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15:20.40mindjuju~lart beandog
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15:31.21mindjujusup utahcon
15:32.39utahconnada -- just planning world domination, you?
15:32.55mindjujulooking at this and trying to find a phone
15:32.56mindjujuhttp://erictric.com/2010/08/05/motorola-droid-2-and-android-2-2-training-materials-leaked/
15:33.14mindjujusome of the comments suggest the HTC incredible is better
15:33.22mindjujui'm goign to have to read up on all these things
15:34.09utahconthe incredible is a pretty nice phone
15:34.26mindjujubut is droid 2 better?
15:34.37utahconI haven't actually laid hands on it
15:35.47fungusDroid 2 isn't out yet, so I don't have one.
15:36.09fungusBut IMHO, unless you like small. the Droid X is better than the Incredible
15:36.10mindjujufungus, are you upgrading to droid 2?
15:36.18fungusnot me personally.  
15:36.32fungusWe get just about every new phone in, even if for just testing
15:36.51utahconthe Droid X feels big
15:36.57mindjujui get one from the company, i just have to point at it
15:36.58fungusIt is big.  
15:37.01utahconI am quite happy with the Galaxy S size compared to teh X
15:37.15fungusGalaxy S is a really good size
15:37.28herlojust got it on Monday
15:37.28utahconI forgot you got one :D
15:37.32utahconthey are the best :D
15:37.38mindjujuherlo, what did you get?
15:37.42herlothe only issue I have is the no scroll ball when typing
15:37.43fungusutahcon, herlo:  how do you change the bottom 4 app icons on the Galaxy S?
15:37.47herlomindjuju: read up above :)
15:38.22utahconherlo: the missing scroll ball is odd to begin with
15:38.30utahconbut with swypes double tap it is ok
15:38.35utahconfungus: change the launcher
15:38.44herloutahcon: ahh
15:38.47utahconthe bottom for apps is part of the TouchWiz interface
15:39.20fungusAre there other options for launchers in a stock phone ?
15:39.27utahconfungus: yes
15:39.39utahconthere are a half dozen or more free (and paid) launchers in the market
15:39.47utahconwork with stock phones
15:40.22fungusInteresting idea.  That was our biggest complaint about the Galaxy S so far.
15:40.34fungusSo it might be an easy fix.  Nice.
15:41.35fungusIt looks like the Galaxy S will be our standard phone for people who flatly refuse Verizon from now on.
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15:41.59utahconfungus: You guys allow phones on other carriers?
15:42.03utahconI didn't know that.
15:42.09utahconGalaxy S is the bomb phone!
15:42.09fungusOnly Verizon and AT&T
15:42.23utahconah
15:42.37fungusWe get mad discounts on both
15:43.29fungusmindjuju, you might want to wait for the Droid 2.  It looks pretty nice.
15:43.47mindjujuyeah, that's what i was thinking
15:43.50mindjujubetter keyboard
15:44.02mindjujufroyo
15:44.04utahconmeh -- physical keyboards is so 2009
15:44.22utahconGalaxy S is getting 2.2 -- Samsung has already released it to the carriers
15:44.24mindjujufrom what i've heard, ssh on a virtual keyboard is hard
15:44.34SunSparcphysical keyboards are so pre-iPhone
15:44.36fungusoh a physical keyboard?  i missed that
15:44.44mindjujufungus, it has both
15:44.56mindjujubut using up half your screen on a keyboard doesn't sound like fun
15:44.59fungusyeah, but that's a lot of wasted space for a physical one
15:45.06SunSparcmindjuju: I have done ssh on a virtual keyboard, not too bad
15:45.09utahconmindjuju: Just get swype, no need for a physical keyboard ever again.
