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15:29.07Utah_DaveMy wife learned the hard way that you can't get your data back if you forget your TrueCrypt password.  :)
15:29.14Utah_DaveLuckily I have good backups.
15:29.37Utah_DaveShe thought I could just get in "some other" way
15:36.05mindjujuouch!
15:41.18mindjujutrillain has foobed all my contacts into a billion iterations over several folders
15:41.31mindjujuquite distressing, quite
15:42.56jsmithmindjuju: Friends don't let friends use Trillian
15:43.08mindjujuyeah, i've learned my lesson
15:43.17mindjujudigsby looks cool
15:43.26mindjujubut doesnt seem like they offer an IRC
15:43.32mindjujui could try pidgin again
15:44.08mindjujuseems like i had problems with pidgin + novell, but now that i'm not on a novell system, maybe i should retry?
15:44.42DexterTheDragonmindjuju: beware of digsby spyware
15:44.44jsmithWhat's wrong with XChat for IRC?
15:45.06mindjujuyipes!  didn't see that!
15:45.07jsmithmindjuju: (check out silverex.org for a free XChat for Windows)
15:45.19mindjujumaybe i should do pidgin
15:45.30mindjujujsmith, if at alol possible, i want to have EVERYTHING be in one client
15:45.42mindjujuoh man!  i forgot, pidgin + facebook or twitter no worky
15:45.52jsmithmindjuju: pidgin + facebook works for me :-p
15:45.53mindjujuor at least it didnt' a couple years ago
15:46.08mindjujureally?  maybe fixed all better?
15:46.12jsmithmindjuju: We could always twist your arm and get you to use Linux full-time
15:46.35DexterTheDragonmindjuju: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digsby#Privacy_and_Other_Concerns
15:46.51mindjujui could prolly linux this box and virtual box everything in winders
15:46.58mindjujui'm LOVING mRemote though
15:47.02mindjujuLOVING
15:47.51mindjujui almost killt my box
15:48.03Utah_Davepidgin does facebook just fine
15:48.36utahconwhat is wrong with bilbee and irssi?
15:49.18mindjuju~wiki bilbee
15:50.11mindjujuapparently utahcon uses some kind of rodent for chatting with friends - http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.johnsibbick.com/images/nathis-image/bilbee.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.johnsibbick.com/nathis-pages/bilbee.asp&h=296&w=400&sz=22&tbnid=GrqKuCEEWhjqHM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbilbee&usg=__APjgTLHapxi3T3dciYAenX7-g24=&sa=X&ei=CIxZTPDjB5KgsQPFh_GVBg&ved=0CCcQ9QEwAw
15:50.26mindjujujust DON'T tell me where your mouth goes, i DON'T want to know
15:50.47mindjuju:)
15:51.16DexterTheDragonbitlbee
15:53.32utahconoh my bad
15:53.35utahconforgot the t
15:53.44mindjujusure sure
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16:11.34mindjujubitlbee looks interesting
16:12.08DexterTheDragonits nice
16:18.03herlomindjuju: bitlbee is awesome!
16:18.22mindjujudoes it do facebook and twitter?
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16:22.51herloit can do facebook chat
16:23.06herloI have done twitter with it
16:23.11herlobut I prefer ping.fm
16:52.49utahconmmm... ping.fm
16:53.02utahconping.fm will soon be just another seesmic product
16:53.02fungusping.fm?
16:53.07utahconwell technically it already it
16:53.09utahconis
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17:21.41macnewboldmindjuju: how's the new job?
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20:20.26*** topic/#UPHPU by thebigdog -> UPHPU :: Utah PHP User Group
20:23.18thebigdogwow really quiet in here today
20:23.33jsmiththebigdog: Aye... too quiet
20:26.35Utah_Dave~flame jsmith
20:26.36ibotjsmith, YOU SUCK. And you know it.
20:26.47jsmithibot: Like a hoover!
20:26.48ibotACTION smooches a hoover! on the lips
20:27.01Utah_DaveOuch. Sorry, jsmith. didn't mean for it to be that harsh!
20:28.22jsmithUtah_Dave: Are you saying I don't suck?
20:29.00thebigdoghe is saying you do...just not that much
20:29.09thebigdogwhich is really smuck
20:29.30jsmiththebigdog: Sounds like I should say something mean back about him, don't you think?
20:29.39jsmith~flame Utah_Dave
20:29.40ibotUtah_Dave, YOU SUCK. And you know it.
