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| 14:44.05 | mindjuju | thx thebigdog |
| 14:44.13 | mindjuju | hey, got a moment? |
| 14:44.21 | thebigdog | mindjuju: for you i do |
| 14:44.37 | mindjuju | so, i'm looking at power backup strategy for our building |
| 14:44.46 | mindjuju | I have UPSs, but I need to back that up with generators |
| 14:44.55 | thebigdog | k |
| 14:45.13 | mindjuju | have you done this level of planning? what are first steps? |
| 14:45.28 | thebigdog | for getting a generator? |
| 14:45.32 | mindjuju | I was thinking of contacting the electrician that our company does business with |
| 14:45.34 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 14:45.50 | mindjuju | to back up the UPSs, in case of power loss |
| 14:46.04 | thebigdog | ok |
| 14:46.08 | thebigdog | i have looked into it |
| 14:46.12 | mindjuju | we've had 2 outages since i've been here |
| 14:46.18 | thebigdog | i would only talk with him if he knows about them |
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| 14:46.24 | mindjuju | both under 5 minutes (long enough for a UPS to hold) |
| 14:46.26 | thebigdog | the connection to a generator he can do |
| 14:46.41 | mindjuju | but i hear the neighborhood around us has had outages of some frequency for hours |
| 14:46.58 | thebigdog | generators are really expensive |
| 14:47.22 | thebigdog | i woudl probably look at colo before a generator |
| 14:47.36 | macnewbold | depends on the size/power of the generator |
| 14:47.41 | mindjuju | web servers are colo, this is for internal infrastructure |
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| 14:47.45 | macnewbold | thebigdog: you all ready for tonight :-D ? |
| 14:47.51 | thebigdog | macnewbold: yes |
| 14:48.03 | mindjuju | we can't shut down in power outage |
| 14:48.32 | thebigdog | mindjuju: then you need to see what is your max timeout that you can afford for a generator |
| 14:48.48 | thebigdog | i mean you can get some diesel ones that can run for a long, long time |
| 14:49.00 | thebigdog | there are even solar ones that work quite well too |
| 14:49.00 | mindjuju | that's the range we're looking at |
| 14:49.02 | mindjuju | diesel |
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| 14:49.28 | thebigdog | do you guys own or lease the building? |
| 14:49.38 | mindjuju | own |
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| 14:50.31 | thebigdog | k i would probably check and see if there is a company local and have them come out and talk about them and your options |
| 14:50.44 | thebigdog | then shop around for price, installation and maintenance |
| 14:51.00 | thebigdog | and the cost to bring in fuel |
| 14:51.28 | thebigdog | do you guys plan on moving anytime soon? |
| 14:51.32 | thebigdog | is that even an option? |
| 14:51.48 | thebigdog | i would look at your power consumption too |
| 14:52.05 | mindjuju | we've actually got an architect surveying the building, they're lookingat expanding the infrastructure |
| 14:52.11 | thebigdog | that you can get from the power company and then see what generators can support that or come close |
| 14:52.29 | thebigdog | so you might need to factor in growth over a few years |
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| 14:52.42 | mindjuju | i hadn't considered that until you asked |
| 14:52.45 | mindjuju | lots to think about |
| 14:53.30 | thebigdog | they are a huge investment...so you have to look at least 5-7yrs out i would think |
| 14:53.53 | thebigdog | the fun part is testing them out |
| 14:54.31 | thebigdog | we looked at temco and cummins generators |
| 14:54.36 | thebigdog | there are a bunch out there though |
| 14:54.52 | thebigdog | like kipor, winco, baldor |
| 14:55.05 | mindjuju | that would be kinda fun :) |
| 14:55.40 | thebigdog | i would talk with some local companies and have them come out and meet with you |
| 14:55.45 | thebigdog | get as much info as you can |