15:45.33fungusmindjuju, it's a slide out keyboard, but it makes the device a lot thicker
15:46.04mindjujufungus, i had a 10lbs laptop with a full p4 chip for YEARS
15:46.13mindjujua little width on my cell phone ain't gonna be much to me
15:46.21mindjujuas long as phone freakin' rox
15:46.39mindjuju:)
15:46.43fungushehe
15:48.48mindjujuso in the end, i think i'll wait for droid2
15:49.15SunSparcHave you all seen this?  http://easiertounderstandthanwave.com/
15:49.40wpsssh on a phone is hard, period
15:49.55wpsI thought it'd be cool to be able to ssh into my server via my phone, but it doesn't work
15:50.33fungusI do it every once in a while. It works with the right App, but isn't meant for real work.
15:50.40Utah_DaveI've done some minor checks and reboots from my phone over ssh, but anything involved is too much of a pain
15:50.47wpsyeah
15:50.58fungusfor iPhone, iSSH is my fav
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15:51.16wpsit's saved my butt once being able to ssh into my home box and look up something I needed, but for the most part, I'd rather just wait until I get back to a computer
15:51.34wpsiSSH is what I have too
15:51.40mindjujui can see that, and that's what i want, ssh for emergency
15:51.55mindjujuthe phone makes own wifi spot and I have my laptop so could go that way too
15:53.32fungusmindjuju, yeah the built-in Mifi is fantastic.
15:54.25fungusavailable for DroidX, Evo, and Droid 2 so far.
15:55.09josephscottI thought I'd read that some of the carriers were disabling the hotspot feature
15:55.22mindjujuhope not
15:55.57fungusSome carriers might.  But officially the DroidX on Verizon and the Evo on Sprint are fully functional
15:56.07mindjujujosephscott, what kind of phone you running around with?
15:56.15josephscottiphone 3gs
15:57.08mindjujuare you happy with it?
15:57.32josephscottyeah, it's been good
16:05.06mindjujuso anybody here have any time on sql server?
16:05.17mindjujuand is willing to admit it, i have question
16:05.34josephscottabout 4 years ago :-)
16:06.02mindjujuso joseph, you know how if you have a stored procedure, you put it with the database that is going to use it?
16:06.20mindjujuwhat if you've got a procedure that you want globally over all databases?
16:06.45josephscottIf I recall correctly, you'll have to added it to each DB
16:07.26josephscottsince SPs are scoped at the DB level (along with various other permissions)
16:07.26mindjujuyup
16:07.48mindjujuthis app the company is using requires MS SQL server or sql server express
16:08.12mindjujuand we're using the express, but i'm trying to build an utomated way to back up all 1 billion databases in this sql server install
16:08.19fungusmindjuju, can you add procs to the "master" db?
16:08.29mindjujuhave script that reads from master to see all databases and back them up
16:08.39mindjujufungus, funny you say that, i was just wondering what would happen if i did that
16:09.08fungusJust an idea.  I don't know if it will work.
16:09.18josephscottjust make adding the SP part of the new DB scripts
16:09.53mindjujujosephscott, that's not a bad idea
16:10.07josephscottthat's what we did
16:10.20josephscottwe had a script that built all the tables and created sps
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16:34.31TuxToasterCentOS doesn't have packages for lighttpd? seriously?
16:36.55jsmithTuxToaster: It's in EPEL if I remember correctly
16:37.41TuxToasterI'll take a look
16:37.55TuxToasterjust surprised that it's not in the main repos.
16:56.18TuxToasterjsmith: thanks much. EPEL was much easier than building from scratch.
16:56.42jsmithTuxToaster: Aye :-)
17:23.57wpswhat does EPEL stand for?
17:25.26DexterTheDragonEvery Partying Elephant Limbos
17:25.46wpsinteresting
17:25.54mgearyEcstatic Peanuts Eat Limburger
17:26.12wpsI don't think I'd want to install that
17:26.56SunSparcEat Pickles Every Lunchtime
17:28.42fungusExtra Packages for Enterprise Linux
17:29.22jsmithIn short, it's a set of packages that (mostly) started in Fedora, but recompiled for RHEL/CentOS
17:29.26DexterTheDragonfungus: your not very good at this. that isn't funny at all
17:29.38funguslol, nope
17:30.06wpsI might be ready for some more side-work if anyone has any… themselves to offoad, their employers, their clients… whatever
17:30.27wpsdesign, branding, logo, website, backend, front-end, pastries
17:30.38jsmithwps: Will you design me a pastry?
