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| 04:04.01 | DexterTheDragon | ~rlart |
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| 05:42.10 | herlo | give up |
| 05:42.19 | herlo | it makes it easier now :) |
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| 15:06.00 | mindjuju | greets all |
| 15:06.06 | mindjuju | anybody know an online survey taker |
| 15:06.10 | mindjuju | free and good? |
| 15:06.20 | herlo | surveymonkey iirc |
| 15:06.34 | mindjuju | yeah, survey monkey coo, but limits to 100 responses |
| 15:06.36 | mindjuju | i need moar |
| 15:06.46 | herlo | oh |
| 15:06.51 | herlo | how many do you need? |
| 15:07.07 | herlo | can you not pay for moar? |
| 15:07.37 | mindjuju | i guess |
| 15:07.41 | mindjuju | it's on Tron 2 |
| 15:07.47 | mindjuju | so its a UTOS thing |
| 15:08.16 | mindjuju | i don't see it as a frequent use though |
| 15:08.32 | mindjuju | i personally don't like surveys nor take them unless they offer some fantabulous thing |
| 15:09.40 | mindjuju | josephscott, didn't you do an online survey once |
| 15:09.44 | mindjuju | here like 2 months ago? |
| 15:10.00 | josephscott | what sort of survey? |
| 15:10.09 | josephscott | oh, automattic runs one :-) |
| 15:10.12 | josephscott | polldaddy |
| 15:10.25 | mindjuju | oh that's what it was, yeah, i remember you sending something out that had a poll on it |
| 15:10.39 | josephscott | http://polldaddy.com/ |
| 15:11.08 | mindjuju | bummer, free limited to 100 |
| 15:12.05 | mindjuju | pay $5 for a one time only, survey capped at 1,000 responses, might be a good business stream for surveymonkey? |
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| 15:15.42 | mindjuju | booyah! you gots to go with the flow |
| 15:16.53 | herlo | hehe |
| 15:17.39 | herlo | mindjuju: I am supposed to go to a preview on Thursday night, have tix and everything. |
| 15:17.43 | herlo | of Tron Legacy |
| 15:18.03 | mindjuju | that's freakin' awesome! i stopped by toys r us and got hooked up with some cool toys |
| 15:18.13 | herlo | I'm probably not going to be able to go, it's only a 20 minute preview, and it's at Jordan Landing |
| 15:18.26 | herlo | might you want them?? |
| 15:20.12 | herlo | mindjuju: ^^ |
| 15:21.19 | mindjuju | sorry, hng on, i'm in the zone writing up some quick text coordinating for tron2 |
| 15:21.30 | mindjuju | UTOS survey should launch here in a few minutes |
| 15:21.33 | mindjuju | by 10a fo sho |
| 15:21.59 | herlo | cool |
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| 16:01.03 | mgeary | anyone here used Moodle much? |
| 16:01.15 | herlo | a little a long time ago |
| 16:01.26 | herlo | probably not enough to help these days though... |
| 16:01.56 | fungus | Not a user, but I run a server with it installed. |
| 16:02.04 | mgeary | yeah, same here |
| 16:02.27 | mgeary | the client is asking about a case where a user cannot post to a forum. Not even sure where to look to influence that |
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| 16:14.01 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 16:14.01 | ibot | puts orsonj through a wood chipper |
| 16:17.20 | carmony | ~lart josephscott |
| 16:17.20 | ibot | hits josephscott with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 16:17.51 | romanovic | creepy... |
| 16:19.21 | carmony | lol |
| 16:19.26 | carmony | josephscott: how was las vegas? |
| 16:19.42 | josephscott | wordcamp was good |
| 16:19.50 | josephscott | casino reeks of smoke though |
| 16:19.54 | josephscott | gave me a headache |
| 16:21.00 | mindjuju | @josephscott - http://tinyurl.com/utos-tron2 |
| 16:22.43 | josephscott | mindjuju: I'd probably count as two votes, would likely make it a date night with my wife |
| 16:28.20 | carmony | mindjuju: my wife would come with me :) |
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| 16:35.13 | mindjuju | @carmony, we are a weird lot |
| 16:36.51 | carmony | lol, well, the problem was her first real time coming to UTOS and hanging out was the 2009 UTOSC Geek Dinner, and we got there late, so the table we finally got sat at were really nice people, but uber FOSSy and the conversation was even over my head a lot of the time. |
| 16:37.08 | carmony | so that kinda set her expectation of what all UTOS events are like :P |
| 16:40.23 | mindjuju | ah |
