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| 02:33.24 | ninnypants | herlo: ping |
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| 02:52.45 | utahcon | anyone here that is familiar with DNS? |
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| 03:48.06 | herlo | ninnypants: pong |
| 04:36.52 | ninnypants | herlo: you still around? had to walk the dog |
| 04:40.05 | herlo | ninnypants: I am |
| 04:41.36 | ninnypants | it was you trying to set up the LLC right? |
| 04:41.48 | herlo | yes |
| 04:41.52 | herlo | have it mostly done |
| 04:41.56 | herlo | but wanted help |
| 04:42.12 | ninnypants | where did you go to get your info? |
| 04:42.30 | ninnypants | I looked around a little before but am looking to register one too |
| 04:44.47 | herlo | let me find it |
| 04:44.50 | herlo | hang on a sec |
| 04:45.22 | herlo | ninnypants: https://secure.utah.gov/osbr-user/user/welcome.html |
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| 04:46.05 | ninnypants | sweet |
| 04:46.50 | ninnypants | thanks herlo |
| 04:47.16 | herlo | np, I didn't find it easy either |
| 04:47.22 | herlo | someone else gave it to me :) |
| 04:51.03 | ninnypants | yeah stuff like this is a lot more complicated than it ever needs to be |
| 04:51.19 | herlo | heh, you're telling me |
| 04:51.28 | herlo | you should see the pile of irs documents I got today for mine |
| 04:51.36 | herlo | ninnypants: what are you naming your LLC? |
| 04:52.12 | ninnypants | Euthanasia List |
| 04:52.49 | DexterTheDragon | sounds happy |
| 04:53.01 | ninnypants | gonna open it up and let shelters list their endangered animals, and hopefully raise awareness and get some adopted |
| 04:53.17 | ninnypants | DexterTheDragon: yeah happiest site I've ever made... |
| 04:53.35 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: haha |
| 04:53.59 | ninnypants | gonna set up a donation system so that people can donate to shelters or sponsor specific animals |
| 04:54.08 | herlo | ninnypants: sounds interesting. I'm not much of an animal person, but I think that humans should be allowed to be euthanized when appropriate. Suffering is just pointless |
| 04:54.26 | herlo | no matter if it's animals or humans |
| 04:55.13 | ninnypants | I agree I would euthanize my dog if he was in pain I'm not crazy like that |
| 04:55.45 | ninnypants | this will focus on animals in shelters that are perfectly healthy and could go into homes |
| 05:03.29 | herlo | indeed |
| 05:03.35 | herlo | just the name reminded me |
| 05:04.27 | ninnypants | yeah I think humans should be able to be euthanized too |
| 05:08.48 | ninnypants | it'll have some other handy tools too. Like an app to help pick the correct breed of dog for your life style and things like that. |
| 05:14.32 | herlo | cool |
| 05:15.46 | ninnypants | yeah how's findmysoda coming? |
| 05:17.26 | herlo | okay, I guess |
| 05:17.31 | herlo | influx has been slacking though |
| 05:17.34 | herlo | :) |
| 05:18.02 | herlo | ninnypants: I was working on a new way to add soda yesterday via django. |
| 05:18.21 | herlo | but I ran into some issues, today's been hell at work, so I've not been back at it yet... |
| 05:22.20 | ninnypants | herlo: that sucks I'd definately use the site though I don't realy buy bottles though |
| 05:22.46 | ninnypants | how long do you think it'll take to get an android app working? |
| 05:30.46 | herlo | not too long |
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| 06:00.02 | ninnypants | sweet |
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| 07:33.01 | MarkDude | ninnypants, Android apps are pretty quick to get going, it sounds like yours is just accesing data an serving it up |
| 07:34.15 | MarkDude | If you get it going, I would like to know, I am in Northern California, I can help promote awareness of it |
| 07:34.46 | MarkDude | And Leo from Twit would help let people know about it, he likes stuff like that |
| 07:35.02 | ninnypants | MarkDude: I'm not building and android app |
| 07:37.48 | MarkDude | Sry, I misread :) |
| 07:38.04 | ninnypants | np |
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| 14:06.16 | itimber | morning guys |
| 14:11.53 | mindjuju | morning |
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| 15:15.43 | mindjuju | ~give josephscott a nice cup of calming tea |
| 15:15.44 | ibot | ACTION gives a nice cup of calming tea to josephscott |
| 15:15.57 | mgeary | ~rattle josephscott |
| 15:16.21 | josephscott | it's wordcamp utah eve, I'm already rattled :-) |
| 15:16.22 | mindjuju | poor guy is running WCUT tomorrow! |
| 15:16.34 | mgeary | ~sucker josephscott |
| 15:16.52 | josephscott | mgeary: coming? |
| 15:17.10 | mindjuju | i told the whole marketing department here that they should be going |
| 15:17.20 | josephscott | mindjuju: nice! |
| 15:17.24 | mgeary | josephscott: nope. Wordpress represents a pretty tiny fraction of what we do, though when it comes to blogs we do prefer WP to anything else |
| 15:17.37 | mindjuju | and josephscott, they REALLY use wordpress for what it was for, blogging! not like my former employer using it for link farm |
| 15:18.38 | josephscott | you know WP is for more than just blogs right? :-) |
| 15:18.44 | josephscott | http://www.lafayette.edu/ <-- all WP |
