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| 15:04.20 | herlo | the macnewbold house! |
| 15:04.21 | macnewbold | woot! |
| 15:04.42 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:05.06 | mindjuju | sup there macnewbold |
| 15:05.16 | macnewbold | not too much |
| 15:05.29 | macnewbold | hey herlo - was there a utos board meeting scheduled for next thursday? cause that's uphpu day. |
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| 15:06.01 | mindjuju | macnewbold, did you ever get ryan stewart to commit for august? |
| 15:06.13 | mindjuju | err, actually, now that i think about it, utahcon was going to present |
| 15:06.16 | mindjuju | on zend |
| 15:06.26 | mindjuju | for aug |
| 15:07.08 | macnewbold | yeah, right |
| 15:07.22 | macnewbold | ryan stewart has been a bum, so i've had some votes not to reschedule him |
| 15:07.33 | macnewbold | he hasn't been in touch with me since he bailed on the last one |
| 15:07.40 | mindjuju | what a dog |
| 15:09.03 | macnewbold | we ought to tell him to save the presentation, but he can still come buy everyone food at applebees |
| 15:09.12 | macnewbold | then we might forgive him a little |
| 15:09.33 | mindjuju | applebees, yum! |
| 15:09.45 | macnewbold | mindjuju, you going to be able to come to this month's meeting? |
| 15:10.10 | utahcon | oh yeah |
| 15:10.14 | utahcon | I remember that now |
| 15:10.20 | utahcon | I should probably prepare something |
| 15:10.28 | mindjuju | i thin kthat I could come up |
| 15:10.35 | mindjuju | especially for after hours partay |
| 15:10.43 | mindjuju | i could use a break |
| 15:11.01 | mindjuju | just teasing ya utahcon |
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| 15:12.52 | mindjuju | i wonder if adobe is going to migrate everything over to Utah? |
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| 15:20.56 | utahcon | mindjuju: just what they want to underpay devs for |
| 15:24.58 | mindjuju | with the exception of Toys 'R Us, i usually shop at the cheapest price possible |
| 15:25.16 | utahcon | lol |
| 15:25.19 | utahcon | I always do |
| 15:25.28 | utahcon | which explains why I frequent Walmart so much |
| 15:25.29 | mindjuju | so why shouldn't business? |
| 15:25.34 | utahcon | stupid cheap walmart |
| 15:25.51 | utahcon | mindjuju: I am not against the practice. I'd rather people be underpaid than not paid |
| 15:26.02 | utahcon | just saying, that is why they are coming here... we are chea |
| 15:26.04 | utahcon | cheap |
| 15:26.20 | mindjuju | ah, true that. i took a pay cut to move here |
| 15:26.22 | mindjuju | :( |
| 15:26.54 | mindjuju | i've since gained it back and then some, but it was a bit of a pinch to mvoe to "High Desert Wasteland" |
| 15:26.56 | mindjuju | aka utah |
| 15:27.19 | mindjuju | the mountains are pretty enough, but i miss trees |
| 15:27.30 | utahcon | I love High Desert Wasteland... |
| 15:27.32 | utahcon | ;) |
| 15:27.44 | utahcon | I hear you about tress |
| 15:27.45 | utahcon | trees |
| 15:27.50 | utahcon | stupid ergo keyboard |
| 15:28.06 | utahcon | the few weeks I was in Florida I remembered what foliage was |
| 15:28.15 | mindjuju | oh man, florida is awesome |
| 15:28.24 | mindjuju | i lived in wpb for a few months |
| 15:28.56 | utahcon | I know :D |
| 15:29.31 | SunSparc | People who shop by price only drive quality down. |
| 15:29.52 | mindjuju | true |
| 15:29.54 | SunSparc | The market responds and gives you what you want. |
| 15:30.11 | utahcon | SunSparc: I would like to think that I buy the best and cheapest |
| 15:30.20 | utahcon | but ultimately the cheapest is what I am looking for |
| 15:31.02 | SunSparc | Looking for the least expensive quality is not bad. |
| 15:31.16 | mindjuju | it was during a convo with mgeary that I decided to stop buying toys from wally world and get them at toys r us or another dedicated toy store, if for nothing more than to give Corban the experience of going to a place dedicated for toys, where you can actually try them out |
| 15:32.04 | mindjuju | instead of a few measily asiles in a loud understocked store |
| 15:32.16 | utahcon | mindjuju: not a bad idea |
