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| 13:21.54 | ibot | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
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| 13:22.01 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
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| 15:11.17 | mgeary | ~voted |
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| 15:12.56 | unum | ~voted |
| 15:13.04 | unum | I vote by mail, I don't trust computers |
| 15:19.17 | unum | I told that to my boss the other day |
| 15:19.29 | macnewbold | how'd he react? |
| 15:19.50 | unum | you just asked "really?" |
| 15:19.59 | unum | though I wonder if it shook him up a little bit more long term |
| 15:20.06 | unum | after all no one reviews my work here |
| 15:20.15 | unum | not that I'd ever do anything dishonest |
| 15:20.21 | unum | their trust is not misplaced |
| 15:20.25 | unum | but I'm still suprised by it |
| 15:21.05 | unum | one day the polling results should show that 99% of people reported electronic voting as their number one concern |
| 15:21.29 | unum | though I'd probably lose my job over that one |
| 15:21.43 | mgeary | it's not computers you don't trust, it's people |
| 15:21.53 | unum | that's true |
| 15:22.01 | unum | I don't trust the people that programmed the current machines |
| 15:22.07 | unum | and they won't let me review what they did |
| 15:22.18 | mindjuju | so i've got a quick question about some of this stuff, electronic voting |
| 15:22.20 | mgeary | i don't like that either |
| 15:22.37 | mindjuju | we seem to have figured out touch screen with ATMs, why is electronic voting so much different? |
| 15:22.51 | mgeary | more is at stake ;) |
| 15:23.02 | mindjuju | i've heard things from both political camps that people voting for one party goes a vote to the other side |
| 15:23.03 | unum | I thought they did use touch screens |
| 15:23.12 | unum | in fact they use ones made by an atm company |
| 15:23.13 | mindjuju | and just tons of confusion |
| 15:23.23 | unum | probalem is it's the worst company |
| 15:23.34 | mgeary | i have a friend of a friend who videoed his voting machine changing his vote right in front of his eyes |
| 15:23.36 | mindjuju | the only atm company i know of is diebold |
| 15:23.41 | mindjuju | is that the one that suckis? |
| 15:23.42 | mgeary | the video is on YouTube |
| 15:23.52 | mindjuju | mgeary, link? |
| 15:24.02 | unum | mgeary: which direction did the vote go? |
| 15:24.12 | mgeary | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHCp3EAyIug |
| 15:24.22 | mgeary | http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/dunen/voting_machine_in_dallas_tx_changing_votes_right/ |
| 15:24.31 | mindjuju | vid removed :( |
| 15:24.44 | mgeary | huh. wonder why... |
| 15:24.53 | mgeary | it changed all votes to the Green Party |
| 15:25.04 | mindjuju | prolly from the manufactor threatening lawsuit |
| 15:25.09 | unum | weird |
| 15:25.26 | mindjuju | any ways though, that's my point mgeary |
| 15:25.35 | mindjuju | did you ever ask for $20 from an ATM and get a $5 ? |
| 15:25.46 | mindjuju | true, i don't use ATMs any more, because of the fees and safety |
| 15:25.54 | mindjuju | but in my time of using them, that's NEVER happened |
| 15:25.58 | unum | fees? |
| 15:26.01 | mindjuju | what gives? |
| 15:26.10 | unum | I thought most banks were charging you if you didn't use atms |
| 15:26.20 | unum | but anyways, they only have $20 but I get your point |
| 15:27.00 | unum | I try to never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence |
| 15:27.05 | unum | but in this case it's difficult |
| 15:27.18 | fungus | mindjuju, the difference is that I can track the results of the ATM operations through my own records to verify accuracy. |
| 15:27.20 | unum | thats a looooooooooooooooooooooot of incompetence |
| 15:28.09 | fungus | Also, Banks are responsible in case of error for fixing the problem. They have a financial interest in accuracy. |
| 15:28.47 | mindjuju | @fungus, i think you're point is that ATMs aren't infallable and there is something of a failure rate |