| 15:18.51 | josephscott | http://www.viget.com/blog/lafayette-college-redesign/ |
| 15:19.02 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 15:19.30 | josephscott | and if you want something local --> http://www.blendtec.com/ <-- WP |
| 15:22.34 | mindjuju | though I was more meaning that my employer is using WP for good and not just SEO boosts |
| 15:22.58 | josephscott | mindjuju: yes, when gifted with super powers you really should only use them for good ;-) |
| 15:23.06 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 16:00.24 | mindjuju | @fungus, @ herlo, how different is centOS from ubuntu? |
| 16:00.34 | mindjuju | does use apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 16:00.39 | fungus | very different |
| 16:00.40 | fungus | no |
| 16:00.46 | fungus | they use yum |
| 16:01.17 | mindjuju | oh i thought that was a suse thing |
| 16:01.22 | fungus | But remember they are not different bad, just different |
| 16:01.35 | mindjuju | k, i'll look for some tuts and ramp up |
| 16:01.37 | fungus | no, suse is yast or zypper |
| 16:01.57 | fungus | IMHO, suse is different bad |
| 16:01.59 | fungus | :) |
| 16:02.15 | mindjuju | i get to learn how to sys admin linux using suse |
| 16:02.43 | mindjuju | i asked the prof yesterday if we could pick any distro and for a sec, it seemed like he might yield |
| 16:02.43 | fungus | Well, most of the concepts you'll learn will likely be universal |
| 16:02.54 | mindjuju | but in the end, he was like, no we have to use the book |
| 16:03.14 | mindjuju | bash is bash in all distros though? right |
| 16:03.21 | fungus | Focus on the concepts for real life, focus on the details for passing the class. |
| 16:03.28 | mindjuju | k |
| 16:03.30 | fungus | right. bash is bash |
| 16:03.56 | mindjuju | that's what i need to pin down so i can stop buggin ya with linux questions |
| 16:04.01 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:04.46 | mgeary | mindjuju: i've had decent experiences with CentOS |
| 16:05.28 | fungus | yeah, CentOS and redhat are very very similar to each other. and are both very good. |
| 16:05.46 | mgeary | the biggest issue i've encountered is that because CentOS is based on RedHat, updates are very slow to come out on the official channels. It's not uncommon to have a much older version of a piece of software than you might expect |
| 16:06.59 | jsmith | mgeary: RHEL 6 Beta is publicly available :-) |
| 16:07.18 | mgeary | but if you're brave, you can install alternative yum sources and get newer versions of stuff |
| 16:08.06 | thebigdog | well centos is built for stability and not bleedibility hehe |
| 16:08.08 | fungus | That's partly why I generally like Ubuntu. It's still pretty stable with LTS, but not fugly old |
| 16:08.11 | mindjuju | are they slow to adopt as a strategy for increased stability or is there some other reason? |
| 16:08.23 | fungus | Ubuntu hits the sweet spot for me. |
| 16:08.30 | mgeary | fungus: i agree |
| 16:08.39 | mgeary | mindjuju: yeah, stability is king with RHEL |
| 16:08.51 | mgeary | as far as i understand it |
| 16:08.53 | undertakingyou | Shoot, I can't remember. What is it called when you have the background of a website 'shade' and a different form/picture/insert thing here come above the rest of the page? |
| 16:10.37 | mgeary | most people call that a lightbox effect |
| 16:10.42 | thebigdog | mindjuju: if you really care about stability then i would always go with centos//rhel/freebsd, if you dont and would like some of the new features, then ubuntu is great and there are some other distros too that are not too bad like fedora, gentoo and some others |
| 16:11.07 | fungus | agreed |
| 16:11.26 | fungus | Fedora is great for bleeding edge stuff. |
| 16:11.48 | thebigdog | and if you like a distro sometimes the spin offs are pretty good too |
| 16:12.03 | thebigdog | like rhel/centos/fedora debian/ubuntu |
| 16:12.41 | thebigdog | or just run gentoo and learn how to compile and debug, compile and debug, compile and configure, compile and configure |
| 16:15.37 | thebigdog | personally, i like to run the following mac, ubuntu and gentoo those are my oses of choice |
| 16:15.46 | undertakingyou | mgeary: thanks. |
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| 16:38.43 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 16:38.44 | ibot | wallops carmony with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 16:46.21 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 16:46.22 | ibot | runs at ChanServ with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
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| 16:46.46 | SunSparc | ibot: I am not sure it is a good idea to attack ChanServ. |
| 16:46.47 | ibot | it is my pleasure to meet you, not sure it is a good idea to attack ChanServ. |
| 16:47.05 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 16:47.06 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at wps |
| 16:47.08 | mindjuju | an origami swiss army knife sounds cool |
| 16:47.31 | SunSparc | True |
| 16:48.20 | mgeary | until it gets wet |
| 16:57.11 | carmony | good grief... pouring cement... is crazy |
| 16:57.27 | Dezertol | hehe that's abit random |
| 16:57.48 | Dezertol | you making cement shoes today? |
| 16:57.56 | carmony | lol |
| 16:58.04 | DexterTheDragon | he's in the mob |
