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| 00:24.49 | SunSparc | Night all! |
| 00:38.34 | supernovia | maybe I'll just whip up a burned pizza instead |
| 00:40.36 | influx | Now I have to read it. |
| 00:40.43 | influx | burned pizza is good pizza |
| 00:43.02 | influx | Crud. I just broke the script and I'm not sure what it is that I did. |
| 00:43.43 | supernovia | that's always fun |
| 00:43.55 | influx | A learning experience, for sure. |
| 00:43.56 | influx | :D |
| 00:44.28 | supernovia | indeed :) |
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| 01:09.49 | supernovia | Success. I hope. |
| 01:17.55 | ninnypants | hola supernovia |
| 01:18.43 | supernovia | hola ninnypants |
| 01:18.54 | supernovia | que tal? |
| 01:18.57 | herlo | ninnypants: hi! |
| 01:19.03 | supernovia | hi herlo :) |
| 01:19.07 | herlo | supernovia: hi!! |
| 01:19.09 | ninnypants | hey herlo |
| 01:19.13 | supernovia | :-D |
| 01:19.34 | supernovia | How are the shirts coming? :-D |
| 01:19.42 | supernovia | Thanks for the extra ! :-D |
| 01:20.23 | ninnypants | I pulled all the sizes this afternoon printing in the am :) |
| 01:21.05 | supernovia | sweet |
| 01:21.09 | supernovia | what brand are these, ninnypants? |
| 01:21.56 | supernovia | (different brands size differently) |
| 01:22.02 | ninnypants | gildan |
| 01:22.15 | supernovia | OK |
| 01:22.25 | ninnypants | all mens sizes though |
| 01:22.31 | supernovia | yah |
| 01:22.32 | ninnypants | are you going to UTOSC? |
| 01:22.52 | supernovia | A men's medium American Apparel is about the same as a Gildan XS |
| 01:23.08 | supernovia | ya |
| 01:24.02 | supernovia | but of course |
| 01:24.19 | herlo | ninnypants: sounds liek fun! |
| 01:24.52 | supernovia | ditto |
| 01:25.14 | herlo | w00t! |
| 01:25.26 | herlo | supernovia: so you approve of the location? :D |
| 01:25.39 | supernovia | Mm, sure. I've never been there |
| 01:25.41 | ninnypants | yeah I'm not sure how much I'll be up for though I have a lot more free time now |
| 01:25.55 | supernovia | Oh yah? |
| 01:26.04 | ninnypants | I try not to go out much either |
| 01:26.06 | herlo | ninnypants: I read that... |
| 01:26.18 | ninnypants | yeah it was actually costing me money |
| 01:26.21 | ninnypants | it was weird |
| 01:26.29 | supernovia | that is bad :-T |
| 01:27.00 | supernovia | are you gonna do your own thing for a while? |
| 01:27.15 | ninnypants | yeah and the stock they were gonna give me for working for free was only 3750 worth for full time no matter how long it lasted |
| 01:27.39 | herlo | ninnypants: so where you going to go work?? |
| 01:27.43 | ninnypants | yeah think so I was doin pretty good freelancing and I'm gonna start that shelterpress thing |
| 01:27.55 | herlo | ah, nice! |
| 01:28.14 | herlo | ninnypants: I am going to start up hack days again, at least one week per month |
| 01:28.25 | ninnypants | nice! |
| 01:28.30 | herlo | ninnypants: in fact, next week is the first week. Need to figure out a location |
| 01:28.33 | supernovia | I'm gonna send you as much work as you can take, ninnypants :) |
| 01:28.38 | ninnypants | I'll have to try to make it |
| 01:28.52 | herlo | ninnypants: 4 hours every day of hacking and working on issues |
| 01:28.54 | ninnypants | supernovia: awesome! have you heard from manny lately? |
| 01:28.58 | herlo | probably could make it, ninnypants |
| 01:29.07 | herlo | supernovia: that'd work |
| 01:29.08 | supernovia | Ah, no I haven't. Have you? |
| 01:29.20 | supernovia | oh you're saying Hack DAY. |
| 01:29.31 | herlo | well, time for the UTOS standup in #utos |
| 01:29.40 | herlo | supernovia: yeah, 4 hours each day for a week |
| 01:29.43 | herlo | one time a month |
| 01:29.44 | supernovia | I'm thinking hack NIGHT. Ah. |
| 01:29.47 | herlo | get some real work done |
| 01:29.53 | herlo | no, hack nights are done for |
| 01:30.00 | supernovia | ya> |
