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| 16:30.48 | josephscott | quite this morning |
| 16:30.50 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 16:30.50 | ibot | turns ChanServ into a lifesized tux doll |
| 16:32.09 | SunSparc | quite quiet even ;) |
| 16:32.20 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 16:32.20 | ibot | resizes ninnypants's terminal to 40x24 |
| 16:32.29 | SunSparc | ~morning |
| 16:32.29 | ibot | Good morning! |
| 16:32.33 | SunSparc | ~monday |
| 16:32.33 | ibot | rumour has it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix, or and on a more positive note, Monday is a brand new day at the beginning of a brand new week, a place to start over and improve on last week. :), or the end of the weekend, a.k.a. the weekendend |
| 16:34.37 | josephscott | haha, yeah, that too |
| 16:34.53 | josephscott | so quiet that I can spell it correctly :-) |
| 16:49.51 | josephscott | carmony: ever used innotop? |
| 16:59.51 | mindjuju | wow, plug list is starting into an anti-php rant ...sigh... |
| 16:59.54 | mindjuju | such hatred |
| 17:00.45 | josephscott | many folks really, really don't like PHP |
| 17:00.58 | mindjuju | so it seems |
| 17:00.58 | josephscott | which is fine, as long as I don't have to listen to it :-) |
| 17:01.52 | mindjuju | as i study bash, i'm seeing scripts written in both |
| 17:02.00 | mindjuju | so i thought i should learn at least 1 |
| 17:02.02 | carmony | josephscott: I have not |
| 17:02.08 | carmony | josephscott: is it good? |
| 17:02.29 | josephscott | it is a nifty little tool for busy mysql servers |
| 17:02.38 | josephscott | well, for watching busy mysql servers |
| 17:04.39 | josephscott | carmony: might already be on your server, it comes built in with some mysql packages |
| 17:12.00 | mindjuju | fungus |
| 17:12.03 | mindjuju | you around? |
| 17:12.28 | fungus | yup |
| 17:13.08 | fungus | mindjuju, the answer to that question is *both* |
| 17:13.10 | mindjuju | so, let's pretend you got a job at a shop that had 0 scripts for sys admining, which language would you use to start writing sys admining scripts? |
| 17:13.11 | mindjuju | oh |
| 17:13.14 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:13.15 | fungus | perl and python |
| 17:13.22 | mindjuju | k |
| 17:13.31 | fungus | pick the right lang for the right job |
| 17:13.47 | mindjuju | not knowing a lot about either, how is this determined? |
| 17:13.53 | josephscott | historically there are tons of admin scripts in perl |
| 17:14.04 | mindjuju | i've heard that josephscott |
| 17:14.06 | josephscott | but that isn't a blocker to writing new admin code in python |
| 17:14.22 | fungus | Use each to their strengths. |
| 17:14.29 | mindjuju | which made me think i should start learning PERL first |
| 17:14.44 | josephscott | play with both and just pick one, best to start doing stuff that get bogged down in figuring out how to start |
| 17:14.44 | mindjuju | but then thought i'd write the community to see wha tthey thought |
| 17:15.03 | fungus | Perl is fantastic for small and quick stuff. Especially things like reporting and text processing. |
| 17:15.46 | fungus | If it gets large enough to where you need real oop, then use something like python or ruby |
| 17:16.15 | josephscott | oop in perl is, well, odd, but again, that didn't stop plenty of code getting written |
| 17:16.27 | unum | python is much more structure straight forward and consistant |
| 17:16.39 | unum | it was designed object oriented from the beginning |
| 17:16.40 | fungus | Yeah, perl gets really painful and hairy when it gets large or oop-like |
| 17:16.49 | josephscott | the more important thing is to start doing stuff |
| 17:16.55 | unum | the white space sensitivity drives some people nuts |
| 17:17.18 | fungus | That's partly why I mentioned ruby. It's a valid choice too for that kind of thing. |
| 17:17.28 | unum | perl just feels more like a scripting language to me |
| 17:17.40 | josephscott | yep, there are tons of choices, don't get stuck with that, better to build stuff |
| 17:17.43 | unum | does python do regex stuff? |
| 17:17.43 | mindjuju | so fungus, on that point of OOP, i remember some of the things stderr had talked about with namespaces (when speaking poorly of php), that made me think i should consider that first, instead of PERL |
| 17:18.04 | DexterTheDragon | unum: python does regex very nicely |
| 17:18.06 | unum | don't use php for non-web stuff |
| 17:18.07 | mindjuju | so, i was really switching back and forth, PERL seems to have dominance, Python has good structure |
| 17:18.15 | unum | ya |
| 17:18.24 | mindjuju | a real conundrum |
| 17:18.27 | fungus | True, but the vast majority of sysadmin scripts are small and/or simple and don't need that kind of overhead |
| 17:18.40 | mindjuju | ah |
| 17:18.52 | fungus | That's why perl shines. |
| 17:19.04 | mindjuju | fair enough, I'll head that way |
| 17:19.31 | mindjuju | like i say, there REALLY is no legacy code here that I need to maintain, scripts that i write to automate, I get to decide the language |
| 17:20.12 | fungus | You should also take into account the skills of other people that may need to use and/or modify this code as well. |
| 17:20.17 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Get a toolbelt that holds many tools. If all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail. |
| 17:22.38 | mindjuju | true that |
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| 17:37.41 | carmony | omg, arg |
| 17:37.47 | carmony | I have a fan in my lapto |
| 17:37.51 | carmony | laptop |
| 17:37.54 | carmony | that is now clicking |
| 17:38.00 | carmony | very, very annoying |
| 17:41.40 | mgeary | mindjuju: imo, python experience opens more additional possibilities that perl experience currently does |
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| 17:57.51 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2010/11/08/cat-plays-with-ipod/ |
| 18:11.17 | thebigdog | carmony: too much memory ;( |