| 14:57.02 | thebigdog | i was going to say that if you guys end up moving in a few years you might want to look at a generator that is easily movable |
| 14:58.28 | mindjuju | I actually just found out the other day, that right now, we just have the main complex, the area surrounding the building is ours too, several acres |
| 14:58.35 | mindjuju | so i think we're here for the long haul |
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| 15:01.33 | thebigdog | then that might not be an issue for you |
| 15:01.56 | thebigdog | oh macnewbold do you have a connector for the projector tonight |
| 15:02.26 | macnewbold | it takes a VGA plug |
| 15:02.33 | macnewbold | what kind of connector do you need? thebigdog |
| 15:02.47 | thebigdog | i might have to get one for my mac |
| 15:03.44 | macnewbold | we've got a dvi->vga one i know, |
| 15:04.02 | macnewbold | and generally there are a couple of others sitting around, but i don't know which apple laptop adaptors are which |
| 15:04.10 | thebigdog | mini? |
| 15:04.11 | macnewbold | there's a small one and a really small one |
| 15:04.12 | wps | ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:04.18 | wps | some idiot is squatting on the domain I want |
| 15:04.27 | wps | ~lart squatters |
| 15:04.27 | ibot | chops squatters in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 15:05.04 | mindjuju | i read a stat somewhere that domains that are being squatted on is like 40% of those purchased |
| 15:05.15 | mindjuju | so 60% dev to full site, the rest,s quatters |
| 15:06.09 | thebigdog | i would think the squatted would be higher |
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| 15:55.24 | mindjuju | wow, so all you guys looking for jobs, there is that Matt Weight email that posted like 30 min ago to uphpu mailing list |
| 15:55.33 | mindjuju | if you're not on the mailing list, PIM me and i'll pass you the info |
| 16:00.18 | thebigdog | i just want to work for mindjuju |
| 16:01.01 | mindjuju | i am fun to work with but you're the one with a BMW |
| 16:01.08 | mindjuju | and golfing 18 holes a day |
| 16:01.27 | mindjuju | with your guccii watch and sittin on a yacht |
| 16:01.33 | mindjuju | thebigdog lives the phat life |
| 16:04.37 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: we bought a diesel generator several years ago |
| 16:04.48 | Utah_Dave | It was the best thing we've ever done |
| 16:05.31 | Utah_Dave | We have UPS's that provide power until the generator kicks in, which is usually just a minute for the whole thing to kick in |
| 16:05.46 | Utah_Dave | Plus, our UPS's can run everything for several hours themselves |
| 16:06.15 | Utah_Dave | We can run about 10 days just on generator power, plus we can refuel the generators while they're running |
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| 16:09.36 | mindjuju | utah_dave, that's amazing! |
| 16:11.29 | mindjuju | @utah_dave, who did you guys go through? |
| 16:11.32 | Utah_Dave | Our power is always going out here. It's gotten better the last few years, but it has saved us a lot of money in down time |
| 16:12.05 | Utah_Dave | I can find out for you. Our purchasing guy is a good friend of mine and sits not too far from me |
| 16:13.30 | mindjuju | that would be awesome, ths whole business of the power going out, that's nuts |
| 16:14.13 | Utah_Dave | It's a Cummins Quiet something or other generator. It sits about 30 feet from my window and I can't hear it when it's running. |
| 16:14.51 | wps | that's amazing if you have a diesel generator that you can't hear 30 feet away |
| 16:15.33 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, it's great. I have to get up and look out the window to check that it turned on when power goes out |
| 16:16.45 | Utah_Dave | It was just a local electrician company who installed it. I'll find out their name once our purchasing guy gets back from a meeting |
| 16:21.04 | beandog | any mvc gurus around |
| 16:21.05 | beandog | :T |
| 16:21.21 | macnewbold | beandog: i don't think i'd qualify as guru, but i understand it pretty well i think |