| 01:30.08 | supernovia | s/>/?/ |
| 01:30.20 | supernovia | alas. |
| 01:30.28 | ninnypants | supernovia: nope I emailed him after you told me he was still needing help but he never replied |
| 01:31.01 | supernovia | I told him what he was asking for was doable but extremely cumbersome and expensive and he would regret it |
| 01:31.31 | ninnypants | yeah I told him that too |
| 01:31.31 | supernovia | asked him what his bottom line was (sales, of course) and said that maybe he should find another option that would work better. |
| 01:32.17 | supernovia | I guess if you built a full custom cart it'd be doable, but that would be more expensive than he'd want to pay, too |
| 01:32.20 | ninnypants | Yadzinki has been keeping me pretty busy though I need to get back with him I've been slacking off since I started that talespring thing |
| 01:32.54 | supernovia | yah, he's a good one to get back with asap |
| 01:33.05 | ninnypants | yeah it wouldn't make sense for the customer to do it that way anyway. What happens when they want to buy 2 items? :) |
| 01:33.38 | supernovia | (herlo, the guy wanted every product to have it's own separate checkout) |
| 01:33.45 | herlo | whee! |
| 01:33.49 | supernovia | For real. |
| 01:33.51 | herlo | sounds like lots of fun |
| 01:34.25 | supernovia | anyway, I'm glad for you ninnypants :) stock options for startups w/out initial pay = poo. |
| 01:34.31 | ninnypants | It'd be a good project to have hourly :) |
| 01:34.34 | supernovia | at least most of the time. |
| 01:35.03 | ninnypants | yeah the guy called me this afternoon saying they were gonna try to figure out a way to pay me |
| 01:35.17 | supernovia | after you quit? |
| 01:35.24 | ninnypants | not sure if I want to work for them though |
| 01:35.31 | ninnypants | yeah after I quit |
| 01:35.56 | supernovia | I have a startup I poured a ton of work into .. 6 years ago. haven't seen a dime :-( |
| 01:36.15 | supernovia | and I did an excellent job with my part, too, but the others didn't |
| 01:36.27 | ninnypants | the solar pannel one? |
| 01:36.30 | supernovia | ya |
| 01:37.15 | supernovia | I did a fairly crappy site for another, non-competing (almost sister) solar company and got paid for _that_ at least |
| 01:37.30 | ninnypants | that's good |
| 01:37.31 | supernovia | (they knew about it) |
| 01:37.52 | supernovia | that site still looks horrendous but they're successful |
| 01:38.16 | ninnypants | that's good :) |
| 01:42.09 | supernovia | I hope so too. Good luck with that. |
| 01:42.55 | supernovia | Oh yah! My company -might- be getting me a smart phone ⦠happy days! |
| 01:42.57 | ninnypants | got some good ones in mind? |
| 01:43.03 | ninnypants | sweet! |
| 01:43.28 | supernovia | I have some ideas. I'd have to browse around a lot more though to make sure no one else has done them (or at least not well). Wouldn't want to rip off peoples ideas. |
| 01:44.39 | ninnypants | I'll traid you an android app for a site design :) |
| 01:44.55 | ninnypants | *trade |
| 01:45.13 | supernovia | hehe |
| 01:45.27 | supernovia | Well, I'll tell you what I'm telling everyone who is asking for a design right now: |
| 01:45.50 | supernovia | Get your site up and going (and I don't even have to sell you on WordPress, yay!) add the content you're going to want |
| 01:45.53 | supernovia | and the plugins you're going to need |
| 01:46.12 | supernovia | and organize it the way you want to .. then call me about the design and I'll see what I can do :) |
| 01:47.02 | ninnypants | heh :) ok I'll have to build the plugin first :) |
| 01:47.17 | supernovia | Perfect :) |
| 01:47.57 | supernovia | Alright guys, time for some TNG (thanks @beandog for letting me borrow the discs!) have a good night! |
| 01:48.57 | ninnypants | later supernovia :) |