| 18:11.18 | utahcon | josephscott: Is there a reason the installer (for plugins/themes etc) for WP doesn't work off group rights and only owner rights? |
| 18:11.31 | carmony | thebigdog: lol |
| 18:11.49 | josephscott | utahcon: I don't recall the exact permissions checks for that in WP |
| 18:12.15 | josephscott | it does a series of perm checks to figure out if it can do direct writes safely to upgrade things |
| 18:12.15 | utahcon | I was thinking about looking into it, cause it is weird that it doesn't work with group write, but only with owner write :\ |
| 18:12.42 | josephscott | I don't recall off the top of my head |
| 18:12.48 | utahcon | no worries |
| 18:12.49 | utahcon | thanks |
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| 18:16.09 | SunSparc | utahcon: because php scripts run as the web server user. In order for them to have control the web server would need to own or be the group for those files. Which can be a security risk. |
| 18:16.29 | utahcon | SunSparc: I understand that |
| 18:16.30 | SunSparc | The "automagic" functionality of WP is nice, in theory, but a security nightmare. |
| 18:16.43 | utahcon | but I would think that having group write access would be enough for php to update the files |
| 18:16.50 | josephscott | SunSparc: which automagic part? |
| 18:17.14 | utahcon | security doesn't keep me up at night |
| 18:17.39 | utahcon | no offense to josephscott but if it did WP (and web in general) wouldn't be my business :D |
| 18:17.59 | utahcon | josephscott: are there any stats on wp.org installs that are on SSL? |
| 18:18.08 | josephscott | I'm lost now, not sure what we are talking about |
| 18:18.19 | josephscott | not that I'm aware of |
| 18:18.28 | SunSparc | utahcon: Yes, with group write access WP should be able to update the files. |
| 18:18.33 | josephscott | I know there is one really big SSL install on WPCOM :-) |
| 18:18.39 | beandog | I think the conversation migrated to web security in general |
| 18:18.55 | utahcon | yeah WP skips to FTP login etc when it doesn't have owner of the wp-content folder... or something like that. |
| 18:19.12 | SunSparc | josephscott: The WP auto update feature is the automagic I am referring to. |
| 18:19.14 | utahcon | josephscott: I figured WPCOM was SSL ;) |
| 18:19.22 | utahcon | but most people who host on their own I bet don't do SSL |
| 18:19.33 | josephscott | SunSparc: have you found a weakness to the upgrade process? |
| 18:19.52 | utahcon | the weakness is the upgrade process |
| 18:20.11 | josephscott | utahcon: I think so too, WP has taken some steps to help, but can't make up for not using SSL |
| 18:20.18 | beandog | utahcon, I would actually agree with you |
| 18:20.42 | josephscott | utahcon / SunSparc if you have some specifics, we can look at them, hard to address general hand waving |
| 18:20.45 | SunSparc | josephscott: I have not taken the time to exploit it or research it, but just having web accessible scripts writable by the web server is a big hole. |
| 18:21.04 | josephscott | SunSparc: that is what server perms are for :-) |
| 18:21.05 | beandog | exactly |
| 18:21.10 | beandog | Also |
| 18:21.13 | beandog | SuExec++ |
| 18:21.18 | josephscott | if you don't want to enable that, don't make them writable by the webserver |
| 18:21.20 | utahcon | SunSparc: as long as those scripts are secured behind login (with SSL) wouldn't it be mostly safe? |
| 18:21.28 | SunSparc | Yes, as long as the server is setup properly. |
| 18:21.44 | utahcon | I guess that is what I am getting at with the SSL stats :D |
| 18:21.44 | josephscott | utahcon: that has less to do with SSL and more do with the general security of the server |
| 18:21.45 | SunSparc | utahcon: Yes, mostly. |
| 18:22.18 | josephscott | WP even has some options to force SSL, if you have that setup |
| 18:22.32 | josephscott | especially for the admin area |
| 18:23.41 | beandog | I run my wordpress install as a separate user |
| 18:23.43 | beandog | That lets me sleep at night. |
| 18:23.49 | SunSparc | josephscott: Where are those options? |
| 18:23.56 | beandog | It's all completely walled off |
| 18:24.16 | beandog | Or at least, it was on my last server ... dunno how it is right now running on my server at home. |
| 18:24.43 | josephscott | you can set things like this in wp-config.php: define( 'FORCE_SSL_LOGIN', TRUE ); |
| 18:24.55 | josephscott | define( 'FORCE_SSL_ADMIN', TRUE ); |
| 18:25.25 | josephscott | not hard to find: http://www.google.com/search?q=wordpress+force+ssl |
| 18:25.53 | SunSparc | Cool, have not really looked at the settings in a while. |
| 18:29.53 | beandog | Do like they do in the movies |
| 18:30.01 | beandog | Throw a handful of CD-ROMs in the microwave |
| 18:31.15 | SunSparc | heh, yeah, poof |
| 18:31.42 | SunSparc | Feed a couple sheets of paper into the shredder |
| 18:34.16 | mindjuju | josephscott, i'm running some google queries to find compelling reasons to upgrade to WP 3.0.1 from 2.8.5, but i'm not seeing anything |
| 18:34.23 | mindjuju | is there an FAQ somewhere i'm missing? |
| 18:34.52 | josephscott | 2.8.5? dude, that was ages ago |
| 18:35.01 | mindjuju | i know, i know |
| 18:35.06 | macnewbold | mindjuju: imho best reasons are security updates and stuff like that, and compatibility with new plugins etc |
| 18:35.15 | SunSparc | mindjuju: It will make the annoying "Upgrade now" links in your admin go away, for a little while. :) |
| 18:35.18 | mindjuju | there are some apps i'm ust barely learning about |
| 18:35.23 | macnewbold | you many thing it ain't broke, but it is |
| 18:35.47 | mindjuju | @macnewbold, was trying to find out about exploits against 2.8.5 to compel a reason to upgrade |
| 18:35.49 | josephscott | we've had 5 releases since then |
| 18:36.07 | macnewbold | i'm sure there are a ton of security fixes since 2.8.5 |
| 18:36.23 | josephscott | yep, each release usually has several little things fixed/improved |
| 18:36.28 | mindjuju | i'm dealing with a VERY reluctant user who is against upgrading and possibly losing some of his addons |
| 18:36.46 | josephscott | I believe 2.8.5 is still vulnerable to certain attacks, I'd have to go back and look that info up |
