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| 06:50.22 | undertakingyou | I don't know if anyone is awake, but I am having a devil of a time with some regexp stuff. http://pastebin.com/waEZXBE0 show what I am trying to use and what is failing it. |
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| 15:11.05 | macnewbold | morning undertakingyou - late night? re your regexp, the only suggestion I had was replacing /^\d{2}\-{1}\d{4}$/i with /^\d{2}-\d{4}$/i |
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| 15:32.58 | herlo | anyone around that can help me with a silly css problem?? |
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| 15:37.35 | SunSparc | Only serious css problems please. |
| 15:38.03 | SunSparc | What do you think we are, herlo, kids? |
| 15:38.25 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:38.26 | mgeary | hey, folks, apt-get install ntp, or apt-get install openntpd ? |
| 15:39.22 | SunSparc | Is openntpd part of the ntp package? |
| 15:39.36 | SunSparc | Or are they different time packages altogether? |
| 15:40.56 | herlo | SunSparc: okay, it's become more than silly |
| 15:41.09 | herlo | SunSparc: tell mey why this is happening |
| 15:41.11 | herlo | http://utosc.com/presentation/cat/17/ |
| 15:41.45 | herlo | the presentation list should be just below the updates, but it's near the bottom of the page for some odd reason... |
| 15:42.01 | SunSparc | Content is being pushed to the bottom of the page? |
| 15:42.05 | herlo | yes |
| 15:42.10 | SunSparc | Is that a floating div? |
| 15:42.24 | herlo | I've done come clear: both to futz around with it to no avail |
| 15:44.21 | DexterTheDragon | take the clear: both out |
| 15:45.50 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: doesn't help |
| 15:46.11 | DexterTheDragon | what browser are you using? |
| 15:46.26 | herlo | wait! |
| 15:46.33 | herlo | that never worked before! |
| 15:46.39 | herlo | ff 3.6 |
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| 15:47.02 | herlo | odd! thx DexterTheDragon |
| 15:47.03 | fungus | mgeary, openntpd is a very different daemon from the standard ntp daemon. |
| 15:47.23 | mgeary | fungus: i went with just ntp, hope that works |
| 15:47.32 | herlo | mgeary: ntp is a good protocol |
| 15:47.34 | fungus | yup works very well |
| 15:47.52 | fungus | OpenNTP is for the security paranoid. Made by the folks at OpenBSD |
| 15:47.53 | SunSparc | herlo: Take the clear's out of the classes. |
| 15:47.56 | mgeary | aha |
| 15:48.10 | SunSparc | Only use the clear's after the blocks that are being floated. |
| 15:49.12 | herlo | SunSparc: I don't understand that at all, it looks like english, but doesn't compute like english |
| 15:49.23 | SunSparc | Lol |
| 15:49.30 | fungus | IMHO NTP should be installed on every computer |
| 15:49.56 | mgeary | yeah, i was surprised to find it not there on the machine i was working on |
| 15:50.11 | SunSparc | herlo: In your show_presentations.css file, you have a class called ".presentation" |
| 15:50.28 | SunSparc | In that class you have "clear: both" |
| 15:50.50 | herlo | SunSparc: not any more |
| 15:51.09 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:51.21 | herlo | SunSparc: problem is http://utosc.com/presentation/audience/4/ |
| 15:51.26 | herlo | still persists |
| 15:52.33 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: any suggestions ^^ ?? |
| 15:52.37 | SunSparc | That is because that first section has macnewbold in it. Tags with macnewbold in it require more padding. |
| 15:53.54 | herlo | indeed |
| 15:54.01 | herlo | however, he won't always be at the top |
