| 00:01.02 | beandog | my coworker laughed at my haircut |
| 00:01.33 | supernovia | yah? |
| 00:01.51 | supernovia | I wanna see it :) |
| 00:02.48 | supernovia | I bet it's not so bad :) |
| 00:06.16 | mindjuju1 | sup DtD |
| 00:06.29 | supernovia | hey mindjuju1 |
| 00:06.42 | mindjuju1 | at desk for a couple of minutes, then have to leave desk to go do something |
| 00:06.44 | mindjuju1 | sup supernovia |
| 00:06.53 | supernovia | I gotta talk graphics w you |
| 00:07.00 | mindjuju1 | good or bad? |
| 00:07.20 | supernovia | depends on how you look at it :) |
| 00:07.38 | mindjuju1 | ah, relative |
| 00:07.45 | supernovia | It all is |
| 00:07.47 | mindjuju1 | PM? |
| 00:07.52 | supernovia | jah. |
| 00:08.48 | beandog | http://fordcomic.com/?id=28 |
| 00:08.49 | beandog | lol |
| 00:08.52 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, you gotta see that one |
| 00:09.43 | DexterTheDragon | creepy |
| 00:09.48 | mindjuju1 | funny |
| 00:09.54 | supernovia | nice :) |
| 00:10.00 | mindjuju1 | k gents, i'm out for a bit |
| 00:10.26 | supernovia | right.... |
| 00:13.58 | beandog | http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080521.html |
| 00:21.47 | supernovia | that's pretty rad, beandog |
| 00:51.47 | supernovia | alright guys. I'm gonna go. |
| 00:52.01 | supernovia | have a good night. |
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| 04:21.12 | supernovia | ~rlart |
| 04:21.12 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at jsmith |
| 04:21.31 | supernovia | darn, I was hoping it'd get mgeary again just randomly |
| 04:21.38 | mgeary | hah |
| 04:21.42 | mgeary | ~lart supernovia |
| 04:21.42 | ibot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at supernovia |
| 04:24.13 | mgeary | ~blend jsmith |
| 04:25.07 | supernovia | ibot needs a better blender :-i |
| 04:28.31 | mgeary | ~blend jsmith |
| 04:28.31 | ibot | ACTION takes jsmith and throws him/her into a Blendtec 2000 along with some onions, ketchup, zucchini, and chocolate syrup, presses the "putrify" button and serves up mindjuju's favorite: jsmith gruel |
| 04:29.10 | supernovia | :-D Lots o protein there |
| 04:50.15 | herlo | supernovia: hi |
| 05:06.49 | supernovia | oh hey herlo :) |
| 05:06.53 | supernovia | Sorry I didn't hear yas |
| 05:13.41 | herlo | supernovia: no worries |
| 05:13.51 | herlo | I'm in an out as well |
| 05:14.28 | supernovia | I'm workin on an image |
| 05:17.18 | herlo | oh? |
| 05:17.21 | herlo | is it a fun image? |
| 05:17.28 | supernovia | Yah man |
| 05:17.34 | herlo | w00t, can I see? |
| 05:17.53 | supernovia | Just doing a little cleanup / convert to 2 color of an image you've already seen ;-D |
| 05:18.06 | herlo | indeed |
| 05:18.22 | supernovia | and imagining what birds dream :) |
| 05:18.44 | herlo | worm dreams! |
| 05:18.51 | supernovia | :-D |
| 05:18.58 | herlo | because babies have bottle dreams, right? |
| 05:20.13 | supernovia | Sure |
| 05:20.39 | supernovia | 8-| |
| 05:21.58 | herlo | haha |
| 05:22.59 | supernovia | Yeah I wake up most of the time thinking "what the freak?" |
| 05:23.24 | supernovia | hehe |
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| 15:10.24 | thebigdog | morning all |
| 15:10.35 | thebigdog | i wonder how many of you agree with this article - http://bit.ly/9J6kKk |
| 15:17.38 | mindjuju1 | ~apb herlo |
| 15:17.38 | ibot | ACTION hires Beth to stake out herlo |
| 15:19.40 | herlo | mindjuju1: hi |
| 15:19.49 | mindjuju1 | herlo -> PM |
| 15:20.22 | herlo | kk |
| 15:28.47 | herlo | thebigdog: I agree with it in concept, vms are useful. Though I only scanned it, didn't read the detail... |
| 15:31.18 | thebigdog | the only issue i have is why make a whole system if you have the resources to add to soemthing you have |
| 15:31.23 | thebigdog | taking the apache example |
| 15:31.43 | thebigdog | why create a vm with the entire distro just for something like a vhost |
| 15:32.49 | herlo | thebigdog: well, there are many good reasons, but vms can be tuned for sure, so I kind of get you there... |
| 15:33.37 | thebigdog | sometimes i see a lot of people jumping on that for something like just apache |
| 15:33.48 | thebigdog | nto sure i would create a whole new vm to run a vhost |
| 15:33.54 | thebigdog | and perhaps a db |
| 15:34.06 | thebigdog | unless i was using solaris with zones |
| 15:34.22 | thebigdog | then i dont have to have a whole new distro installed |
| 15:34.37 | herlo | thebigdog: I would |
