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| 15:38.17 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 15:38.17 | ibot | whacks cycokilr with the cluebat |
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| 15:52.08 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Meeting tomorrow! 7pm@CG, Lessons Learned from High Traffic Campaigns | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 15:52.56 | carmony | ~rlart |
| 15:52.56 | ibot | slaps mgeary upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 15:53.14 | carmony | I think that is a new one |
| 15:55.11 | DexterTheDragon | ~whaleslap carmony |
| 15:55.11 | ibot | ACTION beats carmony upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:55.21 | carmony | gasp |
| 15:57.27 | josephscott | ~fire DexterTheDragon |
| 15:57.27 | ibot | ACTION cusses DexterTheDragon out, "that's one screw-up too many, DexterTheDragon!". ibot grabs DexterTheDragon by the scruff of the neck and bodily heaves him out the window into a nearby dumpster. |
| 15:58.09 | DexterTheDragon | "bodily heaves"? |
| 15:58.24 | josephscott | better than a full body heave |
| 15:58.31 | supernovia | Wow that's a .. pretty big heave I suppose |
| 15:58.31 | mgeary | hey, look, if YOU want to (re)write the actions, be my guest |
| 16:01.17 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 16:01.17 | ibot | flings poo at cedwards |
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| 16:07.29 | josephscott | some unsanitary larts there ibot |
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| 16:35.28 | carmony | wow... going over our server costs for DDNA.... and its amazingly expensive our two dedicated servers |
| 16:39.41 | josephscott | carmony: shopping around? |
| 16:39.56 | carmony | yeah, and thinking about ditching physical servers all together |
| 16:40.56 | thebigdog | i like virtual (linode) that i can increase/decrease at will |
| 16:42.14 | carmony | well I've been using rackspace cloud and liking it |
| 16:43.37 | carmony | the big thing is we have a few pieces of DDNA that are architected poorly and required beefy servers to handle the abuse |
| 16:44.01 | carmony | but if we change the storage of the match scores to its own system |
| 16:45.03 | carmony | and moved our user photos off to a S3 type of storage |
| 16:45.08 | carmony | then I think we could move to virtual |
| 16:45.21 | carmony | then we could actually set up a load balancer |
| 16:45.36 | carmony | and two web servers |
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| 16:46.34 | josephscott | nothing wrong with full physical servers, as long as the line up with your requirements |
| 16:46.49 | josephscott | same for virtual instances |
| 16:46.52 | carmony | yeah, I wouldn't mind physical if I had a dedicated sys admin team |
| 16:47.12 | josephscott | just that virtual instances have more variance that you have to take into consideration |
| 16:47.18 | carmony | yup |
| 16:47.33 | josephscott | carmony: you still need to admin virtual instances as well |
| 16:47.53 | josephscott | I mean you don't drive down to the DC to admin your current servers do you? |
| 16:47.58 | carmony | yeah, but its a lot easier to admin them then waiting on a darn data center to lose my server |
| 16:48.32 | josephscott | true :-) |
| 16:48.34 | carmony | LT has "misplaced" a server twice now |
| 16:48.49 | josephscott | haha, oh the stories we could tell ;-) |
| 16:50.07 | josephscott | ~lart LT |
| 16:50.07 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on LT |
| 16:50.17 | josephscott | spot on ibot, spot on |
| 16:50.23 | carmony | haha |
| 16:51.15 | josephscott | sad that there are still things in ancient VMS more advanced than many of todays Unix systems |
| 16:52.11 | carmony | like what? |
| 16:53.53 | josephscott | versioned files |
| 16:54.21 | josephscott | DEC made some awesome stuff back in the day |
| 16:55.21 | josephscott | 64bit unix and CPUs? DEC had that out in production in 96 |
| 16:56.00 | carmony | wow |
| 16:57.13 | josephscott | the firmware on alphas were awesome |
| 16:58.10 | carmony | yeah, I missed that whole scene |
| 17:00.22 | josephscott | vms file system also support 64bit time |
| 17:01.23 | josephscott | and clustering that actually worked |
