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| 15:12.37 | mindjuju1 | snow - bah humbug! |
| 15:12.48 | jsmith | mindjuju1: Yay for snow! |
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| 15:13.59 | mindjuju | boo for jsmith ! |
| 15:14.44 | jsmith | Haters gonna hate... |
| 15:15.18 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:20.11 | herlo | mindjuju: :) |
| 15:20.24 | jsmith | herlo: Are you saying you don't like the snow too? |
| 15:20.33 | herlo | jsmith: I don't hate it |
| 15:20.53 | herlo | but I've had to drive to PC the past two days in it, almost whiteout on the way home last night |
| 15:20.56 | herlo | that's not fun |
| 15:20.59 | herlo | but I like the snow |
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| 15:44.14 | carmony | aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggg |
| 15:44.30 | carmony | someone just put a bunch of tables in my nicely CSS'd layout |
| 15:45.59 | romanovic-afk | is there really snow? |
| 15:46.02 | romanovic-afk | how much? |
| 15:46.27 | mindjuju | couple inches on car, none on floor in orem |
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| 15:50.41 | unum | we have a couple inches on the floor in murray |
| 15:50.41 | fungus | http://imagebin.ca/view/h6yN6su1.html |
| 15:51.59 | romanovic | 2015. Maybe 2015 the world will abolish table layouts. or 2020 or 2025. |
| 15:52.23 | romanovic | http://imagebin.ca/view/h6yN6su1.html |
| 15:52.28 | romanovic | oops |
| 15:53.13 | mindjuju | @carmony <div class="beautifulCSS"><table><tr><td width=10><img src="rtTop.gif"></td><td width=250></td><td width=10><img src="lfTop.gif"></td></tr>... |
| 15:56.51 | romanovic | fungus: nice |
| 15:57.01 | romanovic | that from today? |
| 15:57.09 | fungus | just now |
| 15:58.00 | unum | so clients send us videos in all sorts of formats and we need to put them on a web page(I've been using flowplayer) |
| 15:58.29 | unum | does anyone have any recommendations on software to convert the videos to swf |
| 15:58.41 | unum | I'm also interested in suggestions for replacing flowplayer |
| 15:59.38 | mindjuju | unum, i strongly recommend http://www.longtailvideo.com/players/ |
| 15:59.41 | mindjuju | jw player |
| 15:59.57 | mindjuju | TONS of features and points of articulation and it's cheap |
| 16:00.01 | mindjuju | but v good |
| 16:00.45 | mindjuju | as to conversion to swf, can i ask why you picked that particular format? swf has a limitation of like 2 minutes of guaranteed audio/video sync, after that, it'd better not be somebody talking because it becomes painfully obvious |
| 16:00.55 | mindjuju | i'd recommend flv |
| 16:01.01 | mindjuju | or mp4 |
| 16:01.15 | mindjuju | actually, let's swtich that, i recommend mp4 first |
| 16:01.22 | mgeary | yeah |
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| 16:02.33 | mindjuju | as far as conversion, i was using adobe media encoder (from CS4), BUT, i was starting to build out a linux based solution |
| 16:02.41 | mindjuju | that's where i stopped because i shifted employers |
| 16:03.04 | mindjuju | but i was looking at ffmpeg and vlc as candidates |
| 16:03.43 | herlo | romanovic: there are about 6" here in Park City |
| 16:03.51 | herlo | though it looks to possibly melt some today |
| 16:04.14 | mindjuju | i was looking at linux for conversion because of its low resource consumption versus what it could offer for the encoding process |
| 16:04.58 | mindjuju | dedicated box in RAID 5 SCSI 15k seems like it was 78G |
| 16:05.28 | mindjuju | man, i wished i could have finished that |
| 16:08.19 | unum | mindjuju: I picked it out of ignorance |
| 16:08.38 | unum | what's a good program to use to convert/edit mp4 files? |
| 16:08.47 | unum | I should say format not edit |
| 16:09.48 | mindjuju | what kind of resources do you have? For starters I would go with Adobe Encoder, it has lower threshold for using it |
