| 00:00.26 | SunSparc | orsonj: lol, perfect |
| 00:01.54 | beandog | any xsl users around |
| 00:03.24 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 00:03.31 | mindjuju | i found what i'm getting you for christmas |
| 00:03.33 | beandog | mindjuju, Im trying to figure somethin gout |
| 00:03.40 | beandog | mindjuju, oh? |
| 00:04.13 | mindjuju | @beandog - http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/cd1b/ |
| 00:04.25 | beandog | oh. my. gosh. |
| 00:04.27 | beandog | that is awesome. |
| 00:04.32 | mindjuju | see! |
| 00:04.35 | mindjuju | i knew you'd love it |
| 00:05.01 | SunSparc | If you are into electronics, you will also enjoy this: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/11/10/sparkles-the-soldering-my-little-pony-unicorn/ |
| 00:05.21 | mindjuju | sunsparc, that's awesome |
| 00:05.26 | SunSparc | :) |
| 00:05.28 | mindjuju | @beandog, anything we can help you figure out? |
| 00:05.36 | beandog | wow thats a bit creepy |
| 00:05.46 | beandog | mindjuju, okay, so, lets say you make an ajax request and get xml or json in response, your data set |
| 00:06.25 | beandog | mindjuju, now, your goal is to display that in some layout somehow, using HTML |
| 00:06.34 | beandog | er, the final result will be XHTML/HTML |
| 00:06.49 | mindjuju | k |
| 00:06.53 | beandog | mindjuju, my question is ... how do people go about doing that? I'm thinking it might be using XSL as the transformation |
| 00:07.07 | beandog | mindjuju, because the only other option I can think of is writing HTML elements using JS, which seems pretty sloppy. |
| 00:07.13 | beandog | or maybe there's something else I havent t hought of. |
| 00:07.29 | mindjuju | are you using some kind of framework |
| 00:07.32 | mindjuju | mootools or something? |
| 00:07.35 | mindjuju | jquery |
| 00:07.38 | beandog | prototype |
| 00:07.40 | beandog | for JS |
| 00:09.38 | beandog | mindjuju, that can be a variable though, I dont really care what I use |
| 00:09.54 | beandog | mindjuju, all Im curious about is Ajax request -> templated HTML |
| 00:10.23 | mindjuju | looks like it is adding it to the DOM to get it to appear on the page |
| 00:10.25 | mindjuju | http://webdesign.torn.be/tutorials/javascript/prototype/retrieve-and-display-data/ |
| 00:11.08 | mindjuju | go to section 4 The back-end: php |
| 00:11.12 | mindjuju | under opt 1 |
| 00:13.57 | beandog | ok |
| 00:14.58 | mindjuju | does that help? |
| 00:15.00 | mindjuju | hope so |
| 00:15.41 | beandog | dunno |
| 00:15.42 | beandog | Im reading |
| 00:15.46 | beandog | a bit distracted atm, too |
| 00:18.14 | mindjuju | @josephscott, that isn't first time that's happened, and they did catch the perp |
| 00:18.49 | mindjuju | but blocking the num though, would be dangerous |
| 00:19.23 | mindjuju | the advice in the article about recycling old cell phones is a bad one though, keeping a disconnected cell phone in the car for an emergency incase yours is dead is a great way to call the cops in an emergency |
| 00:22.36 | beandog | mindjuju, yah |
| 00:22.42 | beandog | mindjuju, they are just writing HTML in JS |
| 00:22.50 | beandog | which isn't any better than writing HTML in PHP. Worse, actually. |
| 00:30.57 | mindjuju | well, except that with PHP html, it requires a page refresh or an iframe, where this uses JS as a way to write to the screen |
| 00:32.08 | beandog | Right |
| 00:32.16 | beandog | But I'm trying to avoid writing static HTML |
| 00:33.07 | mindjuju | so the opt 1 of part 4 doesn't help? |
| 00:33.21 | mindjuju | oh wait |
| 00:33.38 | mindjuju | weird, they aren't using json data, they're using a php query |
| 00:33.42 | mindjuju | err |
| 00:33.43 | mindjuju | weird |
| 00:33.52 | beandog | item.update('<img src="../images/get.gif" alt="Show comments" /> Show comments'); |
| 00:34.10 | beandog | er |
| 00:34.11 | beandog | ignore that. |
| 00:35.55 | mindjuju | hmm, it's been a LONG time since i've heard anybody mention prototype in this chan |
| 00:36.00 | mindjuju | i can't think of a single user in here |
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| 00:36.40 | beandog | mindjuju, ? I talk about prototype all the time |
| 00:36.58 | mindjuju | but before you adopted it, i don't remember anybody mentioning it for a while |
| 00:37.06 | mindjuju | wasn't ath just a couple weeks ago? |
| 00:37.08 | beandog | oh |
| 00:37.14 | beandog | me? no. Ive been using it for a few months |
| 00:38.25 | beandog | http://www.etsy.com/listing/56797115/snuggly-wool-blueberry-hat-sz-3-6-months |
| 00:38.35 | beandog | my sister got me hooked on etsy |
| 00:40.40 | mgeary | i've used prototype |
| 00:40.48 | mgeary | but all new stuff we do in jquery |
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| 00:42.14 | beandog | I'm moving to jquery |
| 00:42.48 | mindjuju | there does appear to be an enormous amount of peer pressure that way |
| 00:44.36 | beandog | its not pressure .. jquery is better. |
