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| 02:23.42 | mindjuju | anybody around still? |
| 02:28.30 | redroy | just me :| |
| 02:28.38 | mindjuju | hi redroy |
| 02:29.00 | mindjuju | i'm googling for a way to setup apache in a multi-user enviroment |
| 02:29.08 | mindjuju | like cpanel |
| 02:29.13 | mindjuju | any ideas? |
| 02:29.40 | mindjuju | i was hoping to do so in a way that if a process got locked for one user, it wouldn't affect another |
| 02:30.03 | mindjuju | i don't really want to go to VMs |
| 02:30.13 | redroy | nope, the more server oriented things get the more my skillset drops. Sorry |
| 02:30.14 | mindjuju | a lot of overhead just for that feature |
| 02:30.31 | mindjuju | ah |
| 02:30.34 | mindjuju | no worries |
| 02:30.41 | mindjuju | how is everything else going? |
| 02:35.00 | redroy | for me? excellent⦠my new comp. is rock 'n and roll 'n |
| 02:35.00 | redroy | couldn't ask for more |
| 02:35.00 | redroy | especially in this economy |
| 02:35.10 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 02:40.30 | mindjuju | good ole josephscott on comcast |
| 02:41.05 | josephscott | mindjuju: hi, what is the site for the company you work at now? |
| 02:41.15 | mindjuju | www.costumecraze.com |
| 02:41.38 | mindjuju | but that's not where nginx is, that's on a site that IS public, but isn't in production mode yet |
| 02:42.12 | mindjuju | but i did get everything working centos 5.5 + nginx.7+mysql+php+apc |
| 02:42.20 | mindjuju | i want to get memcache in there too, but not tonight |
| 02:42.22 | josephscott | php-fpm? |
| 02:42.24 | mindjuju | i'm hungry for dinner |
| 02:42.28 | mindjuju | yup, php-fpm |
| 02:42.31 | josephscott | nice |
| 02:42.53 | mindjuju | the path wasn't too bad, i should blog it |
| 02:43.14 | josephscott | mindjuju: one thing I'd like you do to for costumecraze.com |
| 02:43.20 | josephscott | enabled HTTP compression |
| 02:43.35 | mindjuju | that's a lost cause for that instance of the site |
| 02:43.38 | mindjuju | we're moving host providers |
| 02:43.43 | mindjuju | and that instance is on winders |
| 02:43.46 | mindjuju | AFIK |
| 02:43.51 | josephscott | it's just a webserver configuration issue |
| 02:43.53 | mindjuju | AFAIK, i mean |
| 02:43.59 | josephscott | IIS supports compression |
| 02:44.03 | mindjuju | it does? |
| 02:44.23 | josephscott | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/WindowsServer2003/Library/IIS/502ef631-3695-4616-b268-cbe7cf1351ce.mspx?mfr=true |
| 02:44.59 | josephscott | the two big, easy ones are keep-alive and compression. |
| 02:45.00 | mindjuju | that pretty cool! |
| 02:45.19 | josephscott | you already have keep-alive on, compression is the other low hanging fruit |
| 02:45.40 | josephscott | the front page is loads 3.2MB |
| 02:45.47 | josephscott | s/is// |
| 02:47.33 | mindjuju | so josephscott, running concurrently with the project to launch the new web server for the company site, I need to launch a development environment to mirror |
| 02:47.49 | mindjuju | now here to fore, the dev environment is VMs, lots of 'em |
| 02:48.15 | mindjuju | and upgrading was a task that wasn't done, so there really is only 1 VM that is current that all the devs have used |
| 02:48.25 | mindjuju | (i promise, all this happened BEFORE i got here) |
| 02:48.29 | josephscott | on WPCOM each dev gets their own VM |
| 02:48.36 | josephscott | which is nice |
| 02:49.04 | mindjuju | well, i was wondering though, wouldn't it be cooler if we had 1 apache instance and turned the server into like a web host provider |
| 02:49.14 | mindjuju | that way, i only had to keep up with 1 thing instead of a bunch? |
| 02:49.34 | mindjuju | each dev with their own "account", dir, ftp, etc |
| 02:49.52 | josephscott | perhaps, managing VMs should not be hard though |
| 02:49.58 | josephscott | how many devs are we talking about? |
| 02:50.06 | mindjuju | 5 |
| 02:50.37 | mindjuju | seems like a lot of overhead running WAMP just for apache |
| 02:50.51 | josephscott | you could always start with a single box and move if you need to |