| 16:10.15 | mindjuju | tons of defaults that will make a decent video and make you look like a rockstart (giving you time to get up to speed on something better) |
| 16:10.28 | unum | well I'm putting together a proposal |
| 16:10.43 | unum | I think I could spend a couple thousand dollars |
| 16:10.49 | mgeary | unum: well, you're typically not going to want to *edit* mp4 files. mp4 is a delivery format, and doesn't lend itself well to re-compression, which would be needed after any edit |
| 16:10.52 | mindjuju | are you going to be doing any cutting / editing |
| 16:11.38 | unum | so far what we've had to do in conver formats, and change resolution |
| 16:11.57 | unum | we had to append videos once, but jw player looks like it will do playlists for us |
| 16:12.02 | mindjuju | k, so let's look at what mgeary said, cause he's spot on |
| 16:12.11 | mgeary | ...as usual |
| 16:12.20 | mindjuju | if you're going to be doing conversion, you want a raw format |
| 16:12.25 | mindjuju | and YOU convert to MP4 |
| 16:12.35 | mindjuju | mgeary, making this hard for me to type i'm laughing |
| 16:12.57 | unum | I'll have to look at what they've been sending us |
| 16:13.04 | unum | I've probably been doing this all wrong..... |
| 16:13.17 | mindjuju | well, the raw stuff will be HUGE, so be ready for it |
| 16:13.17 | unum | it was one of those things were I was asked to figure something out in an hour |
| 16:13.25 | mindjuju | expect Gigs for minutes |
| 16:13.26 | unum | and then we just kept doing things that way...... |
| 16:13.35 | mindjuju | BUT, it will significantly increase quality |
| 16:13.37 | unum | we're dealing with tv ads |
| 16:13.56 | unum | we may be getting mp4 files sent over to us every time..... |
| 16:14.44 | mindjuju | oh, so that saves you the trouble of conversion |
| 16:14.51 | mindjuju | sounds like all you need to do is post |
| 16:15.05 | mindjuju | ~mgeary++ |
| 16:16.17 | mindjuju | so unum, how are you planning to deliver the media? progressive or real-time streaming? |
| 16:16.30 | mindjuju | i LOVE that player because it actually handles both |
| 16:19.21 | mgeary | there is a useful-sounding tool called "mp4box" which, iirc allows you to chop pieces off an mp4 file without recompressing |
| 16:19.36 | mindjuju | that could be cool |
| 16:19.46 | mgeary | i've got it on my machine, but have never actually used it |
| 16:19.53 | mgeary | http://www.videohelp.com/tools/mp4box |
| 16:20.18 | mgeary | http://gpac.sourceforge.net/doc_mp4box.php |
| 16:20.22 | mgeary | ^ better |
| 16:20.48 | unum | so I found out we often get .mov files |
| 16:20.53 | unum | that's quicktime right? |
| 16:20.55 | mgeary | yes |
| 16:21.48 | unum | are .mov the same as mp4 |
| 16:21.54 | mgeary | no |
| 16:22.08 | mgeary | Quicktime is an architecture, not a format |
| 16:22.53 | mgeary | you may need to look at your audio and video tracks and see what their respective codecs are |
| 16:23.24 | mgeary | but if you're getting compressed ("web-ready") .mov files, you may have playback issues for some users, depending on how you're serving up the files |
| 16:23.27 | unum | so the formats that are used inside a .mov file can vary? |
| 16:23.29 | mgeary | right |
| 16:23.54 | unum | the files are not consistently coming from one source |
| 16:24.04 | unum | in fact I doubt they ever come from the same source |
| 16:24.10 | mgeary | if you're using a media server like Wowza, you could serve up some mov files (those with H.264 video tracks) and play it with Flash, but if you're serving the files up directly for progressive download, it gets trickier |
| 16:24.17 | unum | we're testing tv ads for various organizations |
| 16:24.39 | mgeary | we're facing similar issues on a current project |
| 16:24.52 | unum | so we're embedding these video in side a webpage(created by custom surveying software) |