| 00:46.00 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart beandog |
| 00:46.00 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down beandog's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 00:46.14 | beandog | what is a crumpet |
| 00:46.25 | mindjuju | a cookie |
| 00:46.26 | DexterTheDragon | like a crappy cupcake |
| 00:46.35 | mindjuju | oh, maybe that's a biscuit |
| 00:46.36 | beandog | Oh |
| 00:46.55 | mindjuju | no, it's a cookie |
| 00:47.01 | mindjuju | http://www.google.com/search?q=crumpet&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 00:47.03 | DexterTheDragon | well I guess its more like a pancake |
| 00:47.25 | mindjuju | oh |
| 00:47.29 | beandog | a pancake with jam? |
| 00:47.30 | mindjuju | inever seen one in real life |
| 00:47.30 | beandog | o.O |
| 00:47.32 | mindjuju | just pics |
| 00:48.00 | DexterTheDragon | whatever its british, who cares |
| 00:48.03 | mindjuju | http://www.etsy.com/listing/61436260/this-looks-like-a-job-for-the-quadratic?ref=cat1_gallery_29 |
| 00:48.31 | beandog | mindjuju, lol nice |
| 00:49.04 | beandog | http://www.etsy.com/listing/61436375/let-her-eat-cake?ref=v1_other_1 |
| 00:49.35 | beandog | http://www.etsy.com/listing/61436275/oh-snap-its-onomatopoeia?ref=v1_other_1 |
| 00:49.52 | fungus | The cake is a lie |
| 00:50.47 | mindjuju | i love the first one |
| 00:50.57 | mindjuju | now all i need is a jean jacket to pin them on |
| 00:51.52 | beandog | mindjuju, I got one for you |
| 00:52.18 | mindjuju | jacket? |
| 00:52.22 | beandog | if I can find it. |
| 00:52.57 | beandog | http://www.flickr.com/photos/sa_steve/4183321118/ |
| 00:54.50 | fungus | yikes, not only was the jacket awful, but those jeans... eww |
| 00:55.11 | DexterTheDragon | there are some awesome photos in that stream |
| 00:59.28 | mindjuju | i want a tshirt that says 42 |
| 00:59.41 | mindjuju | or Don't Panic! |
| 01:00.06 | fungus | http://www.jinx.com/men/shirts/geek/42.html |
| 01:00.15 | fungus | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/popculture/68e2/ |
| 01:00.34 | beandog | fungus is always on the case |
| 01:00.35 | mindjuju | yup, that second one is perfect |
| 01:00.43 | mindjuju | love the colors |
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| 01:12.18 | beandog | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/caption-this-picture-12.jpeg?w=500&h=363 |
| 01:17.49 | beandog | mindjuju, check this: http://www.learn-ajax-tutorial.com/Xslt.cfm |
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| 02:40.34 | carmony | Go |
| 02:40.35 | carmony | Utah |
| 02:40.37 | carmony | Jazz |
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| 02:51.37 | herlo | lol |
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| 05:00.07 | ninnypants | herlo: ping |
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| 05:19.29 | ninnypants | hey herlo |
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| 16:26.39 | beandog | monin |
| 16:26.48 | beandog | there's an obscene lack of donuts here. |
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| 16:28.15 | mindjuju1 | ~give beandog a donut |
| 16:28.16 | ibot | ACTION gives a donut to beandog |
| 16:28.28 | beandog | this one has holes |
| 16:34.16 | romanovic | mmmm... donuts... |
| 16:34.41 | mindjuju1 | i'd prefer a betos breakfast burrito |
| 16:34.45 | beandog | heh |
| 16:34.58 | mindjuju1 | eggs + potato + bacon |
| 16:35.00 | mindjuju1 | unbeatable |
| 16:35.09 | romanovic | those are good too |
| 16:35.31 | romanovic | I can only handle one if i smother it in ketchup |
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| 16:39.01 | mindjuju1 | oh cool, buffy cola @jones soda |
| 16:39.02 | mindjuju1 | http://www.myjones.com/limited/buffy |
| 16:39.34 | mindjuju1 | fungus |
| 16:40.09 | mindjuju1 | you around? |
| 16:40.10 | fungus | mindjuju1, |
| 16:40.19 | mindjuju1 | would you drink this? |
| 16:40.19 | mindjuju1 | http://www.myjones.com/limited/bacon |
| 16:40.26 | mindjuju1 | it's not meat |
| 16:41.04 | fungus | eww, no. 2 reasons. |
| 16:41.16 | fungus | 1 it tastes like meat |
| 16:41.33 | fungus | 2 it's probably has some meat based crap in it |
| 16:41.39 | mindjuju1 | :) |
| 16:44.16 | mgeary | mmm. meat-based crap |
| 16:44.47 | beandog | lol |
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| 16:52.41 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: dude lay off the facebook like button |
| 16:52.45 | beandog | lol |
| 16:52.46 | beandog | hush |
| 16:52.47 | beandog | :) |
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| 16:56.01 | beandog | woo |
| 16:57.20 | beandog | wow, that is weird. |
| 16:57.41 | mindjuju1 | you remember that song though, right? |
| 16:57.45 | mindjuju1 | 80s song? |
| 16:57.47 | beandog | oh yahr |
| 16:58.08 | mindjuju1 | did you ever watch friday night videos? |
| 16:58.18 | beandog | no |
| 16:58.23 | mindjuju1 | poor-kid's MTV |