| 01:49.59 | supernovia | oh, clarification on the "sell you on wordpress" thing in case the ppl who accuse me of being a fanboygirl are listening: I recommend wp for peeps who don't know how to get their own content up. You can put it up however you like it. I just like working with actual content. The end. :) |
| 01:50.45 | supernovia | (and WP makes getting the content up easy.) Okay. Pushing the Engage button now.. see yas. |
| 01:51.38 | influx | heh |
| 01:52.15 | influx | Man, unless the client ends up saying otherwise, I'm done with this project. |
| 01:52.38 | influx | Coding just about every single waking hour since Friday afternoon. |
| 01:53.00 | influx | I |
| 01:53.11 | influx | I'm so glad he's approved of everything so far. |
| 01:54.34 | ninnypants | that's awesome! |
| 01:54.58 | influx | ^______^ |
| 01:55.21 | influx | And now, I pwn n00bs. |
| 02:04.17 | herlo | lol |
| 02:04.20 | herlo | influx|MW2: hey |
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| 04:38.19 | carmony | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh |
| 04:38.29 | carmony | sorry, standard carmony outburst |
| 04:38.35 | carmony | heh, a SCO |
| 04:38.41 | carmony | Standard Carmony Outburst |
| 04:38.49 | carmony | sorry, I'll stop ranting to myself :P |
| 04:39.00 | herlo | lol |
| 04:39.08 | supernovia | Rant heart |
| 04:39.14 | herlo | carmony: you are entertainign |
| 04:39.18 | supernovia | s/heart/heard/ |
| 04:39.40 | carmony | talking with a developer about having him help with a project |
| 04:39.55 | supernovia | ya? |
| 04:40.21 | carmony | yeah, well, he used to be my old boss |
| 04:40.23 | carmony | so interesting |
| 04:40.53 | supernovia | sounds complicated |
| 04:41.53 | supernovia | (hiring your former boss, I mean. Socially complicated.) |
| 04:42.07 | carmony | well, I was a Jr Dev then too |
| 04:42.16 | carmony | now I'm kind of the Senior Architect |
| 04:42.25 | carmony | and telling him "Here is how we are going to do it" |
| 04:42.30 | carmony | so interesting |
| 04:42.34 | carmony | but he is a good guy |
| 04:42.42 | carmony | so it isn't bad :P |
| 04:42.55 | carmony | Just I normally have my outbursts when on a long conference call |
| 04:43.07 | supernovia | Just.. yah. Baaaaaaahhhd right? |
| 04:43.23 | supernovia | I have thankfully never had to hire my old boss. |
| 04:43.47 | supernovia | but I know once, when I had to fire my neighbor's husband... |
| 04:44.10 | supernovia | and here I'd been a teenager running around the neighborhood through most of their marriage.. that .. was really weird. and bad |
| 04:44.39 | supernovia | and I thought heaven help me if I ever end up in a position of reversed authority ever again |
| 04:47.20 | supernovia | (I was his boss for a long time too, and he wouldn't listen because I really WAS just a kid. Oy.) |
| 04:52.30 | ninnypants | supernovia: sounds interesting |
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| 04:54.36 | supernovia | what font are you trying to match? |
| 04:54.56 | supernovia | or, got a graphic sample I mean? I might be able to help |
| 04:55.20 | ninnypants | http://caws.org |
| 04:55.24 | ninnypants | the font in the logo |
| 04:56.20 | ninnypants | found it http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/roycole/colophon/90-bold/ |
| 04:57.45 | supernovia | cool |
| 04:58.17 | ninnypants | yeah have you ever used the myfonts.com font identifyer? |
| 04:58.40 | supernovia | yeah :) but I like to try without first ;) |
| 05:02.01 | ninnypants | yeah me too I just have way too many font to do it my usual way at this time of night :) |
| 05:07.28 | ninnypants | supernovia: how well does this match the logo on the caws site http://ninnypants.com/images/caws_logo.jpg |
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| 05:28.07 | mindjuju | i knew my patience would pay off |
| 05:28.25 | supernovia | How'd you do on your test, mindjuju? |
| 05:28.41 | mindjuju | pretty well, but i missed a simple question |
| 05:28.45 | mindjuju | simplequestionFAIL |