| 15:54.30 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: <div style="width:100%; clear:right;"> |
| 15:54.30 | herlo | and don't assume that just because he's macnewbold that he is infallible :) |
| 15:54.46 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: oh, that's what it is!! |
| 15:54.50 | macnewbold | huh? |
| 15:55.36 | macnewbold | i <3 padding |
| 15:55.38 | mindjuju | macnewbold, they say you're too thin and that you need more padding |
| 15:55.42 | macnewbold | wth? |
| 15:55.42 | herlo | mucho bettero DexterTheDragon |
| 15:55.45 | macnewbold | haven't seen me lately then |
| 15:55.48 | herlo | macnewbold: http://utosc.com/presentation/audience/4/ |
| 15:55.56 | herlo | you are at the top |
| 15:56.09 | herlo | macnewbold: http://utosc.com/presentation/cat/17/ |
| 15:56.11 | herlo | here you are not |
| 15:56.13 | herlo | :P |
| 15:56.49 | SunSparc | Dang, DexterTheDragon beat me to it. |
| 15:57.08 | SunSparc | I'll get you next time, Gadget. |
| 15:57.33 | herlo | lol |
| 15:57.36 | herlo | thanks you guys |
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| 15:57.50 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:58.15 | SunSparc | Whoa! It's wTrevyn. To what to be owe this great honor? |
| 15:58.27 | macnewbold | ~salute wTrevyn |
| 15:58.27 | ibot | ACTION shows wTrevyn how to count in binary on his fingers... then stops conspiciously on the number 4 |
| 15:58.31 | macnewbold | doh |
| 15:58.32 | macnewbold | wrong salute |
| 15:58.33 | wTrevyn | SunSparc: :P |
| 15:58.50 | SunSparc | macnewbold: lol |
| 15:58.52 | mindjuju | wTrevyn has come to gloat about his ubercool MAME aracade |
| 15:59.01 | mindjuju | pics on FB |
| 15:59.03 | wTrevyn | mindjuju: lol, no |
| 15:59.12 | wTrevyn | Im begging for work acctually :) |
| 15:59.47 | wTrevyn | mindjuju: but yes the Arcade is inside now |
| 15:59.48 | mindjuju | ** for a moment, even the crickets stop chirping ** |
| 16:00.01 | wTrevyn | my 3.5 year old plays it the most |
| 16:00.01 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:00.28 | macnewbold | we need to finish our mame... |
| 16:00.36 | macnewbold | cabinet is all built, but we don't have the controls on it yet... |
| 16:00.50 | mindjuju | after macnewbold's success coup d'etat of #UPHPU, I've been out of the look on contracts and jobs |
| 16:00.52 | mindjuju | :( |
| 16:00.54 | wTrevyn | macnewbold: I went with the x-arcade thing |
| 16:01.14 | mindjuju | oops, out of the loop, not out of the look |
| 16:02.32 | mindjuju | wTrevyn, what kind of contracts / work you looking for? |
| 16:03.06 | wTrevyn | mindjuju: any LAMP stuff |
| 16:03.22 | mindjuju | contract or full time? |
| 16:03.28 | wTrevyn | contract |
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| 16:04.21 | mindjuju | if i see anything, i'll pass it your way, but truly haven't seen anything since i stepped down |
| 16:04.42 | mindjuju | El Presidente por la vida, Senior Macnewbold, he may know |
| 16:05.10 | herlo | mindjuju: I don't think there has been anything, really. |
| 16:05.34 | mindjuju | that could explain it :) |
| 16:06.43 | mindjuju | wTrevyn, i'm guessing your on the job list, etc? |
| 16:06.44 | macnewbold | i haven't heard anything new either |
| 16:06.51 | macnewbold | the job list is most of what I see / hear about |
| 16:07.01 | wTrevyn | yeah I read the job list |
| 16:07.41 | wTrevyn | herlo: hows your job treating you? |
| 16:07.46 | wTrevyn | got all the fires put out? |
| 16:08.41 | herlo | wTrevyn: doing okay |
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| 16:33.50 | undertakingyou | macnewbold: Yes, very late night. |
| 16:34.03 | undertakingyou | Still had to be at work at 8:30 AM. Went to bed at 2:30 AM |