| 16:58.39 | mindjuju1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNQ2OWaJd2U |
| 16:58.51 | mindjuju1 | this was on like abc at 10p on friday |
| 17:00.10 | mindjuju1 | oh, myb ad, it was NBC |
| 17:01.10 | mindjuju1 | @beandog - remember this one? |
| 17:01.11 | mindjuju1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nonVj7odbmU |
| 17:01.33 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2010/11/11/a-life-on-facebook/ |
| 17:01.36 | beandog | Wow that is awesome. |
| 17:02.33 | mindjuju1 | obviously pre-columbine |
| 17:02.45 | beandog | mindjuju1, sec |
| 17:03.46 | beandog | wow what the crack |
| 17:03.49 | beandog | Ive never seen this one |
| 17:04.31 | mindjuju1 | but you've heard the song, right |
| 17:04.32 | mindjuju1 | ? |
| 17:04.37 | beandog | no, never |
| 17:04.40 | beandog | I dont think |
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| 17:06.39 | beandog | mindjuju1, did you see that xsl link I sent ya |
| 17:06.40 | beandog | las tnight |
| 17:06.50 | mindjuju1 | didn't |
| 17:08.22 | mindjuju1 | i prolly had already taken off |
| 17:08.45 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2010/11/10/blasted-tower-falls-the-wrong-way/ |
| 17:08.48 | beandog | wow that is awesome |
| 17:09.37 | beandog | I love the comments |
| 17:10.04 | beandog | I wanted to see the camera get whipped 500 feet into the air by a cable |
| 17:10.27 | mindjuju1 | :) |
| 17:10.31 | mindjuju1 | that's funny |
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| 17:11.29 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, did all my Likes spam your FB feed? |
| 17:11.54 | DexterTheDragon | little bit |
| 17:12.35 | mindjuju1 | where did i go that i read how to restrict centos to not download anything not 64b ? |
| 17:16.23 | beandog | wow, cool |
| 17:16.29 | beandog | you can disable functions in php.ini |
| 17:25.04 | beandog | This is weird ... something killed my include_path |
| 17:25.11 | beandog | no more PEAR |
| 17:25.12 | beandog | :C |
| 17:25.44 | SunSparc | Try plum |
| 17:26.50 | mgeary | plums are delicious |
| 17:27.31 | SunSparc | Agreed |
| 17:27.46 | beandog | you guys are crazy |
| 17:27.59 | SunSparc | Agreed |
| 17:28.12 | mgeary | but they've got to be really firm, sqooshy plums are to be avoided |
| 17:28.12 | SunSparc | But plums are still delicious |
| 17:28.45 | SunSparc | I like the semi-firm ones that a completely ripe. |
| 17:30.18 | mindjuju1 | i like pomegranates |
| 17:30.37 | mgeary | pomegranates are fun, but it's a lot of work for the payoff |
| 17:32.10 | SunSparc | They work well in smoothies. |
| 17:32.28 | mgeary | ?? what do you do? chop up the kernels as well? |
| 17:32.35 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 17:32.37 | mgeary | huh |
| 17:32.51 | SunSparc | Do you not eat the kernels? |
| 17:33.18 | SunSparc | I do, just pop them in my mouth and crunch them up. |
| 17:33.26 | mgeary | no, i spit them out |
| 17:33.32 | SunSparc | Hmmm |
| 17:33.58 | mindjuju1 | i like crunchy |
| 17:34.16 | mgeary | crunchy CornNuts is one thing, but pomegranate seeds? |
| 17:34.36 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:34.37 | mindjuju1 | i don't think i've ever crunched a pomegranate seed, i'll have to try |
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| 18:08.41 | ninnypants | josephscott: ping |
| 18:08.47 | josephscott | ninnypants: hi |
| 18:09.34 | ninnypants | hey is there a good condition function to tell if the current page is the blog page? |
| 18:10.28 | josephscott | a static page? |
| 18:10.32 | ninnypants | I'm using Home as the front page then Blog as the posts page but if I use is_page('Blog') it returns false |
| 18:10.34 | ninnypants | yep |
| 18:14.38 | ninnypants | ahh figured it out with whyisjakes help. is_home worked. I didn't think it would since it's not the front page... |
| 18:15.41 | josephscott | ninnypants: http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/is_page |
| 18:20.32 | mindjuju1 | herlo, you around? |
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| 18:26.22 | herlo | mindjuju1: hi |
| 18:27.00 | mindjuju1 | hey, you mentioned a while ago a repo that had PHP 5.3, i was trying to remember what the URL was or the name, but haven't been able to find it |
| 18:27.08 | mindjuju1 | seems like it was a french name though |
| 18:27.33 | mindjuju1 | i've googled for similar repos, but seemed like there was something special about that one you posted |
| 18:27.41 | mindjuju1 | like they were with fedora project or something, no? |
| 18:28.51 | herlo | utterramblings |
| 18:28.55 | herlo | oh, wait no |
| 18:28.59 | herlo | that was remi repo |
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| 18:29.24 | herlo | yeah, mindjuju1, remi requires epel, which is a good thing |
| 18:29.46 | SunSparc | herlo, and anyone else who may be interested: http://hackidutah.nacnud.com/ |
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| 18:41.07 | josephscott | ~lart google accounts |