| 05:28.49 | supernovia | oh sorry ninnypants, didn't see your note (I've been sucked into blog comments!) |
| 05:28.59 | supernovia | which class is this again? |
| 05:29.11 | mindjuju | where are passwords stored in linux i picked /etc/passwd not /etc/shadow |
| 05:29.13 | mindjuju | i sux |
| 05:29.24 | mindjuju | info something or other |
| 05:29.28 | mindjuju | intro to sys admin |
| 05:29.35 | supernovia | oh yeah |
| 05:29.39 | supernovia | who's your teach? |
| 05:29.50 | mindjuju | Dr. Stanley |
| 05:29.53 | supernovia | ninnypants: it needs kerning |
| 05:30.21 | supernovia | spacing between the C and A doesn't match the space between the A and W |
| 05:30.31 | mindjuju | man, i wish i would have though of this for weding invite |
| 05:30.32 | mindjuju | SELECT es.session_id ,es.program_name ,es.login_name ,es.nt_user_name ,es.login_time ,es.host_name ,es.cpu_time ,es.total_scheduled_time ,es.total_elapsed_time ,es.memory_usage ,es.logical_reads ,es.reads ,es.writes ,st.text FROM sys.dm_exec_sessions es LEFT JOIN sys.dm_exec_connections ec ON es.session_id = ec.session_id LEFT JOIN sys.dm_exec_requests er ON |
| 05:30.44 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 05:31.01 | supernovia | lol |
| 05:31.28 | ninnypants | supernovia: yeah I had to find a random font that looked close |
| 05:31.41 | mindjuju | DtD |
| 05:31.44 | mindjuju | you around? |
| 05:31.51 | ninnypants | I just want to make some small buttons for fun so it's no biggie |
| 05:33.06 | supernovia | heck, sometimes when I have to res up peoples logos, I'll fix what they should have done with kerning in the first place :-p |
| 05:34.10 | mindjuju | supernovia, i figured out what i'm going to do for Halloween being on sunday, ?? Hand out candy on Sunday or trick or treat ?? which is answered mainly by the fact we always have Sunday dinner at F-I-L |
| 05:34.19 | ninnypants | heh :) it's mine that's messed up theirs is good |
| 05:34.41 | ninnypants | supernovia: you're assuming I have permission to make the buttons :p |
| 05:35.23 | mindjuju | posted to fb -> I'm going to leave a box of computer parts for children to take |
| 05:35.39 | supernovia | Nice! :) |
| 05:35.40 | mindjuju | saves on parental fears about posion candy + get's out of my basement |
| 05:35.47 | mindjuju | win-win |
| 05:35.53 | supernovia | No one comes to my apt on Halloween |
| 05:36.09 | supernovia | and my kids aren't gonna be home either. Alas. |
| 05:36.12 | ninnypants | I think I only got 3 last year |
| 05:36.17 | herlo | mindjuju: you are funny man |
| 05:36.33 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 05:36.54 | mindjuju | i better run and put that frame grabber by my backpack so that it actually goes with me tomorrow |
| 05:36.58 | supernovia | I gave a whole bag of candy to the one kid who showed up |
| 05:37.29 | supernovia | I could do that again :) |
| 05:37.34 | herlo | mindjuju: nice! I think I got it working btw, need to double check it tomorrow |
| 05:37.34 | supernovia | have a good night mindjuju! |
| 05:37.57 | mindjuju | by the way, if DtD shows up, tell him Left for Dead bundle is $10 on steam |
| 05:38.02 | mindjuju | cyal! |
| 05:38.10 | ninnypants | I tend to eat more candy than I give out |
| 05:44.23 | supernovia | I try not to. I wish I could. |
| 05:44.49 | supernovia | me and my girly metabolism :-T |
| 05:47.15 | ninnypants | yeah I should probably be better I'm not fat but I'm certainly not as fit as I used to be :) |
| 06:14.54 | supernovia | I gotta go. Have a good night, guys! |
| 07:33.05 | influx|MW2 | herlo: Sorry. What's up. |
| 08:24.50 | influx|MW2 | Going ot bed. |
| 08:25.01 | influx|MW2 | s/Going to bed./Going ot bed. |
| 08:25.04 | influx|MW2 | blah |
| 08:25.06 | influx|MW2 | whatever. Later. |