| 16:25.19 | mgeary | i suspect where you'll probably land is running all submitted videos through a unifying conversion |
| 16:25.34 | mgeary | we've used ffmepg for that, but we're also looking at encoding.com |
| 16:25.53 | mgeary | unum: and you want to use a Flash video player, i gather? |
| 16:26.33 | unum | mgeary: correct |
| 16:27.04 | mgeary | yeah, because no matter how hard you try, you'll probably have people giving you .wmv files, .avi files, and .mov files |
| 16:29.23 | unum | thanks for your help |
| 16:29.27 | unum | I appreciate it |
| 16:29.32 | mgeary | how are you gathering the files? |
| 16:29.39 | mgeary | that's the other big issue with projects like this |
| 16:37.24 | unum | they email them to us |
| 16:37.32 | unum | is that you mean by gathering? |
| 16:39.00 | unum | now I see what you mean progressive download |
| 16:39.03 | unum | we just want that |
| 16:39.10 | unum | we don't want people skipping parts of the video |
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| 16:49.26 | mgeary | back now |
| 16:50.23 | mgeary | they email the files? so i gather they must be pretty short videos |
| 16:51.32 | unum | they're tv ads |
| 16:51.36 | unum | so 30 seconds usually |
| 16:51.54 | mgeary | okay so you're probably not seeing files larger than about 15 megs at most |
| 16:52.00 | mgeary | which is borderline email-able |
| 16:52.06 | mgeary | and ideally, more like 1 or 2 megs |
| 16:52.19 | mgeary | but people don't know how to prepare videos properly. We get huge videos all the time |
| 16:52.49 | unum | I was actually just trying to find what size they are coming to us as |
| 16:53.19 | mgeary | so, if you wanted to get fancy, you could use ffmpeg to determine the dimensions and datarate, and you could selectively re-compress files that didn't meet acceptable parameters |
| 16:59.06 | unum | what do you think is a reasonable resolution for online videos? |
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| 16:59.35 | unum | looks like we are getting most of these down to <3mb flv files |
| 17:02.00 | mgeary | well, we will often aim for the width to be about 500 pixels, with the width being proportional |
| 17:02.56 | mgeary | it's really mostly about the data rate. We typically aim for about 600kbits/sec total throughput |
| 17:03.08 | mgeary | with about 500kbits going to video, and 100 to audio |
| 17:03.58 | mgeary | clearly, if you need larger dimensions, your quality will either go down, or your data rate will go up. just remember that as your dimensions double, your data rate quadruples |
| 17:06.11 | carmony | woohoo, I love having a server frozen up, and reboot console that has never worked, and I have to wait 10-15 minutes to get a reboot. |
| 17:06.35 | mindjuju | wow, where is that at carmony? |
| 17:06.45 | carmony | LT... |
| 17:06.48 | carmony | Layered Tech |
| 17:13.21 | josephscott | did they ever give a reason for why the reboot console doesn't work? |
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| 17:14.40 | mindjuju | did you get all answers you needed unum? |
| 17:14.46 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 17:14.46 | ibot | takes a big bite out of eco's jugular vein |
| 17:32.07 | unum | mindjuju: I think I did for now |
| 17:32.08 | unum | thanks |
| 17:32.15 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 17:32.15 | ibot | executes killall -TERM SunSparc |
| 17:32.17 | macnewbold | ~runaway |
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| 17:49.19 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 17:49.19 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at herlo |
| 17:49.42 | josephscott | you know, the military actually built a portable nuke launcher |
| 17:52.29 | mindjuju | that's funny, "some rounds" of a nuclear device, as if collateral damage from a non-direct hit wasn't enough |
| 17:52.42 | josephscott | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device) |
