IRC log for #uphpu on 20100928

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02:53.29herloninnypants: ping
03:28.19ninnypantsherlo: pong
03:30.21herloninnypants: pm
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04:38.50carmonyjosephscott: congrats to WP about the MSN Spaces deal :P
04:39.02josephscottthanks!
04:39.32josephscottwatching the importer stats for spaces, been a busy day for folks working on that
04:39.52carmonyheh, I can imagine
04:40.51carmonygetting a bunch of imports?
04:40.58josephscottI think that only leaves blogger as bigger than WordPress.com
04:41.23carmonyheh, which I don't care for
04:42.00josephscottit's been ramping up, I just looked at the stats again, the rate of imports increased quite a bit later in the day.  I think over the next few days when the word spreads to regular users is where we'll see the peak
04:42.45josephscottgotta get to 300M uniques/mo some how :-)
04:42.49josephscotthttp://www.quantcast.com/p-18-mFEk4J448M
04:44.55carmonyheh, yeah
04:45.29carmonyblogger has 150M it looks like
04:46.38josephscottyeah, they are big
04:46.51josephscotthttp://www.quantcast.com/top-sites-1
04:47.04josephscottthe problem with that top sites list is that it doesn't count mapped domains
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14:43.29mindjuju~apb ninnypants
14:43.29ibotACTION hires Duane Lee to stake out ninnypants
14:44.00jsmithmorning mindjuju
14:44.31mindjujumorning jsmith
14:44.37mindjujuhow's Virginia treating you?
14:44.45jsmithAs awesome as ever :-)
14:44.55jsmithLeaves are starting to turn now...
14:45.09mindjujuan awesome time in Va
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14:47.26jsmithFedora 14 beta is out today, so I'm double happy :-)
14:53.28mindjujuit's amazing the rate that Linux is maturing
14:58.45jsmithAye...
15:00.22mindjujuWhy I switched from windows to linux
15:00.59Utah_Davemindjuju: I remember you crying about your windows boxes running php
15:01.22mindjujuyeah, that's not the right way to go :)
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15:01.42herlomindjuju: I would love to have that at SLLUG sometime
15:02.15herloor PLUG
15:02.23mindjujuhey herlo, what's the name of that tshirt company again
15:02.33mindjujui googled our email / chats, but couldn't find it
15:02.42mindjujuand ninnypants, no esta aqui
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15:04.40herlosharkrobot.com
15:04.50herlomindjuju: ninnypants said he'd contact you today though
15:05.01herloI have his email iirc
15:23.12mindjujui wonder what is 1/50 the height of something that doesn't exist
15:25.20fungus0/50 = 0
15:25.36mindjujuyeah, see
15:25.40mindjujuthat's what i would think
15:25.42mindjujubut...
15:25.43mindjujuhttp://www.amazon.com/Tron-Legacy-Recognizer-Diecast-Vehicle/dp/B0042WJVVQ/ref=sr_1_18?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285685769&sr=8-18
15:25.46mindjujui want
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15:26.01mindjuju^DtD^
15:26.10mindjujusoundtrack on pre-order
15:26.44herlomindjuju: we shoudl totally do a Geek Movie Night for Tron
15:27.01mindjujutrue that
15:27.15mindjujui wasn't this excited about the new star wars
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15:27.34mindjujumaybe its the nexus of Daft Punk + Tron + N
15:29.38herlolol, maybe
15:30.24mindjujuyou know what is scary herlo
15:30.41herlomindjuju: ghosts?
15:31.57mindjujuthat's 1/50 the size of the REALLY real recognizer, which is something that exists in the OS (i'm guessing here), which is actually just electricity zipping around on a circuit
15:32.10mindjujuif that's true, then is this like 1/50 the size of an electron?
15:32.43herlomindjuju: to what are you referring?
15:33.01mindjujuhttp://www.amazon.com/Tron-Legacy-Recognizer-Diecast-Vehicle/dp/B0042WJVVQ/ref=sr_1_18?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285685769&sr=8-18
15:33.49SunSparcheh, why in the world did they put a scale in the features.
15:33.51herlo~tinyurl mindjuju
15:33.52ibotACTION runs '/exec tinyurl.sh http://maps.google.com//maps/ms?ie=UTF8&addr=mindjuju' and laughs maniacally!
15:36.03herlomindjuju: you are incredibly odd
15:36.23herlothe scale comparison :)
15:36.51mindjujubut how do you compare the physically tangible with the non-existant?
15:37.06mindjujuthat's worse than 50/0
15:37.08herlowell, I think that's my point
15:37.15herlowhy the need?
15:37.20mindjujuyou can't divide by 0, it's against the law!
15:37.27herlolol
15:37.32herloof course it isn't
15:37.33mindjujuyou could be arrested, all space time fold and bends and contorts!