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| 15:36.43 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 15:36.43 | ibot | throws optikal's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 15:36.50 | SunSparc | mean |
| 15:36.54 | SunSparc | ~morning |
| 15:36.54 | ibot | Good morning! |
| 15:36.56 | optikal | what the |
| 15:36.59 | optikal | How dare you! |
| 15:37.04 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:37.19 | optikal | :( |
| 15:37.47 | optikal | Although my doggy is not very little... http://optikal.org/akasha/hiking.jpg |
| 15:38.03 | SunSparc | Cute little booties. |
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| 15:38.18 | SunSparc | We used to have a German Shepard. |
| 15:38.25 | optikal | heh. She always manages to cut up her pads so she had to get doggy shoes |
| 15:39.00 | SunSparc | I like them. Makes her look hard core. |
| 15:40.26 | optikal | That's because she is hardcore... http://picasaweb.google.com/optikal801/MtTimpanogos#5515051432740620738 ;) |
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| 16:20.53 | mindjuju1 | yo supernovia |
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| 16:25.07 | mindjuju1 | wps, you around? |
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| 16:38.55 | mindjuju | just as a kind reminder, our very own josephscott is presenting at UTOS conference on the Anatomy of PHP, and there are several other PHP presentations |
| 16:38.58 | mindjuju | utosc.com! |
| 16:39.12 | josephscott | :-) |
| 16:40.43 | DexterTheDragon | ~dtdhit mindjuju |
| 16:40.43 | ibot | ACTION stikes at mindjuju with the vulgar dragon technique causing a very bad flesh wound! |
| 16:46.30 | herlo | mindjuju: you should post about that like matt harrison did about python :) |
| 16:46.42 | herlo | ['p0 |
| 16:46.44 | herlo | p]oiiiiiiiiiipppppppppppi |
| 16:46.46 | herlo | ik |
| 16:46.48 | herlo | kjiio0-= |
| 16:46.50 | herlo | that's AJ |
| 16:46.54 | herlo | :P |
| 16:47.28 | SunSparc | Cat? |
| 16:47.48 | mindjuju | k, im' back |
| 16:47.58 | mindjuju | post to fb or post to twitter, cause i alwaready did |
| 16:48.14 | mindjuju | twitter that is |
| 16:48.16 | mindjuju | DtD |
| 16:48.25 | mindjuju | where's the love |
| 16:48.50 | DexterTheDragon | its just a flesh wound |
| 16:49.11 | mindjuju | you cut me real deep! |
| 16:49.28 | mindjuju | did you guys see the fight over the new Gap design? |
| 16:49.28 | mindjuju | http://www.matdolphin.com/blog/2010/10/06/bridging-the-gap/ |
| 16:51.53 | mindjuju | @herlo, what time you going to be there at? |
| 16:52.02 | mindjuju | and what time they going to kick us out? |
| 16:53.39 | herlo | mindjuju: each day? |
| 16:53.48 | mindjuju | today |
| 16:54.02 | herlo | prepping now |
| 16:54.14 | mindjuju | i'll see about leaving here around 4p to get up there |
| 16:54.24 | herlo | they'll kick us out at 10pm, but I plan to stay and do wiring until we're done... |
| 16:54.38 | mindjuju | do i need to bring anything |
| 16:54.44 | mindjuju | crimper? line tester? |
| 16:57.49 | herlo | sure |
| 16:58.26 | mindjuju | do we need anything else? fishing tape? |
| 17:02.13 | herlo | no |
| 17:02.33 | herlo | but we can buy whatever else... |
| 17:28.32 | SunSparc | supernovia: I am enjoying Marian Call. Thanks for the intro. http://www.thesixtyone.com/mariancall |
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| 18:16.15 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 18:16.16 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on optikal and turns optikal into a brick |
| 18:48.48 | DexterTheDragon | man ibot has just been rough on optikal lately |
| 18:51.12 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 18:51.12 | ibot | holds mindjuju1 to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 18:51.25 | josephscott | ~chuckfact |
| 18:51.25 | ibot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
| 18:59.54 | redroy | ha |
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| 19:18.17 | mindjuju1 | so poeticintensity, you have the power to cause hail? |