| 16:58.34 | carmony | the Carmony mob.... |
| 17:01.29 | Dezertol | you know it's funny.. that "mobsters" are some how more scary the "gangsters" but gangsters are more prevelent and cause more problems |
| 17:01.57 | Dezertol | gangs in general.. that is |
| 17:02.17 | Dezertol | at least it seems that way.. |
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| 17:08.42 | itimber_ | I keep switching vpn connex.... I'll just catch ya'll later |
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| 17:27.16 | mindjuju | the local dentist on our insurance plan send over 2 dozen hot and fresh crispy creme, with a kindly note saying, stop by so we can check your teeth |
| 17:27.18 | mindjuju | what a rat |
| 17:27.47 | Dezertol | hehe that's actually kinda cool |
| 17:28.02 | mindjuju | yeah, but should have been like toothbrush or mouthwash |
| 17:28.08 | Dezertol | which my dentist would send me krispy kremes |
| 17:28.10 | mindjuju | something for good oral hygenie |
| 17:28.19 | Dezertol | na |
| 17:30.11 | mindjuju | how cool would it be to have suaramon as your dentist (ala charlie and choco factory) |
| 17:31.16 | Dezertol | you know when you think about dentists there a lot like cops, firefighters etc... |
| 17:31.21 | Dezertol | they only get paid if other people have problems |
| 17:31.22 | Dezertol | lol |
| 17:31.53 | Dezertol | a whole category of people that only get paid if other people have problems and tragities |
| 17:32.15 | mindjuju | or steve martin as my dentist - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM |
| 17:32.27 | Dezertol | with the nose from roxan |
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| 17:42.10 | fungus | mindjuju, lol, love that movie, but that part is pretty scary. |
| 17:42.27 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:42.50 | mindjuju | after watching that clip, i put on a few more clips from youtube |
| 17:42.53 | mindjuju | love that movie |
| 17:43.43 | fungus | Dezertol, there's actually a ton of people that make money of peoples problems. Tech Support, Stock Brokers, Tax Auditors, Maids, etc. |
| 17:43.49 | fungus | most of the service industry really. |
| 17:50.24 | Dezertol | ya just sad.. is my point |
| 17:51.33 | Dezertol | that indutries thrive on the misfortune of others.. |
| 17:53.23 | fungus | hehe, kind of humorous/sad when you think about it that way. |
| 17:54.11 | Dezertol | you can even word it to make it even more distant.. |
| 17:54.33 | Dezertol | corporations thrive on the misfortune of the human race |
| 17:54.36 | Dezertol | lol |
| 17:54.53 | Dezertol | as tho.. corp's are some how better then humans |
| 17:55.36 | Dezertol | which technically.. due to the laws govenring them they are |
| 17:56.11 | Dezertol | they can own property they can own and trade assets.. they can brake laws they can cheat, lie, steel.. but they can't go to jail |
| 17:57.35 | fungus | lol, no kidding |
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| 18:03.25 | beandog | buenos. |
| 18:07.37 | Dezertol | so I bought the book "rework" which all in all is a really good book |
| 18:08.11 | Dezertol | but in the opening section the author goes off about how they invented ruby on rails and how it powers much of the web 2.0 |
| 18:08.33 | Dezertol | other then that it was a good book |
| 18:09.12 | fungus | lol, that's one of my pet peeves in the Ruby community. Pervasive arrogance. |
| 18:09.20 | Dezertol | ya.. |
| 18:09.43 | Dezertol | i'm sure that ruby on rails is a fine framework/language |
| 18:10.47 | Dezertol | but I've never met a ruby guy that wasn't overbarring arrogant and trying to cram there rails framwork down my throat |
| 18:11.24 | Dezertol | so in general I'm totally turned off by it based only on the people I've met that demand that I accept it as the best thing out there |
| 18:11.55 | Dezertol | really just gets to me.. I'm tempted to learn DJango and python just to spite |
| 18:12.07 | fungus | yeah, I really do like rails a lot, i'm working on a rails project right now actually. |
| 18:12.23 | Dezertol | i'm sure it's an awsome product |
| 18:12.31 | stderr | Rails > Django |
| 18:12.31 | Dezertol | or it wouldn't still be alive |
| 18:12.33 | fungus | django is really nice too |
| 18:12.55 | Dezertol | I had to work with this Tom guy who was just unbeleavible |
| 18:13.14 | Dezertol | he was so "OMG Rails is the best thing in the world".."I would marry it if I could" |
| 18:13.22 | Dezertol | and it just got so very old |
| 18:14.15 | fungus | ruby and rails are really great, but python still has a special place in my heart. |
| 18:15.04 | fungus | python has that structured, comfortable feeling, while ruby is more wild west, crazy feeling. |
| 18:15.13 | Dezertol | I started in C/C++ then to vb then to perl then to php and .net |
| 18:15.21 | Dezertol | I sorta missed the python/ruby boat |
| 18:15.50 | Dezertol | tho.. I don't use .net much.. only for the oneoff's that I need to intergrate with something like quickboks |
| 18:16.25 | Dezertol | I thought one of the ruby selling points was that it was elegent code |
| 18:16.32 | Dezertol | i.e. structured and clean etc.. |
| 18:16.42 | fungus | ruby can make elegant code, if you code it that way. |
