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04:11.08josephscottcarmony: did you ever try out phpstorm?
04:12.03carmonyjosephscott: Oh, yeah. It was pretty slow on my machine :P
04:12.12carmonyI think my PHP projects have a lot of code in them, it seems
04:12.35josephscottworse than netbeans?  and was that the 2.0 beta?
04:12.42carmonyit was the beta 2.0
04:13.11josephscottI didn't try it with a large project, checkout WP and a few things, played around with it
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15:24.19brastosaweet!
15:25.14brastoand at Argosy University, where IRC ports, and all other useful ports except 80 are blocked
15:26.18mindjujuthat's awesome
15:26.36brasto~rub it in to herlo
15:26.36ibotACTION massages it in to herlo's shoulders.
15:26.41brastolol
15:26.49macnewbold~rlart
15:26.49ibotexecutes killall -TERM fungus
15:27.08mindjujuah, macnewbold
15:27.10mindjujuhow are you
15:29.29brasto~wizardfire mindjuju
15:29.30ibotACTION lowers his wizard staff and sends a bolt of wizard fire at an unsuspecting mindjuju
15:29.44brastosweet, my wizardfire lart's still there.
15:29.50mindjujuha, i suspected it
15:29.58mindjuju~nosepick brasto
15:29.58ibotACTION plucks brasto out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window!
15:30.06brastolol
15:30.13mindjuju~nyuk brasto
15:30.13ibotACTION grabs brasto nose and hammers it with his other hand!
15:30.27brastotoo back Utah_Dave's not here.  I'd like to send him a lart, too
15:30.39brasto~nuyk
15:30.47macnewboldmindjuju: good, how you doin?
15:30.52brasto~dict nyuk
15:31.01brasto~dict nuyk
15:31.24mindjujukeeping it real
15:31.31brasto~nyuk
15:31.40brasto???
15:31.46brasto~wiki nyuk
15:31.58brasto~kick ibot
15:31.58ibotACTION kicks ibot
15:32.07brasto~wake ibot
15:32.08ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on ibot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
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15:32.32mindjujubrasto - nyuk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKtwlHV1-O8
15:33.12brastosweet, I'll now find out how my 4g tethering handles a youtube video
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15:36.24brastointeresting... I got a call and it interrupted the connection for a bit, but I got reconnected before the call ended.
15:37.00brastomindjuju: I see why only a video would suffice to define nyuk... lol!
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15:42.13brastomindjuju: if you replied to my last message I didn't get it because I played with a phone setting and got disconnected.  Note to self: don't play with 4g tethering in the middle of a chat.
15:42.58brasto~mft
15:43.13mindjujum? family thearpy?
15:43.18brasto~MFT is Marriage and Family Therapy
15:43.18ibotbrasto: okay
15:43.23brasto~mft
15:43.24iboti heard mft is Marriage and Family Therapy
15:43.32mindjujuah
15:43.48brasto~lart ibot for putting decapitalizing MFT
15:43.48ibotchops brasto in half with a free Solaris 7 CD for putting decapitalizing MFT
15:43.48mindjujui thought it might be Microsoft Family Therapy
15:44.47brasto~AAMFT is The American Association for Marriage and Family Therapists
15:44.47ibotbrasto: okay
15:45.14brastothere's two new acronyms for ibot that virtually no techie would likely define but me... lol
15:46.39mindjujuthere isn't, but there shouldbe
15:46.47mindjujuand ibot could be called sigmund
16:11.39cedwardswps: ping
16:11.44wpswhat's up?
16:12.54cedwardswps: do you run the uphpu site?
16:13.00wpsI do
16:13.41cedwardswonder if I might PM you with an idea/request for the site.
16:13.48wpssure
16:14.43carmonyjosephscott: ping
16:14.48josephscottcarmony: yo!
16:15.08carmonyso, what do you find is the key to getting a team to use p2?
16:16.42josephscottkeep the barrier low and the conversation frequent
16:17.11josephscotton WPCOM you can have posts and comments delivered via IM, which helps keep things timely
16:18.38josephscottwhich is really handy because all of our internal P2s are private, so feeds don't work
16:19.20carmonyah, very cool. Can p2 talk to skype?
16:20.45josephscottnot on WPCOM
16:21.03josephscottif someone has written a plugin for WPORG then it could work there
16:21.24josephscottI think using skype for 3rd party things like that is much harder than jabber/IM
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16:28.35carmonyyeah
16:29.31mindjujucarmony PM
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16:34.26mindjuju~apb herlo
16:34.26ibotACTION summons Beth to spray mace at herlo
16:37.01wpsa lot of external hard drives come with eSata
16:37.07wpsI don't know of any computers that have eSata ports though
16:37.10wpswhere would you use that?