| 02:51.05 | josephscott | also depends on what sort of things the devs do in their test setups |
| 02:51.28 | josephscott | VMs give a degree of separation, especially in the area of memory usage |
| 02:51.31 | mindjuju | environ was suppose to be identical, sys admin before me never kept them up |
| 02:51.52 | mindjuju | there is that, and that was my question before you came in, i was wanting to dedicate memory and if process failed for you, it wouldn't affect me |
| 02:52.01 | mindjuju | so there is that |
| 02:52.23 | mindjuju | you don't seem keen on this idea |
| 02:53.01 | josephscott | VMs just make some of that easier |
| 02:53.16 | josephscott | each VM might get 1GB of RAM, and that's it, for instance |
| 02:53.35 | mindjuju | and upgrading apache or php, 5x? |
| 02:53.43 | josephscott | there are some things that VMs don't do a great job of shielding from, but it is a start |
| 02:54.01 | josephscott | you still have PHP4 boxes? |
| 02:54.27 | mindjuju | oh no, i mean, they are PHP 5, but if i upgrade to the latest PHP, i have to do that upgrade 5 times |
| 02:54.39 | mindjuju | 1 for each VM |
| 02:54.45 | herlo | mindjuju: I have one word for you, PUPPET! |
| 02:54.55 | mindjuju | sup herlo |
| 02:55.09 | josephscott | yeah, no reason to do the upgrade 5 times |
| 02:55.14 | herlo | if you have puppet installed on those boxen, you can just have it upgrade 5 times for you |
| 02:55.14 | mindjuju | don't you run away, i want to talk to you about suggestions about FOSS AD alternatives |
| 02:55.17 | josephscott | configuration management is your friend |
| 02:55.30 | herlo | mindjuju: 389ds, that is all there is to say |
| 02:55.41 | mindjuju | i'll have to look for that, "configuration management" |
| 02:56.00 | herlo | mindjuju: config mgmt == puppet | chef |
| 02:56.02 | josephscott | this is also an area that freebsd jails really excel in |
| 02:56.03 | mindjuju | as it is, i'm backing up the one image so that I could clone it 5 instances |
| 02:56.05 | herlo | or many others |
| 02:56.14 | josephscott | you can have all the jails use the same core binaries |
| 02:56.19 | herlo | mindjuju: snapshots of vms works well too |
| 02:56.33 | josephscott | so upgrade one set of binaries and all the jails are updated |
| 02:56.36 | mindjuju | yeah, but i read building a VM off a snapshot isn't clean |
| 02:56.51 | herlo | josephscott: openvz does that really well too andyou aren't locked into BSD (not that it's a bad choice) |
| 02:57.00 | herlo | mindjuju: not true at all |
| 02:57.07 | josephscott | mindjuju: what VM system are you using? |
| 02:57.35 | herlo | depends on the VM system, like VMWare, Xen and KVM all don't have any issues with snapshot recovery |
| 02:57.42 | herlo | s/recovery/replication/ |
| 02:58.04 | josephscott | snapshots should be stable, if they aren't then you probably have bigger problems to tackle |
| 02:58.18 | mindjuju | @josephscott, we're actually using 2 different VM servers |
| 02:58.23 | mindjuju | ESX and HyperV |
| 02:58.33 | mindjuju | the exact same environ in 2 VM servers |
| 02:59.01 | mindjuju | @josephscott, about snapshots, that's jsut what i googled and read |
| 02:59.09 | herlo | there are converters... |
| 02:59.24 | mindjuju | i hadn't tried it, just that snapshot -> live VM instance == bad |
| 02:59.29 | mindjuju | but sounds like i got bunk info |
| 02:59.53 | mindjuju | but, the cloning of the vmdk literally just finished |
| 03:00.49 | mindjuju | so really, setting up VMs and using Puppet or some other "config manager" is preferable than setting up nginx in a multiuser environ |
| 03:01.02 | mindjuju | hmm, i've got to mull, cause y'all are seeing something i'm not |
| 03:03.22 | josephscott | mindjuju: you've got a small group for now, you can start with one method and move if you need to |
| 03:08.07 | mindjuju | cool! http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vmware-vcenter-configuration-manager-DS-EN.pdf |
| 03:08.16 | mindjuju | i wonder how much it costs? |