| 15:28.51 | mindjuju | and that's possible |
| 15:29.15 | mindjuju | maybe since voting is so important, the failure rate is more noticable |
| 15:29.19 | fungus | Yes ATMs are fallable, but through my records, and banks responsibility it's ok. |
| 15:29.36 | fungus | Voting machines have no financial interest towards me. |
| 15:29.38 | mindjuju | that being the case though, i wish that i had asked for a $5 and gotten $100 out |
| 15:29.48 | macnewbold | there's a way to redress grievances with atms - you can show what you did and complain about it |
| 15:30.00 | macnewbold | in voting, it is anonymous and you can't say - hey this is my ballot, and it's wrong |
| 15:30.09 | fungus | Also, voting machines "records" can be suspect. Though Utah's Paper tapes seem pretty good. |
| 15:30.15 | macnewbold | the paper copy that you verify is supposed to be that double check |
| 15:31.20 | fungus | mindjuju, also, voting machines aren't treated with the same physical security that ATMs are subject too. |
| 15:31.36 | mindjuju | maybe they should be |
| 15:32.22 | mindjuju | hope it isn't busy |
| 15:32.23 | fungus | A while back. Windley posted pics of voting machines left unguarded in a lobby of a building. Completely unsupervised |
| 15:32.32 | mindjuju | saw that |
| 15:32.36 | mindjuju | that's nuts |
| 15:32.44 | fungus | That doesn't happen with ATMs |
| 15:33.20 | fungus | Oh, another thought about the difference. ATMs authenticate every transaction. Voting machines do not. |
| 15:34.32 | SunSparc | Of course ATM's are supervised. They have cash inside them. :) |
| 15:34.33 | fungus | All that being said. I have fairly decent confidence in the paper tape systems, and will use the machines later today. |
| 15:35.11 | macnewbold | i vote by mail, but for the convenience |
| 15:35.20 | fungus | Especially since the people in my precient |
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| 15:35.45 | mindjuju | @macnewbold, i know ... /me pats the envelope by his desk |
| 15:35.50 | mgeary | SunSparc: i'm sure it will eventually get there, and I agree |
| 15:36.12 | fungus | doh. The people in my voting place are all honest old people that I know. |
| 15:36.15 | macnewbold | though this time i waited long enough that i have to drop it off at a polling place |
| 15:36.31 | unum | I mailed mine in last week |
| 15:36.45 | unum | I hope the basketball player loses |
| 15:36.47 | unum | and loses bad |
| 15:36.54 | macnewbold | who is that? |
| 15:36.57 | mgeary | Oregon |
| 15:37.12 | macnewbold | is that his name or his state? |
| 15:37.16 | mgeary | state |
| 15:37.20 | macnewbold | oh |
| 15:37.23 | macnewbold | i hadn't heard about tit |
| 15:37.25 | macnewbold | bout it |
| 15:37.38 | unum | well there's one running for governor in oregon |
| 15:37.40 | macnewbold | that's exactly the kind of typo that ends up on bash.org |
| 15:37.45 | mindjuju | yup |
| 15:37.49 | unum | and there's shawn bradly running for state rep here |
| 15:37.50 | mgeary | i hope Harry Reid can hold it together in Nevada. I don't always agree with everything he does, but his opponent is just off the wall |
| 15:38.05 | unum | I just moved out of the district that bradley is running in |
| 15:38.17 | unum | I wish granato had a chance |
| 15:38.24 | unum | I've yelled at family members over that one |
| 15:38.38 | mgeary | i ended up voting for Lee, mostly because he was a high school buddy |
| 15:38.39 | macnewbold | yeah, I saw a sign the other day that made me laugh out loud and really happy at the same time |
| 15:38.47 | unum | it just makes no sense, my mom taught me that we voted for candidates who support small businesses |
| 15:38.55 | macnewbold | by the 700 E entrance to I-80 W I saw a "Republicans for Granato" sign :) |
| 15:39.03 | unum | so we have a coporate lobbyist vs a small business owner |
| 15:39.35 | unum | macnewbold: his campaign manager is senator bennets son, and his chief fundraiser is mr. mac |
| 15:39.47 | unum | so two promient republican have defected |
| 15:39.50 | macnewbold | yeah, i hope he does well - he got my vote |