| 16:21.41 | beandog | I'm having a hard time grasping how much stuff goes in each component of the framework |
| 16:22.31 | beandog | Yah |
| 16:22.37 | beandog | I don't even know how to explain the problem beyond that. -_- |
| 16:22.42 | beandog | ugh |
| 16:23.01 | beandog | and i cant find any good links on the web that define the paramaters of what goes into each thing in the mvc |
| 16:23.57 | macnewbold | generally, the "Best practice" is that views contain only display logic, stuff related to how it shows up on the page |
| 16:24.13 | beandog | Yah, okay |
| 16:24.13 | macnewbold | the controllers handle business logic, like control flow through the app |
| 16:24.20 | macnewbold | and the models handle the data layer |
| 16:24.22 | beandog | I guess I'm wondering what should the model return |
| 16:24.32 | macnewbold | there are a few camps on what goes in the model vs the controller |
| 16:24.38 | beandog | like, just a query resultset, or does it actually order stuff, or is that for the controller or view to do |
| 16:24.44 | beandog | b/c reordering stuff is a pita in arrays, but simple in queries. |
| 16:24.48 | macnewbold | personally in general I like the "fat model" camp when it comes to MVC |
| 16:25.02 | macnewbold | (note that liking fat models means somethign totally different outside the mvc context) |
| 16:25.29 | macnewbold | in other words, almost all business logic related to data consistency, etc., like what happens when you create an order or update a product, should go in the model, imho |
| 16:25.37 | macnewbold | and that leaves your controllers pretty thin |
| 16:26.07 | macnewbold | the biggest advantage is that it means everywhere you need to update an order, its' doing it via the model, so it provides better and more consistent code reuse |
| 16:29.48 | beandog | Yah |
| 16:29.50 | beandog | thats what I do |
| 16:30.02 | beandog | but I'm wondering about reordering, restructuring, stuff like that |
| 16:30.09 | beandog | say, for instance, you have a report .. that's a view obviously |
| 16:30.20 | beandog | but where do you put the display order stuff? In the model? in the controller? in the view? |
| 16:30.26 | beandog | ugh *headache* |
| 16:31.25 | Utah_Dave | beandog: I have several models that accept parameter to control the ordering and different options. |
| 16:31.38 | Utah_Dave | That way different controllers can get data in different formats. |
| 16:32.18 | mgeary | i agree with macnewbold |
| 16:32.26 | mgeary | i prefer controllers to be as lean as possible |
| 16:36.45 | stderr | keep (most) business logic in the model. |
| 16:36.52 | beandog | Okay |
| 16:37.02 | beandog | thanks guys |
| 16:37.03 | beandog | I bbl |
| 16:37.42 | stderr | use view helper methods that take a model (and keep duck typing in mind) to access data and display it |
| 16:39.33 | carmony | I;m on a conf call... that is extremely frustrating :P |
| 16:41.41 | supernovia | yah carmony? |
| 16:43.02 | mindjuju | carmony, that's why you need a person who can talk to the clients and pass everything on to the engineers |
| 16:43.08 | mindjuju | (ala office space) |
| 16:43.23 | carmony | lol |
| 16:43.25 | carmony | yeah |
| 16:43.28 | mindjuju | this guy |
| 16:43.41 | mindjuju | http://thelostjacket.com/community/middle-man |
| 16:43.44 | mindjuju | i'm not that guy |
| 16:43.51 | mindjuju | but that's the guy you need |
| 16:46.09 | supernovia | I am that guy. only . not a guy. |
| 16:47.50 | mindjuju | supernovia has too much brains to be that person |
| 16:47.52 | supernovia | but that's usually the job I end up doing. |
| 16:48.04 | mindjuju | plus, you haven't invented a "jump to conclusions" mat |
| 16:48.09 | mindjuju | so no, you're not that guy |
| 16:48.28 | supernovia | Oh, I haven't seen Office Space (or at least not enough of it - snippets here and there, yes, the whole thing, no) |
| 16:48.44 | supernovia | so I didn't know a jump to conclusions mat was part of the description |