16:37.31herlomindjuju: wut!
16:37.32mgearyyou'd buy a eSata card and install it in your machine
16:37.33herlo:)
16:37.34mindjujusome motherboards come with the connectors
16:37.37mgearyand that'd give you an eSata port
16:37.47wpshow does eSata compare to firewire 800?
16:37.51wpsspeed-wise
16:38.11josephscotthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#eSATA
16:38.28mgearyabout double, iirc
16:38.39mindjujuwe're moving our backup schema to eSATA
16:38.45fungusmore than double
16:38.46mindjujubecause of the convenience and speed
16:39.03fungusFW800 ~ 800 Mbps,  eSATA ~ 3000 Mbps
16:39.22wpswow
16:39.58wpscomparison chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#Comparisons_with_other_interfaces
16:40.24josephscottfor today I think esata is pretty much the winner, doesn't feel like the other options have really gone anywhere, like UBS 3.0
16:40.43wpswhat speed is USB 3 supposed to be able to do?
16:40.49wpsoh… there it is on the chart
16:40.50wpsnever mind
16:40.54wpswow… 4,000
16:41.02wpsthat's a huge jump from USB 2
16:41.20josephscottyep, but not supported much yet
16:41.32wpsI wonder what apple will support… Firewire 3200 or USB 4
16:41.33wpsoosp
16:41.36wpsI wonder what apple will support… Firewire 3200 or USB 3
16:41.50fungusApple will probably go with USB3, that's my guess.
16:42.03fungusThey've already pretty much dumped FW from consumer end stuff
16:42.10wpsI heard a report of someone asking Jobs about USB 3 and he said that they don't have plans to embrace it yet because there's not much traction behind it yet
16:42.17wpsI agree, fungus
16:42.28wpswhile I like firewire better, they do seem to be leaving it behind
16:42.29fungusIt'll be a while though.
16:42.35josephscottapple may go with light peak - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Peak
16:43.24wpsgood call, josephscott
16:43.33wpsif that tech exists, why not embrace that
16:43.45josephscottsounds cool, but will have to see if it ever goes any where
16:43.52wpsseems silly to step up to USB 3 when you could go to light peak and get 10,000
16:43.53fungusThat sounds cool, but USB3 has the branding and popularity that will be embraced by hardware makers more quickly.
16:44.01wpsyeah
16:44.04josephscottbecause success is much more than just good tech
16:44.16fungusexactly
16:45.09wpsso, /me wonders… is paying more for an external drive with firewire 800 (instead of USB 2) worth the extra 300 mbits
16:45.12josephscottI do like the concept of a crazy high speed bus that I can use to connect any type of device
16:45.50wps(I'm buying two extra 1TB drives that I can swap out monthly from my safe deposit box at the credit union)
16:46.18carmonyheh, awesome wps
16:46.34wpstriple-redundancy at home doesn't help if your house burns down
16:46.45wpsor your robbed
16:47.06wpsI need to protect against more than just drive failure
16:47.20josephscottoffsite back is good
16:47.29Utah_DaveMozy rocks for that, too
16:47.41josephscottI use dropbox for the major stuff
16:47.44wpsdoes it really work to push 500 GB over the internet though?
16:48.08Utah_DaveIt takes a while, but I do it.
16:48.11josephscottit might, depends on how you use it
16:48.14wpsdropbox rocks indeed and mozy seems great for your documents directory, but do people really use it to back up their movies, music, and photos?
16:48.22Utah_DaveIt's not my only backup solution, but I really like having mozy
16:48.30carmonythe other night, I had a dream I had invented a CPU that instead of using elecricity, it used a special type of light, and so it wouldn't get uber hot like normal CPUs, and I became a billionaire, but I was just excited my laptop wouldn't burn my pants :P
16:48.40wpsit seems like it'd take a year to push have a terabyte over the internet
16:49.13josephscottI generally don't make my home systems the primary store for photos
16:50.18wpsI guess I need one of these: http://store.apple.com/us/product/H1114LL/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
16:51.36josephscottcarmony: so is redis going to see some action in production?