| 17:59.18 | herlo | ~lart josephscott |
| 17:59.18 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at josephscott |
| 18:00.50 | josephscott | not very original ibot |
| 18:01.09 | herlo | ~lart josephscott |
| 18:01.09 | ibot | decapitates josephscott conan the destroyer style |
| 18:01.15 | herlo | :P |
| 18:01.22 | josephscott | haha |
| 18:10.47 | mindjuju | k, i'm officially perplexed |
| 18:11.34 | mindjuju | when I try to ssh from server1 to server 2, it works and everybody is happy, when i try to ssh from server1 to server3 (at a different host company), it doesn't even show up in the log as an attempt |
| 18:11.42 | mindjuju | what's up with that? |
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| 18:18.39 | macnewbold | mindjuju: have you tried going from 2 to 3? |
| 18:19.23 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:19.57 | macnewbold | if 1->2 works, 1->3 doesn't, then if 2->3 does or doesn't that will indicate if it's a problem near 3, or something else |
| 18:20.00 | mindjuju | no problems there |
| 18:20.08 | macnewbold | interesting |
| 18:20.26 | macnewbold | so everything works between 1, 2, and 3 except for 1->3 |
| 18:20.31 | mindjuju | right |
| 18:20.33 | macnewbold | could be routing, firewalling, etc. |
| 18:21.03 | mindjuju | i thought that too, but i can ping |
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| 18:28.22 | macnewbold | if you can ping, but not ssh, try doing an nmap on it or something, from 1 and from 2 |
| 18:29.25 | macnewbold | my bet is that something between 1 and 3 is firewalling a bunch of ports |
| 18:30.57 | mindjuju | so port 22 comes up but it comes up as filtered |
| 18:31.11 | mindjuju | there is a web interface for the server, cpanel |
| 18:31.21 | mindjuju | ive added an ssh key from server 1 into server 3 there |
| 18:32.43 | macnewbold | from 1->3 it comes up filtered? what does it get from 2->3? |
| 18:33.04 | macnewbold | you might have to add server1 to an ip whitelist in #3's controlpanel maybe? |
| 18:35.21 | mindjuju | from 2 it shows up as open, not filtered |
| 18:35.28 | mindjuju | i'll look for whitelist |
| 18:40.39 | macnewbold | interesting - that means it is treating it differently from 2 than from 1 |
| 18:42.22 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:32.23 | carmony | fungus: how do you check a linux box if its having hardware issues again? |
| 19:32.49 | fungus | most hardware problems will log stuff in the kernel log |
| 19:32.54 | fungus | dmesg |
| 19:32.59 | fungus | or tail /var/log/messages |
| 19:33.24 | mindjuju | tail -f if you want to see real time |
| 19:34.44 | fungus | though a lot of hardware will error/fail silently |
| 19:34.47 | fungus | like memory |
| 19:35.39 | josephscott | left over enchiladas for lunch, yum |
| 19:36.22 | mindjuju | tail -f josephscott enchiladas |
| 19:43.05 | carmony | how do you use dmesg? |
| 19:44.29 | stderr | type it in |
| 19:44.38 | stderr | it just prints the message buffer of the kernel |
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| 20:54.29 | mindjuju | nachos would be good right now |
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| 20:56.30 | carmony | SunSparc: you guys use unfuddle? |
| 20:56.31 | DexterTheDragon | ~rlart |
| 20:56.31 | ibot | follow's TuxToaster with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 20:56.41 | SunSparc | carmony: correct |
| 20:56.42 | carmony | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 20:56.42 | ibot | executes killall -HUP DexterTheDragon |
| 20:56.49 | carmony | SunSparc: Do you like it? |
| 20:56.50 | DexterTheDragon | ~dtdhit carmony |
| 20:56.50 | ibot | ACTION stikes at carmony with the vulgar dragon technique knocking off an appendage! |
| 20:57.03 | SunSparc | carmony: We really do. |
| 20:57.19 | SunSparc | I even use it for some of my personal side projects. |