| 16:48.58 | carmony | heh |
| 16:49.07 | mindjuju | you know, the guy who invented the pet rock made a million dollars |
| 16:49.15 | mindjuju | i had a good idea like that once |
| 16:49.18 | supernovia | but it -is- true I end up being the enginner/programmer to end-user interface :T |
| 16:50.30 | mindjuju | here is what the mat MUST look like if you want to invent it |
| 16:50.31 | mindjuju | http://www.flashpointdevelopment.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jump-to-conclusions-mat.jpg |
| 16:51.02 | mindjuju | now that i think about it, i'd buy such a mat, if confronted with the choice of this or something else |
| 16:52.39 | mindjuju | @supernovia - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1qETwnZrvo |
| 16:52.45 | mindjuju | oops! language! |
| 16:53.00 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.thinkgeek.com/books/humor/8e6c/ |
| 16:53.12 | supernovia | listening to Young Pilgrims |
| 16:53.31 | mindjuju | that MUST be mine |
| 16:56.39 | SunSparc | Ooh Ooh |
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| 17:35.22 | supernovia | finally watched that, mindjuju :) Yeah I hope I am not THAT guy :-p |
| 17:37.38 | SunSparc | whew |
| 17:37.40 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:37.43 | supernovia | :-D |
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| 18:52.36 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
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| 19:03.53 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 19:03.53 | ibot | blames Utah_Dave for all the evil in the world |
| 19:04.48 | mgeary | ibot: don't forget Canada |
| 19:05.19 | Utah_Dave | :( |
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| 19:14.38 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, ping |
| 19:14.45 | DexterTheDragon | pong |
| 19:15.08 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, you responded too fast, one sec |
| 19:15.23 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, have you ever seen this: http://www.amazon.com/Walt-Disney-Treasures-Tomorrow-Beyond/dp/B0000BWVAI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1284664503&sr=1-1-spell |
| 19:15.50 | DexterTheDragon | don't think I have |
| 19:16.40 | DexterTheDragon | I think I've seen clips of it in other shows |
| 19:16.46 | beandog | It's awesome stuff |
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| 19:25.42 | thebigdog | office bbq was a hit today! |
| 19:26.15 | SunSparc | thebigdog: have there been times when an office bbq was not a hit? |
| 19:27.17 | thebigdog | yeah ;( |
| 19:32.51 | SunSparc | Well, I am glad it was a hit today. :) What made the difference? |
| 19:33.32 | thebigdog | i grilled |
| 19:34.39 | SunSparc | vs...? |
| 19:34.42 | SunSparc | boiling? |
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| 19:35.13 | supernovia | vs someone else grilling! :-D |
| 19:35.39 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:35.53 | supernovia | in fact I don't even have a grill anymore. Sad huh |
| 19:36.08 | SunSparc | Not if you don't use it. |
| 19:36.10 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:36.20 | supernovia | yeah, I was never the expert there. But there are lots of good things in life. |
| 19:36.29 | supernovia | I have a crockpot & that serves me well. |
| 19:36.31 | SunSparc | Yeah, like friends who grill. |
| 19:36.35 | supernovia | :-D |
| 19:36.39 | SunSparc | Crockpots rok! |
| 19:36.44 | supernovia | exactly! on both counts |
| 19:42.28 | thebigdog | vs. non-thebigdog grillers |
| 19:43.04 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 20:44.34 | DexterTheDragon | ~rlart |
| 20:44.35 | ibot | does a little 'renice 20 -u utahcon' |
| 20:46.07 | wps | reniced? |
| 20:46.11 | SunSparc | superafk: needs a priority flag |
| 20:46.22 | superafk | yah for reals. |
| 20:46.25 | mgeary | or a cattleguard |
| 20:46.41 | superafk | I don't mind just waiting in line |
| 20:46.46 | wps | regex question: |