| 16:34.58 | undertakingyou | I finally figured out what was happening. My regex was fine and was passing the whole time. What wasn't working was my brain. I didn't have an if statement to say what to do upon failure or passing. |
| 16:35.07 | undertakingyou | Next time, I will drink a bunch of coke. |
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| 17:08.58 | macnewbold | undertakingyou: i've had plenty of times where i've had similar stuff happen to me too |
| 17:09.11 | macnewbold | or to others around me, like today: |
| 17:09.31 | macnewbold | client migrated servers last week, and now they're reporting that they're having orders fulfilled that they can't find in their system |
| 17:09.49 | macnewbold | turns out that somewhere someone set them up with an internal dns server that is forcing them to hit the old site still, so all the new orders aren't there... |
| 17:10.38 | undertakingyou | AHHH! bummer. |
| 17:12.11 | macnewbold | as soon as I asked if they could see any orders since the switchover, it was a dead giveaway... |
| 17:12.28 | macnewbold | but nobody has any idea who would have set that dns up taht way, so that it ignored their real dns servers |
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| 17:22.08 | undertakingyou | Of course, since it is a website issue it is your fault, regardless of the fact you had nothing to do with it. |
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| 20:36.02 | josephscott | macnewbold: on Thursday afternoon I probably won't make it over there until 5pm, will someone still be around? |
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| 20:48.00 | noobbbb | hi all :) |
| 20:48.22 | thebigdog | afternoon |
| 20:51.14 | noobbbb | mmmmm do you know how to use md5 |
| 20:51.22 | noobbbb | I need it but dont know how to use it |
| 20:51.52 | jsmith | Sure... what do you need to use it for? |
| 20:52.39 | noobbbb | for example if I send a confirmation email |
| 20:52.51 | noobbbb | I need to have it encrypted with md5 |
| 20:53.02 | noobbbb | and also with passwords for users of this website.... |
| 20:53.16 | noobbbb | I also need them encrypted |
| 20:53.27 | noobbbb | And I think md5 is right thing to use, yes? |
| 20:57.05 | unum | for the passwords it's a good option |
| 20:57.30 | unum | md5 is not an encryption |
| 20:57.34 | unum | it's a hash |
| 20:57.39 | noobbbb | ok..... |
| 20:57.40 | unum | someone correct me if I'm wrong |
| 20:57.58 | unum | but a hash is one directional |
| 20:58.12 | noobbbb | ok.......... |
| 20:58.33 | noobbbb | so there is no UNMD5('3498nc987wi34cawlkehfnefnkjlam') |
| 20:58.34 | unum | if someone needs to be able to decode it you should use public key encryption like pgp |
| 20:58.39 | unum | exactly |
| 20:59.05 | unum | so they give you their new password, you hash it you store it |
| 20:59.12 | noobbbb | great |
| 20:59.18 | noobbbb | and later when he wants to log in |
| 20:59.19 | noobbbb | ??? |
| 20:59.19 | unum | then when they go to log in you hash the password and compare it to the data in the table |
| 20:59.25 | noobbbb | wow, cool |
| 20:59.26 | noobbbb | thanks |
| 20:59.46 | noobbbb | can i buy you a beer |
| 20:59.47 | noobbbb | ? |
| 20:59.49 | noobbbb | :) |
| 21:00.07 | noobbbb | yes, also I wanted to ask you another thing with md5 |
| 21:00.12 | unum | a virtual one :) |
| 21:00.14 | unum | sure |
| 21:00.22 | noobbbb | a friend told me it can also be used....LOL.....to hash the session |
| 21:00.35 | unum | hash the session? |
| 21:00.38 | unum | not sure what he means |
| 21:00.41 | noobbbb | hm....yeah |