15:37.35herloit's undefined
15:38.03herlowhich means you don't know what will happen, rather than knowing that you'll be arrested and space time imploding upon itself
15:38.48mindjujusomewhere, a cute kitten disappears from existance every time you try to divide by zero
15:38.55mindjuju(man, i need more sleep)
15:39.14mindjujui was actually on amazon looking for this
15:39.15mindjujuhttp://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Wireless-Lightweight-Access-Point/dp/B000RA1N6S/ref=sr_1_1?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285686964&sr=8-1
15:39.33mindjujubut it remembered from a couple weeks ago that i searched for tron and brought those other things up
15:39.58mindjujuk, back to work for me
15:42.17mgearymindjuju: woot!
15:43.00mindjujuwhat do you get for the billionth occurance?
15:43.01SunSparc~infiniteloop mgeary
15:43.15mgearymindjuju: my mind was opened to the secrets of the universe
15:43.26mgearyand i got all the Jelly Bellies i can eat
15:43.52mindjujuif that's true, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a totsie roll lollipop?
15:44.09mgeary158
15:44.32mindjuju~mgeary
15:44.32ibotmgeary is, like, Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie.  NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment
15:44.37SunSparcDepends on what you consider the center to be.
15:44.57mindjujuibot, mgeary is also has reached enlightenment
15:44.58ibotgo do something useful
15:45.05mindjujudag!
15:45.14mindjujui'll take the hint though
15:54.37mgearyhey, can anyone get into google's webmaster tools?
15:54.44mgearyi'm getting the redirect of death for 2+ days now
15:55.58mindjujuit's prolly cause of all your divide by 0 over there
15:56.33SunSparcmgeary: This one?  http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/
15:56.44mgearySunSparc: can *you* hit it?
15:56.49SunSparcyes
15:56.52mgearyhrm
15:56.58mgearynot i
15:57.21mgearymaybe i need to kill some cookies
15:57.28SunSparcIt's a trap.  Run mgeary!!!
15:57.29mgearythough it's happening across browsers :/
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15:57.43SunSparcThey found you!
15:58.20supernoviaWho did they find?
15:58.23SunSparcGot another computer around?
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15:58.39SunSparcI would be more apt to think it was your location.
15:59.20SunSparcsupernovia: "They" found mgeary and they are closing off his connections, ready to abduct him at any  moment.
15:59.33supernoviaw00t!
16:01.05mgearyheh
16:01.08mgearyi can get in over https
16:01.14mgearybut http dies
16:01.16mgearytry that, SunSparc
16:01.51SunSparcHmm, I get auto redirected to https when I visit the http address.
16:02.09SunSparcThat was probably the redirect that was messing up on you.
16:02.16mgearyyeah
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16:07.20mindjujuhi supernovia and beandog
16:07.28beandogmonin
16:07.48mindjujuamazon put tron legacy soundtrack on preorder today
16:09.08supernoviahowdy mindjuju
16:09.13supernoviag'morning beandog :)
16:09.20supernoviawoo woo!
16:12.14mindjujuwoo woo?
16:13.58supernoviaI mean about the tron legacy soundtrack (if it's good)
16:14.31mindjujuthe parts i've heard are amazingly good, even Elfman : Batman OST good
16:14.41supernoviaI freakin love Elfman.
16:15.04mindjujuhe's one of the best!
16:17.15SunSparcmindjuju: http://www.geekfilter.net/tron/2010/3/13/tron-legacy-countdown-clock.html
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16:18.36ninnypantsmindjuju: ping
16:19.00SunSparc79 days:14 hours: 41 minutes left
16:22.02supernovia79 days is so long!
16:22.45SunSparc~patience supernovia
16:26.50supernoviaso are we going to have a UPHPU tron day?
16:35.39mindjujuhi ninnypants
16:35.41mindjujuPM?
16:36.48ninnypantstron day sounds fun
16:38.35supernoviamovies are better with friends
16:48.48mindjujui'm going bonkers waiting for tron
16:55.57mindjujuwhat's inception?
16:57.12mindjuju*and yet another reason why our network is having issues, the desktop support guy decides to assign a newly launching network device an IP address that he just made up, without checking.
16:57.21mindjujuNo, i'm sure the server at that address won't mind
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16:59.33fungus~imdb Inception
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17:17.34herlomindjuju: go see inception!
17:17.37herloawesome movie
17:17.43herlomindjuju: also read in #utos
17:25.18redroyJust curious… does anyone know where to look at current browser stats for cookie enablement? I'm just trying to get data to support the use (or not use) of session.use_trans_sid
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17:26.46SunSparcredroy: depends on the browser
17:26.58SunSparcsupernovia: which one?
17:27.00mgearySunSparc: that's what he's looking for. How many browsers support it
17:27.10SunSparcmgeary: oh :)
17:27.19supernovia"One more time with feeling" - Spektor lyrics have a way of getting stuck
17:27.22mgearypenetration stats
17:30.20redroyI'm hoping to find data that supports my feelings of leaving it off… so I can sound super smart if I need too :)
17:30.47redroyseems like a really gray area though with my searching
17:31.38SunSparcIf you ask me, I could tell you that I have cookies enabled on all of my browsers.  Then you could safely report that 100% of people interviewed had cookies enabled.