| 18:37.01 | mindjuju | so i'm trying to find just cause to jump around him and upgrade, security being the ace card (can't be trumped) |
| 18:37.13 | josephscott | mindjuju: drop him like a rock, refusing to upgrade will bite you eventually |
| 18:37.22 | josephscott | instead, better to make the upgrade process smooth and reliable |
| 18:37.51 | josephscott | obviously take the regular precautions, full backups of all code and DB |
| 18:38.06 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:38.48 | beandog | mindjuju, the solution is obvious |
| 18:39.00 | mindjuju | perspective is relative |
| 18:39.01 | beandog | mindjuju, hack it yourself, then show them "something happened", probably need to upgrade ..... |
| 18:39.07 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:39.09 | mindjuju | i could do that |
| 18:39.10 | josephscott | haha |
| 18:40.03 | SunSparc | Yeah, replace the home page with, "Hacz0r3d by M00r3sh" |
| 18:40.40 | SunSparc | Gotta use the leetspeak so that CSI can follow you. |
| 18:40.55 | mindjuju | @josephscott, whilst looking for compelling reasons to upgrade to 3, I found this about Matt - http://mashable.com/2010/10/20/matt-mullenweg-wordpress-interview/ |
| 18:41.03 | mindjuju | we should see about him keynote UTOS |
| 18:41.09 | mindjuju | that'd be WAY cool |
| 18:42.56 | josephscott | anyone else get a 403 error for http://www.deseretnews.com/ ? |
| 18:43.07 | mindjuju | i do |
| 18:43.30 | mindjuju | ouchy! |
| 18:44.05 | jsmith | WORKSFORME |
| 18:44.26 | mgeary | josephscott: works for me |
| 18:44.39 | mindjuju | is it a cached version? |
| 18:44.59 | josephscott | odd, I can 403 in chrome, works in safari |
| 18:45.00 | mindjuju | i haven't hit the site before, AFAIK |
| 18:45.30 | mindjuju | fails in FF, chrome for me |
| 18:45.31 | josephscott | also works in FF |
| 18:45.35 | mindjuju | digging out IE |
| 18:45.50 | mindjuju | IE the same |
| 18:46.14 | josephscott | lame |
| 18:47.55 | josephscott | ~rlart user-agent sniffing |
| 18:47.59 | josephscott | oops |
| 18:48.06 | josephscott | ~lart user-agent sniffing |
| 18:48.06 | ibot | crushes user-agent sniffing with a full height scsi disk |
| 18:48.41 | mgeary | "You're forbidden to view the my site with such a crappy browser" |
| 18:48.48 | jsmith | Works for me in FF on Linux |
| 18:51.37 | beandog | Hmm |
| 18:52.09 | beandog | I wonder if you could expose vulnerabilities in traffic logging software with nasty user agent strings |
| 18:54.57 | josephscott | no error, but no home page either - http://www.deseretnews.com/ |
| 18:55.07 | josephscott | I wonder who /will/ is |
| 18:56.07 | josephscott | p.tar, wonder what that could be |
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| 19:30.53 | mgeary | ~ffmpeg++ |
| 19:38.36 | mgeary | i just did in one ffmpeg command in 5 minutes what has taken me 2+ hours in the past using Quicktime Pro and Flash encoders |
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| 20:07.31 | mgeary | hey, how do i know what version of a package apt-get will install? |
| 20:07.36 | mgeary | (before i install it) |
| 20:08.57 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: aptitude show package |
| 20:09.13 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: right on. thanks |
| 20:11.16 | beandog | mgeary, yay ffmpeg |
| 20:11.46 | mgeary | totally |
| 20:12.03 | mgeary | however, while the version installed on my Mac is awesome, i'm having issues with the version on an Ubuntu machine |
| 20:12.34 | DexterTheDragon | thats cause ffmpeg on ubuntu is crap |
| 20:15.10 | mgeary | well that's unfortunate |
| 20:18.10 | SunSparc | herlo: utosc.com is down. |
| 20:18.28 | mgeary | ~again herlo |
| 20:18.50 | herlo | SunSparc: no, it's *always* been down since the server crashed last week |
| 20:18.59 | SunSparc | Ah |
| 20:19.00 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:19.02 | SunSparc | Ok |
| 20:19.02 | herlo | mgeary: utos.org is back up though |
| 20:19.19 | mgeary | ~rib herlo |
| 20:19.19 | ibot | ACTION sharpens her elbows and jabs them playfully into herlo's ribs, "i'm just sayin'!" |
| 20:19.23 | herlo | SunSparc: our dns server crashed, which also held utosc.com's data |
| 20:19.32 | SunSparc | herlo: need help? |
| 20:19.33 | herlo | mgeary: check /topic on #utos |
| 20:20.45 | mgeary | hey beandog |
| 20:20.52 | beandog | mgeary, yo |
| 20:21.05 | beandog | use -qscale 1.0 |
| 20:21.09 | beandog | that's the answer. |
| 20:21.38 | mgeary | so, i'm trying to generate a jpeg from a particular time offset of a video. In the past i've done: ffmpeg -i input.mpg -ss 10 -f image2 preview.jpg |
| 20:21.44 | mgeary | that will grab a frame 10 seconds in |
| 20:22.17 | beandog | mgeary, okay |
| 20:22.31 | mgeary | but on this machine, while it does indeed generate the requested image, it then appears to continue to process the entire video. I only get one output file, but it takes a long time |
| 20:22.42 | mgeary | any thoughts on why? |
| 20:22.55 | mgeary | or how to fix? |
| 20:23.17 | beandog | well you dont have a stopping point |
| 20:23.24 | beandog | you're just saying, start at 10 seconds, go to end |
| 20:23.34 | beandog | you would need -t or -frames or something |
| 20:24.03 | beandog | er, wait, -frames isn't an option. |
| 20:24.18 | mgeary | on my mac, that syntax ^ works just fine |
| 20:24.36 | mgeary | aha |
| 20:24.36 | beandog | -dframes <int> ? |
| 20:24.38 | beandog | mebbe |
| 20:24.38 | mgeary | -vframes |
| 20:24.46 | beandog | ah, yahr. |
| 20:25.04 | mgeary | yahr |
| 20:25.31 | mgeary | ~beandog++ |
| 20:40.41 | SunSparc | mindjuju: You started quite a thread on Plug. |
| 20:41.32 | mgeary | ~blame mindjuju |
| 20:41.32 | ibot | ACTION blames mindjuju (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:42.28 | beandog | mindjuju, whatd you do! |
| 20:42.49 | beandog | Plug is a hornet's nest |
| 20:44.14 | josephscott | why is mindjuju bothering the folks at the Phoenix Linux User Group ? |
| 20:44.55 | mgeary | you know how cantankerous he is |