| 15:39.58 | unum | and mr. mac did so before lee was his opponent |
| 15:40.43 | macnewbold | yeah, the whole thing with senator bennett getting beat out before the primaries was kinda silly in my opinion |
| 15:41.00 | mgeary | agreed |
| 15:41.09 | unum | I couldn't get a straight answer about people's problem with him |
| 15:41.10 | macnewbold | i hope it bites the republicans in the butt, and that the democrats take the seat - i consider myself republican generally, but i voted for pete last time around too |
| 15:41.11 | mgeary | though i'd really love to give Hatch the boot |
| 15:41.14 | unum | other than the economy sucks |
| 15:41.21 | unum | but you kept bishop?!?!?!? |
| 15:41.27 | mgeary | i hate the role seniority plays in congress and the senate |
| 15:41.34 | unum | ya, I asked a couple of anti-bennet people about that |
| 15:41.34 | macnewbold | yeah, hatch has been there way too long |
| 15:41.49 | unum | and they told me that they didn't care about hatch because the economy was ok 4 years ago |
| 15:42.03 | macnewbold | i think that long in washington (heck, even 8-12 years in washington) leads to a disconnect from his consituents, and much more "business as usual" than is healthy |
| 15:42.13 | unum | he's never lived here |
| 15:42.19 | unum | hatch hasn't |
| 15:42.38 | macnewbold | i think I know where his house is - on Camp Willams road in bluffdale |
| 15:42.40 | macnewbold | looks abandoned |
| 15:42.47 | stderr | well he attended BYU |
| 15:42.51 | stderr | but he grew up in Pennsylvania |
| 15:43.14 | unum | so he did live here for four years |
| 15:43.29 | macnewbold | what, he didn't take 6 to finish a degree? |
| 15:43.40 | unum | he got a law degree |
| 15:43.42 | macnewbold | where'd he get his law degree (iirc he's a lawyer) |
| 15:43.45 | macnewbold | oh |
| 15:43.49 | stderr | Pennsylvania |
| 15:43.56 | unum | so he just got his undergrad at byu |
| 15:43.58 | unum | ? |
| 15:44.00 | stderr | correct |
| 15:46.16 | mindjuju | there hasn't been a conversation here on politics in a loong time |
| 15:46.26 | stderr | brb gotta sacrifice a couple small animals to make sure Sharron Angle doesn't get elected |
| 15:46.46 | josephscott | voted early, amazing how easy it is to forget about election day after already voting |
| 15:47.07 | unum | did anyone watch any of the rally? |
| 15:47.09 | josephscott | I was in las vegas a few weeks ago, both sides in NV were throwing mud like mad |
| 15:47.29 | stderr | unum: I did. |
| 15:47.31 | unum | I was suprised to see matheson put out an attack ad |
| 15:47.33 | mindjuju | i hate to break it up, but this is an interesting read on DDoS via HTTP - http://tinyurl.com/26dywjs |
| 15:47.36 | stderr | I voted early... in Nevada. |
| 15:48.40 | stderr | not that I even like Reid. He's one of my least favorite politicians. But Sharron Angle is Palin crazy. |
| 15:49.00 | josephscott | mindjuju: I don't think slow HTTP requests is a new flaw |
| 15:49.18 | mgeary | stderr: exactly my earlier comments |
| 15:49.32 | mindjuju | true, but there was some spin on this that made it harder for load balancers to address |
| 15:49.42 | mindjuju | iirc |
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| 15:50.31 | josephscott | not a bug, it is a feature, *cough* long polling *cough* |
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| 16:16.55 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 16:16.55 | ibot | installs PocketPC on stderr's PDA |
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| 16:47.33 | mindjuju | i wish i was bold enough to design something like this |
| 16:47.35 | mindjuju | http://www.nationalcaster.com/Images/breakthrough_sm.jpg |
| 16:47.55 | mindjuju | i was looking for replacement stem casters when i saw this on a web page, classic! |
| 16:48.50 | SunSparc | Too bad the rest of their site is not nearly as bold. |
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| 18:25.27 | josephscott | woot |
| 18:27.25 | carmony | so far, I'm kinda impressed |
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| 18:39.28 | carmony | lol, just make sure Redis doesn't slip into swap |