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| 04:00.01 | herlo | a lot! |
| 04:02.26 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 04:02.26 | ibot | DoSes mindjuju |
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| 14:25.02 | carmony | lol |
| 14:25.23 | carmony | so I use mint to make it easy to keep track of my accounts |
| 14:26.00 | carmony | and every now and then they send these alerts saying "In the past 30 days, you spent X dollars on Category, Usually you spend Y" |
| 14:26.59 | carmony | I just got one saying "In the past 30 days, you spent X on Taxes, Usually you spend Y." All I could do was sigh and say "yup" |
| 14:27.42 | josephscott | carmony: don't worry, all the new republicans in office are going to make that all go away |
| 14:28.55 | carmony | rofl |
| 14:28.56 | carmony | I wish |
| 14:29.09 | carmony | though I'm glad I don't live in California right now |
| 14:29.38 | josephscott | there is a certain part of me that thinks it is really funny that brown won |
| 14:30.17 | carmony | For my new payroll, they almost taxed me as a California resident instead of a UT resident. Yeah, it was a big difference |
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| 14:37.19 | carmony | lol, that was a lot less painful then I thought. |
| 14:37.29 | carmony | just converted a stored procedure to php |
| 14:49.02 | herlo | carmony: how much different is the tax between ut and ca residents? |
| 14:49.10 | herlo | and is that working for a UT company? |
| 14:49.26 | carmony | hrm, I'd have to look again, it was working for CA company |
| 14:49.31 | carmony | so right now I work for a CA company |
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| 14:49.46 | carmony | but get taxed UT state tax |
| 14:49.50 | herlo | yeah, wondered about that... |
| 14:50.08 | herlo | I'm moving to CA sometime soonish, so I'm trying to prepare for the tax burden I will endure :( |
| 14:54.29 | Utah_Dave | herlo: it's never ending. When my family moved to CA in '89 or '90 my dad had to pay $1,000 to register our van. |
| 14:56.06 | josephscott | move to NV, no income tax there |
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| 14:59.40 | mindjuju | that sounds pretty painful |
| 15:00.27 | mindjuju | i'm looking for a FOSS sharepoint type thing, i'm thinking alfresco |
| 15:00.46 | mindjuju | espcially for document library type thing |
| 15:00.55 | mindjuju | comments? suggestions? |
| 15:02.55 | jsmith | mindjuju: Alfresco is pretty nice |
| 15:03.05 | mindjuju | it looked pretty cool |
| 15:03.07 | jsmith | mindjuju: Zope is OK too |
| 15:03.16 | mindjuju | and i'd want something that works with both ms office and open office |
| 15:03.20 | jsmith | mindjuju: Or, mind you, Plone (built on Zope) is OK too |
| 15:03.21 | mindjuju | sounds like alfresco does that |
| 15:03.30 | jsmith | Yeah, Alfresco sounds like a better fit |
| 15:04.29 | mindjuju | ~apb DtD |
| 15:04.29 | ibot | ACTION hires Duane Lee to stake out DtD |
| 15:04.55 | josephscott | zope, haven't heard that mentioned in awhile |
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| 15:33.52 | DexterTheDragon | ~dtdhit mindjuju |
| 15:33.52 | ibot | ACTION stikes at mindjuju with the vulgar dragon technique causing a very bad flesh wound! |
| 15:51.35 | herlo | Utah_Dave: hrm, well I hope to keep my Utah residency and just register my cars here :) |
| 15:52.27 | josephscott | ah yes, enjoy the benefits of CA roads, etc., but be sure not to help pay for any of them |
| 15:53.08 | jsmith | He's still paying gasoline taxes, sales taxes, etc. |
| 15:53.16 | jsmith | (not that it makes it right -- just saying) |
| 15:54.39 | herlo | josephscott: haha, it was in jest, mostly |
| 15:54.49 | josephscott | :-) |
| 15:55.14 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.geekosystem.com/net-neutrality-congressional-candidates-lost/ |
| 15:55.36 | josephscott | like most people, I'd like to pay less taxes, but I'm not opposed to taxes in general, I enjoy the things they help pay for, so I don't mind paying for them |