| 20:46.32 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:46.48 | SunSparc | It was all good until wps brought out the term "PHP". |
| 20:47.01 | SunSparc | That is a big no-no on the Plug list. |
| 20:47.30 | SunSparc | Though the ensuing flame wars are often entertaining. |
| 20:47.54 | mgeary | i submit that Linux wouldn't be where it is today if it hadn't been for PHP |
| 20:48.52 | SunSparc | Well, it is the P in LAMP. |
| 20:49.15 | josephscott | "no real 3rd-party libraries" ROFL!! |
| 20:49.37 | josephscott | PHP is a big container of glue, the thing is 90% 3rd party libs |
| 20:49.46 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:50.03 | SunSparc | Good analogy |
| 20:51.11 | josephscott | wow, reading though the replies is just painful, mostly mis-information and personal judgement calls |
| 20:51.30 | SunSparc | Yep. There are some pretty clever quips though. |
| 20:51.39 | beandog | SunSparc, seriously, one does not speak of php on plug |
| 20:51.48 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:51.56 | SunSparc | josephscott: Like Curley's, "Romans, however, didn't program in C. Not having any 0, they had no way |
| 20:51.57 | SunSparc | to properly terminate a string." |
| 20:52.19 | josephscott | hehe, that was kind of funny |
| 20:52.22 | josephscott | not helpful, but funny |
| 20:52.29 | SunSparc | Exactly. |
| 20:52.34 | SunSparc | I enjoy the entertainment value. |
| 20:53.11 | josephscott | "One of the |
| 20:53.12 | josephscott | huge advantages of Perl at the moment is CPAN" |
| 20:53.21 | josephscott | where moment == the last dozen years |
| 20:53.29 | beandog | lol |
| 20:53.36 | beandog | ~josephscott++ |
| 20:53.59 | SunSparc | josephscott: Yeah, ummm... hello, how long have you been using perl? :) |
| 20:54.03 | josephscott | ask a subjective question, get a whole bunch of subjective/conflicting answers I guess |
| 20:54.10 | SunSparc | So true |
| 20:54.24 | josephscott | SunSparc: I started with Perl in 1996 |
| 20:54.42 | SunSparc | josephscott: I know, the question was in response to the quote. |
| 20:54.45 | josephscott | I picked dozen because it was easy, CPAN has been around and useful for longer |
| 20:55.23 | SunSparc | I was helping you mock, though you were doing a great job on your own. ;) |
| 20:55.36 | josephscott | utosc dns is still down? |
| 20:55.42 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 20:55.44 | josephscott | SunSparc: thanks :-) |
| 20:55.48 | josephscott | what's up with that? |
| 20:56.43 | josephscott | I know people who have broken all these rules - http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2010-November/024179.html - and still survived |
| 20:57.21 | utahcon | utosc has a dns? |
| 20:57.53 | josephscott | I don't think I've met many of these folks in person, but some of their replies on that thread are tainting them already |
| 20:58.43 | herlo | josephscott: no, utosc dns is not down, the utosc server is down, which used to host our dns |
| 20:58.50 | beandog | Its amazing how the Internet magniifes people's bad attitudes. |
| 20:59.17 | josephscott | herlo: so why is the site down? the server died? |
| 20:59.43 | herlo | josephscott: the hard drive |
| 21:00.10 | josephscott | "(no chat topic is set)" |
| 21:00.46 | josephscott | gah, irc client joined #utos on the wrong server |
| 21:01.02 | josephscott | utos.org is back, but utosc.com is still out of commission, new hard drive needed...will order soon |
| 21:01.21 | herlo | indeed |
| 21:01.34 | josephscott | herlo: surely we can get someone to donate a HD, where is the server? |
| 21:02.09 | beandog | I only donate lungs |
| 21:02.15 | herlo | josephscott: in my truck |
| 21:02.20 | herlo | josephscott: it's not necessary |
| 21:02.29 | herlo | I have a new hdd, it's just time I don't have to get it in place |
| 21:02.42 | herlo | I'm hoping to have it back down in the DC this week or next |
| 21:02.53 | beandog | herlo, wheres your dc? |
| 21:02.53 | herlo | just need to replace the hdd, get the data back up and going, and we're set |
| 21:02.59 | herlo | beandog: c7dc in orem |
| 21:03.04 | beandog | herlo, yahr? |
| 21:03.18 | herlo | used to be tierfour, also have stuff at codegreene on the xm alleynet |
| 21:04.36 | beandog | nice. |
| 21:05.04 | SunSparc | herlo: this is a good case study for the use of Virtual Private Servers. |
| 21:05.15 | herlo | SunSparc: no it's not |
| 21:05.19 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:05.31 | herlo | SunSparc: we have hardware, so we should use them, they were donated so is the space |
| 21:05.36 | SunSparc | beandog: gotta love that static cling. |
| 21:06.46 | SunSparc | herlo: Somebody donated to me a rubber chicken. Does that mean that I should use it for something? |
| 21:06.57 | herlo | SunSparc: that's not a valid argument and you know it |
| 21:07.08 | josephscott | yes, moonlight as a stand up comic |
| 21:07.11 | SunSparc | I know, but it was humorous to me. |
| 21:07.29 | herlo | each situation is different, so I think it comes down to the situation to decide, SunSparc, you crack me up :) |
| 21:07.49 | SunSparc | herlo: :) |
| 21:08.03 | SunSparc | herlo: I could probably find a VPS that could be donated to utosc. |
| 21:08.16 | herlo | luckily, there are a lot of common situations, which then you can develop standard best practices. I think in this case, we have a VPS, but weren't using it that way |
| 21:08.45 | herlo | SunSparc: I am sure it can be done, but I don't know that it's necessary, because it still comes down to someone's time to set it up and configure it. It's not all that hard to do, just takes time |
| 21:09.03 | herlo | SunSparc: if you want to, I am sure that mindjuju would love to have you manage the utos servers |
| 21:09.25 | herlo | I'm starting to step away from this role anyway, so it's more about finding someone else who could do the work. I'd be very appreciative |
| 21:09.36 | herlo | as well |
| 21:09.56 | beandog | which role? |
| 21:10.01 | herlo | beandog: server admin |
| 21:10.03 | SunSparc | Well, I am certainly willing to consider it. |
| 21:10.04 | beandog | Oh |