| 18:44.30 | josephscott | you can set a memory limit in the config |
| 18:57.48 | macnewbold | curious |
| 18:57.57 | macnewbold | so it's like a persistent sort of memcached a little bit? |
| 19:06.43 | josephscott | plus some other goodies |
| 19:25.53 | carmony | josephscott: have you used redis-tools? |
| 19:26.22 | josephscott | no |
| 19:26.50 | carmony | really cool to use to watch what redis is doing |
| 19:27.18 | carmony | http://screencast.com/t/UMdiDWzjqZX |
| 19:28.24 | josephscott | nice, I know you can collect lots of data/stats on what redis does, just haven't tried it yet |
| 19:31.19 | carmony | wow... I'm surprised I could live in a world without screen |
| 19:32.15 | carmony | ok |
| 19:32.33 | carmony | josephscott: so I can understand, it seems like when a BG save is performed |
| 19:32.56 | carmony | my mem consumption almost doubles |
| 19:33.24 | carmony | ok, maybe not double, but it climbs and climbs until its done |
| 19:33.38 | josephscott | BGSAVE? |
| 19:33.58 | josephscott | that causes redis to fork |
| 19:34.04 | carmony | yeah, when it writes a copy to disk |
| 19:34.05 | carmony | ok |
| 19:34.16 | josephscott | the parent continues to serve data, the child writes data to disk |
| 19:34.30 | carmony | both with their own copy of the data in memory? |
| 19:34.40 | josephscott | which is simple and safe, but can cost memory |
| 19:34.51 | josephscott | are you still writing to redis after you issue BGSAVE? |
| 19:35.31 | josephscott | I'd imagine it uses a cow technique to limit memory use, but I could be wrong |
| 19:38.35 | josephscott | carmony: how are you watching the memory usage of redis? |
| 19:40.48 | josephscott | also, what version are you using? |
| 19:41.01 | carmony | 2.0.3 |
| 19:41.11 | carmony | a tool called redis-stat |
| 19:41.57 | josephscott | you should look at memory usage with ps |
| 19:44.28 | josephscott | does the AOF perform any better? |
| 19:53.43 | carmony | I'll try that next |
| 19:53.54 | carmony | I'm just trying to beat the snot out of Redis right now |
| 19:55.11 | carmony | to make sure I understand how it works, and what works well with it |
| 19:55.21 | mindjuju | cedwards found this, herlo on the fedora website FTW! - http://fedoraproject.org/en/features/#entertainment |
| 19:55.25 | mindjuju | scroll down to the bottom |
| 19:55.36 | herlo | mindjuju: lol |
| 19:55.46 | mindjuju | that's cool bro! |
| 19:55.50 | herlo | it's been there for a couple weeks, I've gotten noticed by others too :) |
| 19:56.07 | herlo | thx, I did that in like 5 minutes a few weeks back while in Boston |
| 19:56.22 | herlo | Mo Duffy asked me and I said yes :) |
| 19:56.30 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:56.30 | herlo | she's the Fedora design team lead |
| 19:56.49 | mindjuju | is she the one that ate waffles with us that one time at the belgian ? |
| 19:59.28 | herlo | mindjuju: no, that was Robyn, the marketing team lead |
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| 21:00.47 | mgeary | hey Cake people |
| 21:01.38 | mgeary | i'm migrating a Cake site from one server to another. The servers are both Rackspace instances, and are pretty much identical in every way. The php ini files are identical, the directory trees are identical, and the code has been rsynced over and is identical |
| 21:02.10 | mgeary | however, the new Cake app is throwing an error, "Class 'Configure' not found in /path/to/app/config/core.php on line 40" |
| 21:02.28 | mgeary | anyone have any insights? |
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| 21:08.42 | mgeary | anyone? anyone? |
| 21:09.29 | mindjuju | insights in general or insights in cake? |
| 21:10.05 | mindjuju | in general, i do; insights into cake, DtD might though i don't think he's done that for a while, and somebody here was on the Cake Documentation team |
| 21:10.39 | mgeary | insights into what might be causing the problem we're seeing |
| 21:10.43 | mindjuju | or maybe that was the mailing list |
| 21:14.28 | mgeary | found it |