| 15:32.42 | mindjuju | we have a toys r us like 2 minutes from the house, it's nice to just walk through and see all the options |
| 15:33.00 | SunSparc | However, if customers were demanding the best quality, the market would shift back to making great products and price would be a secondary factor that. |
| 15:33.12 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Toy'r'Us is great for that. |
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| 15:45.54 | Utah_Dave | Ugh, I hate MS Access |
| 15:46.21 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:46.26 | SunSparc | Stop using it. |
| 15:48.11 | Utah_Dave | I wish I could |
| 15:48.38 | Utah_Dave | I got a half finished access database project dumped in my lap when a guy quit |
| 15:58.42 | utahcon | database and MS Access shouldn't be allowed in the same sentence. |
| 15:58.52 | utahcon | with exception for the previous and following statements |
| 15:59.00 | utahcon | MS Access is not a proper database. |
| 16:00.16 | Utah_Dave | Tell me about it. |
| 16:06.17 | mindjuju | anybody here done cableing ? |
| 16:06.42 | wps | I created my first cat5 cable last week |
| 16:07.39 | SunSparc | wps: congrats |
| 16:07.42 | wps | well, not created a cable⦠terminated a cable |
| 16:07.56 | SunSparc | mindjuju: what kind of cabling. |
| 16:08.06 | SunSparc | I have run power and ethernet around my house. |
| 16:08.08 | wps | bought one of the tools and put the connects on the ends of the cat5 that was wired in my house |
| 16:08.23 | wps | â¦to wire up my home network |
| 16:08.35 | SunSparc | Good times |
| 16:08.41 | mindjuju | @fungus, @herlo -- here is the deal |
| 16:08.55 | mindjuju | the company is creating a new office |
| 16:09.13 | mindjuju | and its going to have 4 ~ 5 drops |
| 16:09.25 | mindjuju | it's about 400 feet from t he server room |
| 16:09.58 | fungus | max distance for CAT-5 is 328 Feet |
| 16:10.03 | fungus | or 100 meters |
| 16:10.07 | mindjuju | yeah, but that may be a good thing |
| 16:10.11 | fungus | Gotta run fiber |
| 16:10.15 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:10.20 | SunSparc | Or Cat6 |
| 16:10.40 | mindjuju | fungus, i was thinking about that |
| 16:10.43 | fungus | cat6 has same distance limitation |
| 16:10.49 | mindjuju | here is why |
| 16:10.57 | fungus | Run fiber to a switch in the office, then run drops from switch |
| 16:10.58 | mindjuju | by the way, this is in a warehouse |
| 16:11.59 | mindjuju | so, there is another portion of the warehouse that goes in the same general direction, and the last guy just ran a couple of cat 5e cables from the server room directly to about 12 drops in a different location for a different purpose |
| 16:12.16 | mindjuju | and those computers are seeing some congestion, i was thinking if I brought fiber to a central location |
| 16:12.29 | mindjuju | and then run 6 from that central junction to both locations |
| 16:12.35 | cro | mindjuju: You should check your switch ports, I bet your error rates are really high for those drops |
| 16:12.37 | fungus | Good idea |
| 16:12.51 | mindjuju | i could reduce congestion to the 12 drop area, and string out new cat 6 to the new office |
| 16:13.11 | mindjuju | cro, i haven't been out there to test, but i'm sure your right |
| 16:14.50 | mindjuju | so fungus, what kind of fiber am i looking for? |
| 16:14.50 | mindjuju | plus, i've heard working with fiber is hard, es true? |
| 16:15.07 | fungus | It is hard if you are doing your own cable creation |
| 16:15.10 | fungus | very hard. |
| 16:15.18 | fungus | very expensive special tools |
| 16:15.25 | mindjuju | cat5e and 6 and i'm good with, but i've never touched fiber |
| 16:15.26 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 16:15.48 | fungus | For a run like that, get a contractor |
| 16:15.57 | SunSparc | Agreed |
| 16:16.15 | SunSparc | We have a contractor do all our drops. |
| 16:16.49 | mindjuju | so fungus, would would happen if I ran say a couple cat 6 from the server room to an aggregator ? |
| 16:17.12 | fungus | aggregator? |
| 16:17.24 | fungus | patch panel? |
| 16:17.53 | mindjuju | can't you get special switches that combine upstream? |
| 16:18.17 | fungus | Oh for link aggregation. yes |
