't sleep tonight, and you'll have long stretches of uninterrupted time to dive into PostgreSQL |
| 21:46.26 | herlo | josephscott: oh, okay |
| 21:46.28 | herlo | thanx |
| 21:48.12 | thebigdog | sphinx + pgsql ftw |
| 21:48.45 | jsmith | thebigdog: What, no love for Varnish? |
| 21:49.04 | thebigdog | na |
| 21:49.24 | thebigdog | varnish is more of a cache though |
| 21:49.39 | thebigdog | sphinx is for searching like lucene |
| 21:49.56 | thebigdog | so technically you could have them both running |
| 21:50.43 | jsmith | Oh, gotcha... you said sphinx, and I read squid |
| 21:50.48 | herlo | lol |
| 21:50.52 | herlo | varnish is cool |
| 21:50.56 | jsmith | herlo: Amen, brother! |
| 21:50.59 | herlo | :P |
| 21:51.01 | jsmith | herlo: How's it going, btw? |
| 21:51.19 | josephscott | the biggest challenge we've had with varnish is the memory limitation |
| 21:51.24 | herlo | jsmith: launched the new skullcandy.com this morning. Blazing fast. But as josephscott has already pointed out, much more improvements to go |
| 21:51.33 | herlo | otherwise, life is good! |
| 21:51.40 | jsmith | herlo: Glad to hear it :-) |
| 21:52.10 | josephscott | herlo: didn't mean to rain on the parade, I've been trying to convince every site I come across to support HTTP keep-alive and compression |
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| 21:52.35 | mindjuju | true that, he's already gotten on to me about it |
| 21:53.28 | herlo | josephscott: http keep-alive is actually recommended off for magento |
| 21:53.36 | josephscott | why? |
| 21:53.55 | beandog | my boss wants me to make a bed intruder ringtone |
| 21:53.56 | josephscott | are they selling support contracts on how to make it faster? |
| 21:53.59 | herlo | I can't recall off hand, we played with it though and keep-alive was definitely more performant |
| 21:54.24 | herlo | josephscott: we didn't pay for anything, but read *several* reports and did our own testing and it proved to be the case |
| 21:54.27 | cachedout | they only recommend that if you're using mod_php, fwiw |
| 21:54.47 | herlo | http compression otoh, I can concur, it just didn't happen yet. But trust me, we're way way faster already |
| 21:54.52 | josephscott | does magento require it's own proprietary web server? |
| 21:54.56 | herlo | no |
| 21:55.07 | josephscott | then what difference should it make to magento? |
| 21:55.09 | herlo | but nginx actually can make it faster too, we're currently on apache... |
| 21:55.39 | cachedout | it doesn't make any difference. they recommend it because magento procs are so huge and with mod_php the concern is that you have a lot of huge procs sitting around waiting for requests. |
| 21:55.52 | cachedout | so it's a memory "saver" if you will. |
| 21:55.55 | thebigdog | but one thing you dont want to do is just go willy nilly and make a ton of changes with post analysis |
| 21:56.07 | cachedout | that said, i think some of the magento performance tuning guidelines are hokey |
| 21:56.48 | herlo | josephscott: here's something on nginx, I'm looking for the recommendation I got... |
| 21:56.51 | herlo | http://www.magentocommerce.com/wiki/groups/168/nginx_vs_litespeed_-_magento_benchmark_tests |
| 21:56.59 | josephscott | interesting, didn't realize magento was such a pig |
| 21:57.08 | herlo | oh, litespeed is what they recommended to us originally |
| 21:57.08 | cachedout | it's the piggiest |
| 21:57.14 | herlo | cachedout: agreed |
| 21:57.58 | cachedout | we frequently see 100M+ apache procs. |
| 21:58.35 | josephscott | nginx is wicked awesome |
| 21:58.46 | josephscott | cachedout: perhaps moved to fastcgi then? |
| 21:58.54 | beandog | fastcgi++ |
| 21:59.04 | herlo | josephscott: yes, it sure is awesome! |
| 21:59.39 | josephscott | it isn't just that it provides great performance, it does so using very few resources (CPU/RAM) |
| 21:59.50 | josephscott | and people have written some crazy stuff |
| 22:00.05 | josephscott | there is a libdrizzle module that people use for nginx to talk directly to mysql |
| 22:00.11 | josephscott | same for things like memcache and redis |
| 22:00.22 | josephscott | which makes for really, really fast data look up |
| 22:00.31 | josephscott | and some interesting caching techniques |
| 22:01.23 | josephscott | on HTTP compression, I've been trying to convince byu.edu to enable it. up hill conversation so far :-( |
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| 22:08.20 | mgeary | josephscott: what connection do you have with byu.edu? |
| 22:08.30 | cro | josephscott: What's byu.edu worried about? It's practically transparent. I had it enabled years ago on production sites and I don't think we ever got a support call or complaint about it. |
| 22:12.35 | mindjuju | @mgeary - josephscott is like Kane on Kung fu. he travels the countryside looking for his lost brother and in the episode talking to people about the benefits of open standards and HTTP compression |
| 22:13.04 | mindjuju | in fact, the only difference is that josephscott has hair |
| 22:15.20 | josephscott | mgeary: I have none, other than I want sites to be faster. |
| 22:15.27 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:15.28 | mgeary | right on |
| 22:15.34 | josephscott | church is paying for that bandwidth, may as well use it better |
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| 22:16.01 | mindjuju | what about your quest for your lost brother? |
| 22:16.20 | josephscott | :-) |
| 22:16.56 | josephscott | think of all the increased network and server capacity we'd have it everyone used keep-alive and compression |
| 22:18.26 | josephscott | cro: if I can make the full page load time for your site go from 8 seconds to 5, and at the same time increase the capacity of your network and servers, wouldn't that be worth something? Even if no had ever called in to complain? |
| 22:21.13 | mindjuju | ~josephscott |
| 22:21.25 | mindjuju | curious, no factoid |
| 22:21.26 | josephscott | I'm unknowable :-) |
| 22:21.32 | mindjuju | this must be remedied! |
| 22:22.56 | josephscott | interesting, facebook went with hbase for the new messaging system - http://hbase.apache.org/ |
| 22:23.32 | josephscott | instead of mysql or cassandra |
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| 23:35.42 | beandog | did you guys ever decide on thursday's mtg.? |
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| 23:47.27 | mindjuju | @beandog, i think it's called off until January |
| 23:47.33 | mindjuju | @macnewbold, is that right? |
| 23:47.40 | mindjuju | Jan for the first uphpu meet? |
| 23:47.48 | beandog | okay |
| 23:48.02 | mindjuju | well, don't quote me on that, macnewbold is el presidente |
| 23:48.05 | mindjuju | el jefe |
| 23:48.08 | mindjuju | the big man |
| 23:48.11 | mindjuju | top dawg |
| 23:48.13 | mindjuju | big cheese |
| 23:55.14 | josephscott | ~top-dog |