16:51.45carmonyhopefully with a week or two
16:52.29josephscottcool, I'm interested to hear the results after it has been in production for awhile
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17:02.28beandog~v
17:02.28ibotPortable C++ GUI Framework. URL: http://objectcentral.com/
17:02.50beandogwhut
17:05.36wpsmgeary: did you say you were planning on moving to eSata or that you were already using it?
17:06.29DexterTheDragon~lart beandog
17:06.29ibottakes beandog to the vet for a "special" visit
17:07.07beandogbuh
17:08.36carmonyjosephscott: after this though, I'm going to write up a presentation about this whole process, and call it: "MySQL, Redis, and 500 Million Rows - A NoSQL Love Story"
17:08.58beandogWhy do they call it NoSQL?
17:09.08beandogI'm going to start calling my website NoASP
17:09.18carmonyIt used to be No SQL, but now they call it Not-Only-SQL
17:09.42beandogcarmony, oh, not only.  that makes more sense, then.
17:10.00carmonyyeah
17:10.22josephscottcool, I just call it "A Love Story" and drop the NoSQL reference
17:10.36josephscottif you want to give to a mainly tech focused audience
17:10.44carmonyyeah
17:10.54josephscottNoSQL is mostly for marketting
17:11.06josephscottmarketing
17:11.12carmonyheh, its the new "Cloud"
17:11.31josephscottug, those MS commercials have completely pushed that over the edge
17:11.34josephscottdouble ug
17:11.41carmonyyou know "Cloud" has become an ultimate marketing term when it shows up in Microsoft Consumer Commercials
17:12.16beandogcloud stuff is awesome
17:12.46josephscottcloud as a term is just marketing, doesn't mean much for the tech folks
17:12.49josephscottjust like nosql
17:13.26josephscotthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lel3swo4RMc
17:13.29DexterTheDragoncarmony: "a new term for a SQL/NoSQL combo: "data-mullet." Business in the front, party in the back!"
17:13.33josephscott"yeah cloud"    hahahahahahaha
17:13.48josephscottDexterTheDragon: nice!  where did that come from?
17:13.53DexterTheDragontwitter
17:14.27carmonyhaha
17:14.29carmonythats awesome
17:14.30beandogtwitter++
17:15.41carmonyman, I can't believe I used SVN for like... 3 years... without knowing about the SVN Switch command
17:16.34carmonyROFL! Look at this youtube comment: I HAVE WINDOWS 7 BUT I DON'T SEE ANYPLACE TO START USING THIS CLOUD FEATURE ANYONE PLEASE HELP
17:18.28mindjujuwe saw this commercial the other day and Tiff was like, weren't you already doing that a while ago?  I was like yeah, FOSS FTW
17:19.24mindjujuor more descriptively, pfsense FTW
17:20.17josephscottlet this be a lesson, stop using the term cloud if you are trying to convey a real tech item, otherwise you just became the marketing guy
17:21.08mindjujujosephscott, did you see all that hoopla about silverlight being dead, liek on techdirt and elsewhere
17:21.18mindjujuand then ms was all, silverlight isn't dead
17:21.25unumnetflix!!!!
17:21.26mindjujubut all the geeks were rejoicing
17:21.48beandogand the villagers rejoiced ...
17:21.49josephscottit sounded like silverlight, as we know it today, will be used mostly for DRM requirements
17:22.14mindjujuyeah, i saw that, i hear that's how netflix does it
17:22.19josephscotttowards the future, it will be part of their development env, and output other things besides SL required plugin material
17:22.27josephscottyes, netflix uses SL
17:22.44beandogwho watches netflix on windows anyway
17:22.44josephscottand I think that is where things like SL should stay
17:22.47josephscottsame thing for flash
17:22.50beandogwhen you can stream it to every device except android.
17:22.58mindjujuso fungus
17:23.05mindjujudon't you have netflix streaming?
17:23.11mindjujuor was that you beandog?
17:23.18unumthe only devices I own are android :p
17:23.19beandogmindjuju, I have a little Roku box
17:23.29beandogbut I can watch it on the Wii or PS3 too
17:23.37fungusNetflix is awesome.
17:23.52mindjujuso does that mean silverlight on roku or wii?
17:23.58beandogmindjuju, no
17:23.58beandog:B
17:24.05mindjujui wondered
17:24.06fungussilverlight only on windows/mac
17:24.06josephscottSL also runs on mac
17:24.10mindjujuah
17:24.13beandogRoku is running Linux
17:24.16unumI should get a roku box
17:24.22beandogWho knows what Wii is running.