| 18:41.07 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of google accounts |
| 18:41.26 | josephscott | signing up for yet another one because they actually use a single accounting system |
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| 18:49.29 | beandog | I'm moving over to php 5.3 this morning |
| 18:52.24 | stderr | I'm leaving work in an hour \m/ |
| 18:56.51 | influx | \m/ |
| 18:57.42 | josephscott | ~birthday carmony |
| 18:57.42 | ibot | ACTION Happy Birthday to you, Happy birthday to you!, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEEEAARR carmony, Happy Birthday toooo yoooou! |
| 18:58.07 | carmony | lol, thanks |
| 18:58.35 | stderr | happy birthday carmony |
| 18:58.50 | mindjuju1 | carmony bday? awesome! |
| 18:58.54 | jsmith | carmony: Yeah... happy birthday, you old coot |
| 18:58.56 | mindjuju1 | ~spank carmony |
| 18:58.56 | ibot | ACTION bends carmony over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on carmony's pasty white buttocks. |
| 18:59.47 | carmony | lol, thanks guys :) |
| 18:59.54 | carmony | what should I go eat for a birthday lunch? |
| 19:00.06 | beandog | its yer birthday? |
| 19:00.10 | beandog | ~presents carmony |
| 19:00.10 | ibot | ACTION steals the watches, jewels and valuables from everyone except beandog and buys a bunch of presents for carmony |
| 19:00.11 | mindjuju1 | whopper of course |
| 19:00.22 | mindjuju1 | though a happy alternative would be the double whopper |
| 19:00.22 | carmony | I'm not a big whopper fan |
| 19:00.23 | beandog | carmony, go to cheesecake factory |
| 19:00.26 | mindjuju1 | or the texas whopper |
| 19:00.32 | carmony | lol, I'm in Ogden today |
| 19:00.47 | influx | carmony: Seafood. |
| 19:00.48 | carmony | I could go get yummy thai food... but I did that yesterday |
| 19:00.52 | jsmith | carmony: Go get some Popeye's, just to make mindjuju1 upset :-p |
| 19:00.58 | beandog | or baskin robbins |
| 19:00.59 | carmony | hahahahahahaha |
| 19:01.04 | mindjuju1 | ah dag! |
| 19:01.06 | mindjuju1 | so rude1 |
| 19:01.15 | jsmith | mindjuju1: Guess what else I did last weekend |
| 19:01.29 | mindjuju1 | had the new popeyes shrimp ? |
| 19:01.38 | mindjuju1 | the one they advertise on TV? |
| 19:01.43 | jsmith | mindjuju1: Naw, it was the crawfish tackle box |
| 19:01.48 | mindjuju1 | oh, that was it |
| 19:01.49 | jsmith | mindjuju1: and I drove over to to Shenandoah |
| 19:01.50 | mindjuju1 | you did?> |
| 19:02.13 | mindjuju1 | Shenandoah, beautiful |
| 19:03.15 | josephscott | chipotle for lunch, that is my vote |
| 19:03.48 | carmony | Mmmm... yummy tacos sounds good... but I want authentic tacos... I wonder where I could get those around here |
| 19:04.27 | mindjuju1 | south of the border? (not taco bell) |
| 19:04.42 | beandog | carmony, state street |
| 19:04.45 | beandog | about 8th south |
| 19:05.06 | carmony | lol, I can't drive down to state street :P |
| 19:05.12 | beandog | taco vendors around there |
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| 19:18.30 | SunSparc | Python vs Ruby, Fight! |
| 19:19.00 | SunSparc | carmony: where are you? |
| 19:19.09 | PoeticIntensity | hah.... |
| 19:19.09 | SunSparc | There was a good on in AF but it closed. |
| 19:19.42 | SunSparc | There is a good one in Provo that I know of, unless it closed. |
| 19:21.58 | ninnypants | what was the one in provo? |
| 19:22.41 | SunSparc | On 500 West down around 700 or 800 South. |
| 19:23.36 | SunSparc | Did not really have a name, though they tried to branch out to that restaurant by Movies 8 and called it Guanajuato, I think. But that did not last long. |
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| 19:29.49 | beandog | ~lunch |
| 19:29.49 | ibot | rumour has it, lunch is a nightmare in the Mensa |
| 19:29.54 | beandog | ~food |
| 19:30.10 | mindjuju1 | i'm thinking about ordering in today, i simply don't have time to go out |
| 19:30.37 | mindjuju1 | i wonder if anybody delviers chinese food around here |
| 19:31.05 | beandog | oh mindjuju1 |
| 19:31.08 | beandog | theres always time for food. |
| 19:31.19 | beandog | just remind yourself that nothing else is important. |
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| 19:32.19 | mindjuju | well, maybe i could run to quiznos |
| 19:32.25 | mindjuju | that'down the road like 2 minutes |
| 19:33.43 | mindjuju | fdisk -l |
| 19:33.50 | mindjuju | fdisk -l |
| 19:33.59 | mindjuju | grr, rong win |
| 19:34.20 | DexterTheDragon | Disk #uphpu: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes |
| 19:35.01 | beandog | thats a lotta bytes |
| 19:35.16 | beandog | darnit, I broke something. |
| 19:35.17 | beandog | -_- |
| 19:35.22 | beandog | rails is so touchy |
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| 19:46.22 | carmony | SunSparc: I'm in ogden |
| 19:46.36 | carmony | well, technically right now I'm in roy |
| 19:47.05 | mindjuju | i had a comp from roy |
| 19:47.17 | mindjuju | i thought it was somewhere near idaho though |