| 20:57.20 | mindjuju | DtD, did you see that music vid i posted yesterday for you? |
| 20:57.29 | carmony | SunSparc: Have you had any issues with it? Also, can you hook it up to external SVN repos? |
| 20:57.29 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: yeep |
| 20:57.39 | mindjuju | you likely? |
| 20:57.46 | DexterTheDragon | it was awesome |
| 20:57.57 | SunSparc | carmony: The only issue has been running out of projects and disk space because we use it so much. |
| 20:58.07 | SunSparc | But it is easy to upgrade. |
| 20:58.29 | SunSparc | carmony: external SVN, no. |
| 20:58.30 | carmony | hrm, have you guys used anything else, like Assembla? |
| 20:58.53 | SunSparc | carmony: For just svn hosting or are you looking at the project management aspect as well? |
| 20:58.59 | carmony | pm as well |
| 20:59.26 | SunSparc | carmony: Yeah, the pm is pretty nice as well. Great ticketing system. |
| 20:59.40 | SunSparc | You can get a free account and try it out. |
| 20:59.45 | SunSparc | I recommend it. |
| 20:59.49 | mindjuju | ~ticket SunSparc |
| 21:00.07 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:00.42 | josephscott | Trac not cutting it? |
| 21:00.46 | josephscott | ~lart google |
| 21:00.46 | ibot | decapitates google conan the destroyer style |
| 21:00.47 | SunSparc | carmony: Before Unfuddle we did our own svn hosting which was less than desirable. |
| 21:00.57 | SunSparc | We used to use Trac and did not enjoy it. |
| 21:01.18 | josephscott | what were the pain points for Trac? |
| 21:01.41 | SunSparc | ~pimpslap mindjuju |
| 21:01.41 | ibot | sunsparc pimpslaps mindjuju. ouch! |
| 21:01.51 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 21:02.08 | SunSparc | josephscott: the admin aspect mostly. |
| 21:02.28 | mindjuju | Hi, Billy Mays here with Unfuddled! Ticketing system inadequate? Project PM hopeless lost in quagmire? Unclog those projects with Unfuddled! |
| 21:02.40 | josephscott | Trac does some screwy stuff, but for the most part has gotten the job done |
| 21:02.49 | SunSparc | Making new projects, getting people access, it was just not extremely friendly. |
| 21:03.05 | SunSparc | Yeah, getting the job done was not enough for us. |
| 21:03.15 | SunSparc | We wanted intuitive and friendly. :) |
| 21:03.17 | josephscott | do you guys have full time sysadmins? |
| 21:03.50 | SunSparc | josephscott: At the time we did not, so I kinda played that role. |
| 21:03.57 | SunSparc | Along with some others. |
| 21:04.10 | josephscott | if regular users have to admin Trac then it probably isn't a good fit |
| 21:04.22 | SunSparc | Perhaps if someone really enjoyed doing the admin part we would have stuck with it. |
| 21:04.50 | SunSparc | We have done our best to outsource most of our IT needs. |
| 21:05.50 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I heard you live in my town. I was talking to the wife about having you and yours over. |
| 21:06.07 | mindjuju | that'd be cool! |
| 21:06.17 | SunSparc | I think so also. |
| 21:06.25 | SunSparc | I think we have some kids that are similar in age. |
| 21:06.34 | mindjuju | 7? |
| 21:06.38 | SunSparc | 8 |
| 21:06.45 | mindjuju | pretty close! |
| 21:06.45 | SunSparc | 5 and 2 |
| 21:06.56 | mindjuju | Corban is super into star wars right now |
| 21:07.08 | SunSparc | We have Lego Star Wars. |
| 21:07.13 | SunSparc | Great fun |
| 21:07.19 | mindjuju | yup |
| 21:07.56 | josephscott | ~lart google |
| 21:07.56 | ibot | slaps a compatible dib on google's head |
| 21:08.23 | mindjuju | whats wrong with google/.' |
| 21:08.47 | josephscott | it's going to force me to create yet another google account in order to access one of their services |
| 21:08.54 | josephscott | instead of just using my existing one |
| 21:09.04 | josephscott | I think this makes 4 or 5 accounts now |
| 21:09.05 | mindjuju | that sucks! |
| 21:09.14 | josephscott | even though I only want one, the others were forces |