| 21:10.06 | herlo | do it everything guy |
| 21:10.27 | herlo | like, next summer |
| 21:10.52 | herlo | if you didn't know this, please read up: http://sexysexypenguins.com/2010/09/09/the-end-of-an-era-starting-a-new-job-and-a-new-life/ |
| 21:11.01 | herlo | :P |
| 21:11.32 | beandog | yah I remember reading that. |
| 21:13.53 | SunSparc | herlo: You are going to teach Red Hat stuff? |
| 21:14.10 | herlo | SunSparc: I *am* teaching rh stuff, but I just recently landed a contract up at skullcandy |
| 21:14.21 | herlo | so I've been doing that for the past few weeks. |
| 21:14.45 | SunSparc | Oh yeah, heard about that. Cool beans. |
| 21:14.52 | SunSparc | You get some new headphones yet? |
| 21:15.15 | SunSparc | We did some work for them and got some headphones out of it. |
| 21:15.24 | herlo | i did |
| 21:15.31 | herlo | SunSparc: who do you work for? |
| 21:15.31 | SunSparc | Right on |
| 21:15.36 | SunSparc | Rain |
| 21:15.40 | herlo | oh nice! |
| 21:15.47 | SunSparc | It is. |
| 21:16.00 | herlo | SunSparc: are you affiliated with mediarain? |
| 21:16.17 | SunSparc | mediarain = Rain |
| 21:16.21 | herlo | oh haha |
| 21:16.27 | herlo | I know nate and bryce |
| 21:16.31 | herlo | tell them hi for me |
| 21:16.39 | SunSparc | Heh, will do. |
| 21:16.41 | herlo | they are doing our work up here right now on the iphone project iirc |
| 21:16.50 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 21:17.14 | SunSparc | Skullcandy has gotten to be huge. |
| 21:19.55 | herlo | yup |
| 21:20.04 | herlo | they are at 120 employees or so now I guess |
| 21:20.27 | influx | w 1 |
| 21:20.30 | SunSparc | Good news for them, and us. :) |
| 21:20.33 | herlo | indeed |
| 21:20.35 | herlo | for everyone :) |
| 21:22.07 | thebigdog | pretty awesome idea for project management http://bettermeans.com/ |
| 21:29.31 | SunSparc | thebigdog: I like it. Or at least the concept. I would have to try it out to see if it really works. |
| 21:30.35 | beandog | intresting. |
| 21:30.43 | beandog | Im skeptical about the "no roles" work philosophy. |
| 21:33.13 | unum | a friend of mine worked at a company with out managers |
| 21:33.19 | unum | he was very happy to leave the place |
| 21:33.38 | beandog | unum, yah, same thing happened for a brother-in-law |
| 21:33.45 | beandog | he couldnt get out of there fast enough |
| 21:34.23 | unum | basically he ended up fulfilling the role of manager+developer at the pay of a developer |
| 21:40.16 | SunSparc | I think the concept is sound. I think that in order for it to work, everyone involved would need to be educated and and "buy-in" to the concept. Just like society. Utopia could work, but it take people being responsible and accountable and moral. |
| 21:40.59 | SunSparc | Someone would probably need to take the role of making sure the system continued working as it should. |
| 21:41.05 | unum | ya |
| 21:41.07 | mindjuju | DP steakhouse FAIL - map to their Lehi location resolves to DC |
| 21:41.15 | mindjuju | maybe i hsould pick somewhere else for lunch? |
| 21:41.15 | unum | you need enforcement of the rules |
| 21:41.35 | mindjuju | err, meant, dp cheesesteaks |
| 21:41.38 | unum | as my polisci professor always told us, incentives matter |
| 21:41.40 | SunSparc | mindjuju: You mea DP Cheesesteaks? |
| 21:41.43 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 21:41.51 | mindjuju | no worry, i found it on google map |
| 21:41.51 | SunSparc | I can pinpoint it for you. |
| 21:41.58 | SunSparc | k |
| 21:42.06 | mindjuju | just saying, everybody should just give up on maps, and default to google |
| 21:42.17 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Amen |
| 21:42.22 | SunSparc | Google Maps rocks. |
| 21:42.24 | beandog | mindjuju, huh? |
| 21:42.45 | mindjuju | @beandog, go to this page |
| 21:42.46 | mindjuju | http://www.thedowntownphilly.com/locations.php |
| 21:42.47 | SunSparc | unum: incentives are everything |
| 21:42.53 | mindjuju | and click for the directions to lehi |
| 21:43.09 | beandog | there is no lehi |
| 21:43.58 | mindjuju | curiously though, oh weird, the map it brings up appears to be utah, but it says they pulled up DC for you |
| 21:44.01 | mindjuju | that's REALLY jacked |
| 21:44.41 | mindjuju | yeah, yahoo maps prolly get you killed like mapquest |
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| 21:46.11 | thebigdog | SunSparc y beandog i think it has some pretty awesome potential is some development houses...i for one like the no roles and the ability to work on things that interest you. but then again it might not be for all types of employees |
| 21:46.44 | SunSparc | thebigdog: Agreed. |
| 21:47.24 | beandog | I dunno |
| 21:47.27 | beandog | Sounds good, on paper. |
| 21:47.35 | SunSparc | I think it also depends on what drives you. If you are money driven, something like that probably will not work. But if you are paid well enough that money is not the major concern then you can be more passion driven. |
| 21:47.55 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 21:47.59 | beandog | srsly |
| 21:48.05 | beandog | I see it as a necessary evil. |
| 21:48.14 | SunSparc | beandog is cookie driven |
| 21:48.20 | beandog | lol |
| 21:48.38 | unum | there are always non-fun parts to work |
| 21:48.38 | beandog | ~SunSparc++ |
| 21:48.43 | SunSparc | WOOT! |
| 21:48.45 | beandog | My eventual goal is to work for a non-profit |
| 21:49.18 | beandog | and not in IT. |
| 21:49.23 | beandog | Oh well. |
| 21:49.26 | beandog | Someday. |
| 21:49.27 | beandog | :) |
| 21:49.33 | beandog | When I get my bachelors |
| 21:49.42 | SunSparc | It'll happen for you, beandog, someday. |
| 21:49.47 | beandog | Aye |
| 21:49.54 | beandog | I was talking to one of the guys in the ward yesterday |
| 21:50.03 | beandog | He used to work for the BSA for like 7 years or something |
| 21:50.06 | unum | I think pashdown is still looking for someone to run his non-profit |
| 21:50.18 | unum | how good are you at fund raising? |
| 21:50.20 | beandog | He got his degree in Youth Administration or something at BYU |