17:32.38redroyha! perfect…
17:33.48SunSparc:)
17:57.12supernoviaThat's a great song :-D
17:57.28SunSparcTotally
17:57.28supernovia"Or does the water get him instead?"
17:57.36SunSparcSo clever
17:57.47josephscottBam!  Triangle man wins!
17:57.53SunSparcheh
17:58.14supernovia:-D
17:58.49jsmithWhen he's underwater, does he get wet?
17:58.55supernoviaYeah, but universe man has a watch with a minute hand, millennium hand, and an eon hand.. AND he's usually kind to smaller man.
18:11.52beandogI'm off to in n out :D
18:12.20SunSparcbeandog: Get me a double double.
18:12.58supernoviaooh lah
18:13.01supernoviacan I come? :)
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18:16.29mindjujui have yet to make it to In n Out
18:18.10supernoviaever ever?
18:18.38josephscottyuuummmm, hard to beat a good burger
18:19.24mindjuju5 guys is good
18:19.29mindjujusmash burgers was good
18:19.36mindjujunot BK good, but you know, good
18:19.44SunSparcmindjuju: They In'N'Out has some pretty tasty burgers, but so does 5 Guys.
18:20.01SunSparcBK = Burger King
18:20.18SunSparcHeh, I would put them in a different class.
18:21.24mindjujuso would i
18:21.32mindjujuBK > other guys
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18:21.54josephscottI prefer in'n'out over 5 guys
18:22.12SunSparc:) Well, I enjoy a good Whopper every now and again, but I do not think I would choose BK over the others.
18:22.34mindjujui'll have to check them out, herlo was alwasys talkign about how good they were
18:22.46SunSparcExcept on the days that they are selling the Whopper for $1.
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18:55.08herlommm, try smashbuger
18:55.14herlos/ug/urg/
18:55.22herlowhat a typo!
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19:09.17itimberhey guys
19:09.22itimberhow goezit?
19:10.43SunSparc~greet itimber
19:10.44ibotACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on itimber
19:11.13itimberhaha
19:11.20herloitimber: hulooo
19:11.21itimbermissed you too ibot
19:13.10itimberherlo, you ready for utosc?
19:13.38herloitimber: never!
19:13.44itimberhaha
19:13.45herloitimber: we always do things last minute
19:13.49herlowe'll be ready
19:13.51itimberya
19:13.57herloitimber: you excited to be there?
19:13.58itimberI believe you'll be ready
19:14.09itimberI'm in Kansas now
19:14.16itimberhaving to skip this year
19:14.18herloitimber: me too
19:14.20itimberreally bummed about it
19:14.25herloin Kansas, that is
19:14.29itimberno way
19:14.32herlobut only for the week
19:14.33itimberwhere at/
19:14.35itimber?
19:14.40herloya, Overland Park
19:14.48herlogoing to go to the KC game on Wed night
19:14.59herloitimber: what ya doing in Kansas?
19:15.01itimberno way... let's hook up!
19:15.06herloitimber: totally
19:15.08itimberliving, working, etc
19:15.09herlowhere you is?
19:15.19itimberswitching to pm
19:15.22herlokk
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19:15.57TrevynMAnyone know of a school that teaches the basics of iPhone/Android/WebOS ect?
19:16.01TrevynMor would those be separate classes?
19:16.51supernoviaisn't there a UG?
19:17.39herloUtahMobileDev Group
19:18.34TrevynMherlo: thanks.
19:19.46herloTrevynM: nw, Glen Lewis is the leader iirc
19:20.12TrevynMherlo: ok thanks
19:20.29herloyup
19:20.50TrevynMherlo: no website, no one in channel
19:25.04beandog~blame herlo
19:25.04ibotACTION blames herlo (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
19:27.06SunSparcTrevynM: Apple.com has some tutorials on how to use the iPhone
19:28.40thebigdogutahmobiledev has dried up
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19:50.53beandogOkay
19:51.01beandogIm officially going to look into jquery
19:51.47supernoviaI need to
19:51.55supernovialearn more about it, that is.
19:52.52jsmithbeandog: 'bout time :-p
19:53.15beandogSince this whole AJAX thing seems to not be going away.
19:53.26supernovia:-D
19:54.20josephscottjquery docs are pretty good
19:54.30beandogoh good
19:55.12josephscottit has user comments similar to php.net as well
19:55.56josephscottshameless plug, their docs site is powered by WordPress now :-)
19:57.57supernovia:)
19:58.57beandogthe real question is, what did they replace it with?
19:59.04beandoger, wait.
19:59.07beandogI said that wrong.
19:59.08beandogOh well.
19:59.30josephscottit used to be mediawiki I think
20:01.06supernovia:D
20:01.22SunSparcbeandog: how was your burger?