| 15:34.46 | thebigdog | and why would you do that? |
| 15:34.48 | herlo | specifically because I can just focus on making apache efficient within Linux |
| 15:34.56 | herlo | no other services would matter |
| 15:35.10 | herlo | so I could builld a trimmed down system that focuses only on those things I need |
| 15:35.37 | thebigdog | ok i can see that |
| 15:35.40 | herlo | plus, it's sooooo simple and with 6 or 7 vms on a box, I can have a whole infrastructure of components on isolated individual machiens |
| 15:36.06 | thebigdog | individual vms you mean? |
| 15:36.14 | herlo | yes |
| 15:36.20 | herlo | but all on one big server |
| 15:36.30 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 15:36.31 | herlo | so each of them runs in a larger vm container |
| 15:36.35 | thebigdog | and they are nice to migrate too |
| 15:36.38 | herlo | which then you can manage |
| 15:36.51 | herlo | right, migration is a very powerful argument for this as well |
| 15:37.15 | thebigdog | sometimes i guess i see that they just install a similar distro and go to town with no thoughts |
| 15:37.23 | herlo | we used physical systems for one purpose at Backcountry, but we also had a ton of vms that we could migrate at a moments notice |
| 15:37.24 | thebigdog | i guess that is where i get my hang up sometimes |
| 15:37.47 | herlo | indeed, but that's why they call us sysadmins and the rest just hobbyists |
| 15:37.47 | thebigdog | now did you have a solution for backup and migration of the vms |
| 15:37.48 | herlo | :P |
| 15:37.54 | herlo | thebigdog: yes |
| 15:37.56 | herlo | netapp |
| 15:38.05 | thebigdog | oh |
| 15:38.22 | herlo | but i personally would use kvm or openvz with a backend SAN |
| 15:38.31 | herlo | both are very sane and very efficient |
| 15:38.47 | herlo | in fact, you may wish to look at openvz because it is so repeatable |
| 15:39.07 | thebigdog | yeah openvz i think is amazing |
| 15:39.13 | thebigdog | i love the concept behind it |
| 15:39.23 | thebigdog | we use solaris and have the zones and they rock |
| 15:39.35 | thebigdog | but i have not used it with linux so i need ot check that out |
| 15:40.07 | thebigdog | what do you like about kvm over something else like vbox? |
| 15:41.00 | herlo | vbox seems weaker to me |
| 15:41.08 | herlo | but that's just because of who's backing what |
| 15:41.23 | thebigdog | ok so the company behind it |
| 15:41.30 | herlo | RH is backign both KVM and Xen, and now vbox is an Oracle thing |
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| 15:41.39 | herlo | thebigdog: yeah, and Oracle scares me |
| 15:41.50 | herlo | total lock-in on everything they can |
| 15:43.19 | thebigdog | yeah i am not a big fan of what oracle is doing to the sun products for sure |
| 15:45.50 | herlo | thebigdog: I'd like to chat more, but I gotta teach for a bit... |
| 15:47.40 | thebigdog | no worries |
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| 16:34.20 | carmony | anyone have any recommended hosted ticket system? |
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| 16:48.20 | thebigdog | trac has one that i like |
| 16:49.06 | thebigdog | i have used osticket and it worked really good |
| 16:49.44 | thebigdog | those are the 2 that i have used a lot |
| 16:54.05 | supernovia | mindjuju1: my cell's no good here |
| 16:54.20 | mgeary | ~blend thebigdog |
| 16:54.20 | ibot | ACTION takes thebigdog and throws him/her into a Blendtec 2000 along with some onions, ketchup, zucchini, and chocolate syrup, presses the "putrify" button and serves up mindjuju's favorite: thebigdog gruel |
| 16:54.41 | mindjuju1 | supernovia, email sent or can post in PIM if needed |
| 16:55.00 | supernovia | okay, I'll check it (I don't check it constantly at work but will look) |
| 16:55.11 | mindjuju1 | thx! |
| 17:02.28 | thebigdog | mgeary: thanks |
| 17:19.47 | supernovia | reply sent! sorry that took a bit mindjuju1 |
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| 17:33.25 | fungus | carmony, RequestTracker is a great ticket system, tons of features. Not sure how good it is at tracking bugs though. |
| 17:34.16 | fungus | probably way overkill for bug tracking. |
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| 18:11.51 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 18:11.51 | ibot | DoSes ChanServ |
| 18:11.54 | mgeary | psh |