| 18:16.57 | Dezertol | ya but all languages can.. "if you code that way" |
| 18:17.01 | fungus | But it can be really crazy too. a lot more perlish |
| 18:17.23 | Dezertol | I was under the impression that it was more or less OOP perl |
| 18:17.43 | fungus | python has some enforced restrictions and styles that make it less unwieldy |
| 18:18.10 | fungus | Kind of. Ruby inherits a lot from perl and python both. |
| 18:18.20 | Dezertol | if you had to draw a comparison line to delphi and python.. what would you say |
| 18:18.30 | fungus | never used delphi |
| 18:18.36 | Dezertol | k.. never mind then |
| 18:18.53 | fungus | But either way, you should try out both, at least a little bit. |
| 18:19.18 | fungus | diveintopython.org and tryruby.org |
| 18:19.23 | Dezertol | I'll probaly try python.. |
| 18:19.33 | Dezertol | not sure about ruby yet.. |
| 18:19.49 | Dezertol | I'd hate for Tom to find out that I even took at alook at rbuy |
| 18:19.49 | fungus | See if either fit in your life. |
| 18:19.55 | fungus | lol |
| 18:20.01 | Dezertol | after all the crap that we flug at each other |
| 18:20.28 | Dezertol | it would make dealing with him 1000x worse |
| 18:20.37 | fungus | yeah, I get that. |
| 18:20.39 | fungus | :) |
| 18:20.45 | Dezertol | and right now he does all the ruby stuff and I don't have to |
| 18:20.48 | Dezertol | lol |
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| 18:22.33 | beandog | I think Im starting to see some simliarities between getting people hooked on programming languages and drugs |
| 18:22.38 | beandog | "Just try it, once" |
| 18:22.40 | beandog | :) |
| 18:23.08 | beandog | I used to be on ASP, but then I switched to meth. |
| 18:23.18 | Dezertol | and your all the better for it |
| 18:23.46 | SunSparc | lol |
| 18:25.29 | fungus | the ruby ability to modify core classes really bothers me. |
| 18:25.50 | Dezertol | like.. override |
| 18:25.57 | Dezertol | or just flat out changing them |
| 18:26.03 | fungus | both |
| 18:26.22 | Dezertol | that makes for a portability consirn (in my opinion) |
| 18:26.30 | fungus | An example: adding a days() method to an Integer class. |
| 18:26.52 | fungus | 1.days to make date math pretty |
| 18:27.11 | fungus | talk about WTF |
| 18:27.22 | Dezertol | lol |
| 18:28.04 | fungus | It also possible to replace core functionality any time you feel like |
| 18:28.24 | fungus | That just feels wrong to me. |
| 18:33.10 | Dezertol | well it would make me worry about other apps using the same code that are not accounting for the change |
| 18:33.47 | Dezertol | unless the entire rails project is locked into one site |
| 18:34.03 | Dezertol | so that if you run anohter site it uses it's own code core that is not shared |
| 18:36.34 | fungus | usually it isn't too bad. Most people don't do really bad things. |
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| 19:14.30 | thebigdog | linode rocks |
| 19:14.36 | thebigdog | i have a couple of them running |
| 19:15.11 | SunSparc | thebigdog: Do you use their backup service? Or have you ever found a need to have backups? |
| 19:15.23 | fungus | backups are critical |
| 19:15.30 | SunSparc | I agree |
| 19:15.33 | fungus | But i don't use their service. I roll my own |
| 19:15.48 | SunSparc | fungus: What is your solution? |
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| 19:15.55 | fungus | pretty much a simple rsync to my house |
| 19:16.04 | fungus | technically using rsnapshot |
| 19:16.13 | SunSparc | Right. Makes sense. |
| 19:16.26 | SunSparc | Their backup service prices are quite reasonable. |
| 19:16.45 | fungus | IIRC their backups are image level |
| 19:16.52 | SunSparc | File level |
| 19:17.00 | fungus | really? interesting. |
| 19:17.02 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 19:17.23 | thebigdog | SunSparc: i dont use theirs |
| 19:17.34 | thebigdog | i do my own too |
| 19:17.36 | SunSparc | I am spoiled by Verio. Every Verio server has a nightly backup mounted as an extra drive. |
| 19:17.42 | thebigdog | and then just download the backups |
| 19:17.53 | SunSparc | thebigdog: you doing rsync also? |
| 19:18.05 | thebigdog | depends |
| 19:18.12 | thebigdog | most of mine is actually svn type |
| 19:18.19 | thebigdog | i push changes to svn |
| 19:18.29 | SunSparc | Ah, yeah, I can see that. |
| 19:18.50 | thebigdog | everything i do is svn based...cause i love the versions |
| 19:19.03 | SunSparc | Versions are indeed nice. |
| 19:19.09 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: You have an iPhone? |
| 19:19.23 | DexterTheDragon | Nexus One |
| 19:19.28 | thebigdog | i am actually thinking of moving to github and have them handle all my stuff for me though |
| 19:19.48 | SunSparc | Ah. NASA just made live streaming available in their iPhone app. |
| 19:20.08 | SunSparc | thebigdog: I have heard people consider that as an alternative. |
| 19:22.12 | fungus | SunSparc, Linode only allows full restores so far. That could be limiting |
| 19:23.02 | SunSparc | fungus: Oh really? No file level browsing? |
| 19:23.20 | fungus | They mention they do file level backups, but only allow full restores. |
| 19:23.35 | fungus | Probably just for the incremental backups i guess. |
| 19:24.18 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 19:24.19 | SunSparc | Hmmm |