17:24.33beandogwindows 3.1
17:24.35mindjujui was thinking of roku, but i don't have a tv for it
17:24.46beandogmindjuju, how do you not have a TV for it
17:24.56fungusroku works with all TVs
17:25.01fungusunless you don't have a TV?
17:25.08beandogsrsly
17:25.20beandogor unless you need those old two-prong antenna things
17:25.29mindjujuwe've got a tv with the cable thing, and AV inand now that i think about it, svideo
17:26.02fungusgood enough
17:26.30mindjujui just barely bought my first online video the other day
17:26.41mindjujuInfoSoc Concert
17:26.43mindjujuAMAZING
17:26.50mindjujubut now i need a box that can play it
17:27.09fungusall Roku boxes support composite (AV) video
17:27.20mindjujubut i want that box to be able to play our video collection (samba share)
17:27.29mindjujui don't think roku does that
17:28.09beandogI dont think they do network shares right now.
17:28.10beandogThey should.
17:28.11fungusIt does with a third party add-on (channel)
17:28.15beandogoh yah
17:28.17beandogthere is that thing.
17:28.31mindjujureally?
17:28.46mindjujui wish google tv had that
17:29.50fungusNot sure what kind of support for formats it does though.
17:30.06beandoghttp://www.jpsaman.org/jpsaman/node/3
17:30.20fungusFor the network stuff, you should probably stick to some custom Myth box or something
17:30.30beandogsrsly
17:30.40beandogxbmc++
17:30.53mindjujui love xbmc, but i need box to run it
17:30.59beandogmindjuju, get an xbox
17:31.00mindjujuand i need a remote of some kind
17:31.03mindjujui have 3
17:31.07mindjujubut they don't do mp4
17:31.07beandoguse one of those
17:31.12beandogum, whut?
17:31.18beandogsrsly?
17:31.26mindjujuxbmc on xbox doesn't have the brains to do mp4
17:31.35beandogmkv > *
17:31.38mindjujuthat's the setup i've got right now
17:31.52mindjujuit'll play the first few frames of mkv
17:31.59mindjujuand the audio, but the frames freeze
17:32.37beandogthe thing to do these days is get one of those bluray players that has netflix and dlna capability.
17:33.14mindjuju~wiki dlna
17:33.28beandogmindjuju, marketspeak for upnp
17:33.49mindjujuat this point, i'm inclined to just a comp i've got stashed in the basement, but buying remote controls and IR receiving
17:33.51mindjujuand jsut using that
17:33.54DexterTheDragon~marketspeak beandog
17:34.03beandogDexterTheDragon, o noes
17:35.01fungusbeandog, i noticed that the PS3 has capability for streaming music/video over the network.  Do you know how that works?  protocol?
17:35.20beandogfungus, dlns
17:35.23beandoger dlna
17:35.24beandogsame
17:35.32beandogfungus, check out mediatomb
17:35.42funguscool, now i gotta find a dlna server for my mac.
17:35.53beandogfungus, only problem is, ps3 accepts only certain specs. :T
17:36.13beandogmediatomb can transcode on the fly though
17:36.28beandogAlso, PS3s browse support is crapalicious.
17:36.32beandogimo.
17:37.45fungusbummer, here I was thinking the PS3 is the ultimate device.
17:38.39beandogfungus, well, for good playback and codec support, youd want something like popcorn hour
17:39.13beandogmindjuju, check that one out too
17:39.19beandoghttp://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/
17:39.29beandogI want one :C
17:39.31beandogThey support MKV
17:39.47funguswaaah,  I want one device that does it all.  
17:39.59beandogfungus, yah, xbmc is your best bet.
17:40.24mindjujuexcept xbmc doesn't do amazon vid
17:40.37beandogmindjuju, yah
17:40.45mindjujulooks cool though
17:40.58beandogwhat do you need amazon video for when you have netflix?
17:41.10mindjujui don't have netflix
17:41.16beandogbuh :@
17:41.24beandog~upgrade mindjuju
17:41.27fungusEh, my combination of PS3, AppleTV, Wii have me covered.  I was just looking to consolidate.
17:41.29DexterTheDragonbeandog: cause amazon has running tv shows
17:43.04beandogoh
17:43.29mindjujui think the best thing would be if googletv would do streaming vid from home server, and then i'd buy that
17:43.40mindjujucause they do youtube, amazon vid, everything else
17:43.55mindjujuoh, and dishnetwork Dvr integration
17:45.06mindjujui wish hagendaus or however you spell it would make another network media player, i've had a video cap card from them before and loved it
17:45.43beandoghauppauge?
