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| 00:59.15 | influx | is there a clean way to call a function, that requires user-defined variables/values, from within a heredoc? |
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| 02:30.05 | influx | blarr |
| 02:35.08 | influx | oi |
| 02:35.12 | influx | anyone around? |
| 02:35.51 | herlo | influx: hi |
| 02:36.00 | herlo | though I don't know the answer to your question |
| 02:41.29 | influx | heh |
| 02:41.58 | influx | Is it possible to call in a function from within a heredoc? A function with arguments. |
| 02:42.08 | herlo | yeah, I don't know |
| 02:42.19 | influx | Thats cool. |
| 02:42.26 | influx | I couldn't figure it out, so I'm going about my goal another way. |
| 02:42.27 | influx | :D |
| 02:42.31 | influx | Thanks, herlo. |
| 02:43.29 | herlo | yeah, gl |
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| 07:30.17 | Brandon | #1 vote for best CMS? |
| 07:30.27 | Brandon | Contact Management |
| 07:30.52 | Brandon | CRM - Relationship Management |
| 07:31.43 | Brandon | If I could put Skype and ACT in a blender and hit puree - I would have the perfect tool for Marketing and Communication - any ideas? |
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| 13:13.44 | influx | morning |
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| 13:15.48 | influx | I haz a question (as usual): If I throw a ternary into an array as, let's say,an item value, and it's before the last item in the array, is it's safe to tie up that assignment with just a comma? |
| 13:17.20 | influx | e.g. $foo = array('key_one' => (exp_1) ? exp_2 : exp_3, 'key_two' => $whatever); |
| 13:17.37 | influx | I have several array items that are set up that way, where exp_3 is FALSE or TRUE |
| 13:18.10 | influx | Is it better to throw that ternary code inside a pair of () ? |
| 13:22.37 | jtsnow | it should be fine with just a comma |
| 13:25.13 | influx | Groovy! |
| 13:25.27 | influx | Thanks jtsnow. :) |
| 13:37.22 | utahcon | Oh it's good to be at work... in my own cubicle... |
| 14:13.50 | cycokilr | hey, put that down |
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| 14:51.45 | TuxToaster | influx: just a thought on your question earlier |
| 14:52.10 | TuxToaster | I think jtsnow was right in that it should work fine as is... but to me at least, the pair of parens makes it easier to read |
| 14:52.45 | TuxToaster | since you can follow that you're encasing the conditional at that point. |
| 14:52.56 | jtsnow | yes, code style is something to take into consideration |
| 14:53.36 | TuxToaster | if you were writing in Lasso, you'd have a good chance that it might randomly interpret it so that the rest of the line was part of the conditional... but that's because Lasso sucks. |
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| 14:57.49 | influx | word |
| 14:58.53 | mindjuju | word up, yo |
| 14:59.32 | mindjuju | what's the word on temporarily powering a hdd on a computer using a second, in no way connected to the first, power supply |
| 15:00.12 | mindjuju | is that like "crossing the streams" on ghostbusters? |
| 15:00.30 | mindjuju | could potentially cause a universal reorganization? |
| 15:02.48 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I've done that before. I didn't have any problems. |
| 15:02.57 | mindjuju | oh cool |
| 15:03.28 | Utah_Dave | At least I didn't have two crazy evil dogs come running out of a rip in the space-time continuum |
| 15:04.37 | mindjuju | one of which being signory weaver, and the other rick morranis |
| 15:04.48 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:04.57 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, that didn't happen to me |
| 15:05.12 | Utah_Dave | At least that time it didn't happen to me. |
| 15:05.15 | mindjuju | how do you send signal to the first to power up? |
| 15:05.25 | mindjuju | err, to the second i mean |
| 15:05.29 | mindjuju | the first is connected already |
| 15:05.53 | Utah_Dave | The hard drives power up as soon as they get electricity. |
| 15:10.54 | influx | nrgh |
| 15:11.01 | influx | eyesight going blurry, but code is broken |
| 15:11.13 | influx | don't want to lose momentum |
| 15:11.35 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I have a little plug that I use that goes from the wall outlet right into the hard drive. It works really well. |
| 15:12.07 | mindjuju | what i actually need is to pwoer a floppy |
| 15:12.21 | mindjuju | but because floppy so old, sewell direct didn't have one |
| 15:12.23 | mindjuju | :( |
| 15:12.55 | mindjuju | so, i can either try to get this second power supply to turn on with the computer and have 2, or i need to hack fu me a fd power cable |
| 15:13.18 | Utah_Dave | fun |
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| 16:05.03 | herlo | mindjuju: you's back :) |