| 19:24.21 | fungus | But depending on how you use your linode, that could be good enough |
| 19:24.34 | fungus | Your code should be in version control anyway |
| 19:24.40 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 19:24.55 | Dezertol | i'm running 3 linodes at the mo |
| 19:25.02 | Dezertol | it works great for me |
| 19:25.13 | fungus | Dezertol, do you use their backup service? |
| 19:25.21 | Dezertol | I don't |
| 19:25.35 | fungus | We all love their main linode service, we are debating their backup feature. |
| 19:25.36 | Dezertol | I scp my db dumps off every night |
| 19:25.44 | Dezertol | all the rest of it is in svn |
| 19:25.49 | Dezertol | or default slack install |
| 19:25.53 | fungus | yeah, that makes sense. |
| 19:26.02 | josephscott | anyone know what happened here? http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/08/26/drunken-employee-shoots-up-a-server/ |
| 19:26.46 | fungus | lol, no, but that was really funny |
| 19:27.16 | Dezertol | nice |
| 19:27.39 | Dezertol | it's sad that my first thought is.. o lawd what had he done now.. but it was a different guy |
| 19:27.57 | Dezertol | I got a friend that would fit that profile |
| 19:28.50 | thebigdog | josephscott: i removed his account |
| 19:28.52 | undertakingyou | I have shot different machines, just not while running or in use. |
| 19:29.03 | Dezertol | same here |
| 19:29.09 | josephscott | thebigdog: know him? |
| 19:29.19 | thebigdog | no...just saying |
| 19:29.27 | fungus | woot, Portal 2 footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz0PvYiHjwE |
| 19:29.37 | thebigdog | i read the article on ksl and he just went in and shot the server |
| 19:29.44 | thebigdog | i should have called the company |
| 19:29.54 | thebigdog | 1) he had access to the server room |
| 19:30.02 | thebigdog | that should have been a no-no |
| 19:30.15 | thebigdog | 2) how did he get into the office after hours |
| 19:30.28 | fungus | wasn't he an authorized sysadmin? |
| 19:30.54 | josephscott | sounds like he shouldn't have been an authorized gun carrier :-) |
| 19:30.59 | thebigdog | from the article i read it said he was just and employee so it sounded like he was not it |
| 19:31.21 | fungus | ah, if he wasn't IT then it was security fail |
| 19:31.32 | fungus | and gun carrier permit fail |
| 19:31.50 | thebigdog | wow that article is a little different |
| 19:31.55 | SunSparc | fungus: That Portal 2 footage is new to me. I saw another one a couple weeks ago. That is so cool. |
| 19:31.56 | Dezertol | anyone with training would call it a neglagent discharge |
| 19:31.57 | Dezertol | lol |
| 19:32.07 | thebigdog | i read that he called the police and then passed out |
| 19:32.36 | Dezertol | wonder if he worked in IT |
| 19:32.36 | josephscott | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700059568/Mortgage-employee-accused-of-making-up-suspect-to-avoid-blame-for-shooting-computer-after-Twilight-Concert.html |
| 19:32.45 | Dezertol | wonder if the server was an exchange server |
| 19:32.47 | josephscott | called police, claims someone stole his gun |
| 19:32.56 | Dezertol | cuz it's been allI could to not shoot one of them before |
| 19:33.10 | thebigdog | smell the urine |
| 19:33.12 | thebigdog | that is nice |
| 19:34.04 | thebigdog | the real question is, how good is the companies backup |
| 19:34.34 | josephscott | and when future potential employers do a google query on him : http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Joshua+Lee+Campbell+utah#hl=en&q=Joshua+Lee+Campbell&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=3318d71742fc0392 |
| 19:35.49 | fungus | oops |
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| 20:17.23 | PoeticIntensity | hey thebigdog, thanks for the recommendation of monodevelop yesterday. It did exactly what I needed it to. I love UPHPU. |
| 20:19.25 | beandog | sure love em and leave em. |
| 20:22.54 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart beandog |
| 20:22.54 | ibot | smacks beandog up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 20:23.00 | wps | t-minus 18 hours until my 100 mile race |
| 20:23.06 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, hey that twitter last fm thingie is cool |
| 20:23.13 | wps | I hope it isn't pouring rain in the morning |
| 20:23.25 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 20:23.26 | ibot | executes killall -HUP herlo |
| 20:28.59 | beandog | man |
| 20:29.02 | beandog | both my bosses just left. |
| 20:29.07 | beandog | Now I can finally get some work done |
| 20:29.10 | wps | for the day or from the job? |
| 20:29.19 | beandog | for the day |
| 20:29.24 | wps | O |
| 20:29.33 | wps | I'd love a cruiser for riding around with the kids |
| 20:30.11 | influx | Huh. That's a first. |
| 20:30.25 | wps | oops⦠wrong app with focus |
| 20:30.59 | influx | I signed up with an e-mail marketing company (Similar to Emma and MailChimp) and just received a call from them to check up on me and see if I need any help with their system. |
| 20:32.18 | beandog | influx, nice |
| 20:33.29 | influx | Yeah. I hope this works out well. :) |
| 20:40.40 | beandog | man |
| 20:40.48 | beandog | when these websites say, "please try again", I dont think they had in mind |
| 20:41.09 | beandog | *had me |