20:01.31beandogSunSparc, Im so addicted to that place
20:01.37beandogIve been there like 2x a week the past month
20:01.38SunSparcheh
20:01.40supernoviahehe
20:02.09beandogtheir shakes are good
20:02.13beandogI miss Chadders, tho. :C
20:03.52supernoviadid they have chadders where you are too?
20:04.00supernoviathey shut down the one in AF about a week after I first tried it
20:05.04beandogyah
20:05.07beandogit was over on 53rd west
20:05.17beandogsooooo good
20:06.12supernoviabut I ate a donut this morning
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20:08.24romanovicchadders is gone?
20:08.37romanovicall of them?
20:08.55beandogyah
20:16.25herlobeandog: why are you so mean to me :(
20:16.54herloromanovic: yeah, uh In 'n Out sued, and I think it drained them of cashflow
20:17.07beandog~love herlo
20:17.07ibotIf you love herlo so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
20:17.13herlolol
20:18.31josephscotthaha, co-worker just man a he-man reference
20:18.48mgearywhy would in-n-out sue chadders?
20:19.04herlomgeary: because they used their names and duplicated their burgers
20:19.11mgearyah
20:19.14mgearynever went
20:19.19herlolike it was a double-double, and apparently it's a trademark
20:19.39herlonot that In'n'out is all that
20:19.42herlobut it's good
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20:21.44Muad`DibWoot!
20:22.16mgearyMuad`Dib: tread lightly
20:22.21Muad`Dib:)
20:22.31beandoghttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/07/05/funny-pictures-from-the-internet/
20:22.52Muad`Dibbeandog: lol
20:29.18josephscottjust heard about http://www.amazon.com/He-Man-Masters-Universe-Episode-Collectors/dp/B0009HBPHQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285705724&sr=8-2 - turns out a co-worker owns, and was willing to admit it
20:29.39josephscottI figured it must be the shortest DVD ever made, but perhaps something mindjuju or beandog would buy :-)
20:30.16beandogI already have the complete series
20:30.23SunSparcsupernovia: Ever?
20:30.30supernoviaEver.
20:30.40beandogSunSparc, supernovia is totally culturally sheltered
20:30.40supernoviabeandog's gonna have to fix me up
20:30.41josephscottamazon comments are awesome
20:30.52josephscott"First of all, He-Man has never looked better."
20:30.56josephscottROFL!
20:30.59supernovialol
20:31.00redroybattlecat is awesome
20:31.01SunSparcsupernovia: Perhaps I can bring some over.
20:31.09supernoviaThat'd be cool :)
20:31.28beandogjosephscott, I dont think theyre kidding
20:31.29beandogBesides
20:31.38beandogThese old cartoons ... there are some REALLY poor transfers
20:31.56beandogand then there are some distributors that will do a *great* job cleaning them up, and its quite noticable (Transformers, for example)
20:32.03josephscottbut did you watch the he-man movie?
20:35.15beandogjosephscott, I dont think so
20:35.20josephscotthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gefaeo_zm_0
20:35.21beandoghttp://wiki.github.com/madrobby/scriptaculous/ajax-inplaceeditor intresting.
20:35.27supernoviamy kids are working on TNG (thanks @beandog)
20:35.42beandogTNG++
20:35.48supernoviaspeaking o my kids though - gotta go get em. have a super day, all!
20:35.50beandogI so can't wait for them on bluray
20:36.26beandogjosephscott, oh .. the live action
20:36.29beandogman I wanna see that so bad.
20:36.52herlojosephscott: ping
20:37.02josephscottherlo: yo!
20:37.17herlojosephscott: hey, is there a nomination and voting plugin you know of in wordpress?
20:37.36josephscottbeandog: Dolph Lundgren as he-man in 1987
20:37.40herloif not you, anyone can answer, but we know you are the foremost expert on all of wordpress :)
20:37.45beandogjosephscott, whose that
20:37.50josephscottherlo: haha!
20:37.56herlobeandog: you don't know who Dolph Lundgren is!
20:37.57herlo??
20:37.59josephscottthere are voting plugins, not sure about the nomination part
20:38.05beandogherlo, no
20:38.13herlohttp://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/Images/dolph-lundgren-shirtless.jpg
20:38.17herlobeandog: ^^
20:38.41herlojosephscott: yeah, been looking, but haven't found anythign for voting for things, just voting up posts and such
20:38.55josephscottherlo: what sort of things did you want to vote on?
20:39.02herlopeople
20:39.09herlofor positions in a certain organization :)
20:39.34herlobut they need to be nominated and such
20:39.36herloI'm still digging, just thought I'd ask around too
20:39.45josephscottnominations I'm not sure about
20:39.53josephscottbut for voting, you could just use a poll
20:39.56SunSparcjosephscott: What's up with He-Man using a gun.