| 16:18.30 | fungus | Don't need "special" switches. almost any Cisco will do |
| 16:18.59 | fungus | But that doesn't solve or help with your distance issues. |
| 16:19.12 | fungus | Just bandwidth issues |
| 16:20.26 | mindjuju | well, it does in that if i take a couple cat 6 from the server and put it to the aggregator (about 200 ft away from server) then from the agg to the office, about 200ft |
| 16:20.45 | fungus | lol |
| 16:20.51 | mindjuju | no es good idea? |
| 16:20.59 | fungus | The link aggregation doesn't help that at all |
| 16:21.19 | fungus | If you put a switch half way between, even with one link. It would work |
| 16:21.46 | fungus | But that's a bit hackish. |
| 16:22.00 | fungus | Do you not have the budget for a fiber run? |
| 16:22.16 | herlo | $3 |
| 16:22.20 | herlo | do it! |
| 16:22.45 | mindjuju | truth told, i'm not sure what the cost would be |
| 16:22.49 | mindjuju | just looking at options |
| 16:22.56 | fungus | get a quote |
| 16:23.19 | fungus | Put together a floor plan indicating endpoints, and consult a contractor |
| 16:24.20 | fungus | Also, consider that running 4 or 5 fibers to the same place doesn't cost much more than a single pair |
| 16:24.34 | fungus | So consider this when choosing your new wire closet location |
| 16:25.21 | fungus | And make sure you consider cost of new switches, fiber GBICs, etc. |
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| 16:32.43 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I got a guy who's really good at wiring jobs like that |
| 16:41.25 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://soundcloud.com/trampa/daleks |
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| 16:56.47 | supernovia | oh hey PoeticIntensity |
| 16:58.19 | PoeticIntensity | hidely-ho, neighbor! |
| 17:13.23 | TuxToaster | supernovia: how was California? ;-) |
| 17:13.36 | supernovia | hehe, dark |
| 17:13.54 | supernovia | my sister was driving with me and she just wanted to drive through the night |
| 17:14.26 | supernovia | I wished we could have stayed and cruised around on route 66 a little though - that's a fun road |
| 17:14.56 | TuxToaster | hehe |
| 17:15.03 | TuxToaster | about to drive over there this weekend. |
| 17:15.05 | supernovia | AZ was nice. We had thunderstorms mostly |
| 17:15.06 | TuxToaster | going to be fun |
| 17:15.08 | supernovia | yeah? |
| 17:15.10 | supernovia | cool :) |
| 17:15.15 | supernovia | I super love road trips |
| 17:16.20 | TuxToaster | haven't gone on one in a long time. Practically since my honeymoon. |
| 17:16.34 | TuxToaster | been to family reunions in Moab but that doesn't count :-) |
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| 17:17.23 | supernovia | wow. I have to go on a road trip at least once a year or I go nuts |
| 17:19.30 | TuxToaster | yeah my boss and I had a deal regarding an uber important project for one of our customers... so he paid for my family to go to Disneyland. |
| 17:19.59 | TuxToaster | which is nice because then I didn't have to worry about trying to get time off, it's more or less required. hehe. |
| 17:20.28 | josephscott | TuxToaster: nice! |
| 17:25.16 | unum | I took a week long trip a week after my honeymoon :) |
| 17:25.38 | unum | it was a nice 5 days back packing trip in the back country of yellowstone |
| 17:25.50 | unum | it's nice to unplug every once in a while |
| 17:25.58 | TuxToaster | josephscott: yup. I was surprised he actually went through with it, waited it out and didn't say anything to family until it was all paid for and settled. |
| 17:26.03 | TuxToaster | My kid still has no idea. |
| 17:26.34 | TuxToaster | so we're going to go see my dad in St. George on Friday, and then go over to Vegas on Saturday, and then tell him we are going home. |
| 17:26.41 | TuxToaster | and see how long it takes before he thinks something is up. |
| 18:27.24 | ninnypants | anyone that can check some wordpress code for me around? |
| 18:27.44 | josephscott | ninnypants: ? |
| 18:27.51 | josephscott | ninnypants: coming to WordCamp Utah? |
| 18:28.15 | ninnypants | planning on it |
| 18:28.55 | josephscott | ninnypants: cool, what was the WP question? |