| 17:01.46 | carmony | was it because things were more simple and basic then? |
| 17:01.48 | josephscott | in the late 80s |
| 17:02.24 | carmony | Yeah, in the late 80s... I was... well... learning to read :P |
| 17:02.33 | josephscott | I don't think I'd call it more simple |
| 17:03.28 | josephscott | the clustering system VAX had support fully distributed reads and writes, so multiple servers in the cluster could access the same disk and file at the same time |
| 17:03.47 | josephscott | s/support/supported/ |
| 17:03.57 | carmony | cool |
| 17:04.53 | josephscott | today I recommend avoiding NFS like the plague |
| 17:05.38 | carmony | lol, yeah |
| 17:14.57 | unum_ | I think NFS is what's causing our server to hang sometimes |
| 17:15.14 | unum | but that is pure speculation |
| 17:16.28 | carmony | man, there are times where I learn about new things on Linux, and then I can't imagine how I lived without them before |
| 17:17.04 | carmony | like screen |
| 17:17.10 | carmony | I figured out how to use it a few months ago |
| 17:17.13 | carmony | now I use it all the time |
| 17:17.20 | josephscott | screen rulez |
| 17:18.41 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: if only there was a local linux users type group that you could goto and learn new linux things..... |
| 17:18.52 | carmony | lol! |
| 17:18.52 | carmony | ok |
| 17:18.58 | carmony | when is the next OALUG? |
| 17:19.13 | DexterTheDragon | next tuesday |
| 17:19.17 | carmony | what time? |
| 17:19.48 | DexterTheDragon | 7:30 Weber County Main Library |
| 17:19.56 | carmony | ok, I'll be there :) |
| 17:20.20 | carmony | I think Joanna might come and hang out in the library |
| 17:20.41 | carmony | she is such a book worm its not funny |
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| 18:15.40 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
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| 18:16.13 | SunSparc | hands, even. |
| 18:17.15 | josephscott | ~rlart |
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| 18:36.53 | herlo | quiet day for uphpu |
| 18:37.32 | herlo | you guys haven't talked for nearly 10 minutes :) and over an hour ago it was nothing for almost an hour... |
| 18:38.26 | DexterTheDragon | they all went to the apple store to buy the new Air |
| 18:38.33 | herlo | lame |
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| 18:42.54 | josephscott | I could go for a macbook pro that didn't have a built in optical drive |
| 18:43.08 | josephscott | I rarely use the optical drive, would be fine for it to be external |
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| 19:47.02 | thebigdog | josephscott: i agree thy should add me external connectors instead of the optical drive...i would love about 4 more usb ports |
| 19:48.21 | mgeary | i feel like i'm partially deaf |
| 19:50.10 | SunSparc | what? |
| 19:51.09 | herlo | mgeary: maybe you are |
| 19:51.19 | SunSparc | ~deaf mgeary |
| 19:51.40 | josephscott | ~hearing-aide mgeary |
| 19:52.38 | SunSparc | ~lart mgeary |
| 19:52.38 | ibot | smacks mgeary up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 19:52.44 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:53.58 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:54.01 | SunSparc | smart |
| 19:54.06 | josephscott | ~hide mgeary |
| 19:54.07 | ibot | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers mgeary with it so that nobody can see what mgeary is doing! |
| 19:54.11 | SunSparc | mindjuju: has his finger on the trigger |
| 20:11.50 | mgeary | any Mac Skype users here? Can you all confirm that you *never* hear your own voice through the earphones when talking? (and that there's no way to do it) |
| 20:14.41 | SunSparc | Anyone else install it yet? I want to try calling someone. |
| 20:23.12 | macnewbold | mgeary: i use it a little, you could try calling me if you want to test |
| 20:24.28 | mgeary | macnewbold: i use it fairly frequently, but i just got a new headset, and while i generally like it, the fact that the headphones go completely over my ears (which i like) makes so i can't hear my own voice well when i'm conversing |
| 20:24.57 | mgeary | i'm trying to see if there's a way to mix the audio in from the microphone with the audio from the other Skype participant(s) |
| 20:25.25 | macnewbold | mgeary: are you not sure what you're saying? |