| 19:48.03 | SunSparc | carmony: hah, well my suggestions will not be helpful then :) |
| 19:48.14 | undertakingyou | mindjuju: heh, that is funny. Roy is on the Salt Lake side of Ogden. |
| 19:50.22 | mindjuju | my utah geography isn't so good, my texas geography is though |
| 19:51.18 | mindjuju | prolly went every year with the scout troop, it's an awesome place |
| 19:54.09 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I am glad to hear you like it. I have never been. I want to take the fam. |
| 19:54.33 | mindjuju | lots to see and do whilst in Houston |
| 19:57.10 | SunSparc | I have some family and friends in Texas. Just gotta talk the wife into enduring a roadtrip. ;) |
| 19:57.18 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:57.34 | SunSparc | I actually lived in Texas for a while as a kid. |
| 19:57.41 | mindjuju | where? |
| 19:57.52 | SunSparc | Near Fort Hood and San Angelo. |
| 19:58.25 | SunSparc | Both military bases. Part of my life as an Army brat. |
| 19:59.04 | mindjuju | ah the military bases. we prolly went at least 3x a year to the army / airforce base in san antonio |
| 19:59.12 | mindjuju | can't remember what it is called |
| 19:59.48 | stderr | I piiiiity the fooool, who falls in love wit yoooou |
| 20:12.39 | SunSparc | stderr: Ever hike Blue John Canyon? |
| 20:14.49 | carmony | ya know, del taco's new "authentic" tacos aren't half bad |
| 20:17.18 | SunSparc | Del Taco has "new" tacos? |
| 20:17.28 | SunSparc | I like their fish tacos. |
| 20:19.28 | mindjuju | pzza should be here in 10 minutes! |
| 20:24.23 | mindjuju | pizza came almost 10 minutes EARLY?? |
| 20:24.25 | mindjuju | no way! |
| 20:25.02 | carmony | their asada/carbon tacos |
| 20:25.52 | SunSparc | I will have to try them next time. A while back they had a spicy mole chicken taco that was awesome. Which they would bring it back. |
| 20:26.06 | SunSparc | Wish |
| 20:26.44 | mindjuju | mole is awesome |
| 20:27.10 | mindjuju | come by the house some time, i'll make you chicken w/rice w/mole and boracho beans (sans the beer) |
| 20:27.58 | SunSparc | Ok, well then we definitely need to have you over for dinner. |
| 20:27.59 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:28.10 | stderr | SunSparc: negative |
| 20:28.50 | SunSparc | stderr: I am hiking it this weekend. I'll bring back some pictures. |
| 20:29.10 | stderr | nice :) |
| 20:29.35 | SunSparc | Yeah. Should be decent weather. |
| 21:11.12 | beandog | ~curse ruby |
| 21:11.12 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ruby ! |
| 21:11.47 | SunSparc | ? |
| 21:12.02 | beandog | rails is fragile. |
| 21:12.03 | beandog | sheesh. |
| 21:12.55 | beandog | Im running redmine |
| 21:13.04 | mindjuju | redmine rocks |
| 21:13.08 | mindjuju | ~redmine++ |
| 21:13.13 | beandog | yah, when it works |
| 21:13.13 | beandog | :T |
| 21:13.18 | mindjuju | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 21:13.25 | mindjuju | is it causing you probs? |
| 21:13.34 | beandog | aye |
| 21:13.38 | beandog | I dont even know what I did to break it |
| 21:13.41 | beandog | well, I upgraded apache |
| 21:13.43 | mindjuju | oh bummer |
| 21:14.18 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: so you upgraded apache which broke your compiled modules, and your blaming ruby? |
| 21:14.40 | mindjuju | i know it ws hard first time i set it up, but i've setup several installs since then for various people, and it's gotten much more smooth |
| 21:15.34 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, which modules is it using? |
| 21:15.47 | beandog | and yah, im blaming ruby. If I upgrade apache, it doesnt break mod_php |
| 21:15.49 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: I dunno, how are you running it? |
| 21:15.56 | beandog | mod_ruby I think |
| 21:16.30 | DexterTheDragon | old school |
| 21:21.43 | beandog | old school? |
| 21:22.41 | DexterTheDragon | if your actually using mod_ruby it hasn't been updated in years and I don't know anyone who uses it |
| 21:24.02 | beandog | Oh |
| 21:24.07 | beandog | whats the alternative to mod_ruby |
| 21:24.26 | PoeticIntensity | your mom. |
| 21:24.36 | mindjuju | oh dag! |
| 21:24.37 | DexterTheDragon | PhusionPassenger is probably the easiest |
| 21:24.42 | SunSparc | OOOOOOoooo |
| 21:24.44 | mindjuju | oh MAN |
| 21:24.49 | DexterTheDragon | there's also unicorn or mongrel |
| 21:24.51 | mindjuju | wow |
| 21:24.59 | mindjuju | whew! |
| 21:25.06 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
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| 21:26.38 | josephscott | there must be a reasonable fastcgi option for ruby I'd imagine |
| 21:30.06 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 21:30.06 | ibot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, cro!" and lops off cro's head |
| 21:30.17 | mindjuju | pwd |
| 21:30.20 | PoeticIntensity | LOL @ mindjuju |
| 21:30.35 | PoeticIntensity | ~rlart |