20:40.06herloyeah, I was thinking about using comment metadata again and using a comment voting plugin
20:40.19herlojosephscott: polls don't have enough info
20:40.22josephscottSunSparc: uh, well, it's live action, and it wasn't that good, even for the late 80s
20:40.44herloyou'd have to put the text and the name next to it and most polls only have one option under the question
20:40.52josephscottherlo: that might be a good way to go, since you could allow anyone to create a comment
20:40.52herlobut no biggie, I'll keep digging
20:40.57SunSparcHeh, yeah, I remember seeing it but did not remember that part.  It has been at least since then that I have seen it.
20:40.57herlojosephscott: indeed
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20:41.07beandogMasters of the Universe is already in your DVD Queue at position #421
20:41.16herlojosephscott: it was pretty easy to do it for our project day
20:41.50josephscottbeandog: sweet mother of pearl that is a long dvd queue
20:42.00beandogjosephscott, aye
20:42.06beandogI need to watch more movies
20:42.22mindjujui need to find moar time
20:42.47beandogI think fungus beat me on # rated though
20:42.50beandogMine is 2,535
20:43.42fungusnah, i've only rated 1159
20:46.22beandogfungus, have you heard of Dragon Hunters?
20:46.29beandoghttp://www.netflix.com/Movie/Dragon-Hunters/70114308?trkid=226870
20:46.58fungusIt looks like a lame copy of how to train your dragon
20:47.45beandogthat was my original thought.  It got good reviews though.
20:47.48mgearyno
20:47.51DexterTheDragonminus the fact it was made before
20:47.52mgearyDragon Hunters is good
20:47.59beandogHow to Train Your Dragon is epic awesome, tho.
20:48.00mgearyi liked it
20:48.03mgearybeandog: true
20:48.16mgearybut Dragon Hunters is worth getting
20:48.19mgearyif you have kids
20:48.51DexterTheDragonwhat if we have a beandog?
20:48.58mgearythat too
20:49.01beandogheh
20:50.00SunSparcbeandog: I have wanted to see How to Train your Dragon
20:50.13beandogSunSparc, oh man, it is not to be missed.
20:50.20beandogcomes out Oct 15th or so I think
20:50.54SunSparcOh, why was I thinking that it was already out.
20:51.08SunSparcI saw a trailer for it the other day and it looked really good.
20:51.16SunSparcOh, you mean on DVD.
21:12.32beandoghuh
21:12.35beandogHulu is coming to Roku
21:12.59jsmithI'm assuming that it's hulu plus, right?
21:13.03beandogyah
21:23.09mindjujuhulu plus still has commercials
21:23.10mindjujuFAIL
21:24.39herlohulu is still trying to be viable
21:24.40mindjujuanybody looking for a tech support (lvl 3) job?
21:30.27mindjujufunny you say that, i squeezed in 30 minutes of TF 2 time last night
21:30.29mindjujufirst time in weeks
21:30.31mindjuju:)
21:30.37SunSparcGood jorb
21:31.39SunSparc:)
21:31.39mindjujunow i know why cats like to play with thier food
21:31.59SunSparc"WHO TOUCHED SASHA!!!"
21:32.04mindjuju:)
21:32.13mindjujudo you guys still play at Rain?
21:32.24SunSparcNo, bunch of whiner pansies.
21:32.38mindjujuah
21:32.40mindjujubummer
21:32.58SunSparcDon't do much of any kind of "play" anymore these days.
21:33.18SunSparcIt's like everyone decided to grow up and be anal work a holics.
21:33.19Utah_Davemindjuju: I bought TF 2 a while back, but haven't really gotten into it
21:33.57mindjujuwith pool, foozball, wii / tv / xbox 360, table tennis and air hockey
21:34.02mindjujubut the air hockey table is broken
21:34.05SunSparcmindjuju: Awesome
21:34.07mindjujuthat's the only one i'm good at
21:34.15Utah_Davemindjuju: I need someone to give me some tips. I get bored running around in circles getting shot in the head every 10 seconds
21:34.26mindjujuutah_dave, where you play?
21:34.38SunSparcThe thing is, we have a Wii, with Rock Band, foosball table, actual legacy video game machines and still people would rather just work.
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21:34.54mindjujuutah_Dave, where you play at?
21:34.56mindjujuwhat server
21:35.07mindjujusunsparc, legacy arcade games?  that's AWESOME!
21:35.21Utah_DaveJust whatever random server I see.  Which one do you play on?
21:35.34SunSparcYeah, we got a sweet Donkey Kong machine.
21:35.40SunSparcAnd Gorf
21:35.41herloSunSparc: I think that has more to do with the environment in their life more than the actual opportunity to play
21:35.54SunSparcherlo: excuses
21:35.55SunSparc;)
21:35.57herloif you are concerned for your job, you work.  If not, you might play more often
21:36.04herloSunSparc: not arguing that statement :)
21:36.08SunSparcheh
21:36.51herloSunSparc: that's just the mentality I've seen.  I'm generally one who just plays anyway and lives with the consequeces because I stopped worrying about losing my job years ago
21:37.07SunSparcherlo: So true.
21:37.10herloI know that life is a journey and to worry about work is crazy talk
21:37.16mindjujuherlo becomes that guy on office space?