17:45.49mindjujuyup, that's the one
17:47.40DexterTheDragonmmmm Häagen-Dazs
17:48.20mindjujuyup, that's some good eats
17:48.40mindjujuin beijing, they have a walk in store like we have baskin-robbins
17:48.43mindjujuway too cool
17:50.48beandogthats nothing
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17:50.52beandogI have a walk in apartment
17:51.01beandogwith haagen dazs
17:51.09mindjujuwhat flavors?
17:51.21beandogokay so I lied, its Dryers
17:51.27beandogbut still
17:51.30beandoggood stuff
17:51.30mindjuju:)
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18:10.22wpsvery funny: http://thejailbreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ev17d3.jpg
18:10.28wpsHow Smartphone Users Perceive One Another
18:11.12mindjujuthat' sfunny
18:20.23wpsyou guys hear about mod_pagespeed?
18:20.28wpsapache module written by Google?
18:20.30wpshttp://code.google.com/speed/page-speed/docs/module.html
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18:26.18Utah_Davewps: Yeah, that looks pretty interesting
18:32.25mindjujuspiderman :: the musical ?? http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2010/nov/05/spiderman-turn-off-the-dark-delays
18:41.08beandogIm holding out for the batman musical
18:43.53mindjujubatman had such chances of being cool, but then they got dumb and got rid of tim burton
18:43.55mindjuju:(
18:55.34beandogyou still havent seen batman begins, have you.
18:56.17mindjujui saw it
18:56.21mindjujuit was good for an action movie
18:57.17beandogbuh
18:57.21beandog~shun mindjuju
18:57.21ibotYou are dead to me, mindjuju.
18:57.35mindjujuwhat?  i didn't say it blew chuncks
18:57.55beandogbatman begins is my favorite batman movie
18:57.56mindjujuit was good for an action movie, just not up to snuff for a burton batman
18:58.12mindjujuwell, it wasn't a bad movie
18:58.15mindjujuit was good :)
18:58.54DexterTheDragonburton's batman is a good art movie, thats about it
19:00.02mindjujuso you liked batman begins better too?
19:00.11DexterTheDragonyeah
19:00.11mindjujuremember the soundtrack
19:00.17mindjujuelfman soundtrack
19:00.39DexterTheDragonand I think the dark knight is one of the greatest things ever put to film
19:00.50mindjujuis that the second one?
19:00.56DexterTheDragonyeah
19:01.01mindjujui still have to see it
19:02.42DexterTheDragonmindjuju: Elfman is great, but Nolan's movies have Hans Zimmer, which is also great
19:03.26mindjujui do like hans zimmer
19:04.05stderrTDK is one of the greatest movies ever made, hands down.
19:04.18DexterTheDragon~stderr++
19:06.28stderrJust saw Scott Pilgrim a couple days ago, that was a pretty enjoyable movie
19:12.03beandogdark knight is creeeepy
19:12.21mindjujuthe ring was creepy
19:12.32ninnypantsScott Pilgrim was an awesome movie
19:14.24DexterTheDragonmindjuju: the american one?
19:14.53mindjujuyeah, i heard the one in Japan was worse
19:15.00mindjujuor rather scarier
19:15.05stderr"Oh cool! Coins!"
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19:15.25DexterTheDragonmindjuju: The Ring is one of THE lamest pieces of garbage I have ever seen
19:15.42stderrWatch John Carpenter's The Thing if you want creepy.
19:15.58stderrThe Thing was like something from Nickelodeon's "Are You Afraid of the Dark?"
19:15.58mindjujustderr, i agree
19:16.02stderrerr The Ring*
19:16.31stderr"Scott, if your life had a face, I'd punch it."
20:01.37wpsnewegg rocks
20:01.52wpsno other company sends you an email an hour after you make a purchase with your UPS tracking code
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20:31.42mindjujuanybody know of a real electronics shop in utah county?
20:31.52mindjujulooking for some LEDs
20:32.23orsonjMost stores sell them. (you just have to pull them out of the flashlights)
20:32.45mindjuju:)
20:33.19orsonjSorry, I don't know stores in your neck of the woods.
20:33.47mindjujuwell, that's the next question, if not the UC, then where?
20:33.52mindjujudo you know some in SLC?
20:36.23orsonjI bet you can get them somewhere at BYU
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20:38.09macnewboldmindjuju: I know Raelco in SLC would have them - about 3300 s and main st.