| 21:30.35 | ibot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at ninnypants |
| 21:30.38 | mindjuju | that's twice today |
| 21:30.44 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 21:30.50 | PoeticIntensity | How's life treatin' ya these days, mindjuju ? |
| 21:31.10 | mindjuju | not too bad, running ragged, from school and work, but things are getting better |
| 21:31.13 | mindjuju | how about you? |
| 21:34.42 | mindjuju | well fine, i didn't want to know any way |
| 21:34.46 | mindjuju | :p |
| 21:35.25 | beandog | do you think mod_ruby bit the dust? |
| 21:35.32 | beandog | When I run it standalone it doesnt do that |
| 21:35.32 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 21:35.34 | beandog | er, I mean |
| 21:35.35 | beandog | bleh |
| 21:35.41 | beandog | Please let me gather my brain cells, brb. |
| 21:36.18 | mindjuju | ~give beandog a donut with sprinkles and a hot chocolate to help him gather his thoughts |
| 21:36.18 | ibot | ACTION gives a donut with sprinkles and a hot chocolate to help him gather his thoughts to beandog |
| 21:36.22 | beandog | http://pastebin.com/ZRi8PiAJ |
| 21:36.46 | beandog | my database config hasn't changed. |
| 21:36.47 | beandog | :T |
| 21:38.15 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: its trying to use the development database. Were you using production before? |
| 21:38.24 | beandog | yah |
| 21:38.40 | fungus | wgetpaste? details pls. |
| 21:39.07 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: well then you need to use production for it |
| 21:39.21 | josephscott | fungus: http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/wgetpaste-1 |
| 21:39.21 | DexterTheDragon | try `export RAILS_ENF=production` |
| 21:39.30 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, okay |
| 21:39.38 | beandog | Well, Im just doing it cmdnline to see if I could throw an error |
| 21:39.40 | fungus | cool, thx josephscott |
| 21:39.44 | DexterTheDragon | RAILS_ENV=production |
| 21:39.46 | beandog | apache still gives me this: |
| 21:39.51 | beandog | Application error |
| 21:39.51 | beandog | Rails application failed to start properly |
| 21:39.57 | beandog | even after putting a "development" db connection in there. |
| 21:41.31 | beandog | grawr. |
| 21:41.51 | beandog | [Thu Nov 11 14:39:18 2010] [error] [client 10.10.10.110] Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects due to probable configuration error. Use 'LimitInternalRecursion' to increase the limit if necessary. Use 'LogLevel debug' to get a backtrace. |
| 21:41.53 | beandog | that helps I guess. |
| 21:42.10 | beandog | oh ones, I gave out my ip address |
| 21:42.46 | DexterTheDragon | ~smurf 10.10.10.110 |
| 21:42.47 | ibot | ACTION DoSes 10.10.10.110 |
| 21:43.22 | mindjuju | i secretly rooted for gargomel |
| 21:43.39 | mindjuju | hated the smurfs and wished they'd been consumed in the natural food chain |
| 21:44.09 | beandog | Oh ........ wait |
| 21:46.15 | SunSparc | ssh root@10.10.10.110 |
| 21:46.42 | mindjuju | tracer T 10.10.10.110 |
| 21:47.09 | SunSparc | rootkittoiz.sh 10.10.10.110 |
| 21:47.55 | carmony | w....t....f... |
| 21:48.08 | carmony | I just got a $2k bandwidth overage fee from Layered Tech... |
| 21:48.25 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 21:48.34 | jsmith | carmony: Nice! |
| 21:48.34 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: shouldn't have been torrenting |
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| 21:49.32 | mindjuju | ~lart jsmith |
| 21:49.32 | ibot | makes a balloon animal out of jsmith |
| 21:49.35 | josephscott | carmony: happy birthday! |
| 21:50.23 | mindjuju | it's a nice day for a ... white wedding! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AofzLsvTsM0 |
| 21:51.11 | mgeary | carmony: ??! |
| 21:51.50 | carmony | http://screencast.com/t/Ucv9YdwjVy |
| 21:52.10 | fungus | whoa, holy crap |
| 21:52.20 | mgeary | jeeze |
| 21:52.26 | mgeary | did you get compromised? |
| 21:52.39 | mgeary | 523 megabits/sec?? man, what would THAT be like? |
| 21:52.39 | mindjuju | somebody prolly setup free pron |
| 21:52.45 | jsmith | mindjuju: So much love in the channel today |
| 21:52.47 | josephscott | someone hosting porn on your server? |
| 21:52.50 | mgeary | but it's inbound traffic, mindjuju |
| 21:53.01 | mindjuju | carmony! you naughty boy! |
| 21:53.05 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:53.27 | carmony | I'm thinking I got compromised or something |
| 21:55.27 | jsmith | carmony: Yikes! |
| 21:56.02 | beandog | carmony, did it come with frosting? |
| 21:56.16 | beandog | bill shock ftw |
| 21:56.41 | josephscott | they should have alerts if your b/w exceeds a certain threshold |
| 21:56.42 | beandog | Companies really need an alert that says, 'Uh, you just doubled your monthly usage, and it might cost a lot' |
| 21:57.23 | josephscott | like when you are at 95% of your b/w usage for the month they should let you know |