| 19:18.34 | mindjuju1 | and your claling down the hail now? and over where is this hail failing? |
| 19:19.05 | poeticintensity | all my enemies. |
| 19:19.16 | poeticintensity | softball-sized pellets, my man... |
| 19:19.25 | poeticintensity | YOu DON'T want to mess with that hail. |
| 19:19.26 | poeticintensity | :) |
| 19:22.24 | poeticintensity | hehe.... |
| 19:22.27 | poeticintensity | how you doin', mindjuju1 ? |
| 19:22.37 | mindjuju1 | kickin' it; i keeps it real |
| 19:39.33 | beandog | mindjuju1, I totally want some of your computer parts |
| 19:39.48 | beandog | mindjuju1, plus, I have some you could put on your doorstep too |
| 19:39.50 | mindjuju1 | come get some! |
| 19:44.45 | carmony | so, everyone going to UTOSC this year? hrm? hrm? :P |
| 19:44.59 | mgeary | i'm sending two people, but can't get away myself |
| 19:48.08 | josephscott | carmony: yep |
| 19:56.26 | poeticintensity | I'm probably going to go. It starts tomorrow, right? |
| 20:01.33 | beandog | Ooookie day |
| 20:01.48 | beandog | Is there a way to do CRUD operations thru JS |
| 20:02.02 | beandog | Im not even sure where to begin looking for something like that. |
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| 20:14.58 | mindjuju1 | @beandog, look at dojo toolkit |
| 20:15.09 | mindjuju1 | i think they do have it out-of-the-box |
| 20:15.50 | beandog | mindjuju1, kthx |
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| 20:26.04 | josephscott | beandog: extjs as well |
| 20:34.37 | beandog | josephscott, k thx |
| 20:41.45 | carmony | Other Dev: Hrm, I thought you built this. Me: No, I thought you didi. Dev: I'm pretty sure it was you. Me: No.... but let me check the source code history...... ......... ...... damn, yeah, I broke it. --- I hate it when that happens :P |
| 20:43.18 | beandog | josephscott, mindjuju1 what protocols are they using to make data requests? |
| 20:43.31 | josephscott | xhr usually |
| 20:43.37 | mindjuju1 | yup |
| 20:43.58 | josephscott | so http |
| 20:43.59 | mindjuju1 | but for a myriad of reasons + 1, mines is cooler than josephscotts! |
| 20:44.36 | josephscott | haha, I haven't looked at dojo or extjs for anything in awhile |
| 20:44.38 | beandog | xhr? |
| 20:44.44 | josephscott | xmlhttprequest |
| 20:44.56 | carmony | go ajax! |
| 20:45.09 | josephscott | ajaj :-) |
| 20:45.10 | carmony | ajax is my gaming alias now when I play CoD MW2 |
| 20:45.19 | carmony | ajaj doesn't sound cool |
| 20:45.33 | josephscott | I don't know many folks who actually transmit XML for XHRs |
| 20:45.56 | josephscott | for that matter XHR is misguided function name as well |
| 20:46.47 | carmony | haha.... I saw the other day the best-worst named function -ever- |
| 20:46.52 | beandog | How does it actually connect to the data backends though |
| 20:47.17 | mindjuju1 | by requesting xml data via http |
| 20:47.23 | carmony | $this->Awesomefy($data); |
| 20:47.28 | mindjuju1 | :) |
| 20:47.36 | josephscott | beandog: typical AJAX pattern, make HTTP request, server does some work (talked to db, cache, etc.) and then returns data |
| 20:47.40 | mindjuju1 | so, you build ya a little web page |
| 20:47.42 | beandog | Well I realize there would be an AJAX request |
| 20:47.51 | beandog | But what are you requesting from? |
| 20:48.03 | mindjuju1 | have it take params and spit out data in return |
| 20:48.09 | josephscott | not sure I understand the question |
| 20:48.17 | beandog | Where do you send the request |
| 20:48.19 | josephscott | xhr's are from the clients browser |
| 20:48.29 | influx | :) |
| 20:48.37 | mindjuju1 | (2:47:40 PM) mindjuju: so, you build ya a little web page |
| 20:48.44 | mindjuju1 | (2:48:03 PM) mindjuju: have it take params and spit out data in return |
| 20:49.22 | josephscott | beandog: jquery example, the getJSON function - http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.getJSON/ |