| 21:14.34 | mgeary | didn't have mod-rewrite enabled |
| 21:14.35 | mgeary | sheesh |
| 21:15.41 | DexterTheDragon | I was about to ask if the .htaccess files were there |
| 21:15.50 | mgeary | yeah, and i even checked them |
| 21:16.01 | mgeary | sigh |
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| 21:16.48 | blindingdawn | knock knock |
| 21:24.04 | mgeary | MOO! |
| 21:27.10 | josephscott | ~rlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttttttttttttt |
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| 21:36.28 | mgeary | ouch |
| 21:36.31 | mgeary | glad you're alright |
| 21:36.56 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: why were you standing on the freeway? |
| 21:37.13 | carmony | lol |
| 21:37.29 | carmony | my car was about 2 feet from the other idiot lady who was talking on her cell phone... |
| 21:43.48 | josephscott | just about any reasonably long drive in a car involves getting irritated at other drivers that aren't paying attention |
| 21:47.56 | carmony | well, I had to slam on my breaks to almost a complete stop, fortunately the fedex truck was far enough behind me it could slow down quick enough to not hit me |
| 21:49.35 | josephscott | yikes |
| 21:51.44 | carmony | she was taking an exit, had slowed down for it, then realized "Oh, this is the wrong exit", and quickly swerved(sp?) back into my lane, only going half my speed, and right in front of me |
| 21:52.35 | carmony | yeah, well just go through the exit :P |
| 21:52.41 | carmony | cause you can get back on |
| 21:52.57 | mgeary | sometimes |
| 21:53.45 | josephscott | not often enough, the on/off ramps are designed strangely on my part of I-15 |
| 21:53.53 | josephscott | and they did it again with the new 11400 exit |
| 21:56.04 | carmony | so its been interesting to see how Redis works, inspecting what it does with these tools |
| 21:56.12 | carmony | especially in VM mode |
| 21:57.55 | carmony | like when a BGSAVE is executing, it won't write to it's swap file |
| 22:00.10 | josephscott | interesting |
| 22:00.15 | carmony | so it will grow past your vm-max-memory setting |
| 22:00.25 | carmony | during a BGSAVE |
| 22:01.23 | carmony | so if you have a very large data set, so saves take awhile, and you have a lot of write activity, you want to make sure you have pleanty of space |
| 22:01.28 | carmony | in available RAM |
| 22:02.13 | josephscott | yep, because those additional writes after the save starts will definitely take up extra room, that's how cow works |
| 22:03.06 | carmony | so now that I've configured it better |
| 22:03.11 | carmony | its working really well. |
| 22:03.24 | josephscott | cool, any specific numbers to share? |
| 22:03.33 | josephscott | *cough* blog post *cough* |
| 22:03.42 | carmony | well, I'm storing about 6 thousand match scores a second :P |
| 22:03.47 | carmony | that used to be 6,000 inserts |
| 22:03.50 | carmony | on my DB |
| 22:04.19 | josephscott | cool, how does redis handle that compared to the DB? |
| 22:04.27 | carmony | way better |
| 22:04.31 | carmony | waaaaaaay better |
| 22:04.44 | josephscott | :-) |
| 22:05.13 | carmony | also, when it goes and pulls something from the swap, its really quick |
| 22:05.41 | carmony | the only time I've caused redis to kinda chug was when I looped through and pulled back -every- key I had. |
| 22:06.01 | josephscott | haha, well, yeah, walking every data point for a large data set |
| 22:06.08 | josephscott | like a full table scan in a DB |
| 22:06.55 | carmony | yup |
| 22:07.11 | carmony | well and even that isn't too bad, unless a BGSAVE executes |
| 22:07.17 | josephscott | did you end up using strings instead of int's? |
| 22:07.18 | carmony | then you're loading your entire dataset into memory |
| 22:07.31 | carmony | yeah |
| 22:07.35 | josephscott | and are these in hashes? |
| 22:07.43 | carmony | yup |
| 22:08.03 | josephscott | so the next trick is to turn on redis replication and see how that performs |
| 22:08.22 | carmony | Ooooh, good idea |
| 22:08.24 | josephscott | I love that it is just one line in the config or a single command on a live server |