17:30.55wpsyup
17:30.58wps:)
17:31.52jsmithI like donuts (powered, fruit-filled, or creme-filled), key lime pie, mango, and passionfruit
17:32.03jsmithGo!
17:32.14jsmithDoh!
17:32.17jsmithI scared him off!
17:32.25jsmithI knew it was too good to be true!
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17:33.39wpsoops :)
17:33.47wpsI stepped on the power-strip beneath my desk
17:33.50wpseverything went dark
17:34.02jsmithI thought my description of the perfect pastry made you have a heart attack
17:34.45SunSparcwps: hehe, I have done that before.  Super annoying.  I have since relocated my power strips to the desktop instead of the floor.
17:35.00SunSparcEasier to access now also.
17:35.48stderrI zip tie mine to the leg of my desks
17:36.04wpsyou guys see this?
17:36.06mgearyi zip tie mine to my left leg. it's so handy
17:36.13wpshttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/german-designer-brings-wipeout-racing-game-to-life-burns-up-car/
17:36.25wpsgerman dude creates a video game of a real car on a track
17:36.28wpspretty cool
17:36.28stderrmgeary: I would too but I already *ahem* have something else zip tied there
17:36.31SunSparcstderr: that works too
17:36.34mgearystderr: hahahahahahaha
17:36.47stderr;-)
17:37.39fungusI prefer the right leg myself.  
17:38.43utahconthat is the difference between us fungus
17:38.47utahconI have to use my ankles
17:39.11SunSparcwps: that live video game is awesome
17:39.32wpsthe part that I thought was cool is that the guy doesn't always keep the arcade seat in the same room
17:39.41wpsso when people come and play, it seems like a real video game
17:39.54wpshe said that he even tries to reset the car without them seeing his had so that it seems real
17:40.37wpswait… I guess it is real :)
17:40.42wpsI should have said… so it seems fake :)
17:41.22SunSparcawesome
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20:45.24macnewbold~rename mindjuju1
20:46.49mindjuju1~give macnewbold cookie
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20:47.06macnewbold~nickometer mindjuju1
20:47.11macnewboldouch
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20:47.19macnewboldclicky clicky
20:47.29mindjuju1hehe
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20:52.24mindjuju1so macnewbold, did ryan setup for next month?
20:52.51mindjuju1err, this month i mean?
20:57.31utahcon^^ lies ^^
21:14.22macnewboldmindjuju1: ryan the adobe guy? he hasn't been back in touch.
21:14.31macnewboldthis month i believe is utahcon
21:14.53macnewboldbut i'll need to confirm that with him
21:15.06macnewboldi'll probably be seeing him a lot more often soon though
21:15.14macnewbold~dance
21:15.15ibot<(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)>
21:19.42josephscottmacnewbold: coming to WordCamp Utah?
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21:33.11tierralooks like CodeIgniter is doing pretty good these days as far as frameworks go... http://ibaku.net/dump/php-waf.png
21:42.28orsonjyes, it does look good. The gentle slope on cake is also pleasing to the eye.
21:53.35beandog_heh
21:56.10DexterTheDragon~lart beandog_
21:56.10ibotputs on some milking gloves. "All right, now, beandog_, this won't hurt a bit...."
21:56.56beandog_ew
21:58.12wpshow about this?
21:58.56wps(I hardly ever, ever listen to anything in my library that's not rated 5 stars)
22:00.02wpsthose two were freak accidents :)
22:10.46stderrew for Johnny Cash?
22:16.42fungusI secretly listen to the Walk the Line soundtrack on occasion.  <sshhh>
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22:22.09wpsstderr: I don't mind cash, but I can't listen to very many of his in a row
22:28.43stderrThe Man Comes Around is one of my favorite songs
22:34.14SunSparcI like that one also.
23:17.56redroyI'm so making it to the monthly meeting… for real!
23:31.35macnewboldwoot!
23:35.12mgeary?
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