21:37.18SunSparcAmen brother
21:37.28mindjujupeter (i think his name was)
21:37.30herloit's about your passions, your family and your friends.  Nothing else really matters
21:37.39herlomindjuju: hehe, I am Peter :)
21:37.40SunSparcExactly!
21:37.52SunSparcWorry only brings more worry.
21:37.57herloI think work should be about your passions
21:38.03SunSparcYep
21:38.07herloif it isn't it shouldn't be
21:38.27herlofamily stuff is semi-obligatory, but it can be a passion too
21:38.33SunSparcHallelujah
21:38.49SunSparc~herlo++
21:38.59SunSparcThat is for thinking properly
21:39.20herloSunSparc: thx, I've felt this way a long time.  It has paid off for quite a while too
21:39.37mindjujui don't think it's a sacrifice as much as, "take them along for the ride"
21:39.49mindjujulike when ever i go buy parts for PCs now, i always take corban
21:39.57mindjujuso we can talk
21:40.16herlomindjuju: but that's a passion.  Involving your family in what you love is a *good* thing.  
21:40.29herloand sometimes the thing *is* your family
21:40.36herlowhich I think is great!
21:40.47mindjujui'm REALLY good at making PB & J sandwiches.  I need to find a well paying career with that
21:40.52SunSparcYour way of thinking reminds me of, "The Secret" and "The Jackrabbit Factor".
21:40.54herloindeed!
21:41.03herloSunSparc: I never have read any of those books
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21:41.24SunSparcherlo: You do not need to, you are already thinking the way they teach.
21:41.35beandogherlo, Im with you man
21:41.39herlowanted to read 'The Secret', but felt it would be one of those dumb books that told you common sense
21:41.56herloor at least my common sense :)
21:41.58SunSparc"common" is not so common after all.
21:42.02SunSparc:D
21:42.13mindjujui think i'm going to start a business
21:42.20mindjujui'll call it MJ's PB&J
21:42.29herlomindjuju: totally
21:42.30SunSparcGo mindjuju!!!
21:42.35mindjujuand i'll have fresh breads and like 20 kinds of peanut butter
21:42.41mindjujucrispy cold milk
21:42.45herlohave you heard about the guy who makes cheese sammiches in NYC like a drug dealer?
21:42.56DexterTheDragonthere's more than chunky and smooth?
21:42.57mindjujureally?
21:43.13herloyeah
21:43.25beandogHow does a drug dealer make cheese sandwiches?
21:43.28mindjujuyou could have mixes of different nuts and different textures @DtD
21:43.33herlomindjuju: http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/09/21/am-nycs-undreground-grilled-cheese/
21:43.42SunSparcherlo: I was just thinking about that article.
21:43.48herloSunSparc: it's very innovative
21:43.53SunSparcBrillian
21:43.54herloSunSparc: hehe
21:43.54SunSparct
21:44.07beandogoh, got it.  cool
21:44.54herloSunSparc: so the thing about passions and stuff is, it's important to see them through
21:45.19SunSparcherlo: That is the hard part
21:45.26SunSparcOr it can bee
21:45.27herloI find a lot of people will get interrupted with 'life' and it makes it so they don't complete things that they really want to complete.  It interrupts their process...
21:45.34beandogherlo, hear hear
21:45.46beandogwhich is why Im going back to school. :)
21:45.53herlobut it's not easy, exactly SunSparc
21:45.56beandogtoo easy to get distracted
21:46.24herloindeed
21:46.37beandogwhich reminds me
21:46.43beandogI wanna have a Halloween movie party night
21:46.48beandoger .. whatever order those words go in.
21:46.54herlobeing single helps with that, but you can do it with a family of your own.  It's about priorities and compromise...
21:46.59herlobeandog: what movie?
21:47.12beandogherlo, Im thinking Nightmare Before Christmas .. but thats better right after Halloween
21:47.19beandogI need some ideas
21:47.27herlobeandog: I'm not a fan of that director
21:47.35beandogherlo, whats his name?
21:47.36DexterTheDragonbeandog: Thats a christmas movie
21:47.37herlobut you cuold do it anyway
21:47.40beandogDexterTheDragon, shush
21:47.52beandogI wanna say Peter Sellick .. that doesnt sound right though.
21:47.54herlos/uo/ou/
21:48.04mindjujuAny halloween partay needs to have Shaun of the dead
21:48.08herlowell, then not the director, the guy that wrote it maybe...
21:48.09mindjujuthat's like num 1
21:48.15herlomindjuju: or ZombieLand!
21:48.19herlothat's num!
21:48.19mindjujuherlo, i think you mean tim burton
21:48.28herloyes, tim burton movies I don't like
21:48.34beandogOoh
21:48.34mindjujui LOVE tim burton
21:48.37beandogWatcher in the Woods
21:48.37beandog:D
21:48.41herlomindjuju: Zombieland is the funniest movie I've seen in 10 years
21:48.48mindjujuwatcher in the woods was good movie
21:48.54beandogCreepy.