| 22:08.56 | josephscott | also, have you stopped and started redis a few times to see how long it takes to reload the data? |
| 22:10.19 | carmony | a dataset of 10,000 users, so thats 10,000 * 3,000 is about 2 minutes |
| 22:11.16 | josephscott | hmmm, longer than I'd hoped. how big is the data file for the 30k records? |
| 22:11.41 | carmony | no, its 10,000 keys with 3,000 key/pair values each |
| 22:11.56 | carmony | so 30 million key/pair values total :P |
| 22:12.08 | josephscott | oh, I read that wrong, much more data |
| 22:12.24 | josephscott | so 2 minutes might not be too bad for 30M data points |
| 22:13.04 | blindingdawn | Can someone help me with a php issue? I'm trying to get Microsoft Sql for PHP drivers to work |
| 22:13.10 | carmony | its 239M of disk space, the dump file |
| 22:13.23 | unum | ? |
| 22:13.48 | unum | blindingdawn: you mean you are trying to get php to query an ms sql database? |
| 22:15.26 | josephscott | carmony: about 8 bytes per data point then |
| 22:15.45 | blindingdawn | unum: yes but using SQL Drivers for PHP (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/cc296182%28v=SQL.90%29.aspx). basicly rewriting the mysql.php file |
| 22:15.55 | blindingdawn | http://www.pastie.org/1267801 |
| 22:16.12 | unum | why not just use the ones that come with php |
| 22:16.28 | unum | oh I see |
| 22:16.42 | unum | nope no I don't |
| 22:16.50 | blindingdawn | because the query code is different between MSSQL and MySQL. The microsoft drivers translate that |
| 22:17.02 | unum | http://us.php.net/manual/en/mssql.installation.php |
| 22:17.08 | unum | php has ms sql dirves |
| 22:17.11 | unum | drivers |
| 22:17.37 | unum | you just have to enable them in the php.ini |
| 22:18.32 | unum | are you interfacing to an existing mssql database or is this a new project? |
| 22:18.43 | blindingdawn | ive tried that |
| 22:19.03 | unum | and decided that writing your own driver was easier? |
| 22:19.36 | blindingdawn | No... using the Microsoft SQL Drivers for PHP resolves the issue apparently |
| 22:20.43 | unum | is this an existing ms sql database? |
| 22:20.57 | blindingdawn | Brand new Database |
| 22:21.06 | unum | then don't use MS SQL |
| 22:21.14 | unum | use mysql or postgresql |
| 22:21.21 | blindingdawn | The setup procedure for OpenX builds the database schema |
| 22:21.41 | blindingdawn | I don't have a choice in picking a database server. I have to use MSSQL |
| 22:21.51 | blindingdawn | My boss wants to get it working in MSSQ: |
| 22:21.54 | blindingdawn | MSSQL |
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| 22:22.13 | josephscott | mgeary: what's wrong with 'svn mv' ? |
| 22:22.15 | blindingdawn | I found this solution but I don't know how to start in getting it working |
| 22:22.29 | unum | I don't think anyone here uses mssql |
| 22:22.46 | josephscott | haven't touched mssql for nearly 4 years |
| 22:23.02 | blindingdawn | Are you on a windows box? |
| 22:23.06 | mgeary | josephscott: i needed to put an existing folder inside a not-yet-created new folder (nest it down a level). So i create a new folder, add it, and do "svn mv" |
| 22:23.13 | mgeary | then things fell apart |
| 22:23.15 | unum | all my machines are linux |
| 22:23.32 | blindingdawn | :bowdown: |
| 22:23.57 | josephscott | I made PHP talk to MSSQL many years ago, I'd imagine it still works |
| 22:25.27 | blindingdawn | josephscott: I'm trying to get OpenX (http://www.openx.org/products/source-download) to talk to a MSSQL server via the Microsoft SQL drivers for rPHP |
| 22:25.58 | mgeary | josephscott: and as far as i can tell, "svn mv" is really just deleting and adding, which seems to imply it will have to re-upload all the assets that were simply moved |
| 22:26.09 | mgeary | which is awful when you're on a 680kbit/sec upload pipe |
| 22:26.29 | josephscott | mgeary: it also copies history, which is good |
| 22:26.44 | josephscott | might not be blindly fast, but better than loosing the history |
| 22:26.55 | josephscott | blindingdawn: on a windows box? |