| 20:25.35 | macnewbold | or just like to hear yourself talk? |
| 20:25.48 | mgeary | i end up talking too loudly. it's just a comfort issue |
| 20:25.51 | macnewbold | ah |
| 20:26.33 | macnewbold | i've got a pair of skullcandy G.I. headphones that have a similar issue - i can't hear myself much |
| 20:30.42 | romanovic | mgeary: i was on a skype call a couple minutes ago (pc), i can't hear myself on my computer either |
| 20:30.53 | romanovic | but i'm new to skype, i haven't played around with the settings yet |
| 20:31.04 | romanovic | dunno the difference between pc/mac versions |
| 20:33.20 | romanovic | i use skype on my ipod as well, i can't hear my own voice on that platform either |
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| 20:42.54 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Boozer looks sad wearing the cone of shame. |
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| 20:50.20 | thebigdog | mgeary: my skype works great |
| 20:50.29 | thebigdog | i think that it is just you |
| 20:51.06 | thebigdog | just use vento and you should be good |
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| 21:26.01 | mgeary | thebigdog: never heard of vento |
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| 21:30.25 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 21:30.26 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples ChanServ's foot to the floor |
| 21:31.13 | josephscott | no doubt ChanServ deserved it |
| 21:31.37 | SunSparc | That's for the last netsplit |
| 21:50.28 | thebigdog | mgeary: http://www.ventrilo.com/ you need the server though |
| 21:50.46 | mgeary | meh |
| 21:52.52 | herlo | but then I'd have to pay for a Mac which is overpriced to begin with |
| 21:53.18 | herlo | video chat on google is much better than most i've seen, though I wish it had more features for sure |
| 21:58.00 | SunSparc | herlo: Good point ;) |
| 21:59.16 | josephscott | ~lart herlo for talking smack about the Steve |
| 21:59.16 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to herlo, and goes postal for talking smack about the Steve |
| 21:59.25 | josephscott | ;-) |
| 21:59.38 | mgeary | ~stevejobsify herlo |
| 21:59.38 | ibot | ACTION drags herlo by the scruff on the neck and plants him front row center of an Apple presentation at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address, until herlo's eyes glaze over and he calms down (and starts wearing turtlenecks) |
| 22:03.00 | herlo | lol |
| 22:03.32 | herlo | you guys all know that the Mac love is just fanboyism :) |
| 22:03.53 | herlo | SunSparc: I'll take it |
| 22:04.15 | SunSparc | No using it non-Apple stuffz ;) |
| 22:04.22 | SunSparc | That works |
| 22:04.23 | herlo | toobad |
| 22:04.28 | unum | back to php after a few weeks in perl and c++ land..... |
| 22:04.43 | DexterTheDragon | ~ontopic unum |
| 22:04.48 | herlo | SunSparc: what is it you do for a living again?? |
| 22:05.17 | SunSparc | Web dev, hosting, IT. |
| 22:05.24 | SunSparc | Currently |
| 22:05.25 | herlo | ahh, cool |
| 22:05.47 | SunSparc | Though I would love to get into astrophysics or linguistics... |
| 22:06.13 | herlo | getting paid for that is a bit *harder*, no? |
| 22:06.28 | SunSparc | Yes :) |
| 22:06.39 | SunSparc | Hence the current line of work. |
| 22:06.45 | herlo | indeed |
| 22:06.59 | herlo | but you could write some software for it... |
| 22:07.08 | SunSparc | Very true |
| 22:07.37 | SunSparc | Programming can certainly be fun and fulfilling in it own way. |
| 22:07.44 | carmony | I just had a great idea for an open source project |
| 22:08.02 | orsonj | do I have to sign an NDA? |
| 22:08.26 | herlo | orsonj: haha |
| 22:08.27 | carmony | for the open source project? :P Of course not |
| 22:08.37 | herlo | carmony: what is it? |
| 22:08.57 | SunSparc | Build a bunch of robots to take over the world? |
| 22:09.04 | carmony | Well, I was thinking about how I could do better documentation as I code |
| 22:09.25 | carmony | there is PHPDoc for PHP |
| 22:09.41 | carmony | and its nice and all for quick dirty docs |
| 22:09.45 | herlo | SunSparc: if they were open source, at least we could fix their bugs |
| 22:09.54 | SunSparc | Good call |
| 22:10.07 | orsonj | yeah! Open source terminators |
| 22:10.12 | herlo | w00t! |