| 15:56.38 | herlo | josephscott: I don't know, seems like there's a lot of waste and overhead that could be reduced. I don't use 90% of the services my taxes seem to pay for, but that's just my perspective... |
| 15:57.51 | josephscott | perhaps not directly, but most people derive many more benefits than the realize |
| 15:58.03 | jsmith | Aye :-) |
| 15:58.06 | josephscott | they might not agree the benefits are worthwhile, but they are there none the less |
| 15:59.02 | josephscott | another challenge in this area is not really knowing where exactly an one individual dollar goes |
| 15:59.25 | josephscott | and even if we could, it would need a massive filtering system, other wise it would get lost in a mountain of data |
| 16:00.42 | josephscott | funny how 1984 was worried about controlling the data, now we just burry so deep finding it is a full time job |
| 16:39.06 | carmony | lol |
| 16:42.42 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 16:42.43 | ibot | does a little 'renice 20 -u utahcon' |
| 16:42.55 | mgeary | another bad day for utahcon |
| 16:44.01 | herlo | lol |
| 16:44.39 | josephscott | ibot has it in for utahcon |
| 16:48.11 | carmony | ok, so I now have DDNA generating 2,500 scores at about 30-40 seconds |
| 16:48.26 | carmony | now, to test what storing them in Redis adds. |
| 17:16.51 | mindjuju | so, there is a server on my network that is being naughty, and i've got to log in to see what up, the problem is that nobody knows the password :( |
| 17:17.12 | mindjuju | seems like if i --> init 1, i should be able to reset root pass |
| 17:17.34 | mindjuju | will this stop all current operations though that are good? dropping down to 1 ? |
| 17:18.43 | mindjuju | OS is centos, but not the new one i've been working on, that's rocking! |
| 17:21.01 | herlo | yes, it will stop most processes |
| 17:21.08 | mindjuju | dag |
| 17:21.15 | mindjuju | but, im' right though, aren't i |
| 17:21.17 | mindjuju | oh wait |
| 17:21.18 | mindjuju | nm |
| 17:21.28 | mindjuju | that's goofy, i can't log into console, so i can't init 1 |
| 17:21.45 | herlo | if you have sudo access, you can change the root password possibly |
| 17:21.45 | mindjuju | i'd have to yank the power cord and when booting up |
| 17:22.06 | mindjuju | jump into init 1 from there |
| 17:22.23 | herlo | no |
| 17:22.31 | herlo | can you sudo?? |
| 17:22.43 | herlo | or ssh to it? |
| 17:22.44 | mindjuju | i can't log in at all |
| 17:22.48 | mindjuju | i can ssh to it |
| 17:22.50 | mindjuju | but i can't log in |
| 17:23.10 | mindjuju | so putty brings in login prompt, but that's where i'm stuck |
| 17:23.11 | herlo | oh, not even as an unprivileged user? |
| 17:23.21 | mindjuju | nope, nothing |
| 17:23.28 | mindjuju | i've tried hundreds of usr / pss combos |
| 17:23.31 | herlo | k, wait, aren't you using linux on your personal box? Why are you using putty? |
| 17:23.54 | mindjuju | because this box that i'm trying on is winders |
| 17:24.00 | herlo | huh? |
| 17:24.07 | mindjuju | k, topical please |
| 17:24.07 | herlo | the box you are trying to get into? |
| 17:24.12 | herlo | is winders? |
| 17:24.21 | mindjuju | no, the box i'm on is winders, the box i'm trying to get into is centos |
| 17:24.27 | mindjuju | so i'm using putty |
| 17:24.48 | herlo | okay, so no iLo either? |
| 17:25.00 | mindjuju | nope |
| 17:25.22 | mindjuju | i mean, i could plug a keyobard and mouse into the comp, but it bring up a login prompt |
| 17:25.28 | herlo | yeah, if you can't get to physical or remote console, no ssh or any other access, you probably need to reboot it... |
| 17:25.31 | herlo | yes, do that!!! |
| 17:25.43 | herlo | physically reboot, it's nicer to this system |
| 17:25.59 | herlo | s/this/the/ |
| 17:28.27 | herlo | go to the terminal and hit ctrl-alt-delete |
| 17:29.54 | mindjuju | k, i'm going to try passwords for a few more minutes, then do that. i was trying to remember what atoponce (or however you spell his nick) said to do init 1 on boot up, but i think i just found it in google |