| 20:49.59 | beandog | Okay |
| 20:50.05 | beandog | So, yah, I've got that part down fine |
| 20:50.23 | beandog | I'm just realizing that I'm basically writing another data access layer though, to connect to my controllers |
| 20:50.28 | beandog | that seems a little wasteful to me. |
| 20:50.39 | beandog | So Im wondering if I'm missing something here. |
| 20:50.46 | beandog | I already access data, using PHP, with the MVC code |
| 20:50.56 | josephscott | building an API layer first can be helpful |
| 20:50.59 | beandog | I'm just wondering if there's a way using JS, instead. |
| 20:51.06 | beandog | josephscott, okay, I guess thats what Im getting at, then ... |
| 20:51.09 | josephscott | MVC can be a bit of a waste :-) |
| 20:51.27 | beandog | whats the approach for that ... just write customized functions for each AJAX request I might have? |
| 20:51.29 | josephscott | unless your MVC code is built on top of the API |
| 20:51.55 | josephscott | so all this might be more work than it is worth, how big of a project is this? |
| 20:52.37 | beandog | eh |
| 20:52.41 | beandog | it'll be sizable. |
| 20:53.00 | beandog | big enough that I don't wanna have to rewrite functions just so the JS can get the data as well. |
| 20:53.32 | josephscott | if you need to rewrite functions then you need a better shared library approach for your code |
| 20:53.55 | beandog | I'm not rewriting functions, I'm just duplicating effort |
| 20:53.57 | josephscott | get_my_leet_data() should be easily callable at different points |
| 20:54.14 | beandog | I have $foo_model->get_data($primary_key) that PHP can call |
| 20:54.24 | beandog | but I don't wanna write wrappers for that just because now the request is from JSON instead |
| 20:55.30 | josephscott | hence my suggestion to look at building an HTTP based API |
| 20:55.45 | josephscott | then require all interaction to go through that |
| 20:56.08 | beandog | How would that solve anything? |
| 20:56.16 | beandog | I mean, it would make stuff simpler, granted. |
| 20:56.23 | josephscott | get_data() becomes an HTTP call to http://localhost/project/api/get-data/1.0/ |
| 20:56.37 | josephscott | I thought that is what you were complaining about :-) |
| 20:56.49 | beandog | Well, no, not really |
| 20:56.57 | beandog | I just think I'm missing something here |
| 20:57.21 | josephscott | is this a home grown MVC or are you using something like cake? |
| 20:57.22 | beandog | I guess what I'm asking is, are there already libraries out there for what you described |
| 20:57.37 | beandog | josephscott, using CodeIgniter right now, but that's not set in stone. |
| 20:58.24 | josephscott | I think most of the framework systems have something in place to expose HTTP based APIs, worth checking if CI has something built in to make that easier |
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| 21:13.18 | beandog | I think I'm still lost. |
| 21:14.16 | mgeary | ~find beandog |
| 21:16.53 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 21:16.53 | ibot | smacks wps up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 21:17.49 | beandog | It seems like theres gotta be something out there to update data directly using AJAX |
| 21:18.06 | beandog | Even if you weren't using an MVC as a middle man. |
| 21:19.22 | mitchmorby | beandog, i haven't looked at it, but a quick search pulled up this ajax library for CI: http://codeigniter.com/wiki/AJAX_for_CodeIgniter/ |
| 21:22.02 | beandog | mitchmorby, thanks, but that doesn't really solve what I'm looking for. :T |
| 21:22.12 | beandog | I don't even know how to explain it. |
| 21:22.13 | beandog | fail. |
| 21:22.14 | beandog | :C |
| 21:23.12 | mindjuju1 | beandog, could you re-explain what you need, i think we're all confused |
| 21:23.29 | beandog | mindjuju1, Okay |
| 21:23.41 | beandog | Basically, I wanna do CRUD through AJAX. |