20:38.36macnewboldi don't know if they have a UC location
20:38.49mindjujuthat's ok, i can drive down there
20:39.04mindjujuwas looking to do aproject with Corban, so a little drive to get the parts might be nice with him
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20:39.36mindjujuthx macnewbold, i think this will be fine
20:40.04mindjujuthere website though, leave a little to be desired
20:40.05mindjujuhttp://ra-elcoinc.tech.officelive.com/default.aspx
20:40.32mindjujuphrases like this "Let your customers know why they should explore your site" could put off a customer though
20:44.03orsonjheh, "Powered by Microsoft Office Live"
20:44.54mindjujuoh sure, you know, you could use ms word to make an HTML page
20:45.48orsonjYeah, make it great with office
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20:49.19macnewboldthey're pretty hard core there, mindjuju - i'm not surprised the website stinks
20:49.37carmonyhrm?
20:50.28macnewboldbut if you call them up and say you need <random obscure part X> with a <Y> connector and a <Z> output, that can handle <N> amps, they'll find it for you, if they don't already have it on the shelf
20:50.56mindjujuwell, that's cool!
20:53.44mgearymindjuju: there's an electrical supply company on state street in Orem
20:53.51mgearynorth end, on the east side
20:53.59mgearynot sure if they'd have LEDs or not
20:54.05mindjuju@mgeary, do you know what its called?
20:54.21mgearylike EWS - Electrical Wholesale Supply
20:54.44mindjujuawesome, i'll look for it
20:59.08mgeary658 North State Street
20:59.18mgearyhttp://www.ewsutah.com/
21:00.55mindjujuthx mgeary!
21:00.58mindjuju~mgeary++
21:01.09romanovicwhy does UT not have Fry's Electronics?
21:01.22mindjujui miss fry's :(
21:01.39romanovicme too
21:01.42orsonjI'm not sure which website I like better
21:06.21jsmithromanovic: That's an awfully good question
21:09.20romanovici've been wondering for years
21:09.47romanovicwe always make fry's runs down in vegas while we are there
21:10.30romanovici do think Utah has the demand
21:10.55mindjujujsmith = show off
21:11.15mindjuju:)
21:11.39jsmithromanovic: Demand, yes.  Volume of customers... I'm not sure it would be sustainable
21:12.36romanovicyou may be right.
21:12.42beandogmindjuju, yah theres a shop in PG
21:12.48beandogI forget the name ... its right next to rexall drugs
21:13.08romanovicthere used to be a big electronics store near point of the mountain
21:13.18romanovicIncredible Universe or something
21:13.29beandogheh
21:13.32beandogI miss IU
21:14.13beandogGoogle Voice is down
21:14.14beandog:C
21:14.27jsmithbeandog: Google Voice is down?  Completely?
21:14.37beandoglooks that way
21:14.54romanovici've been trying to refresh for 4 min, i thought it was just me
21:22.07beandogits back
21:33.05mgeary~rlart
21:33.06ibotoffers fungus some herring
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21:34.37beandogtheir web interface is really crappy
21:34.55wpsthe interface for all google's products are crappy
21:35.16mgearyhey, that's my buddy's company you're talkin' about
21:36.24beandogwps, google voice takes the cake though
21:36.31beandogthey really slapped t his thing together
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21:37.00influxYet people use it.
21:37.14jsmithYou'd think they were a bunch of engineers with short attention spans... or something
21:37.31jsmithLook, a squirrel!
21:37.33influxNope.
21:37.39influxI already know I'm black.
21:37.42beandoginflux, actually, I dont.  I loathe going in there.
21:37.43beandog:T
21:37.48influxYet people use it.
21:37.55beandogI was only pulling it up b/c I couldnt work it on my phone
21:37.57influxDespite its real and perceived flaws.
21:38.52beandogandroid = works well enough; web = crapalicious
21:39.09beandogI actually used Grand Central before GV
21:39.10beandogSo
21:39.14beandogI'm entitled to complain. :)
21:39.17josephscottcarmony: I've chatted with julien at superfeedr a few times, they really like redis
21:39.39fungusyeah, don't blame google for the craptacular Google Voice site.  It's still mostly GrandCentral code.