| 17:30.04 | mindjuju | stop grub, add single to the kernel boot options |
| 17:30.05 | mindjuju | and pow |
| 17:32.49 | herlo | stop grub? |
| 17:33.17 | herlo | oh, you mean stop the grub countdown :) |
| 17:33.36 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:45.39 | josephscott | macnewbold: did you get my email about codegreene.com? |
| 18:11.37 | macnewbold | doh, he left already |
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| 18:51.08 | josephscott | this is sad http://devour.com/video/abandoned-six-flags/ |
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| 19:45.21 | mindjuju | josephscott, that's interesting! |
| 19:45.37 | josephscott | mindjuju: did you watch all the way to the end? |
| 19:45.48 | mindjuju | now, i'm a minute into it, i'ts still playing |
| 19:50.11 | mindjuju | end coming up, nothing better jump out and scream |
| 19:51.21 | mindjuju | whew |
| 19:52.30 | josephscott | haha, no, not scary, sad, the whole thing is getting torn down and sold for scrap |
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| 19:53.16 | mindjuju | i miss 6 flags theme parks |
| 19:53.19 | mindjuju | we had one in houston |
| 19:54.51 | fungus | yeah the six flags in houston was really great. |
| 19:55.22 | mindjuju | i HATE rides like this one, i'm so sure that the cotter pin holding everything together is going to break and i'm going to go flying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-NSb6AaJLk |
| 19:55.37 | mindjuju | fungus, you went to astroworld in houston? |
| 19:55.57 | fungus | Yeah. about 8 years ago I think |
| 19:56.25 | fungus | That video looks fun. Not scary at all |
| 19:57.00 | mindjuju | fungus the brave |
| 19:57.09 | beandog | ~push mindjuju down the stairs for fun |
| 19:57.09 | ibot | ACTION enlists stderr to push mindjuju down the stairs for fun over the edge of a very high cliff |
| 19:57.17 | mindjuju | i personally like my feet on terra firma |
| 19:57.23 | mindjuju | thx beandog |
| 19:57.31 | beandog | there's a thrill ride for you |
| 19:58.00 | mindjuju | all i have to do is fondly reflect on them, and its nearly the same thing |
| 19:58.08 | fungus | Though almost all thrill rides look lame after skydiving. |
| 19:58.26 | mindjuju | skydiving > bungie jump > thrill rides |
| 19:58.36 | fungus | exactly. |
| 19:59.00 | mindjuju | fungus = brave cause he wanted it |
| 19:59.01 | fungus | And wasn't it totally awesome. |
| 19:59.19 | mindjuju | i got a black eye for my troubles |
| 19:59.25 | mindjuju | and a free tshirt |
| 19:59.33 | fungus | woot |
| 19:59.35 | mindjuju | (for the black eye) |
| 19:59.42 | mindjuju | they were afraid i was going to sue |
| 20:00.38 | fungus | hehe, oops |
| 20:01.31 | mindjuju | fungus, did you get any video of your dive? |
| 20:01.38 | fungus | of course. |
| 20:01.45 | mindjuju | posted anywhere? |
| 20:01.58 | fungus | hmm, maybe. |
| 20:04.56 | fungus | nope can't find it. |
| 20:05.03 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 20:05.40 | mindjuju | hey beandog |
| 20:05.52 | mindjuju | do you have that tV of yours plugged into your computer |
| 20:06.00 | beandog | mindjuju, other way around |
| 20:06.08 | mindjuju | srry,t hats what i mean |
| 20:06.13 | mindjuju | comp plugged into tv |
| 20:06.29 | mindjuju | so, a friend of mine is asking for a vid card with HDMI port, any recommendations? |
| 20:06.49 | mindjuju | but thought he'd check |
| 20:07.00 | beandog | Yah |
| 20:07.03 | beandog | Look for uh |
| 20:07.06 | beandog | whats it called. |
| 20:07.16 | beandog | not xvmc, whats the new one |
| 20:07.31 | beandog | VDPAU |
| 20:07.34 | mindjuju | hdcp? |
| 20:07.41 | mindjuju | vdpau? |
| 20:07.46 | beandog | Get something that supports hardware decoding of all the major codecs. |
| 20:07.52 | mindjuju | k |
| 20:07.55 | beandog | well, HD codecs |
| 20:07.57 | mindjuju | vdpau does that? |
| 20:08.13 | beandog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU |
| 20:08.35 | beandog | The reason being |