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| 16:41.39 | josephscott | tell her my wife will be there, she isn't techie either |
| 16:44.16 | supernovia | where? |
| 16:45.34 | mindjuju | tron 2 |
| 16:47.16 | carmony | hehe, I will :) |
| 16:50.57 | mindjuju | you going supernovia? |
| 16:51.11 | supernovia | I'm planning on it |
| 16:51.17 | supernovia | ;) |
| 17:01.11 | mindjuju | @supernovia, i've got to find an educational reason so that Corban can go, maybe career day? |
| 17:01.20 | supernovia | :- |
| 17:01.22 | supernovia | :-D |
| 17:01.33 | supernovia | What timing were we after? |
| 17:02.09 | mindjuju | 12:01a i'm thinking |
| 17:02.24 | mindjuju | first viewing, though if we have enough votes, we could rent theater and make our own time, IIRC |
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| 17:07.23 | supernovia | alas, now I can't get apache to start. rebooting for the heck of it |
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| 17:11.00 | supernovia | (since my last attempt at getting postgres working required a reboot) |
| 17:29.39 | SunSparc | mindjuju: My answer to the Tron 2 survey depends on the date. What date will it be? |
| 17:30.22 | SunSparc | Although, either way, it would be hard to say "no" and forgo an increase in coolness. |
| 17:33.06 | PoeticIntensity | any luck, supernovia ? |
| 17:33.14 | supernovia | Yah I got it finally |
| 17:33.20 | PoeticIntensity | right on. |
| 17:33.23 | supernovia | :) |
| 17:34.00 | supernovia | just trying to figure out how cake does things now |
| 17:40.56 | josephscott | the cake is a lie |
| 17:41.07 | PoeticIntensity | nope... this cake is *very* real. :) |
| 17:41.10 | PoeticIntensity | and I LOVE it. |
| 17:41.39 | SunSparc | ~CakePHP++ |
| 17:42.02 | PoeticIntensity | ~CakePHP++ |
| 17:44.02 | supernovia | darnit. I would have eaten a real lunch too but I'm trying to schedule with an out of town friend. Ah well. |
| 17:44.10 | supernovia | PoeticIntensity: I'm gonna come over and pester you |
| 17:45.05 | mgeary | ~pester PoeticIntensity |
| 17:45.06 | ibot | PoeticIntensity: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? see http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf |
| 17:45.23 | mgeary | ~django PoeticIntensity |
| 17:46.04 | josephscott | ~PHP++ |
| 17:46.21 | mgeary | meh. PHP 5.3 has me completely nonplussed |
| 17:51.04 | josephscott | what was wrong with 5.3? |
| 17:51.22 | josephscott | I mean they left out some stuff I wanted, and did a few odd/dumb things, but hey, it's PHP :-) |
| 17:56.26 | mgeary | well, namespaces tipped me over the edge, i think |
| 17:56.46 | mgeary | that combined with my attraction to python/django |
| 17:56.53 | josephscott | yeah, I don't know why they went that route with namespaces, others had proposed more reasonable approaches previously |
| 17:57.32 | josephscott | mgeary: did you see http://www.slideshare.net/zeeg/djangocon-2010-scaling-disqus ? |
| 17:57.42 | josephscott | here is the video - http://python.mirocommunity.org/video/1886/djangocon-2010-scaling-the-wor |
| 17:58.00 | mgeary | i didn't |
| 17:58.16 | mgeary | early django was indeed difficult to scale up, though |
| 17:58.56 | mgeary | but in my 14 years of internet development, i've only had 2 applications that needed more than one webserver to run, and i know they've been adding infrastructure to facilitate scaling better |
| 18:00.33 | josephscott | they still maintain their own custom patches to core django to make it work for them |
| 18:01.32 | josephscott | I think we are over 400 now for wordpress.com |
| 18:07.38 | ninnypants | josephscott: that's for media and databases mostly correct? |
| 18:07.48 | josephscott | mostly web servers |
| 18:08.32 | josephscott | all the servers for WPCOM that do different things, plenty more than that |
| 18:08.40 | josephscott | dozens of DB servers |
| 18:09.37 | josephscott | probably over 100 memcached servers now |
| 18:09.37 | mgeary | did you ever see the presentation by the Flickr folks at DjangoCon? That was interesting |
| 18:10.20 | josephscott | no |
| 18:12.27 | mgeary | josephscott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Fr65PFqfk |
| 18:12.55 | josephscott | cal is a smart guy |
| 18:15.47 | josephscott | "all but 100 web sites are not one of the top 100 web sites" |
| 18:28.09 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:28.20 | mgeary | ~premature |