| 21:01.01 | noobbbb | yeah and about that salt variable |
| 21:01.05 | unum | maybe the session id |
| 21:01.08 | noobbbb | I heard of that too.... |
| 21:01.15 | noobbbb | ok session id |
| 21:01.23 | noobbbb | .... |
| 21:01.40 | noobbbb | well why would I hash the session id anyway.... |
| 21:01.46 | unum | when you salt a hash you are basically making it so all the values are store at the same length in the database |
| 21:02.03 | DexterTheDragon | unum: no |
| 21:02.18 | unum | DexterTheDragon: it's been a while I guess things have gone fuzzy |
| 21:02.20 | DexterTheDragon | salting helps prevent rainbow cracking |
| 21:02.25 | unum | what's the salt for again? |
| 21:02.39 | noobbbb | and whats rainbow crackin |
| 21:02.40 | noobbbb | ? |
| 21:03.04 | noobbbb | dexter |
| 21:03.19 | DexterTheDragon | you have a table of common password hashes |
| 21:03.29 | noobbbb | common? |
| 21:03.38 | noobbbb | what do you mean by common? |
| 21:03.46 | noobbbb | ok ok..... |
| 21:03.50 | unum | passwords that people commonly use |
| 21:03.52 | unum | like password |
| 21:04.01 | unum | and tom |
| 21:04.08 | unum | ok I don't know if that's common |
| 21:04.10 | DexterTheDragon | the salt takes a common password like '123456' and when you add the salt you have a password like '123456286755fad04869ca523320acce0dc6a4' |
| 21:04.12 | unum | but there are lists |
| 21:04.37 | DexterTheDragon | so that when its hashed it not a common hash that comes up |
| 21:05.17 | noobbbb | ok but a regular+hash |
| 21:05.17 | unum | so the salt adds garbage to the password |
| 21:05.25 | unum | but only adds it in certain cases? |
| 21:05.30 | unum | it doesn't alway add the salt |
| 21:05.42 | unum | nm I understand now |
| 21:05.43 | noobbbb | isnt that garbage md5 hash of the password |
| 21:05.46 | unum | it always adds the salt |
| 21:06.19 | jsmith | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29 |
| 21:06.32 | noobbbb | tx |
| 21:07.49 | unum | so if they get your salt they can generate a list of common passwords using it, but that's extra work |
| 21:08.06 | jsmith | Correct |
| 21:08.11 | jsmith | So use a long salt, and keep it secret |
| 21:09.08 | unum | noobbbb: so does that all make sense about how you store the password? |
| 21:09.38 | unum | now of course if you're sending this over http someone can sniff it there |
| 21:10.06 | unum | and if you email it back to them it, it can of course be read at many levels |
| 21:10.42 | noobbbb | unum yes, I got that now |
| 21:10.52 | noobbbb | not anything about the salt yet, though |
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| 21:23.13 | unum | noobbbb: are you reading the article jsmith linked to? |
| 21:24.34 | noobbbb | unum yeah |
| 21:26.59 | unum | is it making sense? |
| 21:27.09 | noobbbb | and how else do you think i can send it other than http |
| 21:27.13 | noobbbb | thats buggin me a bit |
| 21:27.18 | unum | https |
| 21:27.19 | noobbbb | but cant learn everything at once |
| 21:27.31 | noobbbb | ok...... |
| 21:27.57 | noobbbb | how can I use https instead of http? |
| 21:28.29 | noobbbb | is there a way in php to do that, yes? |
| 21:28.45 | unum | it's dependant on your webserver |
| 21:28.45 | noobbbb | I actually never sent an email in hphp thats my problem :) |
| 21:29.02 | unum | you can't send an email with http |
| 21:29.09 | unum | php has a few ways to do it |
| 21:29.12 | noobbbb | i mean with mail(....) func |
| 21:29.33 | unum | but you can not send email with https |
| 21:31.16 | unum | let me clarify, do your plans require sending a secure email to someone? |
| 21:32.06 | noobbbb | dunno if it is better, then yes |