| 20:08.40 | beandog | You can get a REALLY low powered box |
| 20:08.52 | beandog | and if you put in a VDPAU-capable video card, you can playback HD gloriously. |
| 20:09.06 | beandog | I've got a tiny 35W Celeron in my HTPC |
| 20:09.20 | beandog | And I can watch Blu-Ray MPEG2s without any major hiccups. |
| 20:09.21 | mindjuju | looks like vdpau is for linux |
| 20:09.29 | mindjuju | err, unix |
| 20:09.30 | beandog | mindjuju, yah, I forget what the generic term is. |
| 20:09.34 | beandog | CUDA? |
| 20:09.35 | beandog | something. |
| 20:10.06 | beandog | http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo.html |
| 20:10.15 | beandog | H.264, WMV/VC-1, and MPEG-4 Hardware Acceleration |
| 20:10.16 | beandog | NVIDIA PureVideo provides ultra-smooth playback of H.264, WMV/VC-1 and MPEG-4 HD and SD videos with minimal CPU usage. |
| 20:10.16 | beandog | that's it. |
| 20:10.18 | beandog | ^^ |
| 20:10.24 | beandog | make sure the card has that, and yer golden. |
| 20:11.30 | beandog | oh, and Id get fanless, too |
| 20:11.44 | beandog | heck, id just get an ION board and be done with it. |
| 20:11.44 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 20:11.44 | ibot | urinates on redroy |
| 20:12.35 | itimber | oh, that's brutal |
| 20:12.57 | itimber | ibot, go to the corner |
| 20:15.12 | mindjuju | so is it better to connect to TV with HDMI or DVI ? |
| 20:15.44 | beandog | HDMI = DVI + Audio |
| 20:15.51 | mindjuju | oh |
| 20:21.39 | mindjuju | ugh |
| 20:21.53 | mindjuju | i hate when this stuff gets funky |
| 20:23.00 | mindjuju | now i've got to find out what kind of tv he has and if he has a killer stereo setup like beandog |
| 20:23.08 | mindjuju | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c02014355&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&product=4343011&key=null&site=null#N305 |
| 20:37.04 | beandog | mindjuju, whats that |
| 20:37.11 | mindjuju | hi mobo |
| 20:37.35 | mindjuju | do i want to just out audio from his comp or do the video card with integrated audio and then send everything to tv? |
| 20:37.57 | beandog | do they have video cards with onboard audio? |
| 20:38.15 | mindjuju | well, i thought you were saying hdmi was dvi + audio |
| 20:38.25 | beandog | well thats what the spec allows |
| 20:38.42 | beandog | on computers though, video card outputs video through HDMI, but you can go HDMI -> HDMI or HDMI -> DVI |
| 20:38.48 | beandog | or DVI -> HDMI |
| 20:39.05 | mindjuju | so coldn't i just hook him up with a dvi cable and route the video signal from the comp to the tv via dvi |
| 20:39.12 | mindjuju | and route the audio out to what ever he's got? |
| 20:39.17 | beandog | And there's separate ports for audio |
| 20:39.30 | beandog | the normal microphone jack, I forget the name, then probably SPDIF after that |
| 20:39.43 | mindjuju | course, his comp has integrated video , so prolly won't be the best at decode |
| 20:39.46 | beandog | DVI wouldnt handle the sound |
| 20:40.06 | mindjuju | right, but if i take the computer sound |
| 20:40.15 | mindjuju | and pipe that directly to either the tv or sound system... |
| 20:40.27 | beandog | That would work. |
| 20:40.37 | beandog | Again though, it would depend on the audio ports on both the computer and the TV |
| 20:41.03 | mindjuju | yeah, that's where i got frustrated and just started working again as this was going to be no 5 minute thing |
| 20:41.06 | mindjuju | :( |
| 20:41.19 | beandog | mindjuju, once you find out what ports the TV has, it's easy from there. |
| 20:41.32 | mindjuju | k, i'll go microwave my lunch and ask |
| 20:41.33 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 20:52.09 | mindjuju | ah clam chowder |
| 20:52.12 | mindjuju | always a nice lunch |
| 20:52.16 | mindjuju | especially with crusty bread |
| 20:53.22 | jsmith | Mmmmmn.... food.... |
| 20:53.34 | mindjuju | no lunch yet mgeary? |
| 20:55.00 | mindjuju | poor jsmith, it's like 4p over there? |
| 20:57.12 | jsmith | Almost 5 |
| 20:58.49 | mgeary | lunch? |