| 20:46.54 | Dezertol | cattleguard = the chicks that wave the flags in the marching band |
| 20:47.05 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:47.08 | wps | if I wanted to match every character except a slash, one or more times⦠|
| 20:47.16 | wps | ([^\/]+) |
| 20:47.23 | wps | is that right? |
| 20:47.30 | wps | do I need to escape the slash? |
| 20:47.39 | Dezertol | ya you do |
| 20:47.45 | Dezertol | looks right to me |
| 20:47.49 | mgeary | assuming that your regex delimiters are slashes, you do |
| 21:24.00 | wps | wahoo! |
| 21:24.07 | wps | an hour wasted trying to debug a regex string! |
| 21:24.18 | wps | such good times |
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| 21:34.07 | wps | after an hour of trial and error, I discovered that⦠|
| 21:34.08 | wps | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f |
| 21:34.19 | wps | â¦doesnt' work within a <VirtualHost> block |
| 21:34.28 | wps | it only works in <Directory> |
| 21:36.10 | SunSparc | Thanks Apache |
| 21:36.43 | beandog | soooo |
| 21:37.02 | beandog | fill yer cup and lift up and clink, here's how |
| 21:37.16 | beandog | no dilly-dalling no shilly-shallying, lets get to work right now |
| 21:38.11 | beandog | best musical evar. |
| 21:41.25 | SunSparc | "The Happiest Millionaire"? |
| 21:41.38 | beandog | aye |
| 21:42.05 | SunSparc | Never seen it. Guess I need to add it to my queue. |
| 21:42.06 | beandog | oh miss cornelia drexel bidel, I thought I knew you welllllll |
| 21:42.18 | beandog | its so good |
| 21:42.23 | beandog | Its like 3 and half hours or something |
| 21:42.35 | SunSparc | Whoa! |
| 21:42.44 | superafk | wowsas |
| 21:42.47 | beandog | but it goes really fast |
| 21:43.03 | beandog | 172 minutes |
| 21:43.08 | beandog | so almost 3 hours. |
| 21:43.25 | beandog | it was Walt's last movie. :C |
| 21:43.36 | supernovia | really? |
| 21:43.48 | wps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-mDrxLVuVU |
| 21:43.50 | beandog | aye |
| 21:43.57 | supernovia | alas |
| 21:45.17 | beandog | fortuosity ... thats me own word .. |
| 21:45.20 | beandog | man |
| 21:45.26 | beandog | now Ive got all the songs stuck in my head. |
| 21:49.46 | beandog | that reminds me (oddly enough). StarCrash is on bluray now |
| 21:49.54 | beandog | starring The Hoff |
| 21:50.26 | SunSparc | I cannot see myself actually spending money on StarCrash. |
| 21:50.29 | beandog | There's not enough movies with space vixens in leather fighting evil galactic overlords with lightsaber ripoffs. |
| 21:51.06 | beandog | Although there is that Red Sonja movie. |
| 21:51.11 | beandog | and that makes up for a pretty big gap. |
| 21:51.19 | wps | "space vixens in leather" |
| 21:51.21 | wps | love it |
| 21:51.27 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 21:52.55 | orsonj | heh, (catching up) I read that as "StarCrash is on blurry now" |
| 21:53.25 | beandog | heh |
| 21:53.27 | beandog | ~summon mindjuju |
| 21:53.27 | ibot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing mindjuju's coordinates |
| 21:53.31 | beandog | I bet he has the hots for Red Sonja |
| 21:53.40 | beandog | SunSparc, how was it? |
| 21:54.38 | SunSparc | beandog: Never seen it? Well, I do not remember much about it. Must not have left much of an impression n me. Cannot remember seeing it since. |
| 21:55.08 | beandog | SunSparc, no, I saw it. I thought it was good. Or at least, as good as those movies get. |
| 21:55.14 | beandog | Not as cool as Krull. |
| 21:55.16 | *** part/#uphpu mitchmorby (~Adium@166-70-210-180.ip.xmission.com) |
| 21:55.43 | beandog | ~SunSparc++ |
| 21:55.52 | beandog | good taste deserves karma |
| 21:56.01 | beandog | bad taste deserves Windows |
| 21:56.14 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:56.21 | SunSparc | ~beandog++ |
| 21:56.23 | SunSparc | Cheers! |
| 21:58.38 | SunSparc | supernovia: You need to do something about that. |
| 21:59.00 | SunSparc | me searches eBay |
| 21:59.09 | beandog | I wish that one would hit bluray |