| 21:32.18 | noobbbb | dunno, if it is better then yes * |
| 21:32.22 | unum | it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay complicated |
| 21:32.26 | unum | you don't want to do it |
| 21:32.36 | unum | no one will use your app if it requires them to do it |
| 21:32.47 | noobbbb | ok then I wont :) |
| 21:33.47 | noobbbb | n where u from? |
| 21:33.50 | unum | did we answer all your questions then? |
| 21:33.52 | noobbbb | ok neva mind that |
| 21:33.59 | noobbbb | yes thanks |
| 21:39.45 | noobbbb | srand function |
| 21:39.48 | noobbbb | what is it for |
| 21:39.59 | noobbbb | resetting some value for rand() function, yes? |
| 21:40.02 | noobbbb | some seed |
| 21:40.40 | noobbbb | ? |
| 21:41.11 | unum | php.net |
| 21:41.17 | unum | I can never remember stuff like that |
| 21:41.21 | DexterTheDragon | http://us3.php.net/srand |
| 21:42.05 | noobbbb | yeah i was right |
| 21:42.06 | noobbbb | tx |
| 21:42.33 | noobbbb | u just give it a microtime() |
| 21:42.37 | noobbbb | yeah... |
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| 21:46.19 | thebigdog | as of php4 you dont need to seed it though |
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| 21:54.05 | beandog | mo'nin |
| 21:58.04 | beandog | huh, thats interesting |
| 21:58.12 | beandog | shift + insert pastes the clipboard in xchat. |
| 21:58.56 | ninnypants | hey beandog |
| 21:59.04 | beandog | ninnypants, heyo hows it |
| 21:59.23 | ninnypants | pretty good |
| 21:59.30 | ninnypants | for you? |
| 21:59.36 | beandog | pooped. |
| 21:59.52 | fungus | rake smdr:import_file ~/smdr090.log |
| 22:00.00 | fungus | oh hey, it does paste it. |
| 22:00.01 | ninnypants | me too actually I haven't really slept in about a week |
| 22:00.12 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/developer-dispatch-star-wars/702874 |
| 22:00.34 | beandog | ooh videos |
| 22:00.40 | beandog | now I remember why I come in here :D |
| 22:01.04 | beandog | thats some cool art |
| 22:01.56 | beandog | that guy has some weird underwear. |
| 22:04.18 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, it looks just like kotor2 |
| 22:04.48 | DexterTheDragon | and full of awesome |
| 22:05.02 | beandog | aye |
| 22:06.06 | beandog | is it out yet? |
| 22:06.19 | DexterTheDragon | next year |
| 22:06.27 | beandog | buh |
| 22:06.28 | beandog | way to tease. |
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| 23:39.59 | mgeary | hey fungus |
| 23:40.09 | fungus | hey mgeary |
| 23:40.11 | mgeary | so, i set up ntpd on a machine this morning, as you noted |
| 23:40.44 | mgeary | but it's somehow moved *forward* in time when it should have moved backwards |
| 23:40.54 | mgeary | date currently reports Sep 1 |
| 23:40.56 | mgeary | 2010 |
| 23:41.15 | mgeary | what might be causing that? |
| 23:41.21 | fungus | ntp won't change the time if it's too far off |
| 23:41.26 | mgeary | ah |
| 23:41.37 | fungus | The daemon's only purpose is to keep the clock on track |
| 23:41.52 | herlo | date -s "Tue Aug 17 2010 17:40:00" :) |
| 23:41.55 | herlo | or something like that |
| 23:41.56 | fungus | use ntpdate to set it the first time, then ntpd to run always after that |
| 23:42.01 | mgeary | well, one weird thing is that it's clock is somehow accelerated |
| 23:42.04 | herlo | or ntpdate :) |
| 23:42.22 | fungus | `ntpdate time.nist.gov` |
| 23:42.23 | mgeary | i hit "date" on the cli twice in a row, in less than a second, and i see a 2-second difference |
| 23:42.27 | herlo | mgeary: ntp will speed up the clock or slow it down to correct time so there isn't clock skew |
| 23:42.36 | mgeary | right |
| 23:42.41 | herlo | but only if it's semi-close |