| 20:58.52 | mgeary | what is lunch? |
| 20:59.01 | mgeary | how'd you know i haven't had lunch? |
| 20:59.33 | mindjuju | jsmith responded to my statement, but i thought it was you |
| 20:59.50 | jsmith | mgeary: I knew you hadn't had your lunch |
| 20:59.59 | jsmith | mgeary: If you'd have had lunch, you'd be more talkative! |
| 21:00.42 | mindjuju | jsmith is weird like that, he notices the little things |
| 21:04.37 | mindjuju | i'm beginning to think jsmith is a covername for 007 |
| 21:04.42 | mindjuju | and he's really an operative |
| 21:06.10 | mindjuju | there is no jsmith, he is no operative! |
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| 21:14.26 | romanovic | heh |
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| 21:15.24 | jsmith | mindjuju: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean I'm not out to get you. |
| 21:15.33 | mindjuju | yes that's true |
| 21:15.49 | mindjuju | just tell me this, are you nsa, cia or something else? |
| 21:16.31 | jsmith | FPL |
| 21:16.46 | mindjuju | that's actually a great cover, you know |
| 21:17.01 | romanovic | when i was in high school, some student sent an email in which he talked about personal violence against the prez |
| 21:17.19 | romanovic | fbi came the next day and tracked him down |
| 21:17.28 | romanovic | make sure he knew it was not funny |
| 21:17.41 | josephscott | ~disappear jsmith-away |
| 21:17.47 | jsmith-away | (or take my son to piano practice, as the case may be) |
| 21:17.50 | jsmith-away | ~erase josephscott |
| 21:17.51 | ibot | ACTION instructs jsmith-away to vaporize josephscott with a Marvin The Martian ray gun |
| 21:19.13 | mindjuju | that reminds me of my days as a temp in houston as a hospital admissions officer |
| 21:20.13 | mindjuju | had to go up to a room (unusual), to get the information of a lady who did have a guy standing by her door, and was not allowed to ask anything personal about her, but to fill in the rest of the form |
| 21:20.27 | romanovic | wow |
| 21:31.50 | mindjuju | how embarassing for microsoft. apparently somebody misheard somebody and thought silverlight was dead and published a blog to that, to which the geeks came out of the woodworks and rejoiced, to which microsoft responded by saying it was a misunderstanding |
| 21:32.06 | mindjuju | cheering at somethings demise only to be told they still live... classic |
| 21:32.08 | mindjuju | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101030/23574711658/oh-look-microsoft-is-de-prioritizing-silverlight.shtml |
| 21:32.15 | mindjuju | http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2010/11/01/silverlight-is-dead-long-live-silverlight.aspx |
| 21:54.42 | beandog | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2010/10/pedobear-small.png |
| 21:54.45 | beandog | that is awesome |
| 21:56.05 | beandog | as in horrible |
| 21:56.19 | mindjuju | @beandog - josephscott found this jem - lUtRi011FLY |
| 21:56.22 | mindjuju | oops! |
| 21:56.31 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRi011FLY |
| 21:56.54 | josephscott | yep, that one is awesome |
| 21:57.03 | beandog | nice music |
| 22:09.07 | carmony | wow |
| 22:09.29 | josephscott | herlo / mindjuju know any sysadmins at omniture.com? |
| 22:09.39 | josephscott | or wps he used to work there right? |
| 22:09.51 | carmony | so... redis is storing 2,500 scores via pipelining... in 1 second |
| 22:10.03 | mindjuju | i know an oracle dba at omniture |
| 22:10.11 | josephscott | carmony: does that compare to your current DB? |
| 22:10.14 | mindjuju | and wps used to be there as chief design if i recall |
| 22:10.17 | carmony | heh |
| 22:10.25 | herlo | josephscott: I know one |
| 22:10.26 | josephscott | sorry, how does ... |
| 22:10.30 | carmony | we store about 10-20 scores a second |
| 22:10.43 | herlo | josephscott: actually, I know a couple |
| 22:10.57 | josephscott | so you went from 20 to 2,500 per second? that is huge |
| 22:11.20 | josephscott | herlo: can you email me contact info for one? I've got a suggestion for improving their site |