| 20:59.42 | herlo | ~lart SunSparc |
| 20:59.42 | ibot | cuts off SunSparc's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 21:04.24 | herlo | :) |
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| 22:02.43 | Utah_Dave | :) I'm updating a Garmin Nuvi here at work and I have a screen right now saying "Loader loading..." |
| 22:03.47 | SunSparc | That sounds recursively recursive. |
| 22:04.03 | SunSparc | ~recursion |
| 22:04.04 | ibot | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion |
| 22:05.26 | Utah_Dave | yeah |
| 22:08.21 | fungus | ~recurse SunSparc |
| 22:08.22 | ibot | SunSparc: type ~recurse SunSparc to find out more |
| 22:08.50 | SunSparc | ~recurse SunSparc |
| 22:08.51 | ibot | SunSparc: type ~recurse SunSparc to find out more |
| 22:09.14 | SunSparc | Heh, ibot complained. :) |
| 22:11.10 | Dezertol | just runing some random reports on one of the sites I built |
| 22:11.22 | Dezertol | in the 3 months it's been up |
| 22:11.29 | Dezertol | there are 280,000 failed login attemtps |
| 22:11.38 | Dezertol | just makes me laugh |
| 22:12.11 | SunSparc | Wow, so bot popular. |
| 22:12.43 | Dezertol | 12,000 declined credit cards |
| 22:12.48 | Dezertol | net profit 5.5 mil |
| 22:12.55 | SunSparc | Nice! |
| 22:13.06 | Dezertol | it would be nice if it was my money |
| 22:13.12 | Dezertol | but I was only paid to build the site |
| 22:13.51 | Dezertol | they spike at about 60,000 visitors a day during the "open time" |
| 22:14.06 | SunSparc | Dezertol: Too bad you did not Hackerz it with a little fractional money acquisition app. |
| 22:14.08 | Dezertol | produce co-op so it's only open on monday and tuesday |
| 22:14.18 | Dezertol | lol |
| 22:14.19 | Dezertol | right |
| 22:14.22 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:14.29 | mindjuju | sunsparc, that's uh, not quite accurate |
| 22:14.41 | SunSparc | mindjuju: set me straight |
| 22:14.49 | mindjuju | you could say that was Superman III or Office Space |
| 22:14.56 | mindjuju | i don't remember that being in the case of Hackers |
| 22:15.10 | Dezertol | well not the movie hackers.. |
| 22:15.26 | Dezertol | and not sure you'd have to be a "hacker" if your the one writing the code in the first place |
| 22:15.29 | Dezertol | but point taken |
| 22:15.34 | SunSparc | Hmmm, I am pretty sure that main SysAdmin dood was doing that... |
| 22:15.46 | mindjuju | oh wait |
| 22:15.47 | Dezertol | "I don't want to go to a pound me in the a$$ prison" |
| 22:15.53 | mindjuju | yup, your right, the Plague |
| 22:16.02 | Dezertol | o.. right |
| 22:16.05 | Dezertol | the worm |
| 22:16.07 | SunSparc | Dezertol: heh |
| 22:16.13 | SunSparc | Yep, the worm |
| 22:16.13 | mindjuju | he was stealing the money, and then he had davinci to cover his track |
| 22:16.30 | mindjuju | my bad ;) |
| 22:16.36 | SunSparc | And that sweet 3d admin interface |
| 22:16.52 | Dezertol | it was a good movie.. but just sad that my Droid is more powerfull then everything in the show and everything used to make that show |
| 22:16.52 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:17.03 | mindjuju | i wish i had a 3d interface |
| 22:17.11 | SunSparc | hah, that is just cool. I love how fast technology advances. |
| 22:17.19 | Dezertol | ya.. |
| 22:17.20 | mindjuju | that instead of typing sudo nano /etc/apache2/whatever |
| 22:17.31 | mindjuju | i could float around in 3d land for like 5 minutes getting to the right file |
| 22:17.40 | Dezertol | LOL |
| 22:17.48 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Well you could at least use vim instead of nano ;P |
| 22:18.06 | Dezertol | I'd need a tron bike to zip around the san |
| 22:18.09 | mindjuju | vim = jedi master; nano = padawan |
| 22:18.21 | SunSparc | Dezertol: That would be sweet |
| 22:18.23 | SunSparc | mindjuju: heh |
| 22:18.41 | Dezertol | you ever read "snowcrash" |
| 22:18.52 | Dezertol | with the metaverse |
| 22:18.52 | mindjuju | stderr pointed me to some cool tuts, but i haven't had a chance to go through them all |
| 22:18.53 | SunSparc | I have heard it mentioned here, but still have not read it. |
| 22:19.22 | Dezertol | considering when it came out |
| 22:19.40 | Dezertol | it's got some really cool tech ideas |
| 22:19.58 | Dezertol | the black sun is a "virtual club" in the meta verse |
| 22:20.04 | Dezertol | all access via 3d goggles |
| 22:20.20 | Dezertol | where you walk around as an avatar in 3d space |
| 22:20.38 | Dezertol | if you get time you should read it.. it's up there on the list of books computer geeks need to read |
| 22:20.45 | mindjuju | is it blasphemous to say i finally got around to watching buckaroo bonzai and the 8th dimension, but it wasn't as good as i had hoped |
| 22:21.07 | mindjuju | it was good, it was good enough for a rewatch, but not cult status good |
| 22:21.17 | Dezertol | i've never herd of that but it sounds like a gay porn |
| 22:21.18 | mindjuju | like BTiLC |
| 22:21.54 | Dezertol | lol that was funny show |
| 22:22.00 | Dezertol | lopan |
| 22:22.13 | Dezertol | hitchers guide to the galaxy |
| 22:22.13 | mindjuju | i LOVE BTiLC, it's nearly the greatest movie evar |
| 22:22.44 | Dezertol | you can get the audio book for snowcrash |
| 22:23.09 | Dezertol | one of the tech items in the book are skateboards with "smart wheels" |