| 18:28.20 | ibot | ACTION "Premature Optimization is the root of all evil!" |
| 18:29.29 | mindjuju | so mgeary |
| 18:29.43 | mgeary | ? |
| 18:30.04 | mindjuju | i just got paid from a client, but he's just given me a straight up CC instead of a check, trying to figure out how to charge it |
| 18:30.10 | mgeary | aha |
| 18:30.16 | mindjuju | prolly paypal, i'm thinking |
| 18:30.23 | mgeary | well, first of all, you should ask for about 3% more, since you're going to get slapped with some fees |
| 18:30.33 | mgeary | unless you're willing to just let that go |
| 18:30.38 | mindjuju | yeah, $25 at paypal i'm seeing |
| 18:30.51 | mindjuju | 3.1% fee |
| 18:31.08 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:31.30 | josephscott | mindjuju: you should totally build one of these - http://devour.com/video/epic-hot-wheels-track/ |
| 18:31.54 | mgeary | i've never received funds from paypal, so i don't know much about the details there. We have a merchant account now, so we can do cc txns directly, but the 3% fees still apply |
| 18:32.16 | josephscott | could also use square |
| 18:32.22 | josephscott | similar fees though |
| 18:32.25 | mindjuju | i wonder if i should go back and ask for a check |
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| 18:32.37 | mindjuju | though having cold hard cash today... |
| 18:32.39 | mindjuju | could be nice |
| 18:32.52 | mgeary | yep. that's the trade-off |
| 18:36.53 | mindjuju | that's pretty funny josephscott |
| 18:37.13 | mindjuju | @mgeary, i think i'll look at paypal or check, thx for listening |
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| 18:54.57 | mindjuju | so josephscott, you got time for a mysql question? |
| 18:55.12 | josephscott | sure, what's up? |
| 18:55.17 | mindjuju | i'm asking you directly, cause of a comment you made once, though anybody can respond |
| 18:55.41 | mindjuju | but it seems like some time ago, you were talking about speeding up mysql |
| 18:56.06 | mindjuju | and if i remember right, i thought i heard you say that putting the database files on a faster drive sped up the db |
| 18:56.13 | mindjuju | did i understand correctly? |
| 18:56.35 | mindjuju | so, i'm guessing you're meaning the .myd files etc where mysql stores |
| 18:59.08 | fungus | mindjuju, yes, very much so. Don't forget about the .MYI files as well |
| 18:59.16 | fungus | and any innodb files if you use them. |
| 19:00.03 | mindjuju | so fungus, i have a fusionIO drive in 3 partitions, 1 partition i've mounted as /var/www |
| 19:00.17 | mindjuju | this second partition, i was thinking of mounting as the dir where mysql stores its files |
| 19:00.21 | fungus | Though before spending big bucks there are other things you can do too |
| 19:00.29 | fungus | like query cache tuning, etc. |
| 19:00.52 | fungus | wow, fusionIO. |
| 19:01.10 | fungus | yeah, you could just mount it at /var/lib/mysql |
| 19:01.26 | mindjuju | yup, that's the dir, i was just going to query to see what the path was again |
| 19:02.05 | mindjuju | stop mysql daemon, temp mount fusionIO partition, cp the files over, update fstab, reboot |
| 19:02.08 | mindjuju | nirvana |
| 19:02.13 | fungus | If you run low on space, you could move the /var/www back to spinning disk and assign it back to mysql |
| 19:02.32 | fungus | the db benefits more from fast disk than web root |
| 19:02.48 | fungus | unless you serve lots of large files |
| 19:03.40 | fungus | temp mount, rsync data over, stop mysql, rsync again, unmount both, mount fusion to /var/lib/mysql, start mysql |
| 19:03.52 | mindjuju | well, i've got 3 partitions, one that is 100G, one that is 58G and one that is 9G |
| 19:04.21 | mindjuju | sorry, one too many 0's that's 10G |
| 19:04.23 | mindjuju | not 100 |
| 19:05.01 | fungus | If you've got room for both on it, great, but remember db has priority for fast disk. |
| 19:05.03 | josephscott | hehe, fusionIO from regular HD, that is a big jump |
| 19:05.14 | herlo | just a little :) |
| 19:05.44 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:05.57 | josephscott | fungus is right, what ever is eating up the most IO, put it on your fastest device |
| 19:06.00 | mindjuju | mysql is getting the lion's share of the fusionIO |
| 19:06.04 | josephscott | which is the fusionIO thing in this case |
| 19:08.18 | fungus | mindjuju, no reboot needed. and by doing initial rsync before shutting down mysql you can reduce downtime. |