21:40.02beandogGrand Central's site was a lot nicer, I thought
21:40.09fungusnope
21:40.17carmonyjosephscott: heh, I should pick his brain sometime :P
21:40.20fungusIt's pretty much the same, a few less options back then
21:40.35josephscottcarmony: I'm happy to do an email intro for you if you'd like
21:40.48carmonyYeah, that'd be awesome if you could :)
21:40.51beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOebLtLSxfM
21:40.52beandogwant
21:40.56fungusAnd Gmail for example, other than it's ugly, is a fantastic interface for email.  New paradigms, but fantastic
21:41.01carmonyI'm recompiling redis right now for 32bit, so I can have smaller pointers
21:41.02carmony:P
21:41.22josephscottyep, all that 64bit power comes with a price
21:43.51beandogits a bit feisty in here this afternoon
21:44.23fungusit's friday
21:45.06fungus~friday
21:45.06ibot! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! !
21:45.19influxViernes.
21:46.25fungusVendredi
21:51.51josephscott~rlart
21:51.51ibottakes jsmith to the vet for a "special" visit
21:52.15jsmithjosephscott: Next time your server crashes, remember that I had nothing to do w/ it :-p
21:52.30josephscotthaha
21:52.54wpsTinyMCE allows you to have text and images in the editor
21:53.07wpsyou can type around the image and drag and drop the image within the text
21:53.32wpshas anyone seen something like that except the item you can drag and drop is a div instead of an image?
21:54.04beandogwps, yah
21:54.07beandogjqueryui has that
21:54.13wpsit does?
21:54.29beandoger, maybe
21:54.32beandoglemme go find the page.
21:54.32wpswhich widget?
21:54.35beandogyou can decide
21:54.35wpsk
21:55.35beandoghttp://jqueryui.com/demos/sortable/#placeholder
21:55.39beandogwps, well, a lot of them are like that
21:55.43beandogDraggable, Droppable, etc.
21:55.50beandogthey are moving elements
21:56.19wpsI need draggable elements intermixed within editable text
21:56.33wpsyou can't have stuff like that within a <textarea>
21:56.41wpsso, it'll have to be something fancy with javascript
21:56.48beandogOh, gotcha.
21:56.59beandogwhy does it have to be a textarea?
21:57.05wpsit doesn't
21:57.12wpsI'm saying that that doesn't work
21:58.19carmonyhrm, I'm trying to make an init.d script for my redis...
21:58.20wpsI just need an text editor where the user can type text, insert items, and then be able to drag and drop those items within the text
21:58.30beandogwps, oh, gotcha.
21:58.41wpsdo you think that that's possible with html/javascript?
21:58.42beandogtinymce doesnt do that?
21:58.44carmonybut it launches redis, but doesn't "release" it from my terminal screen, it just stays there
21:58.47carmonyif that makes sense
21:58.50wpstinymce does that with images
21:59.05wpsbut I can't figure out how to do that with just a div
21:59.18beandoghuh I dunno
21:59.23beandogI imagine jqueryui would have something, if anyone would.
22:03.38josephscottcarmony: email sent
22:03.56carmonyjosephscott: thanks
22:04.11josephscottnp
22:04.36carmonyfungus: you smart when it comes to init.d scripts? :P
22:04.59fungusuh, sure.
22:05.47carmonywell, I guess the problem is when I run this script, it seems to not run as a daemon, but as a normal program
22:06.24fungusinit scripts do not inherently run daemonized.  They are intedted to *start* a daemon
22:06.34fungus*intended
22:07.47fungus:) some of my fingers are faster than others.
22:07.59josephscottbionic fingers?
22:08.21beandogOOH
22:08.23fungusI wish
22:08.26beandogMidnight showing of Fifth Element!!
22:08.32beandoghttp://google.com/movies?near=84105&mid=87c0d05570f96cda
22:08.36beandogCentury 16
22:08.39beandoga real theater
22:09.19beandogthat could be fun.
22:09.31beandogman, I was working in the theater when that came out ...
22:09.34beandogi remember the post.
22:09.35beandogposter
22:09.48beandogIt was really minimalistic, and we were all like .. "okay ... 5th element ... sounds dumb."
22:09.59fungusYou mean "A good theater".  The word real implies that other theaters are fake
22:10.16beandogI bet mindjuju hasn't seen that movie either
22:10.40fungusno wai, everyone's seen 5th element
22:11.19macnewboldit's an awesome movie
22:12.29carmonywow, yeah, I'm an idiot
22:12.37funguscarmony, start-stop-daemon can often be used inside your init script to start a not already daemonized process in a daemonized way.  Though not best practice
22:12.53carmonythere was a config for it
22:12.56carmonylike... the very first line
22:13.01carmonyI missed it somehow
22:13.01fungusoh heh.