| 18:26.54 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 18:26.54 | ibot | strangles influx with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 18:27.11 | SunSparc | So violent, ibot |
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| 18:29.57 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 18:29.57 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses mgeary's head to break the homerun record |
| 18:30.22 | mgeary | ~literal rlart |
| 18:30.22 | ibot | "rlart" is "<reply> see lart $randnick" |
| 18:31.02 | mgeary | yeah, suuuuure it's random |
| 18:33.36 | SunSparc | heh |
| 18:37.25 | supernovia | hehe |
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| 19:23.37 | supernovia | http://bit.ly/cLRSva |
| 19:23.57 | supernovia | Apparently the cake is not a lie after all. |
| 19:30.15 | SunSparc | The cake is a pillow. :) |
| 19:33.41 | herlo | weird! |
| 19:33.46 | herlo | itimber: hey! |
| 19:33.49 | herlo | ninnypants: ping |
| 19:33.54 | herlo | mindjuju1: you rock! |
| 19:34.01 | herlo | utahcon: get bent |
| 19:34.25 | SunSparc | ~calm herlo |
| 19:34.25 | ibot | ACTION sooths herlo, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm herlo down. |
| 19:35.30 | herlo | ahh, I had fun with that |
| 19:36.45 | SunSparc | It was ibot, I hear she does a great massage. |
| 19:36.47 | utahcon | I am not bent! |
| 19:42.39 | herlo | utahcon: lol |
| 19:43.29 | utahcon | :D |
| 19:45.35 | itimber | herlo: sup? |
| 19:45.51 | itimber | still on for grub tonight? |
| 19:46.25 | SunSparc | itimber: which version? |
| 19:46.39 | itimber | good grub |
| 19:46.41 | itimber | :) |
| 19:47.22 | itimber | kansas city style |
| 19:47.30 | itimber | SunSparc: you in KC too? |
| 19:47.43 | SunSparc | itimber: I usually use the GNU style. |
| 19:47.55 | SunSparc | Nay, I am in Utah. :) |
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| 19:50.19 | influx | brawrrrrrr |
| 19:50.32 | influx | work work work work fo freeeeeee |
| 19:52.29 | herlo | itimber: yeah, where's at? |
| 20:19.42 | thebigdog | ~lart itimber |
| 20:19.42 | ibot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down itimber's throat until itimber puts on 150lbs |
| 20:28.51 | supernovia | I have class, though, and am helping with The Most Epic Will It Blend Evar before that |
| 20:29.20 | supernovia | so I probably won't be grubbing it up till 9pm :-T |
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| 21:13.19 | herlo | itimber_: hey, when is we getting together? Earlier is better for me |
| 21:13.43 | itimber_ | cool.... |
| 21:13.47 | itimber_ | what time you thinking? |
| 21:13.52 | herlo | 5:30ish |
| 21:13.54 | herlo | 6ish |
| 21:13.57 | herlo | somewhere in there |
| 21:14.05 | herlo | beer sounds good now |
| 21:14.23 | herlo | but I am waiting for students until 5 and then I have to doa couple things to setup. Should be done soon though... |
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| 22:14.27 | SunSparc | :0 |
| 22:14.30 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 23:21.47 | beandog | Is there some way to completely remove an element |
| 23:22.03 | beandog | not just update it to be an empty string, but remove it completely |
| 23:23.13 | SunSparc | If you put it in a parent and then change the content of that parent to "". |
| 23:23.37 | SunSparc | Probably a better way, but that is the first that comes to mind. |
| 23:23.45 | beandog | Hmm Okay |
| 23:23.48 | beandog | that might work |
| 23:25.33 | fungus | http://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+remove+element |
| 23:27.01 | mindjuju1 | hey fungus |
| 23:27.16 | mindjuju1 | i've got a friend who needs some help admining on an ubuntu server box |
| 23:27.21 | mindjuju1 | i told him about webmin |
| 23:27.39 | mindjuju1 | but now that i look at it, i think it was deprecated and not possible to install on ubuntu 10.04? |
| 23:27.56 | mindjuju1 | is there an alternative? |
| 23:28.32 | mindjuju1 | i'd just as soon as install the desktop, but it seem slike webmin had admin interface for all servers packaged into 1 thing |
| 23:29.15 | fungus | http://www.webmin.com/deb.html |
| 23:29.19 | fungus | that might work |
| 23:48.36 | beandog | webmin == awesome |
| 23:48.39 | beandog | its not deprecated |
| 23:53.20 | mindjuju1 | just not part of the ubuntu install, seems like it was a while ago |
| 23:56.53 | beandog | Oh |
| 23:57.32 | mindjuju1 | ut iv'e got it installed now for the guy |
| 23:57.41 | mindjuju1 | and it does look like its been update since i've used it |