| 18:29.06 | ninnypants | http://ninnypants.pastebin.com/BGukU2q6 |
| 18:29.39 | ninnypants | so I'm regestering thes sidebars but only the last one shows up in wp-admin |
| 18:29.47 | josephscott | no ids |
| 18:29.51 | josephscott | http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/register_sidebar |
| 18:30.19 | josephscott | I'm not sure that is the problem, but that is what jumped out at me |
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| 18:31.33 | ninnypants | that did it |
| 18:31.41 | ninnypants | thanks |
| 18:32.02 | josephscott | np |
| 18:33.33 | ninnypants | why do you think it caused problems? cause they defaulted to the same id? |
| 18:34.04 | josephscott | probably used the blank string as the id |
| 18:34.09 | josephscott | which means the last one won |
| 18:34.52 | ninnypants | ok makes sense |
| 18:35.11 | ninnypants | I thought it was just the id that was added to the html |
| 19:10.25 | ninnypants | josephscott: you got another sec? |
| 19:10.39 | josephscott | yep |
| 19:11.39 | ninnypants | http://ninnypants.pastebin.com/Mf41ZtS3 |
| 19:11.49 | ninnypants | ok so I'm setting up my navs for this theme |
| 19:12.44 | ninnypants | they show up in the admin and I can build them and set them to a location but they don't show up they just go to the default |
| 19:13.24 | josephscott | what doesn't show up? |
| 19:13.46 | ninnypants | the nav I built |
| 19:14.14 | ninnypants | it shows the default page nav instead of the custom nav |
| 19:14.44 | josephscott | k |
| 19:16.47 | josephscott | shouldn't it be targeting one of the navs you registered? |
| 19:16.55 | josephscott | 'primary', 'secondary', 'footer' ? |
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| 19:18.18 | ninnypants | is it not? I thought that was what theme_location did |
| 19:18.35 | josephscott | let me double check |
| 19:19.18 | josephscott | I think you are right |
| 19:19.26 | josephscott | did you go through these pages already? http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/wp_nav_menu |
| 19:19.31 | josephscott | http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/register_nav_menus |
| 19:20.53 | ninnypants | yep |
| 19:22.03 | josephscott | should be an associated array |
| 19:22.37 | josephscott | array( 'primary' => __( 'Primary Menu' ), 'secondary' => __( 'Secondary Menu' ) .... |
| 19:23.15 | ninnypants | ahh ok I was thinking it could just be the name if you didn't want to give a description |
| 19:23.51 | josephscott | might, I haven't tested, but code that expects associative could break without one |
| 19:25.10 | josephscott | ninnypants: try that, let me know if that fixes it |
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| 19:42.07 | ninnypants | josephscott: no luck |
| 19:42.17 | josephscott | odd |
| 19:43.11 | ninnypants | yeah I can't find any reason why it wouldn't work though |
| 19:43.12 | josephscott | any luck with the various tutorials out there? |
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| 19:45.55 | ninnypants | josephscott: not really I haven't found any good ones |
| 19:46.36 | josephscott | http://thinkvitamin.com/dev/getting-started-with-wordpress-custom-menus/ ? |
| 19:47.07 | ninnypants | haven't seen that one |
| 19:49.23 | josephscott | it gives just the basics |
| 19:49.25 | ninnypants | had to have the menu attribute set |
| 19:50.03 | josephscott | did that fix it? |
| 19:52.36 | ninnypants | yeah |
| 19:54.48 | ninnypants | the setup for that one doesn't make a lot of sense to me |
| 19:55.39 | ninnypants | why would you define the menu name in your theme but have a hook for the theme location |
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| 21:05.38 | beandog | http://comics.com/matt_bors/2010-08-04/ |
| 21:05.39 | beandog | awesome |
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| 23:04.51 | josephscott | mindjuju: what's the story with the Utah Javascript user group? |
| 23:10.54 | mgeary | hey fungus |
| 23:11.30 | fungus | oh hi |
| 23:11.46 | mgeary | hey, can you help me troubleshoot a ssl cert issue? |
| 23:11.58 | fungus | sure |
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