20:29.56thebigdogjsmith: i think you should
20:30.09thebigdoggive him a melvin
20:30.26jsmith~melvin Utah_Dave
20:30.27ibotACTION pulls Utah_Dave underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles
20:32.45Utah_Dave:)
20:38.56mgeary~mevinoops jsmith
20:39.01mgeary~melvinoops jsmith
20:39.02ibotACTION reaches into jsmith's pants to grab the waistband of jsmith's Fruit of the Looms, but quickly withdraws it's hand, "ugh, hey everyone jsmith is going commando today!"
20:58.47thebigdogwow gone for a few months and nothing happens
20:59.03macnewboldsup bigdog?
21:00.24herlothebigdog: where did you go?
21:00.28thebigdogmacnewbold: not much just work rally
21:00.33thebigdogherlo...just working
21:00.48herlooh, so just hiding out I see
21:00.54thebigdogpretty much
21:02.24thebigdoghow is the channel doing?
21:03.04mgearywe died without you
21:03.09mgearywe're all just zombies now
21:03.20mgearybraaaaaaiiiins
21:06.32thebigdognice
21:09.55josephscottmgeary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjcH2UmK1uo
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21:35.09PoeticIntensityyay!  It's finally raining!
21:38.32PoeticIntensityStill waiting for the "big storm" everyone is talking about, though....
21:38.33PoeticIntensity*sigh*
21:44.19mgearyi woke last night or early this morning to some serious rumblings, but didn't see any signs of rain when i got up
21:45.00PoeticIntensityYeah...  My wife was wakened by crazy thunder, but I slept through it... darnit..  I love me a good storm...
21:48.01mgearyme too
21:49.29mgearyso, i've got a (rackspace virtual) server that's running out of memory. It may be because too many apache instances are being spawned. When it runs out of memory, it becomes unresponsive to ssh, so i can't really diagnost
21:49.34mgearydiagnose*
21:49.50mgearyi can confirm that the CPU is cruising along at 15% utilization
21:50.09mgearyany ideas on how best to identify the issue?
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21:58.19cromgeary: is there still an out of memory-killer flag in later Linux kernels?  I think there is, if you can enable it with a kernel flag then you should at least be able to see in the syslog what large process got killed
22:01.15influxw 5
22:02.28mgearycro: no idea. i don't know a lot about Linux kernels. i'm running Ubuntu 10.04, i think
22:05.07thebigdogmgeary: what is your question?
22:05.23mgearythebigdog: reposting my issue:
22:05.28mgearyso, i've got a (rackspace virtual) server that's running out of memory. It may be because too many apache instances are being spawned. When it runs out of memory, it becomes unresponsive to ssh, so i can't really diagnose
22:09.54cromgeary: Another thing you could do is setup a cron job that runs 'top' and logs it to a file with the worst memory offenders sorted to the top.  Then you can look over the culprits after the machine comes back up
22:10.22mgearytrue, though if my problem is just hundreds of apache instances, no single one is going to register as a serious offender
22:10.23thebigdogdoes rackspace provide a resource to monitor your vps?
22:10.40mgearythebigdog: you can take a cpu and i/o snapshot, but not memory, afaict
22:10.54croMight also be able to use 'sar', not sure if it will report individual processes
22:11.06mgearywhat does sar do?
22:11.24croNAME
22:11.25cro<PROTECTED>
22:11.25croSYNOPSIS
22:11.26cro<PROTECTED>
22:11.26cro<PROTECTED>
22:11.27croDESCRIPTION
22:11.27cro<PROTECTED>
22:11.42croNAME
22:11.43thebigdogor vmstat
22:11.43cro<PROTECTED>
22:12.26thebigdogor just cat /proc/meminfo
22:12.46thebigdogbut if apache is the issue you can configure that
22:13.01mgearyyes
22:13.10mgearybut i'd like to know if that's the issue
22:17.04thebigdogthis is a ps command i have used before too - ps -eo pid,ppid,rss,vsize,pcpu,pmem,cmd -ww --sort=pid
22:18.03thebigdogi got that from here - http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-mm/2003-03/msg00077.html
22:18.09thebigdoghowto on memory profiling
22:18.55mgearyyeah
22:19.09mgearyand that's all fine, except when it runs out of memory, i can't log in...
22:20.06thebigdoglike cro said you should be using a cron job to run those commands for you
22:20.28mgearyyeah
22:20.29thebigdogthen @ offpeak times you can check them out
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