21:49.01mindjujuZombieland was good
21:49.11mindjujuyeah, but Tim just co-wrote 9, he didn't direct
21:49.13herlomindjuju: no, Zombieland was *awesome*
21:49.30mindjujui'm still comparing it to shaun of the dead though
21:49.36herlomindjuju: I know, it's the style...
21:49.45mindjujuthat's why the skew
21:49.47DexterTheDragonmindjuju: he didn't direct Nightmare Before Christmas either
21:49.48herlomindjuju: Shaun of the Dead was pretty awesome...
21:49.59herlobut I didn't laugh for 88-minutes straight in it
21:50.07mindjujuno
21:50.08mindjujuway
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21:52.01herlomindjuju: those two movies are basically the best of late
21:52.09herloin terms of humor and Zombies!
21:54.26beandogOkay guys I gotta question about doing some edit in place JS
21:54.53beandogEverything I've seen so far, they have save and cancel buttons in place after you edit it
21:55.12beandogBut I was thinking more along doing something like once they leave editing that value, it just switches back to a normal text
21:55.16beandoghow would you do that though?
21:59.20thebigdogprobably change the type
22:08.50josephscottbeandog: I've written a few inplace editors, here's the jquery based one - http://code.google.com/p/jeip/source/browse/#svn/trunk
22:09.02josephscottfairly simple, but gets the job done
22:12.05beandogyah id rather use prototype
22:12.05beandog:T
22:18.17josephscottbeandog: I wrote a prototype version of the same thing years ago, it's still around some where
22:55.27beandogOkay
22:55.33beandogStuipd question, but I cant remember terminology
22:55.47beandogWhat is it called where you have a template in one format, and you query your data through AJAX, and then bring them together
22:57.57SunSparc?
22:58.20beandograwr.
22:58.22beandogOkay, so basically
22:58.36beandogYou grab your data in an XML or JSON object
22:58.42beandogAnd then you have a template page
22:58.49beandogthat already has CSS and styling in it
22:58.54beandogand just merge them together to create a display
22:59.16SunSparc"view"?
22:59.48beandogNo
23:00.25SunSparc:(
23:00.26beandogThe view is where you would pull all the elements into
23:00.27beandog*what
23:00.31beandogbut what are the elements
23:01.00SunSparcThe data.
23:01.07beandogNo
23:01.09SunSparcheh
23:01.10beandogI mean, t heres a template
23:01.16beandogugh.
23:01.31SunSparcI am probably the wrong person to ask.
23:01.51SunSparcOr I am just not clicking on what you need.
23:02.45beandogI think its XSLT
23:02.47beandogBut Im not sure.
23:04.54beandogBasically Im trying to pull in data, dynamically
23:04.57beandogand just
23:04.59beandogwell I dunno
23:05.14beandogI just have that "theres gotta be a better way" vibe
23:10.02orsonjI just finished a class on xml. half of it was xslt.
23:10.15beandogorsonj, is that even do what Im trying to ?
23:10.20beandoger ..
23:10.31orsonjI just saw the letters XSLT and barfed
23:14.18thebigdogbeandog: what are you trying to do?
23:26.52beandogthebigdog, not sure ...
23:27.02beandogdocbook comes to mind, since that's what Im used to
23:27.13beandogwhere you have a template that decides how things look
23:27.22beandogI mean, you have CSS for style, you have XML or JSON for data
23:27.28beandogWhat would you use for display though?
23:27.37beandogIsnt there something that is a template that can pull them all together?
23:27.38thebigdogxsl transformation however does not use json data
23:27.52thebigdogyou can use css + xsl + xml
23:28.00SunSparcxhtml?
23:28.06thebigdogand you can actually use xml + css to give you a look and feel
23:28.13thebigdogxhtml is xml html
23:28.18beandogSunSparc, well xhtml is just what it would spit out... but it could just as well be a .PDF or  .DOC
23:28.20SunSparcyes
23:28.20thebigdogso it validates correctly
23:28.40thebigdogyeah for pdf and doc you have another layer in there that is for fop
23:29.00thebigdogfor formatted objects
23:29.06thebigdogthat is more pdf then anything really
23:29.29beandogthebigdog, well yah
23:29.36beandogIm not gonna make Word docs or PDFs
23:29.43beandogIm just trying to find a simpler method to display gobs of data
23:29.51beandograther than writing HTML myself
23:30.47thebigdogyeah you can use xml and xslt
23:30.59thebigdogthen you can force the browser to render the data
23:31.08thebigdogfor example you send the xml data with the stylesheet info
23:31.15thebigdogand the browser will parse and display it
23:31.26SunSparcbeandog: Good luck.
23:31.29thebigdogand the xsl file can use css as well
23:31.30SunSparcnight all
23:31.32thebigdogvery easy to do
23:31.43beandogthebigdog, easy to do?