| 21:57.29 | josephscott | just saying |
| 21:58.14 | SunSparc | Yeah, carmony, I would push back on them. Where was their monitoring service? |
| 22:01.08 | carmony | Oh, I am |
| 22:01.29 | carmony | if they give me shit, I'm going to call CEVO and have them cancel our 50k a year group of servers and tell them to screw themselves |
| 22:06.25 | SunSparc | ~calm carmony |
| 22:06.25 | ibot | ACTION sooths carmony, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm carmony down. |
| 22:07.10 | mindjuju | now that's big boy talk from a CTO! |
| 22:08.18 | josephscott | and old CTO ;-) |
| 22:17.27 | josephscott | ~lart IE and Windows XP |
| 22:17.27 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to IE and Windows XP, and goes postal |
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| 22:28.07 | beandog | ok mindjuju |
| 22:28.20 | beandog | I cant find that link :T |
| 22:28.41 | mindjuju | srry, i'm doing dancing the robot - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cShYbLkhBc |
| 22:28.46 | beandog | mindjuju, http://www.learn-ajax-tutorial.com/Xslt.cfm |
| 22:28.51 | beandog | check that out yo |
| 22:29.53 | josephscott | roboto FTW! |
| 22:31.09 | beandog | mindjuju, wtc is this |
| 22:31.32 | josephscott | don't be surprised if I'm acting strangely |
| 22:34.27 | mindjuju | sorry beandog, i got a phone call, but i'm back now and roboto still paused |
| 22:35.34 | mindjuju | curious |
| 22:35.39 | mindjuju | i never got into like this |
| 22:35.57 | mindjuju | let's see though |
| 22:39.19 | beandog | mindjuju, yah |
| 22:39.19 | beandog | So |
| 22:39.21 | beandog | Basically |
| 22:39.27 | beandog | I wanna have my HTML layout in the XSL |
| 22:39.33 | beandog | Use AJAX to fetch the XML |
| 22:39.42 | beandog | Have the browser convert it to XHTML |
| 22:39.57 | beandog | Or something. |
| 22:40.20 | mindjuju | according to that doc, that seem to be right |
| 22:40.51 | beandog | I assume thats possible. |
| 22:40.55 | beandog | I dont see a lot of people doing that though |
| 22:41.05 | beandog | So my question is, how do people normally transform JSON/XML data to XHTML |
| 22:41.24 | herlo | magic! |
| 22:43.17 | mindjuju | @beandog, sadly i suspect that similar to rounded corns using tables for layout, it's less grace than function |
| 22:43.27 | mindjuju | corners i mean |
| 22:44.27 | mindjuju | @mgeary, when you used prototype, did you use xsl + xml -> xhtml ? |
| 22:44.40 | mgeary | no |
| 22:44.48 | mgeary | why? |
| 22:44.59 | mindjuju | cause that's the approach that beandog wants to take |
| 22:45.13 | mgeary | psh. well, it IS beandog we're talking about here |
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| 22:46.16 | mindjuju | so mgeary when displaying data in prototype, how did you do that? |
| 22:46.44 | mgeary | can you be more specific? |
| 22:46.53 | mgeary | are you talking about DOM manipulation? |
| 22:47.00 | beandog | mgeary, lets say you want to dynamically populate an element, say a table |
| 22:47.06 | beandog | mgeary, and the data is fetched via ajax request |
| 22:47.13 | beandog | mgeary, whats the middle step? |
| 22:47.19 | DexterTheDragon | you do it the same was as you do in jquery, you take the returned data and shove it into the html |
| 22:47.23 | beandog | Basically |
| 22:47.33 | beandog | AJAX request -> JSON / XML -> ??? -> XHTML |
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| 22:48.07 | mgeary | we used Scriptaculous with it's prototype-extending DOM tools |
| 22:48.20 | mgeary | or maybe prototype had/has those built-in |
| 22:48.40 | mgeary | do you just identify a node and add a child, and set that child's content. that sort of thing |
| 22:48.44 | DexterTheDragon | $('table').append('<tr><td>' + jsondata.value + '</td></tr>') |
| 22:48.55 | mindjuju | yeah, what DtD is posting |
| 22:48.59 | mindjuju | i don't think he wants to do that |
| 22:48.59 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, yah thats what I wanna avoid. |
| 22:49.04 | beandog | Is writing HTML in JS |
| 22:49.08 | mindjuju | but i think that's how everybody does it |
| 22:49.25 | mgeary | well, we didn't quite do with DtD is proposing, iirc |
| 22:49.42 | beandog | where's wps |
| 22:49.44 | beandog | ~apb wps |
| 22:49.44 | ibot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to find wps |
| 22:49.51 | beandog | he's anal about seperating stuff |
| 22:50.12 | mindjuju | that's why i said rounded corners, everbody laid out in tables until CSS caught up |
| 22:59.22 | beandog | So, did anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:59.22 | beandog | :T |
| 23:00.02 | mgeary | beandog: tell me more specifics about what you want to achieve |
| 23:00.11 | beandog | mgeary, k, mind if I pm? |
| 23:00.34 | mgeary | no, that's fine |
| 23:00.37 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: javascript was created to manipulate the DOM. writing htmlish stuff in javascript is just how its done |