| 22:23.24 | Dezertol | that will auto adjust for speed and conditions on the fly |
| 22:24.01 | Dezertol | which come in handy when your "pooned" via a big magnet on a rope stuck to the back of a big rig doing 75 down the freeway |
| 22:24.15 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:24.26 | mindjuju | my balance isn't good enough for skateboarding |
| 22:24.35 | mindjuju | but i'm great at couch surfing |
| 22:24.38 | mindjuju | i'm a natural |
| 22:25.00 | Dezertol | my couch sucks.. |
| 22:25.09 | Dezertol | I need a new one.. before I take up that hobby again |
| 22:25.31 | SunSparc | Couch sucks... you in? Broken springs. |
| 22:25.44 | Dezertol | no just old.. padding is all flat and stuff |
| 22:26.10 | Dezertol | doesn't help that i'm pushing 265lbs |
| 22:26.19 | mindjuju | Dezertol - what are top 5 movies evar in your house? |
| 22:26.42 | Dezertol | well my top 5 are very different the the top 5 of the house |
| 22:26.53 | Dezertol | I have a 2 year old and a wife that doesn't like rated r movies |
| 22:27.06 | mindjuju | so your top 5 though |
| 22:27.20 | Dezertol | so.. I'll try to put them in order.. |
| 22:27.25 | Dezertol | The way of the gun |
| 22:27.31 | Dezertol | Snatch |
| 22:27.39 | SunSparc | what the... http://bit.ly/95kWUP |
| 22:27.40 | Dezertol | Boondock saints |
| 22:28.04 | Dezertol | pulp fiction |
| 22:28.14 | Dezertol | american beuity |
| 22:28.34 | stderr | the beginning of The Way of the Gun is one of the best movie beginnings in movie history |
| 22:28.42 | Dezertol | ya |
| 22:28.44 | Dezertol | it was |
| 22:29.00 | Dezertol | mostly I really liked that show becuase of how accurate the gun sceens where |
| 22:29.11 | Dezertol | the magizines emptied when they should |
| 22:29.17 | unum | ah |
| 22:29.22 | Dezertol | rovlvers didn't have unlimited ammo |
| 22:29.32 | mindjuju | stderr , what's your top 5? |
| 22:29.34 | Dezertol | they had to stop to put more shotgun rounds in |
| 22:29.35 | unum | I was going to ask if that meant bad people actually shot people |
| 22:29.49 | Dezertol | ya everyone got shot in that show |
| 22:29.53 | Dezertol | lol well almost everyone |
| 22:30.18 | Dezertol | but it was the closest to the real thing I've ever seen |
| 22:30.24 | unum | so many people think that if I have a gun in my hand then everyone does what I say |
| 22:30.30 | unum | because that's how it works in the movies |
| 22:30.42 | stderr | I dunno if Way of the Gun is very accurate in gun battles, but it's a decent movie |
| 22:30.45 | stderr | mindjuju: movies? hmmm |
| 22:31.29 | Dezertol | when compaired to other gun movies (die hard, leathel weapon) |
| 22:31.38 | Dezertol | they did the best job so far |
| 22:31.41 | stderr | Clockwork Orange, The Dark Knight, True Romance, John Carpenter's The Thing, and Blade Runner |
| 22:31.52 | Dezertol | not saying it's 100% accurate only that it's the best I've seen |
| 22:32.05 | mindjuju | my wife just saw the Thing the other day |
| 22:32.12 | stderr | Dezertol: try out the miniseries Generation Kill. Most accurate take on warfare ever. |
| 22:32.13 | mindjuju | that's an awesome movie |
| 22:32.19 | stderr | yea, it's pretty crazy |
| 22:32.55 | Dezertol | I really liked the dark knight |
| 22:33.00 | Dezertol | and blade runner |
| 22:33.15 | Dezertol | didn't care so much for clockwork orange |
| 22:33.18 | mindjuju | blade runner was good, and dark knight was good (but not as good as burton) |
| 22:33.22 | mindjuju | never saw clockwork |
| 22:33.30 | Dezertol | it's a bit out there |
| 22:33.59 | unum | good night and good luck, princess bride, canadian bacon, UHF, Juno |
| 22:34.20 | unum | hmmm I guess I'm not really a movie person |
| 22:34.22 | mindjuju | in that list, i've only seen prince bride and UHF |
| 22:34.24 | mindjuju | both great movies |
| 22:34.33 | unum | I had a hard time thinking of my favorite five |
| 22:34.44 | Dezertol | ya I've got a bunch I really like.. |
| 22:34.51 | unum | my wife is always suprised by how few movies I've seen |
| 22:34.51 | Dezertol | but top 5 is tough.. |
| 22:35.03 | unum | we both always tell the other we didn't watch movies growing up |
| 22:35.16 | unum | I didn't really start watching movies until the last 5 years |
| 22:36.15 | unum | I think I'm one of the few who like good night and good luck :) |
| 22:36.24 | unum | I enjoyed frost nixon as well |
| 22:36.25 | mindjuju | what is it? |
| 22:36.43 | unum | it's about a newcaster during the mccarthy era |
| 22:37.15 | Dezertol | I liked fight club |
| 22:37.35 | Dezertol | because you find out the guy is nutz |
| 22:37.45 | unum | edward murrow and his decision to talk about mccarth |
| 22:37.52 | unum | I liked fight club |
| 22:38.06 | SunSparc | I really enjoy KPAX. Always gets my mind going. |
| 22:38.23 | Dezertol | kevin stacy is just good |
| 22:38.25 | Dezertol | spacy |
| 22:38.28 | Dezertol | i mean |
| 22:38.34 | SunSparc | Dezertol: I agree. |
| 22:39.18 | Dezertol | he did a fantastic job in American Beauty |
| 22:39.22 | SunSparc | The Abyss is always a classic. The original Dune. |
| 22:39.28 | Dezertol | that show was awsome |
| 22:39.53 | Dezertol | Dune was good but.. I found it to be to slow.. at times to keep me interested |
| 22:40.27 | Dezertol | Christopher Walken is another one of them solid actors |