| 21:09.16 | josephscott | forced |
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| 21:09.56 | SunSparc | josephscott: What service? |
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| 21:10.10 | mindjuju | and now there are 5 of these multiverses with alternate josephscotts |
| 21:10.18 | josephscott | web site optimizer, but it is tied into adwords |
| 21:10.48 | josephscott | mindjuju: one of them probably has a goatee and is evil |
| 21:11.20 | mindjuju | evil josephscott |
| 21:11.23 | mindjuju | hmm, scary! |
| 21:17.07 | TuxToaster | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 21:17.07 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that DexterTheDragon is stuck to the floor |
| 21:17.16 | TuxToaster | in retaliation for the earlier gauntlet attack. |
| 21:41.55 | josephscott | goooooooooglllllllllllllle! (shatner style) |
| 21:41.57 | josephscott | ~lart google |
| 21:41.57 | ibot | puts google into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of google's hair of |
| 21:42.51 | mindjuju | KKKHHHHHAAAAANNNNN! |
| 21:45.51 | josephscott | mindjuju: http://www.khaaan.com/ |
| 21:46.20 | fungus | I finally got the transition message for my google apps account. Now my google apps account behaves like a real Google account. |
| 21:46.39 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:46.45 | mindjuju | that's awesome jospehscott |
| 21:46.51 | josephscott | ~lart google accounts |
| 21:46.51 | ibot | runs at google accounts with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 21:47.23 | josephscott | my frustration runs deep with google accounts, forcing me to create duplicates, ug |
| 21:47.28 | SunSparc | Job Posting: http://www.authenticjobs.com/jobs/6647 |
| 21:50.03 | josephscott | SunSparc: they want a master of front end design and systems design? good luck |
| 21:51.21 | josephscott | this job description makes no sense |
| 21:51.31 | josephscott | "Architect back-end infrastructure including hosting solutions, server configuration, code libraries, database structures, domain name configuration, and security." |
| 21:51.40 | josephscott | "Basic database and SQL knowledge" |
| 21:51.47 | mgeary | ~shoot SunSparc the messenger |
| 21:51.47 | ibot | ACTION shoots SunSparc the messenger in the eye with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 21:51.47 | josephscott | those two don't go together |
| 21:52.07 | josephscott | if you want the first, then the second isn't an option, they need to know more than the basics of DB |
| 21:52.31 | mindjuju | ah, unrealistic expectations |
| 21:52.34 | mindjuju | got to love them |
| 21:52.45 | josephscott | sorry SunSparc, this problem google has been so ticked, taking it out an irc |
| 21:52.59 | josephscott | see, I can't even type :-) |
| 21:53.35 | josephscott | "Ability to multi-task" <--- some one hasn't read the studies that show humans stink at multi tasking |
| 21:54.23 | josephscott | on the up side, http://elikirk.com/ uses WP ;-) |
| 21:54.27 | fungus | josephscott, that means they have no project manager and rarely meet deadlines |
| 21:54.28 | mindjuju | actually, i'd say we do really well at multitasking |
| 21:54.37 | mindjuju | i breath and have my heart beating at the same time |
| 21:54.42 | mindjuju | and i can do that whilst running |
| 21:54.51 | mindjuju | which is coordination of muscles, bones, etc |
| 21:54.54 | josephscott | but can you also chew gum while doing all that? |
| 21:55.00 | fungus | mindjuju, true, but your brain can't multitask very well |
| 21:55.08 | mindjuju | that is my brain doing that |
| 21:55.12 | fungus | the body can, but not so much with the mind |
| 21:55.32 | SunSparc | heh |
| 21:56.01 | SunSparc | ~soothe josephscott |
| 21:56.01 | ibot | ACTION exerts a calming influence on josephscott |
| 21:56.10 | mgeary | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTwASnQ3S6Y |