| 22:11.22 | carmony | yeah |
| 22:11.40 | herlo | josephscott: ryan simpkins, he runs plug |
| 22:11.53 | josephscott | carmony: when you say pipelining, you are making multiple redis commands per request? |
| 22:12.08 | carmony | yup |
| 22:12.27 | carmony | so I build 2500 scores, which takes 60 seconds, and then I save them, which takes under 1 second |
| 22:12.41 | carmony | and that is from my laptop to my rackspace cloud server |
| 22:12.53 | josephscott | nice |
| 22:14.22 | carmony | I'm really impressed |
| 22:14.47 | carmony | before MySQL was the bottleneck, now my PHP code is the bottleneck |
| 22:15.11 | josephscott | carmony: I have a barry quote for you, goes something like this |
| 22:15.38 | josephscott | "in a properly configured setup PHP should always be your bottleneck" |
| 22:15.38 | beandog | mindjuju, http://www.urlesque.com/2010/10/19/13-cartoons-you-didnt-think-anyone-else-watched/ |
| 22:15.41 | beandog | all I can say is "wow" |
| 22:15.55 | beandog | I remember Rude Dog tho |
| 22:15.57 | josephscott | and for our cases you could say PHP/WP |
| 22:16.19 | beandog | turboteen++ |
| 22:18.09 | mindjuju | i don't remember rude dog, but i do remember ant and ardvark and LOVED, LOVED LOVED Teen Wolf cartoon |
| 22:18.38 | beandog | I dont remember teen wolf |
| 22:18.54 | mindjuju | one of my favorites on saturday tv |
| 22:19.09 | mindjuju | along with hulk hogan cartoon, real ghostbusters and beetlejuice |
| 22:19.30 | mindjuju | oh and galaxy high |
| 22:22.43 | beandog | josephscott, a barry quote? |
| 22:22.57 | mindjuju | prolly dave barry |
| 22:22.59 | mindjuju | he's funny |
| 22:23.12 | josephscott | beandog: barry is the lead sysadmin at Automattic |
| 22:23.24 | beandog | josephscott, oh, gotcha. I agree with the statement |
| 22:23.32 | beandog | databases are zippy these days |
| 22:23.47 | josephscott | when they are properly configured and resourced they are |
| 22:24.07 | beandog | and a good schema |
| 22:24.28 | josephscott | shoving 300 million records into a DB often times has ways of exposing a poor configuration or under resourced server |
| 22:24.46 | beandog | At one job we had a nasty MSSQL install that was spread across 8 databases. It was dog slow. As we cleaned up the structure, it got quite fast. |
| 22:25.22 | josephscott | and if you want crazy DB issues, you should see what the DB team at facebook deals with |
| 22:26.15 | josephscott | they push MySQL hard |
| 22:32.31 | carmony | oh man, I don't want to even know |
| 22:32.48 | beandog | does mysql let you write custom functions? |
| 22:33.17 | carmony | I dunno, but Oracle is trying to phase out InnoDB :P |
| 22:33.25 | beandog | carmony, really? that sucks. :T |
| 22:33.27 | beandog | innodb++ |
| 22:33.48 | josephscott | beandog: yes, in C :-) |
| 22:33.53 | josephscott | carmony: who said that? |
| 22:34.07 | carmony | well, lets see... |
| 22:34.09 | josephscott | or did you mean myisam? |
| 22:34.15 | beandog | josephscott, in C??? Ugh. |
| 22:34.38 | josephscott | beandog: it's that, or the poor stored procedure support |
| 22:35.27 | carmony | http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2010/11/oracle-drops-innodb-from-mysql.php |
| 22:35.41 | carmony | ahh, they updated |
| 22:35.43 | carmony | it |
| 22:36.46 | beandog | http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=173733&hl=en |
| 22:38.00 | josephscott | dropping it for embedded systems is not surprising, it is much bigger and complex than myisam |
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| 23:05.08 | macnewbold | josephscott: i did get your email - to my knowledge we weren't doing anything to disable those, but i haven't had time to turn them on yet. |
| 23:05.45 | josephscott | macnewbold: cool, just trying to make the web a faster place :-) |
| 23:10.19 | beandog | that should help |
| 23:10.53 | josephscott | haha, I haven't done anything torrent related in years |
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