| 22:40.39 | SunSparc | Yeah, it can be a bit slow. It is better now that I have read the book. And I prefer the Directors extended version. |
| 22:40.43 | mgeary | what's that one with him where he's a crazy guy? |
| 22:40.44 | Dezertol | just does a great job no matter how crazy the role is |
| 22:40.46 | mgeary | Walken |
| 22:40.58 | unum | I'm embarrassed by how many bruce willis movies I like |
| 22:41.01 | mgeary | heh. all of them |
| 22:41.21 | Dezertol | 12 monkeys ;-) a good bruice willis crazy movie |
| 22:41.27 | SunSparc | unum: No worries, he is fun to watch. |
| 22:41.28 | mgeary | awesome show |
| 22:41.28 | Dezertol | has brad pit as a crzy guy to |
| 22:41.29 | unum | though surrogates makes me mad because I felt like it had som much potental |
| 22:42.13 | mgeary | oh, no, it was the one with Jack Black and the spray that gets rid of dog poo |
| 22:42.42 | mgeary | Envy |
| 22:43.02 | Dezertol | Suicide Kings |
| 22:43.05 | Dezertol | also a good show |
| 22:43.32 | Dezertol | LOL Jack Black.. |
| 22:43.38 | Dezertol | I like him but he's nutz |
| 22:43.56 | mgeary | hah. speaking of nuts. Have you guys seen that clip of Joaquin Phoenix on the Letterman Show? |
| 22:44.25 | mgeary | classic line: "Gee, Joaquin, i'm sorry you couldn't be here today" |
| 22:46.59 | stderr | oh Pineapple Express is pretty amazing too |
| 22:47.03 | stderr | and Knocked Up |
| 22:48.32 | mindjuju | i'm suprised nobody mentioned shaun of the dead or hot fuzz |
| 22:48.53 | stderr | oooh, good call |
| 22:48.57 | stderr | Hot Fuzz is amazing |
| 22:49.03 | stderr | I like Shaun of the Dead too but Hot Fuzz is much better |
| 22:49.08 | Dezertol | Time Rider |
| 22:49.09 | Dezertol | lol |
| 22:49.29 | Dezertol | one of my favs as a kid |
| 22:50.03 | stderr | The Adventures of Baron von Munchausen. Really good movie, too. |
| 22:50.29 | mindjuju | i can't wait for the last one in the hot fuzz series comes out |
| 22:50.37 | mindjuju | end of the world or something like that |
| 22:50.42 | mindjuju | i think it comes out this year |
| 22:50.51 | stderr | mindjuju: The World's End? |
| 22:50.59 | mindjuju | that's it! |
| 22:51.05 | mindjuju | doesn't that come out this year? |
| 22:51.08 | stderr | yea should be amazing. |
| 22:51.11 | stderr | Oh I dunno when it comes out |
| 22:51.32 | stderr | Have you seen Spaced, the BBC tv series where Simon Pegg, Edgar Wright, and Nick Frost all worked together the first time? |
| 22:51.57 | mindjuju | i actually didn't know about it until you mentioned it, and that man / woman is awesome |
| 22:52.09 | stderr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P7dileY9sY one of the best scenes in that series |
| 22:52.26 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.hulu.com/spaced |
| 22:53.12 | SunSparc | Ah yes, the Spaced Gun Fight. Legendary. |
| 22:55.19 | mindjuju | i've seen the first part, but not the second |
| 22:55.22 | mindjuju | this is awesome |
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| 22:56.41 | mgeary | so, i just saw Primer for the first time the other day |
| 22:56.57 | mindjuju | what's that? |
| 22:57.17 | mgeary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primer_(film) |
| 22:57.18 | mgeary | it's good |
| 22:57.24 | mgeary | but you've got to really try to follow along mentally |
| 22:57.36 | stderr | it's impossible to watch in one time and get it all |
| 22:57.40 | stderr | s/in/it |
| 22:57.42 | mgeary | One reviewer said that "anybody who claims [to] fully understand what's going on in Primer after seeing it just once is either a savant or a liar." |
| 23:01.12 | SunSparc | Hmmm... Primer sounds like one I NEED to see. |
| 23:02.24 | stderr | it's pretty mindblowing, I saw it at Sundance when it premiered. |
| 23:04.09 | SunSparc | $7000 budget. Nice. |
| 23:09.58 | stderr | if you want I can put up a copy for dl for ya SunSparc |
| 23:10.16 | SunSparc | Yes please! |
| 23:10.17 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:10.32 | stderr | alright, as soon as I get home I'll set it up |
| 23:10.33 | SunSparc | I was about to have my wife add it to our Netflix queue. |
| 23:10.58 | SunSparc | Thanks! |
| 23:11.01 | stderr | np man |
| 23:12.20 | stderr | mgeary: here's a detailed timeline to help unwrangle your brain (SPOILERS!!!) : http://www.freeweb.hu/neuwanstein/primer_timeline.jpg |
| 23:12.49 | fungus | thanks for the warning. I almost clicked |
| 23:13.15 | stderr | np I hate spoilers too. |
| 23:13.44 | stderr | bookmark it though - you'll need it. |
| 23:14.10 | stderr | there's nothing else in film that even approaches half of the complexity of Primer |
| 23:21.51 | SunSparc | Have a great weekend all! |
| 23:25.58 | stderr | don't call me white - don't caaaaallll me white |
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| 23:36.29 | Dezertol | is it sad that of the top 5 movies and all the other ones we talked about |
| 23:36.46 | Dezertol | none of them where Lord of the rings, starwars, harry potter |
| 23:36.48 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:37.01 | Dezertol | or even the matrix |
| 23:37.50 | Dezertol | all of which Liked.. but.. for reasons unknown.. no one brought them up |
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