| 23:00.56 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, perhaps, but theres gotta be something more efficient |
| 23:01.01 | beandog | Im playing with XSLT |
| 23:01.05 | beandog | I think the answer is in there somewhere. |
| 23:01.24 | josephscott | why do XSLT in JS? why not do it on the server side? |
| 23:01.39 | josephscott | I'd expect server side XSLT to be much faster |
| 23:01.54 | beandog | josephscott, because Im fetching the data using AJAX |
| 23:01.59 | josephscott | so |
| 23:02.01 | mgeary | we've done things like this: http://ajaxian.com/archives/new-prototype-dom-builder |
| 23:02.15 | beandog | josephscott, I dont even know enough about it to argue one point or another ... Im trying to figure out what my options are |
| 23:02.20 | josephscott | what ever URL you are hitting for the XHR can do the transform |
| 23:02.36 | josephscott | send it back in what ever format you want |
| 23:02.44 | beandog | josephscott, thats true. |
| 23:02.50 | beandog | josephscott, you could just return straight HTML |
| 23:02.54 | beandog | but then I'm writing HTML in the controllers. |
| 23:02.57 | beandog | I dont wanna do that, either. |
| 23:03.00 | mgeary | hah. interesting to note that "Michael Geary" has a comment on that link i posted, but it's not THIS Michael Geary |
| 23:03.03 | josephscott | yep, then just slam into the DOM |
| 23:03.21 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: you have the controller render a view to the XHR request |
| 23:03.44 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, oh, right. |
| 23:03.46 | beandog | wait |
| 23:03.51 | josephscott | http://goog-ajaxslt.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:04.01 | josephscott | expect XSLT in JS to be slow |
| 23:04.12 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, hows that? |
| 23:04.22 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, so controller returns a view |
| 23:04.39 | josephscott | http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/xsl_client.asp |
| 23:04.53 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, so youre going through the same channels, and the view creates the HTML output, which then gets inserted into <foo> element |
| 23:05.04 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 23:05.12 | beandog | Yah .... that actually makes sense. |
| 23:05.39 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 23:05.48 | beandog | And you could still have the JSON be in the HTTP header if you wanted to access it. |
| 23:05.59 | DexterTheDragon | do you need json? |
| 23:06.10 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, well, if I'm doing totals on the fly or something .. odd. |
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| 23:06.22 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, Id wanna iterate through the dataset instead of an element |
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| 23:31.41 | carmony | well, they've verified that my server got root-kitted |
| 23:32.08 | SunSparc | Yes! |
| 23:32.21 | SunSparc | I mean... |
| 23:32.28 | SunSparc | Dood, that suxors. |
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| 23:33.04 | mgeary | dang |
| 23:33.13 | mgeary | do you know where/how they got in? |
| 23:33.22 | beandog | carmony, :C |
| 23:33.28 | carmony | nope |
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| 23:37.37 | mindjuju1 | did somebody break into carmony's servers after all? |
| 23:37.45 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:37.52 | mindjuju1 | oh man! |
| 23:38.12 | mgeary | carmony: are you able to see how it was being misused? |
| 23:38.39 | carmony | eh, we think DDOSing and stuff like that |
| 23:39.01 | mgeary | hrm. but weren't those green spikes *incoming* traffic? |
| 23:39.23 | mindjuju1 | if its like xmission incoming really means outgoing |
| 23:39.31 | mindjuju1 | in some way of addressing the xmission router |
| 23:46.51 | mindjuju1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9HnoRgRIwg&feature=related |
| 23:48.52 | beandog | that song is so annoying |
| 23:48.59 | beandog | ~unkarma mindjuju1 |
| 23:49.56 | mindjuju1 | oh my |
| 23:50.01 | mindjuju1 | you MUST be joking |
| 23:50.07 | mindjuju1 | that's an awesome song! |
| 23:51.11 | mindjuju1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKmys-Tys90 |
| 23:52.12 | mindjuju1 | i remember the first 2 so far |
| 23:52.43 | mindjuju1 | 3rd, no |
| 23:52.48 | beandog | Im probably gonna get some crap for this one |
| 23:52.50 | beandog | but oh well |
| 23:52.55 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqiwEafCJ74 |
| 23:53.08 | mindjuju1 | heh |
| 23:53.13 | mindjuju1 | this came on country radio the other day |
| 23:56.43 | mindjuju1 | gobots, what a joke |
| 23:57.01 | carmony | ok, well, I'm going to be spending my evening migrating my stuff to a new server |
| 23:58.13 | mindjuju1 | srry to hear that carmony |