| 21:50.45 | beandog | unum, I remember I sold a lot of crap when I was in middle school |
| 21:50.58 | SunSparc | heh |
| 21:51.01 | beandog | "wanna buy some chocolate?" |
| 21:51.13 | beandog | heh that reminds me of that MitM episode, where Dewey sells "Liberty Bars" |
| 21:51.18 | SunSparc | BSA seems like it could be cool, but I have seen how some of that stuff is run. Hideous. |
| 21:52.03 | SunSparc | Seems like a bureaucratic nightmare. |
| 21:52.10 | beandog | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6070680169055861190# |
| 21:52.57 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: selling chocolate to yourself doesn't count |
| 21:53.58 | beandog | "war is not the answer" bumper sticker |
| 21:53.59 | beandog | win |
| 21:54.05 | SunSparc | ROB |
| 21:54.05 | SunSparc | |
| 21:54.13 | SunSparc | ROFL |
| 21:54.50 | beandog | :) |
| 21:55.09 | SunSparc | ~beandog++ |
| 21:55.47 | beandog | heh |
| 21:56.50 | beandog | I just noticed Im out of cookies. :C |
| 21:57.48 | SunSparc | Case and point. |
| 22:01.16 | stderr | s/and/in |
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| 22:01.27 | SunSparc | stderr: thanks |
| 22:06.21 | beandog | stderr, hows married life |
| 22:09.02 | mgeary | woah, stderr got hitched? |
| 22:09.55 | stderr | SunSparc: np |
| 22:10.00 | stderr | beandog: pretty good :) |
| 22:10.03 | stderr | mgeary: indeed sir |
| 22:10.15 | mgeary | congratulations! |
| 22:10.55 | stderr | thanks :) |
| 22:11.06 | beandog | did you propose on the way to taco bell? |
| 22:11.20 | stderr | inside, actually |
| 22:11.31 | beandog | nice |
| 22:13.22 | beandog | If I can't go for classy, I can go for unforgettable |
| 22:15.56 | stderr | mgeary: jeez, brother, add a photo to FB ;-) |
| 22:16.00 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 22:16.07 | mgeary | who, me? |
| 22:16.13 | mgeary | facewhat? |
| 22:16.43 | mgeary | is that the Tetons? |
| 22:16.54 | stderr | yea |
| 22:16.55 | mgeary | which lake are you guys at? |
| 22:17.32 | stderr | that was Jackson Lake, at one of the backcountry camping sites on the far side |
| 22:17.45 | mgeary | Jenny Lake, between Jackson and Coulter bay is about the most beautiful lake i've ever seen |
| 22:19.12 | stderr | yea, a little too crowded for us, but I've done the hike numerous times |
| 22:28.47 | josephscott | mindjuju: need to update the utah js group, new date and place - http://utahjs.com/location/ |
| 22:29.20 | josephscott | sorry, need to update the google calendar entry for them |
| 22:30.27 | beandog | we have a javascript group?? |
| 22:31.04 | josephscott | I guess so |
| 22:31.08 | DexterTheDragon | josephscott: fixed |
| 22:31.09 | josephscott | did anyone go this http://utwebconf.com/ ? |
| 22:31.12 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: thanks |
| 22:31.52 | beandog | what is nodejs anyway? Ive seen the homepage, but it went over my head |
| 22:31.52 | herlo | josephscott: I didn't, where did you find that?? |
| 22:32.07 | herlo | beandog: it's like twisted for python, streaming uploads and downloads iirc |
| 22:32.10 | herlo | can do a ton more though |
| 22:32.11 | josephscott | it was mentioned on utahjs.com |
| 22:32.18 | herlo | oh, interesting |
| 22:32.33 | beandog | herlo, .... whats twisted? :T |
| 22:32.34 | josephscott | nodejs is interesting |
| 22:32.43 | herlo | beandog: read above |
| 22:32.50 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: its evented programming in javascript |
| 22:32.56 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, eh? |
| 22:33.08 | herlo | ~kick beandog |
| 22:33.08 | ibot | ACTION kicks beandog |
| 22:33.29 | herlo | ~lmgtfy beandog |
| 22:33.29 | ibot | ACTION thinks you should look here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=beandog |
| 22:33.29 | josephscott | might take a bit to shake out some of the async issues with nodejs, but is very interesting |
| 22:33.31 | herlo | ahh! that one should be there |
| 22:33.38 | herlo | oh, it is :) |
| 22:34.18 | herlo | ooh, don't look at the first resulst there my friend - whooooa! |
| 22:34.37 | beandog | oh boy |
| 22:34.39 | fungus | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beandog |
| 22:34.47 | fungus | o_O |
| 22:35.09 | josephscott | that site can get dumped to /dev/null for the most part |
| 22:35.16 | beandog | I'm famous |
| 22:35.19 | beandog | Just not in the way I expected. |
| 22:36.11 | beandog | so, node js has something to do with event driven programming. |
| 22:36.27 | beandog | that just made me more lost. |
| 22:36.29 | beandog | oh well. |
| 22:37.50 | josephscott | allows you to run JS on the server side |
| 22:38.05 | herlo | josephscott: not really |
| 22:38.21 | josephscott | herlo: that is my over simplified version :-) |
| 22:38.23 | herlo | it's just javascript syntax, it's more like a listener for events.... |
| 22:38.26 | herlo | josephscott: lol, okay |
| 22:38.27 | DexterTheDragon | js could already run on the server side |
| 22:38.33 | herlo | indeed |
| 22:38.44 | josephscott | yep, but had a very rough life doing it |
| 22:38.46 | DexterTheDragon | node.js gives you evented I/O when doing js |
| 22:39.04 | josephscott | JS has been available on the server side for as long as there has been JS in the browser |
| 22:39.22 | mgeary | stop |
| 22:39.25 | mgeary | i'm having flashbacks |
| 22:39.53 | josephscott | you get event abilities because node.js is JS |
| 22:40.15 | mindjuju | i can't believe my question to PLUG about scripting languages made it all the way to the Tea Party |
| 22:40.26 | mindjuju | or rather, that they'd bring that up there |
| 22:40.39 | mgeary | ?? |
| 22:40.39 | josephscott | thanks to http://code.google.com/p/v8/ |
| 22:40.55 | mgeary | mindjuju: how did that connection arise? |
| 22:41.10 | DexterTheDragon | yeah but they've done the work to make like HTTP, DB, DNS, File Access, etc all asynchronous |
| 22:41.17 | beandog | mindjuju, nothing is unpossible on plug |
| 22:41.34 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, josephscott you guys totally lost me. |
| 22:41.38 | mindjuju | i'll see if i can find it |