| 22:10.14 | carmony | but any major pieces of documentation sucks to document |
| 22:10.18 | carmony | in PHPdoc |
| 22:10.30 | herlo | in most tools |
| 22:10.39 | mgeary | ~mbp herlo |
| 22:10.39 | ibot | ACTION puts another nickel in herlo's "Get a MacBook Pro" jar |
| 22:10.45 | carmony | Also, large chunks of phpdoc sucks to read |
| 22:10.57 | herlo | w00t! |
| 22:11.19 | carmony | but, what if you built a web 2.0-ish documentor that makes it easy to read your phpdocs |
| 22:11.22 | carmony | but also write them |
| 22:11.28 | herlo | $.35 :) |
| 22:13.07 | carmony | so it would be a simple php tool you could drop into your environment |
| 22:14.41 | unum | so like a wiki? |
| 22:14.54 | orsonj | So, http://www.woot.com/ $2.99 +$5.00 shipping = $8 Altec Lansing Noise Reduction Headset with Microphone |
| 22:14.55 | carmony | kinda, but for your code |
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| 22:15.15 | unum | so live a code repository? |
| 22:15.18 | orsonj | dang, that went fast |
| 22:15.19 | josephscott | please, not the wiki syntax |
| 22:16.06 | unum | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Documentation-Done-Right.aspx |
| 22:16.17 | unum | I mostly agree with that |
| 22:21.10 | herlo | i like it carmony |
| 22:22.35 | josephscott | I like the php.net docs allowing comments, allows the site admins to cherry pick the best comments to make them part of the official doc text |
| 22:22.53 | josephscott | what I didn't like was their URL changes |
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| 22:28.45 | carmony | I hate wiki syntax |
| 22:29.45 | josephscott | ~karma wiki-syntax-- |
| 22:29.45 | ibot | wiki-syntax-- has neutral karma |
| 22:29.55 | josephscott | I think I did that wrong |
| 22:30.27 | DexterTheDragon | ~karma wiki |
| 22:30.27 | ibot | wiki has neutral karma |
| 22:39.50 | stderr | ~wiki-syntax-- |
| 22:40.02 | stderr | ~karma wiki-syntax |
| 22:40.02 | ibot | wiki-syntax has karma of -1 |
| 22:50.14 | ninnypants | SunSparc: yeah he's pretty beat up and has to stay in a kennle for a while but is doing pretty good |
| 22:50.38 | SunSparc | That is good. |
| 22:50.57 | SunSparc | We had to keep our cat in a cone for a week. Miserable for the cat and for us. |
| 22:51.11 | ninnypants | but yeah the cone of shame seems to depress most dogs |
| 22:51.21 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 22:51.29 | SunSparc | Well and it is heavy. |
| 22:51.40 | ninnypants | what happened toy your cat? |
| 22:52.03 | SunSparc | I don't remember exactly. I think he got an eye virus or something. |
| 22:52.12 | SunSparc | Pinkeye maybe |
| 22:52.47 | thebigdog | i love watching animals with the cone of shame on...it is hilarious |
| 22:53.03 | SunSparc | ~meanie thebigdog |
| 22:53.03 | ibot | thebigdog is so mean that all the stouteriks, cattivos and mechants of the world run the other way, screaming for their lives |
| 22:53.10 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:53.19 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:53.20 | ninnypants | you don't happen to be in need of a giant litterbox do you? I ended up with 3 and don't have a cat |
| 22:53.22 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:54.12 | SunSparc | Nope :) Thanks though |
| 22:54.20 | mgeary | ~hate cats |
| 22:54.20 | ibot | Hey mgeary, ,,|, |
| 22:54.29 | SunSparc | LOL!!! |
| 22:54.30 | mgeary | right back atcha, ibot |
| 22:55.01 | herlo | mgeary: it's okay, I'm not much of an animal person myself |
| 22:55.06 | ninnypants | ibot must be a cat lover |
| 22:56.16 | herlo | ~hate onions |
| 22:56.16 | ibot | Hey herlo, ,,|, |
| 22:56.21 | herlo | nope |
| 22:59.10 | ninnypants | ~hate hate |
| 22:59.10 | ibot | Hey ninnypants, ,,|, |
| 22:59.53 | TuxToaster | or it just refuses to hate anything |
| 23:14.43 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 23:14.43 | ibot | offers carmony some herring |
| 23:14.53 | josephscott | ibot that was pretty weak |
| 23:36.57 | mgeary | ~literal hate |
| 23:36.57 | ibot | "hate" is "<reply> Oh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar. --Drew Carey" |
| 23:37.06 | mgeary | ~literal hate $1 |
| 23:37.06 | ibot | Hey mgeary, ,,|, |
| 23:37.32 | mgeary | ~literal hate <action> |
| 23:37.32 | ibot | Hey mgeary, ,,|, |
| 23:37.36 | mgeary | bah |