| 21:56.50 | mindjuju | how did i miss that this one mgeary? |
| 21:57.04 | mindjuju | no wonder i did so badly in biology |
| 21:57.32 | josephscott | we've the DVD |
| 21:57.42 | mgeary | well, i *was* Science Sterling Scholar for my high school... |
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| 22:01.11 | mgeary | i won't |
| 22:01.28 | mindjuju | dag! we didn't want to talk to him any way! |
| 22:01.55 | SunSparc | punk |
| 22:08.21 | mindjuju | the autonomic system is run by medulla oblongata? |
| 22:08.21 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 22:08.21 | ibot | takes a big bite out of josephscott's jugular vein |
| 22:08.43 | unum | so lets say I wanted to allow someone to download a file that wasn't in the document root...... |
| 22:08.48 | mindjuju | i always thought medulla was what run the heart, lungs, etc |
| 22:08.51 | unum | is there a way to do that through php |
| 22:09.12 | mindjuju | ~wiki medulla oblongata |
| 22:09.12 | josephscott | the php process still needs perms to it |
| 22:10.11 | unum | that's fine, I'm just want to handle access to it through php |
| 22:10.18 | unum | php has access to the file |
| 22:10.49 | josephscott | reading the file and outputting it to the browser should work fine then |
| 22:11.05 | fungus | passthru() works good for that |
| 22:11.07 | unum | there we go |
| 22:11.12 | unum | ah thanks |
| 22:11.32 | josephscott | yep, almost list a PHP dev had that exact usage in mind :-) |
| 22:11.38 | josephscott | s/list/like/ |
| 22:11.39 | fungus | or fpassthru() i meant |
| 22:11.53 | unum | that looks better :) |
| 22:12.13 | fungus | heck or even a simple readfile() |
| 22:12.56 | josephscott | make sure to send the right HTTP headers back for the content type and such |
| 22:13.19 | fungus | totally. see the examples in http://php.net/readfile |
| 22:13.41 | unum | I saw that function right after I asked |
| 22:14.23 | josephscott | I love the PHP docs |
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| 22:14.59 | fungus | yup, best part of php |
| 22:18.54 | unum | I agree |
| 22:22.31 | unum | we don't need no stinkin ftp server |
| 22:31.50 | mindjuju | look mommy, i'm playing with IP tables! |
| 22:41.50 | carmony | mindjuju: good luck |
| 22:42.18 | josephscott | haha http://www.flickr.com/photos/laserbread/5120267747/in/photostream/ |
| 22:46.26 | mindjuju | twas a small change, but went well |
| 22:47.14 | josephscott | sigh |
| 22:47.35 | mindjuju | first time i've seen josephscott spittin' mad |
| 22:48.06 | josephscott | first google and their foolish forced multiple account policy |
| 22:48.24 | josephscott | now another big co that appears to be unable to read a spec and decided to just make it up as they went along |
| 22:48.37 | josephscott | instead of, you know, following the spec |
| 22:49.14 | josephscott | not so much mad as amazingly disappointed, you'd expect big co's with smart people to do so much better |
| 22:51.02 | carmony | I wish there was a way I could say on my mac "Do not put any memory for this application in VM" |
| 22:53.07 | josephscott | carmony: how is your C? |
| 22:53.17 | carmony | my C? |
| 22:53.23 | josephscott | the programming language |
| 22:53.27 | carmony | lol |
| 22:53.45 | carmony | I think my previous answer still works for that answer then |
| 22:53.45 | carmony | :P |
| 22:53.59 | josephscott | there are system calls to ask the kernel not to swap a process |
| 22:54.12 | josephscott | but doing so is almost always a bad idea |
| 22:54.19 | carmony | yeah |
| 22:54.24 | carmony | .... |
| 22:54.30 | josephscott | the OS generally has to choices, swap or kill the process |
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| 22:54.40 | carmony | :P |
| 22:54.56 | josephscott | carmony: just configure a server with no swap |
| 22:55.20 | josephscott | or is the a GUI app that is a concern? |