| 23:42.41 | mgeary | but it's going in the wrong direction |
| 23:43.02 | herlo | drift is measured in milliseconds iirc |
| 23:43.07 | fungus | mgeary, ntp doesn't do anything if it's more than a few minutes off |
| 23:43.19 | mgeary | weird |
| 23:43.33 | fungus | just stop NTP, run ntpdate, then start ntp |
| 23:43.44 | herlo | fungus: you do have your own time server in-house? don't you? |
| 23:43.47 | mgeary | ok |
| 23:43.55 | fungus | herlo, yup |
| 23:43.55 | mgeary | i just ran ntpdate and it's happy now |
| 23:44.04 | herlo | fungus: us too |
| 23:44.19 | mgeary | however, "date" still seems to indicate that the clock is going way too fast |
| 23:44.28 | mgeary | could something else be influencing that? |
| 23:44.35 | fungus | mgeary, did you start ntpd *after* running ntpdate |
| 23:44.44 | mgeary | i stopped ntpd first |
| 23:45.04 | ninnypants | where's a good place to learn about smtp with php? I've found some stuff on google, but is there a recomended place? |
| 23:45.47 | fungus | ninnypants, IMHO, using smtp with php is unnecessary, using the built-in mail() routines is usually sufficient |
| 23:46.07 | herlo | mail() calls sendmail which uses smtp properly |
| 23:46.12 | herlo | 99.5% of the time |
| 23:46.34 | fungus | mgeary, after starting ntpd it takes about 30 seconds to "sync" |
| 23:46.44 | fungus | you can watch it's progress using `ntpq -p` |
| 23:47.22 | herlo | its |
| 23:47.43 | ninnypants | what about for retrieving? |
| 23:47.55 | fungus | ~mock herlo |
| 23:47.56 | ibot | ACTION pulls herlo's pants down and shows the world herlo's pink spotted underwear |
| 23:48.13 | fungus | ninnypants, smtp is not for retrieving, it's a sending protocol |
| 23:48.22 | herlo | ninnypants: imap, pop3 |
| 23:48.23 | fungus | and that it's was correct. so there! |
| 23:48.50 | ninnypants | oh ok I was thinking smtp was used for both thanks guys |
| 23:48.57 | herlo | polk-a-dots is what they are really called |
| 23:49.04 | herlo | ninnypants: nw, just keeping you straight! |
| 23:49.44 | fungus | http://us.php.net/imap is a pretty decent implementation, even if it's a bit hairy |
| 23:50.00 | ninnypants | yeah looking at that now |
| 23:50.18 | ninnypants | I'm feelin like playing with something new and thought it might be fun |
| 23:50.50 | fungus | http://pear.php.net/package/Mail_IMAPv2 |
| 23:50.56 | fungus | might be worth looking into as well |
| 23:51.27 | fungus | the Pear package abstracts some of the hairy-ness from the php extension |
| 23:51.48 | ninnypants | ok cool I'll give that a look too |
| 23:52.04 | ninnypants | well better take the dogs out thanks guys |
| 23:54.03 | mgeary | fungus: http://dpaste.com/230384/ |
| 23:54.30 | mgeary | just got an email "timestamp too far in the future" |
| 23:55.13 | fungus | was that after starting it for a while, or very quickly after starting it? |
| 23:55.28 | mgeary | after starting it for a while |
| 23:55.31 | mgeary | i think |
| 23:55.50 | fungus | hmm, your clock must be too far off for even ntp to keep it in check then |
| 23:56.32 | mgeary | i just stopped it, ran ntpdate -u and started it again |
| 23:57.07 | mgeary | so, the datetime is now correct, but the clock is still moving 4-5 seconds forward for every real second |
| 23:57.19 | mgeary | insane |
| 23:57.32 | mgeary | so now it's 2 minutes in the future again |
| 23:57.53 | fungus | could be a hardware issue, or a kernel clock config problem. |
| 23:58.24 | fungus | and unless you like to go tweaking sysctl and kernel modules, that's unlikely |
| 23:59.51 | mgeary | well, i didn't set up the machine |
| 23:59.57 | mgeary | though i think it's a virtual machine |