| 22:41.46 | orsonj | simply: people who use (editor X) are like (political party Y) |
| 22:41.47 | DexterTheDragon | also node provides a way to have libraries and require them into js |
| 22:41.48 | herlo | mindjuju: two words 'stuart jansen' |
| 22:42.03 | mindjuju | @mgeary |
| 22:42.04 | mindjuju | As for the rails dilemma, I fully agree. Rails is awesome, don't get me |
| 22:42.04 | mindjuju | wrong, but the fanboi hordes that have loitered the community are |
| 22:42.04 | mindjuju | much like those pertaining to the Tea Party. Both are extremely |
| 22:42.04 | mindjuju | unfortunate and are to be avoided. |
| 22:42.16 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: yep, and that is the area where node.js is still going to have the biggest issues, many of the libs people are used to using don't do async well/at all |
| 22:42.24 | orsonj | yep, totally called it. |
| 22:43.04 | mgeary | mindjuju: hah |
| 22:43.06 | mgeary | thanks |
| 22:43.56 | herlo | mindjuju: yup, Stuart Jansen |
| 22:44.10 | herlo | oh, wait |
| 22:44.27 | mindjuju | that was Von Fugal |
| 22:44.41 | mindjuju | i need to put names -> nicks |
| 22:44.52 | herlo | yeah |
| 22:45.23 | herlo | Both nice guys, but way way way too into discussions and love to bring politics into the mix |
| 22:45.43 | mindjuju | in the end though, i've taken this out of the thread, Learn Bash first, PERL second then Python |
| 22:45.56 | beandog | bash is awesome. perl is dead. python is cool. |
| 22:46.04 | beandog | politics is insanity. |
| 22:46.07 | beandog | </opinion> |
| 22:46.14 | herlo | beandog: I disagree on perl beign dead, but I don't use it a ton |
| 22:46.24 | herlo | too powerful to really die |
| 22:46.37 | fungus | perl isn't quite dead yet, but it's definitely in a convalescence home. |
| 22:46.59 | fungus | and still useful |
| 22:47.01 | beandog | fungus awakes |
| 22:47.30 | mindjuju | he's not in this chan, and curiously, hasn't responded to the thread |
| 22:47.35 | stderr | http://photos.truedat.org/black_ops.png :9 |
| 22:47.59 | beandog | herlo, I dont think its outdated |
| 22:48.08 | beandog | herlo, but from my perspective, it doesnt seem as popular as it was 10 years ago. |
| 22:48.10 | undertakingyou | mindjuju: true, but he has super PERL hearing, I thought he would be here by now :) |
| 22:48.11 | beandog | thats my viewpoint. |
| 22:48.31 | mindjuju | @stderr, i still haven't played any in that franchise |
| 22:49.19 | josephscott | mindjuju: better to pick one and get work done, than to never pick anything and get nothing done |
| 22:49.30 | mindjuju | fo sho |
| 22:49.35 | beandog | josephscott, amen, brother. |
| 22:49.51 | beandog | The problem with asking people for their opinion is they'll give it to you. |
| 22:49.53 | fungus | I wanted to play for a while until I saw a scene in which you are invade an airport and are supposed to kill tons of innocent civillians. |
| 22:50.31 | fungus | It was way to realistic and made me a little sick |
| 22:50.33 | mindjuju | @beandog, it is their opinion that I want though, they've already been done the road i'm headed, why not ask to see what to expect? |
| 22:50.45 | unum | can we all just agree that qbasic is outdated? |
| 22:50.48 | beandog | mindjuju, well, theres opinion and theres strong bias. |
| 22:50.56 | unum | yes I'm going to keep whining until it's gone |
| 22:51.00 | stderr | fungus: you know you can skip that scene, right? |
| 22:51.06 | beandog | mindjuju, personally, my take is if someone isn't familiar with it, then its bias. |
| 22:51.16 | fungus | stderr, it's not a scene, it's a playable mission. |
| 22:51.37 | beandog | anyway, whatever |
| 22:52.08 | stderr | fungus: semantics. You can skip it. |
| 22:52.16 | stderr | it gives you the option beforehand. |
| 22:52.33 | fungus | you can skip a mission? that might be better . |
| 22:52.48 | stderr | You can skip that particular mission. |
| 22:52.49 | mindjuju | can you play computer v console? |
| 22:52.59 | mindjuju | i saw black ops on steam |
| 22:53.08 | stderr | negative, but you can play with keyboard / mouse on the PS3 |
| 22:54.11 | mindjuju | err, beating |
| 22:54.27 | SunSparc | fungus: I played the airport mission. It was pretty disturbing. |
| 22:54.43 | fungus | yeah I watched someone else play it. Creeped me out. |
| 22:55.07 | SunSparc | Makes you wonder how a human can get to the point that they think that way. |
| 22:55.19 | fungus | but then, i'm a sensitive, tree-hugging, hippy. :P |
| 22:55.29 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:58.03 | fungus | whoa. Black Ops is a seriously popular game. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/100-copies-of-new-call-of-duty-stolen-in-armed-gamestop-robbery.ars |
| 22:58.36 | beandog | fungus, you're a hippy? |
| 22:59.20 | fungus | lol, I wouldn't classify myself that way, but others that lean the opposite direction think I am. |
| 22:59.37 | beandog | "others that lean the opposite direction" lols |
| 23:00.02 | beandog | thats great. |
| 23:00.11 | beandog | ~give fungus a tamborine |
| 23:00.11 | ibot | ACTION gives a tamborine to fungus |
| 23:00.43 | mindjuju | i don't think of fungus as a hippie, i think of him as a vegetarian |
| 23:01.06 | fungus | on one hand, I'm a vegetarian, love animals, like outdoors, heavy into compassion for others. |
| 23:01.44 | fungus | On the other, I don't smoke pot (anymore), I pay taxes, drive a car (not a VW), etc. |
| 23:02.06 | josephscott | sorry, you must drive a VW bus to be a hippy |
| 23:02.07 | beandog | It would have been more intresting if you said you don't pay taxes anymore. |
| 23:02.28 | beandog | er, wait, that just proves your point. |
| 23:02.32 | mgeary | ~log |
| 23:02.35 | beandog | reading comprehension fail |
| 23:02.47 | mgeary | ~incriminate fungus |
| 23:02.51 | fungus | So I'm not a hippy. just half way there. |
| 23:03.00 | beandog | a halfway hippy |
| 23:03.11 | mgeary | just hip |
| 23:03.17 | beandog | lol, nice |
| 23:03.18 | stderr | or pee |
| 23:03.23 | beandog | ibot, fungus is a hip |
| 23:03.23 | ibot | ...but fungus is already something else... |