| 22:55.52 | carmony | Its my own laptop |
| 22:55.59 | carmony | its getting really sluggish |
| 22:56.14 | josephscott | if so, have you tried nice? Give it top priority and hope the kernel will keep it in memory |
| 22:56.23 | josephscott | carmony: the one with 8GB of RAM? |
| 22:56.41 | carmony | no, just 4GB |
| 22:56.48 | carmony | my 8GB upgrade had bad ram |
| 22:56.49 | carmony | sending it back |
| 22:56.58 | josephscott | you could just stop using netbeans ;-) |
| 22:57.23 | josephscott | my laptop has 3GB and I don't have a problem with swap |
| 22:57.33 | carmony | I'm tempted to roll back and use netbeans 6.9 instead of 6.9.1 |
| 22:59.32 | mindjuju | so josephscott, did you say that automattic is running nginx + PHP ? |
| 22:59.43 | josephscott | carmony: there's always this http://cestdelamerde.com/archives/22-Killing-Mac-OS-X-Swapping-How-To-Disable-dynamic_pager.html |
| 22:59.54 | mindjuju | or why is it i remember you saying something about having used nginx and liking it a whole bunch? |
| 22:59.56 | josephscott | mindjuju: yep, not every where yet |
| 23:00.08 | josephscott | I do like nginx |
| 23:00.16 | josephscott | nginx + php-fpm |
| 23:00.30 | mindjuju | 'm just looking at |
| 23:00.30 | mindjuju | http://interfacelab.com/nginx-php-fpm-apc-awesome/ |
| 23:03.06 | josephscott | mindjuju: it is easier to setup now |
| 23:03.20 | mindjuju | i'll have to look for a tut |
| 23:03.21 | josephscott | ubuntu 10.10 comes with all the packages you need to get it going |
| 23:03.28 | mindjuju | i'm on centos |
| 23:04.13 | josephscott | haven't looked for centos packages, they may have something similar |
| 23:05.03 | josephscott | mindjuju: http://rob.olmos.name/?p=68 ? |
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| 23:10.10 | mindjuju | thx for the post josephscott, i think i'll start up a VM and try this out! |
| 23:10.54 | josephscott | I haven't played with centos, so I don't know what sort of gotchas there might be, but in general for PHP sites, I really like nginx + php-fpm |
| 23:11.19 | TuxToaster | ugh. CentOS. hehe |
| 23:12.03 | josephscott | nginx is just all around awesome |
| 23:12.09 | josephscott | even for non-PHP sites |
| 23:12.21 | josephscott | we use it for a caching layer as well on WordPress.com |
| 23:12.55 | josephscott | some nifty nginx plugins for memcached as well |
| 23:13.21 | josephscott | Apache can likely provide the same abilities, but nginx tends to be much more efficient resource wise |
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| 23:25.38 | mindjuju | so when downloading centos, i'm seeing 8 CDs |
| 23:25.40 | mindjuju | is that right? |
| 23:25.49 | mindjuju | http://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/CentOS/5.5/isos/x86_64/ |
| 23:29.55 | mindjuju | hmm, maybe i'll download it at school |
| 23:30.41 | macnewbold | you probably don't need them all |
| 23:31.40 | mindjuju | well, if that's the case, maybe i'll just get 2, 5, and 8 |
| 23:32.03 | josephscott | don't they have just an install CD? |
| 23:32.20 | mindjuju | they have a LiveCD and they have a DVD torrent |
| 23:32.32 | mindjuju | but if you want the 64-bin, it's 8 pieces |
| 23:32.35 | josephscott | I'd imagine the livecd supports doing an install |
| 23:32.37 | mindjuju | http://mirrors.xmission.com/centos/5.5/isos/x86_64/ |
| 23:32.44 | mindjuju | prolly |
| 23:32.53 | josephscott | CentOS-5.5-x86_64-LiveCD.iso |
| 23:33.16 | josephscott | or CentOS-5.5-x86_64-netinstall.iso |
| 23:33.48 | mindjuju | what's that? |
| 23:34.18 | josephscott | a small CD image that does enough to start the install, then sucks down the packages needed over the wire |
| 23:34.28 | josephscott | used to do the same thing on a floppy for freebsd |
| 23:37.05 | mindjuju | well, got to go learn some math |
| 23:37.10 | mindjuju | see you gents later |
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