| 21:24.06 | beandog | Well, lemme try another approach. |
| 21:24.23 | beandog | What I currently have is a pretty basic MVC setup here ... and I get everything I need just fine that way |
| 21:24.35 | beandog | So, if I need to display user data, I just run $user_model->get_name($user_id) |
| 21:24.39 | beandog | Great, spanky, fantastic |
| 21:25.05 | beandog | Now, I'm developing an AJAX driven portion of the site, where I need to get data from the database, as well as update it. |
| 21:26.07 | beandog | If I wanted to use my MVC controllers, and use an AJAX request, this is the best idea I've come up with so far: |
| 21:26.39 | mindjuju1 | what MVC are you using? |
| 21:27.23 | beandog | First, create a JS function that grabs the data I need: function get_user_name(user_id); That gets the URL to send the data request to, puts the user_id and anything else I need into a JSON string, then sends the data to a controller on the mvc, something like: http://mvc/json/get_user_data |
| 21:27.58 | beandog | The controller then reads the JSON data, figures out what I need, sends a request to the model for that data, sends the data results to a view which spits it out into another JSON string format, and the original AJAX request reads that in, and now has the data. |
| 21:28.06 | beandog | Now that's simple enough. |
| 21:28.24 | unum | that reads a lot like my face book post yesterday |
| 21:28.27 | beandog | But having to write functions in the controller to handle arbitrary data requests is not what I want to do. |
| 21:28.41 | beandog | So, I'm thinking, there's gotta be a simpler way to fetch data directly using AJAX. |
| 21:29.00 | beandog | hmm, brb, I think something's on fire. |
| 21:29.12 | mindjuju1 | hmm, that makes sense to me as a question |
| 21:29.25 | mindjuju1 | what MVC framework are you using? maybe they have special provisions? |
| 21:33.46 | beandog | alright, its just the furnace. |
| 21:34.17 | beandog | mindjuju1, CodeIgniter, and I don't think so ... looking over the docs ... but I don't think I'd recognize it even if I saw it. |
| 21:34.33 | beandog | That post mitchmorby had was for an old version of CI, and didn't really explain well what it's doing. |
| 21:34.44 | beandog | But I don't care about using CI. I could use something else if, it was possible. |
| 21:35.07 | beandog | Which is why I keep wondering if there's something to do if you weren't sending the AJAX Requests to an MVC ... what else can you send it to? |
| 21:35.17 | beandog | Because it's basically the MVC where the bottleneck is. |
| 21:35.53 | beandog | Did *that* make sense that time? |
| 21:35.54 | beandog | I hope |
| 21:54.12 | mindjuju1 | sorry, i just realized it's pouring rain outside and my car window broke |
| 21:54.16 | mindjuju1 | so it's raining in my car :( |
| 21:54.29 | mindjuju1 | i'm going to split here pretty quick to see about fix |
| 21:54.49 | mindjuju1 | but, let's see, who is code ig, ah... Utah_Dave is resident code_ignetor guru |
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| 21:58.30 | herlo | mindjuju1: ping |
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| 22:26.01 | supernovia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.19 | supernovia | I actually haven't been here all day. Alas. |
| 22:26.27 | supernovia | have a good day, guys! |
| 22:26.54 | supernothere | there we go. sheesh. |
| 22:34.16 | SunSparc | That song wins for longest title. |
| 22:34.21 | josephscott | ~lart |
| 22:34.25 | josephscott | ~rlart |
| 22:34.25 | ibot | whacks mindjuju1 with a giant beaver's tail |
| 22:34.45 | herlo | wow |
| 22:34.48 | herlo | nice one josephscott |
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| 23:28.02 | supernovia | how are things going here? |
| 23:45.14 | SunSparc | Guten nacht zum alles. |
| 23:48.41 | supernovia | Who was saying the yip yip aliens were freaky? |