| 21:59.11 | beandog | that and TRON |
| 22:00.59 | orsonj | so, anyone try Diaspora yet? |
| 22:01.40 | beandog | no |
| 22:01.42 | beandog | and thats kind of a dumb name |
| 22:01.51 | orsonj | I'm setting it up in a vm. |
| 22:02.15 | orsonj | well, that's par for the course with open source |
| 22:02.30 | supernovia | surely tron will hit blueray when the new movie comes out |
| 22:04.52 | beandog | yah |
| 22:05.08 | SunSparc | beandog: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000056WR3 |
| 22:05.37 | beandog | SunSparc, surely you jest |
| 22:05.40 | beandog | Who do you think you're talking to? |
| 22:05.48 | beandog | :) |
| 22:05.48 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:05.50 | SunSparc | heh |
| 22:05.59 | Utah_Dave | orsonj: I tried using the openspora node. |
| 22:06.00 | beandog | SunSparc, I have it on DVD plus one of the limited-edition 2-disc soundtracks |
| 22:06.00 | SunSparc | Yeah, well I don't own it yet. At least not on DV |
| 22:06.11 | SunSparc | nice |
| 22:06.11 | beandog | something like only 500 printed |
| 22:06.12 | Utah_Dave | It crashed hard |
| 22:06.33 | SunSparc | I had a pirated copy on VHS somewhere, wonder if I still have that... |
| 22:06.33 | mgeary | Krull is teh bomb |
| 22:06.47 | mgeary | i totally have it |
| 22:07.02 | mgeary | though mine's not pirated |
| 22:07.02 | SunSparc | ~mgeary++ |
| 22:07.25 | beandog | Oh, 3000 copies |
| 22:07.26 | beandog | I was off. |
| 22:07.38 | beandog | no wait, 2000 |
| 22:07.50 | beandog | http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=1942 |
| 22:08.39 | SunSparc | AKA Dungeons and Dragons? |
| 22:10.32 | beandog | boy that movie was horrible |
| 22:10.35 | beandog | I didnt make it 5 minutes. |
| 22:10.41 | beandog | once they busted out the eubonics, I was outta there. |
| 22:11.37 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (~boucha@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 22:15.30 | herlo | beandog: ebonics - https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ebonics |
| 22:15.44 | herlo | :P |
| 22:15.58 | beandog | herlo, I meant the european variation. |
| 22:15.59 | beandog | :) |
| 22:21.06 | SunSparc | s/do/be/ |
| 22:22.26 | SunSparc | dooby dooby doo |
| 22:27.49 | herlo | beandog: oic |
| 22:28.24 | beandog | :) |
| 22:28.33 | supernovia | oh wait! :-D |
| 22:29.04 | supernovia | I also want to get paid to design better stuff, somewhere down the road. :) |
| 22:29.04 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:30.18 | beandog | like the six million dollar man? |
| 22:31.17 | *** part/#uphpu beandog (~steve@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 22:38.05 | SunSparc | Just ask the bishop to assign you to the nursery. |
| 22:38.20 | SunSparc | Oh way, no pay for that. |
| 22:38.37 | mgeary | though actually, the nursery is a great calling |
| 22:38.37 | SunSparc | Other than Celestial credits. |
| 22:38.42 | mgeary | i'd totally do it any day |
| 22:39.37 | wps | mgeary: ward or stake? |
| 22:39.41 | mgeary | wps: ward |
| 22:40.54 | wps | I'm in the stake. Our stake exec sec puts in about ten or eleven a week I'd imagine. |
| 22:41.16 | mgeary | yeah, i believe it |
| 22:44.49 | mgeary | uh, that's a few too many |
| 22:45.20 | SunSparc | 3 meals a day multiplied by 7... |
| 22:45.31 | SunSparc | Plenty of space in my menu. |
| 22:56.12 | stderr | http://i.imgur.com/sFwXl.png :( |
| 22:58.41 | SunSparc | stderr: corruption and complacency |
| 22:59.38 | SunSparc | Corruption on those in positions of responsibility and complacency on the silent majority that think life is fine and do not care to find out any different, or if they do find out, they ignore it hoping it will just go away. |
| 22:59.58 | SunSparc | </myOpinion> |
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| 23:17.13 | supernovia | I'm off to school - have a good night, guys |
| 23:17.36 | SunSparc | laterz |
| 23:57.33 | macnewbold | woot! Meeting tonight... |
| 23:57.36 | macnewbold | T-63 minutes |