| 23:03.27 | beandog | ibot, fungus is also a hip |
| 23:03.28 | ibot | okay, beandog |
| 23:03.33 | beandog | ~fungus |
| 23:03.34 | ibot | it has been said that fungus is Kinda smelly, but grows on you, or a ASCII guru, or an Okra fan, or the new hawtness, or a hip |
| 23:03.45 | mindjuju | woah |
| 23:03.48 | mindjuju | kinda smelly? |
| 23:04.03 | mindjuju | okra is good, especially fried |
| 23:06.36 | fungus | ok, i'm in a hippy mood now. |
| 23:08.25 | beandog | http://www.ultimatedisney.com/images/northavenue7.jpg |
| 23:09.33 | mindjuju | cool pic |
| 23:09.37 | fungus | or the other "Bob" |
| 23:10.21 | fungus | run out of time? how? You should schedule time for that. |
| 23:10.27 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:10.30 | SunSparc | mindjuju: By "try" do you mean you actually started watching it, or wanted to? |
| 23:10.56 | mindjuju | well, like i thought to myself, everybody on #uphpu says i should watch it, i've bought it, but never unwrapped |
| 23:11.04 | mindjuju | maybe i should pop some popcorn and sit and watch |
| 23:11.13 | SunSparc | Watch, or watch not. There is no try. |
| 23:11.14 | mindjuju | but then i got interuppted and then |
| 23:11.18 | fungus | ah. Well put it in your calendar if you need to |
| 23:11.24 | unum | that's a big block of time to have to schedule |
| 23:11.38 | unum | I think it should have been two movies |
| 23:11.56 | beandog | it could have been two easily |
| 23:12.07 | mindjuju | have they made a 3rd? |
| 23:12.17 | beandog | no |
| 23:12.20 | mindjuju | are they are are they going to reboot like spidy? |
| 23:12.30 | beandog | spidey needs a reboot |
| 23:12.33 | beandog | #3 was horrible. |
| 23:12.46 | mindjuju | didn't see 3? but honest, how could you get better than rami? |
| 23:13.04 | beandog | don't watch #3 |
| 23:13.09 | stderr | 3 was horrific |
| 23:13.34 | mindjuju | i have a thing about watching sequels, i usually don't unless under HORRIBLE persuasion |
| 23:13.35 | beandog | this is why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ9r8dE7_iY |
| 23:14.14 | beandog | prepare to have childhood memories destroyed |
| 23:14.25 | fungus | wow, was that really in the movie? |
| 23:14.34 | beandog | fungus, thats only half the bad part |
| 23:14.40 | mindjuju | ? |
| 23:14.41 | fungus | I think my PTSD blocked it all out. |
| 23:14.44 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Toy Story bucks that model |
| 23:14.45 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 23:14.48 | beandog | Im looking for the one where he goes dancing down the sidewalk |
| 23:15.17 | beandog | here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLqsdPUfnno&feature=related |
| 23:15.31 | mindjuju | toy story > toy story 2 ??toystory 3 (haven't seen) |
| 23:15.45 | stderr | Toy Story 3 was fantastic |
| 23:15.56 | stderr | possibly better than the first two |
| 23:16.06 | beandog | oh wow, I cant watch any more |
| 23:16.37 | josephscott | spiderman #3 tried to do too much |
| 23:16.48 | SunSparc | To be fair to Spiderman, that was not spiderman. That was the black space goo at work. ;) |
| 23:17.13 | mindjuju | darn, i thought rami could do no evil (no pun intended), but that's pretty curious |
| 23:23.55 | DexterTheDragon | so am I the only person who actually likes spiderman 3? |
| 23:24.06 | mindjuju | haven't seen it |
| 23:24.24 | mindjuju | but then again, i ahven't seen grumpier old men neither |
| 23:25.23 | josephscott | it was ok, just too busy though trying to explain too much |
| 23:26.00 | DexterTheDragon | I thought making sandman uncle ben's killer was kinda dumb, but whatevs |
| 23:26.12 | josephscott | I would have preferred more in depth time with space goo |
| 23:27.46 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: I liked S3. |
| 23:28.26 | SunSparc | They did try to fit a lot in it. Though I like that it had a happy ending. A bit of a moral to the story. |
| 23:28.58 | beandog | I liked the part where Aquaman kicked Batman's butt. |
| 23:29.12 | SunSparc | heh |
| 23:29.16 | mindjuju | aquaman was in sp3? |
| 23:29.19 | beandog | oops, spoiler alert. |
| 23:29.21 | mindjuju | and batman too? |
| 23:29.23 | beandog | ignore that, mindjuju |
| 23:29.29 | mindjuju | your kidding |
| 23:29.31 | mindjuju | really? |
| 23:29.36 | mindjuju | in sp3? |
| 23:29.58 | DexterTheDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.59 | beandog | I can neither confirm nor deny the appearance of Batman or Aquaman. |
| 23:30.03 | SunSparc | That reminds me of the Batman HISHE where Superman comes and helps Batman out. |
| 23:30.27 | SunSparc | Hilarious |
| 23:30.47 | beandog | SunSparc, yah thats a movie |
| 23:30.52 | beandog | or a three parter, actually |
| 23:30.57 | mindjuju | maybe i should wiki to get more info on this spdy3 and batman |
| 23:30.59 | beandog | The Batman-Superman movie |
| 23:31.04 | beandog | mindjuju, I'm totally kidding. :) |
| 23:31.14 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:31.26 | beandog | mindjuju, but I'll tell you who really makes an appearance .. Marvin and Wendy from the Super Friends |
| 23:31.49 | beandog | thats what makes it so entertaining. :) |
| 23:32.12 | beandog | Spiderman = Marvel, Batman / Aquaman = DC, so that should clear it up. |
| 23:32.37 | josephscott | wonder twin powers .... |
| 23:32.58 | mindjuju | @beandog, there was a crossover series a long time ago |
| 23:33.07 | beandog | form of ... exisistensial philosophies! |
| 23:33.08 | mindjuju | where DC world + Marvel world collided |
| 23:33.14 | beandog | shape of ... beaurcratic nightmare! |
| 23:33.22 | mindjuju | and you had batman + wolverine |
| 23:33.24 | beandog | I wonder what would happen. |
| 23:33.26 | mindjuju | and other combos |
| 23:33.39 | beandog | mindjuju, you mean like that Scooby Doo episode where Mr. T shows up? |
| 23:33.55 | josephscott | or the harlem globe trotters |
| 23:34.19 | mindjuju | seems like there was something of the infinity crisis show up in the scrooge mcDuck comic |
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