22:13.24fungusI was assuming it was a custom daemon of your own.
22:16.02DexterTheDragonimogen heap is streaming live (right now) from the royal albert hall :: http://www.resounde.com/
22:16.02josephscottredis doesn't run in the background by default
22:23.57carmonyDexterTheDragon: props for anyone who does live really as live, I hate listening to not really "live" concerts :P
22:24.19mgearytoo bad she didn't have time to do her hair before the concert
22:24.24carmonyrofl
22:24.40mgearyi used to walk by the Royal Albert Hall nearly every day
22:24.43carmonyand the guitar is kinda loud on this song
22:25.13mgearyright there on the edge of Kensington Gardens, close to the High Street tube stop. sigh
22:26.18carmonyI'm trying to remember the Imogen Heap song I really liked
22:26.23carmonydid they do tear drop?
22:26.36mgearyshe has a decent cover of Hallelujah
22:26.45mgearybut i don't know any of her songs
22:26.56carmonyI only know like 2 or 3... I think
22:29.15josephscottsome people are just born awesome - http://devour.com/video/born-awesome/
22:29.17josephscottROFL!!
22:34.56itimberhope you guys are doing well
22:34.59itimberg'night
22:37.33beandogoh my chest hair
22:37.48ninnypantsthat was awesome
22:37.56beandogthats going to give me nightmares
22:47.00beandoghttp://www.mobygames.com/game/legend-of-the-red-dragon/screenshots
22:47.22mindjujuk, im' back
22:47.34mindjujuwho summoned me?
22:47.58mindjuju@beandog "just get me those stones!"
22:48.08beandogstones?
22:48.15mindjuju5th element
22:48.19beandogoh
22:48.19mindjujuthat's what Zorg says
22:48.44mindjujuits more of "shtones!" cause of the way he pronoucnes it
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23:10.29josephscott~rlart
23:10.30ibotshoots eco in the head
23:10.43josephscottibot you should be more creative
23:10.45ecoThat's fucked up...
23:11.03josephscottdo something original and less violent
23:11.10josephscott~chuckfact
23:11.10ibotWhen the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris
23:15.49wpsI've almost got it beandog
23:15.56wpshttp://anavidesign.com/temp/draggable_editable_text.html
23:18.06beandogfungus, ping
23:18.20josephscottcarrington build does something along these lines, drag and drop modules  http://crowdfavorite.com/wordpress/carrington-build/
23:18.28fungusbeandog, pong
23:18.32beandogwps, oh so you just wanted it around the text?  So is the text in its own div?
23:18.54wpsno, the text isn't in it's own div
23:20.32beandogintresting.
23:29.26wpswhoa
23:29.31wpsbehavior is totally different in Firefox!
23:29.59wpsit does exactly what I want it to do in Firefox without any javascript
23:30.32beandogo rly?
23:30.37beandogwhat were you using before?
23:31.15wpsjQuery UI's draggable
23:31.29beandoger I mean what browser
23:31.32wpswith Safari, contentEditable="true" only makes text editable
23:31.35wpsSafari
23:31.47wpswith FF, contentEditable="true" also allows me to drag the divs around
23:31.49wpsexactly what I want
23:31.56beandogThats weird.
23:39.13beandogwps, is that just a tag attribute?
23:39.18wpsyeah
23:39.19beandogor part of jquery
23:39.19wpscool, huh
23:39.27beandogIve never heard of that.
23:39.31beandogive seen "disabled" tho
23:39.41wpsyeah… it was new to me as well
23:39.56wpsit was introduced by IE in version 5
23:39.58beandogman
23:40.03beandoglittle HTML stuff pops up all the time.
23:40.20beandogThere was some <tcol> something or other I found the other day too
23:40.30beandogsomething with tables and columns .. I dont remember what it was now.
23:40.38beandog<colgroup> .. something something
23:40.41wpsawesome
23:40.44wpsit works in IE
23:40.45beandogobviously it wasnt that helpful.
23:41.01wpsthat's most of my marketshare
23:41.02beandoghttp://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_colgroup.asp
23:41.11beandogOh I remember now.  It didnt take ANY style tags except like 2.
23:41.17beandogpretty worthless.
23:41.22wpsnice
23:41.26beandogwell, not worthless.
23:41.30beandogjust not that helpful.
23:42.39beandogwps, right on man
23:42.53wpsI'm out
23:42.55wpsthanks everyone
23:42.57wpshave a good weekend
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