23:31.58thebigdogyeah not that hard to do
23:32.16beandogthebigdog, what would I search for if I wanna do that
23:32.17beandogjust xsl?
23:32.58thebigdoghere is a starter - http://w3schools.com/xsl/xsl_client.asp
23:33.21thebigdogthat does the transformation in the code
23:33.29thebigdogbut you can even simplify it more
23:34.47thebigdogthis is a simplier approach http://w3schools.com/xsl/xsl_transformation.asp
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23:35.25thebigdogso you get something like this - http://w3schools.com/xsl/cdcatalog_with_xsl.xml
23:35.47beandogHmm
23:35.51beandogYah I think thats what Im looking for
23:36.03beandogCan you query the XML with AJAX libraries though, and populate it that way?
23:36.05thebigdogif you have questions ping me
23:36.11thebigdogyou can
23:36.41thebigdogyou would probably need to do the transformation in javascript
23:36.50beandogwhich transformation
23:36.53beandogFrom XML to XHTML?
23:37.04thebigdogfrom an ajax call
23:37.15thebigdogso if you make and ajax call and get your xml
23:37.25thebigdogthen you would need to apply the stylesheet to it
23:37.47thebigdogif you call an xml file directly and add the stylesheet info the browser will do it for you
23:38.17beandogHuh
23:38.18beandogOkay
23:38.22beandogIm gonna have to read up.
23:38.27beandogI dont see how this would all come together
23:38.31beandogthanks, though, thebigdog
23:38.34beandogthats gonna get me started I think
23:39.07thebigdogwhat part are you missing
23:39.19beandogthebigdog, well, just how it all comes together
23:39.48thebigdogthat first link i sent you is an example
23:39.57thebigdogit is making the ajax call and doing the transformation
23:40.06thebigdogso you get the xml and then convert to xhtml
23:40.22thebigdogthe only hard part would be to create the xsl file
23:40.29beandogWhy is that hard
23:40.46thebigdogif you are not familiar with doing xsl then it would be a learning curve
23:43.09beandogDoes the output always have to be a full page
23:43.15thebigdognope
23:43.20thebigdogit can be whatever you want
23:43.31thebigdogso you can use it for loading sections if you like
23:43.36beandogSo like if you just wanted to display a table
23:43.37beandogor a row
23:43.38beandogor whatever
23:43.42thebigdogyep
23:43.55thebigdogyou can even do the transformation on the server via php or another lang if you perfer
23:43.58thebigdogand then cache the result
23:44.02thebigdogor whatever you want
23:44.15beandogOkay
23:44.32thebigdogi prefer to have the client browser do the transformation
23:44.36beandogMy goal is to get rid of having to write out HTML for stuff that I already kinda have a template for, I guess.
23:44.42itimberI'm out guys... take 'er easy
23:44.43thebigdogno need for you to do it unless you like saving it out
23:44.58thebigdogyeah you can do that
23:45.09thebigdogand you can have many different stylesheets too
23:45.13beandogthebigdog, I dont understand what you mean by transition, but I'm still reading.
23:45.27thebigdogtransfromation
23:45.41thebigdogthat is where you run the xml + xsl
23:45.58thebigdogso xslt is xsl tranformation
23:46.03beandogOhhh
23:46.03beandogOkay
23:46.09beandogXSL is the template
23:47.55thebigdogyep
23:48.01thebigdogxml is the data
23:48.04thebigdogand then you have the output
23:49.33beandogOkay
23:49.46beandogSo it looks like XSL would be the learning curve then .. learning how to actually create a template
23:50.46beandogIntresting stuff.
23:50.51DexterTheDragonwell then also all the therapy you would need
23:50.55beandogthx thebigdog
23:50.57beandogheh
23:51.24thebigdoghaha no therapy
23:51.28thebigdoggreat technology
23:52.35beandogthebigdog, so I guess theres a couple of ways to do the transformation with the data
23:52.41beandogPHP has a native XSL library which I'm looking at
23:52.59beandogAnd I guess, like you were saying, the AJAX libraries have one as well .. or do they just pass it off to the browser?
23:53.04thebigdogwhich lib is it?
23:53.26thebigdogwell the browsers have one built it
23:53.28thebigdogbuilt in
23:53.39beandogthebigdog, the PHP one?  Just native XSL support
23:53.42beandoghttp://www.php.net/manual/en/xsl.examples.php
23:53.58thebigdogyeah those use libxsl
23:54.06thebigdogwhich is the gnu
23:54.10thebigdogworks great
23:54.11beandogok
23:54.21thebigdogi started with sabaltron in php and that sucked so bad
23:54.40thebigdogjust make sure if you are doing transforms on the server that you are not doing huge ones
23:54.47beandogwhys that
23:54.53thebigdogit can eat some resources sometimes
23:54.57beandogOh
23:55.00beandogWell I have really small datasets
23:55.26thebigdogyeah if they are small then you can off load to the client and it would be easier for them
23:56.23thebigdogill be back later tonight if you have questions
23:56.30beandogkk thx
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