| 22:28.07 | josephscott | I'd start with the equiv of hello world, make sure the basic DB functions work, then build up to openx |
| 22:28.22 | blindingdawn | josephscott:Well.. for someone to test it or get it working. They need to run or have access to atlease Sql Express |
| 22:28.35 | mgeary | josephscott: my mv and all got interrupted by a segfault, so i've been trying to recover. I'm now at the sorry state where my moved directory lives inside a non-versioned directory, and no amount of reverting will get it back to the state it should be in |
| 22:29.32 | josephscott | segfault, fun |
| 22:29.58 | mgeary | so my next move is to check out the latest version of the directory i need to move |
| 22:29.59 | josephscott | blindingdawn: not sure I understand, don't you have access to the server in question? |
| 22:30.28 | blindingdawn | josephscott: I do but I was hoping to tap someone else to help me pull this off |
| 22:31.09 | josephscott | oh, yeah, can't help there I'm afraid |
| 22:32.40 | mgeary | hrm |
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| 22:32.50 | mgeary | okay |
| 22:32.55 | mgeary | so help me out here, folks |
| 22:33.09 | mgeary | "svn st" doesn't report a folder as missing, but it is. I need to get it back |
| 22:33.26 | mgeary | i tried checking it out, but that gives me, "svn: '.' is already a working copy for a different URL" |
| 22:37.39 | josephscott | svn up -r 'OLDER_REV' ? |
| 22:37.51 | josephscott | to get the missing folder? |
| 22:54.36 | stderr | apt-get remove --force-yes subversion |
| 23:14.58 | josephscott | popcorn anyone? http://devour.com/video/popcorn-popping/ |
| 23:15.47 | mgeary | josephscott: i find it super weird that it jumps *before* it opens |
| 23:16.20 | josephscott | internal bounce perhaps? |
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| 23:41.07 | josephscott | mgeary: what did you end up doing with the apple tv? |
| 23:41.16 | josephscott | you needed composite output right? |
| 23:41.18 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:41.38 | mgeary | nothing as yet. For a while i considered getting a new TV, but i don't think i can justify that |
| 23:41.40 | josephscott | just pondering the same thing at my house, I have no HD tvs |
| 23:41.56 | mgeary | so i think i'll be shelling out the $150 for an HDMI -> component converter |
| 23:41.58 | josephscott | yep, I'd rather not buy one right now either |
| 23:42.00 | mgeary | i have component, not composite |
| 23:42.15 | mindjuju | mgeary, if it helps any |
| 23:42.20 | mindjuju | i'd wait for Christmas |
| 23:42.48 | mindjuju | i just read an article saying all TV manufactors in dire straits and planning to sell tvs v cheaply |
| 23:42.56 | mindjuju | Christmas time, to reduce losses |
| 23:42.57 | mgeary | maybe |
| 23:42.59 | herlo | mindjuju: oh? |
| 23:43.02 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 23:43.09 | mindjuju | if you want, i'll see if i can dig it up again |
| 23:43.16 | herlo | yeah, I'm in the market for a new TV |
| 23:43.33 | mindjuju | but it was saying something about sony and panasonic taking it in the shorts so badly, they have to, just to have some $$ |
| 23:44.00 | mindjuju | google chrome, i love you |
| 23:44.01 | mindjuju | http://www.switched.com/2010/11/01/tv-prices-drop-holiday-season/ |
| 23:44.03 | mgeary | thing is, my current living room tv is fairly large. I haven't measured, but it's prolly 50" across. I think it's internal projection. Replacing that with a new flat tv seems like it will be > $1000 |
| 23:44.29 | mindjuju | oh |
| 23:44.39 | mindjuju | i thought you had just some scrappy tv you've had all long |
| 23:44.46 | mindjuju | you're right then, that's prolly not the way to go |
| 23:45.50 | mgeary | it's not a new tv. I inherited it when i bought a rental property, but after ~$200 at the repair place, it works like a charm |
| 23:46.05 | mindjuju | rock on! |
| 23:46.18 | mindjuju | sounds like our stuff |
| 23:46.34 | mgeary | and for the record, i think 3D tv is a fad that will quickly fade |
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