| 19:11.20 | mindjuju | so fungus, should i update fstab and just leave it as mount until the system needs to restart? |
| 19:11.45 | fungus | yes, don't forget fstab, otherwise you will be sad at next reboot. :) |
| 19:12.09 | herlo | indeed! |
| 19:15.54 | SunSparc | josephscott: That was one sweet Hot Wheels track. |
| 19:15.59 | josephscott | mount should give a notice when called without an entry in fstab |
| 19:16.39 | josephscott | the hot wheels wild ride :-) |
| 19:20.07 | fungus | mount only complains about missing fstab entry when run as non-root |
| 19:21.12 | herlo | josephscott: it's the other way around. If the disk or mount point don't exist, 'mount -a' would then complain |
| 19:22.45 | josephscott | I wasn't looking at that problem, I was trying to address the issue of forgetting to put a new mount point in fstab |
| 19:23.09 | josephscott | mount -a mounts everything in fstab, so by definition it wouldn't care if an entry in fstab was missing |
| 19:24.18 | herlo | josephscott: I saw would, not should in your previous statement, my error |
| 19:24.59 | herlo | but my next question is how would mount know that there *should* be an entry in fstab? That's assuming that you want everything that's mounted in fstab? I think not.... |
| 19:26.05 | josephscott | the better safe that sorry policy |
| 19:26.24 | carmony | lol |
| 19:26.27 | carmony | https://www2.ultirecruit.com/ARU1000/jobboard/JobDetails.aspx?__ID=*8B9FD1B9078F9E3C |
| 19:26.35 | carmony | looks like they are still trying to fill that position at ARUP |
| 19:27.10 | carmony | after a year of being open they've reposted it and dumbed down some of the requirements |
| 19:28.57 | josephscott | monitors are so heavy any more "Must be able to lift 10 pounds" |
| 19:29.09 | josephscott | those types of requirements use to be 40 pounds :-) |
| 19:29.57 | carmony | heh, yeah |
| 19:30.48 | herlo | carmony: was that the job you were applying for?? |
| 19:31.04 | carmony | yeah, though previously the requirements were a lot higher |
| 19:36.54 | carmony | http://zendcon.com/timetable -- lol, they seem to have mislabeled their NoSQL lectures |
| 19:44.48 | mindjuju | i'll have to try that, i like shepherd pie |
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| 21:50.19 | mindjuju | DtD -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPFpcKm0B7U&feature=youtu.be&a |
| 21:50.27 | mindjuju | AMAZING |
| 21:51.03 | mindjuju | tron legacy music vid, looks legit |
| 21:53.15 | mindjuju | oh man |
| 21:53.25 | josephscott | http://devour.com/video/derezzed-by-daft-punk/ |
| 21:53.43 | josephscott | haha, just linked to that as well |
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| 22:59.45 | mindjuju | who has fiddy cents i can borrow? |
| 22:59.58 | mgeary | ~mbp mindjuju |
| 22:59.58 | ibot | ACTION puts another nickel in mindjuju's "Get a MacBook Pro" jar |
| 23:00.05 | SunSparc | mindjuju: do you take plastic? |
| 23:00.10 | mindjuju | k, who has 45 cents |
| 23:00.18 | mindjuju | hmm, i don't think the machine takes CC |
| 23:00.34 | SunSparc | plastic is the only currency I carry these days |
| 23:00.40 | mindjuju | i should see about installing linux so that i could pay from paypal and have it auto-drop a tasty shnack |
| 23:00.50 | mindjuju | yeah, same, that's why i need some coinage |
| 23:01.49 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Here is what you do. Take your plastic down to Costco. Buy your snacks in bulk. Hide the in your office. Then you never have to visit that coin hungry machine agai. |
| 23:02.46 | mindjuju | i could do that, but i don't really want a steady supply of snacks, this is just one of those one off events where i'm starved and in hunter-gather mode |
| 23:03.00 | mindjuju | i did have a ready supply of rice cakes, but i have consumed those |
| 23:03.04 | SunSparc | Then the box of snacks will last you a year. |
| 23:06.06 | mgeary | i've got Hot Tamales, Reeses, and Milk Duds |
| 23:06.44 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 23:13.33 | mgeary | but i disagree with SunSparc. CostCo is good for many things, but somehow i'm not crazy about their selection of snacks |
| 23:14.48 | SunSparc | To each his own. |
| 23:15.03 | SunSparc | They have some great mixed nuts and fruits. |
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