| 16:07.42 | mindjuju | yup, intermitten today,but back again |
| 16:07.49 | mindjuju | how you and your crew herlo? |
| 16:07.53 | mindjuju | jenn doing ok? |
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| 16:18.14 | shoxty | hey does anyone know of any good xss/sql injection scanners? i need something to be able to scan the sites we are building to test their security. |
| 16:19.34 | jtsnow | http://sourceforge.net/projects/kses/ |
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| 16:21.06 | Merrick_ | Hey dudes, any of you have a recommended book on building scalable applicaitons on the interenet? |
| 16:22.14 | herlo | mindjuju: everyone is doing well |
| 16:27.13 | beandog | http://gizmodo.com/5592651/iphone-4-decal-adds-function-to-form |
| 16:27.16 | beandog | lols |
| 16:30.34 | TuxToaster | shoxty: there's also one called something like phpids that offers intrusion detection, looked interesting |
| 16:30.42 | fungus | beandog, I think these are more fun. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/antenna-aid-bandages-your-iphone-4-reception-issue-hopes-for-ro/ |
| 16:31.12 | beandog | fungus: heh thats great |
| 16:31.53 | shoxty | thanks TuxToaster and jtsnow. Ill look into these |
| 16:32.31 | TuxToaster | shoxty: no problem. http://php-ids.org/ is the one I was thinking of |
| 16:34.02 | shoxty | something like this would be real helpful to double check our code. we had an intern working on a high traffic site and didnt sanitize his data and the client came back pissed because it was open to all kinds of sql/xss injections. i know scanners exist i just am having trouble finding good ones |
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| 16:34.29 | mindjuju | metasploit has something for sql i think |
| 16:36.45 | beandog | ~exploit mindjuju |
| 16:40.49 | mindjuju | @beandog, i heard gentoo has sploits, is that true? |
| 16:41.37 | beandog | mindjuju: Im sure it does, like every OS out there |
| 16:41.47 | beandog | it has security vulns |
| 16:42.12 | mindjuju | darn, i was trying to make a witty retort, but |
| 16:42.17 | mindjuju | fail = retort |
| 16:42.46 | beandog | mindjuju: try again :) |
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| 16:43.30 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:45.57 | mindjuju | ~gentoo beandog |
| 16:45.58 | ibot | ACTION recompiles beandog again |
| 16:46.05 | beandog | \o/ |
| 16:46.26 | beandog | http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 16:47.04 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 16:50.22 | TuxToaster | ~gentoo ibot |
| 16:50.23 | ibot | ACTION recompiles ibot again |
| 16:50.26 | TuxToaster | w00t |
| 16:55.49 | mindjuju | ugh!!!i'm being swampped by a social media twitter guy who thinks we all want to know his EVERY thought! |
| 16:56.22 | beandog | mindjuju: at your company? |
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| 17:05.49 | Brandon | sup all? |
| 17:06.58 | beandog | wow |
| 17:07.01 | beandog | winamp is still around? |
| 17:07.17 | beandog | http://blog.winamp.com/2010/07/19/winamp-as-an-official-provider-of-webm-support/ |
| 17:07.55 | fungus | yeah, but since Winamp 3 it lost it's best aspects. |
| 17:09.01 | Brandon | winamps best aspect is that it doesn't load on my computer :) |
| 17:09.24 | macnewbold | xmms ftw |
| 17:11.06 | beandog | macnewbold: you are weird. |
| 17:12.03 | beandog | macnewbold: IIRC, you really do run XMMS, dont you |
| 17:12.50 | mindjuju | man so much winamp hate |
| 17:13.10 | beandog | I love winamp |
| 17:13.11 | beandog | the old version |
| 17:13.13 | beandog | like v2 |
| 17:15.30 | mindjuju | so what did 2 do that 5.58 doesn't? |
| 17:16.04 | fungus | mindjuju, it wasn't about what 5.5 does do, it's about the bloat. |
| 17:16.15 | beandog | exactly |
| 17:16.19 | fungus | Winamps best features were super fast, and simple |
| 17:16.20 | beandog | it was a mean, lean mp3 player |
| 17:16.24 | beandog | then it threw in the kitchen sink |
| 17:34.51 | fungus | Though over the past years since swearing off Winamp, I have come to appreciate the "music library"/iTunes style of media player. |
| 17:36.50 | beandog | ugh, I cant stand the library organization of most of em |
| 17:36.53 | beandog | I still wanna organize by album |
| 17:37.02 | mindjuju | yup! hear hear! |
| 17:37.02 | beandog | I havent found a good one yet that does that |
| 17:37.13 | fungus | Rhythmbox does a really good job |
| 17:37.17 | mindjuju | i organize the music how i wants! |
| 17:37.35 | mindjuju | k, d00d, i'm so illing your tweet account |
| 17:37.39 | mindjuju | i can't stand it any more |
| 17:37.46 | mindjuju | just got like 5 tweets in 1 minute |
| 17:37.50 | fungus | rhythmbox lets you organize to your style, it just indexes it. and really well. |
| 17:37.51 | mindjuju | that's ridiculous |
| 17:39.17 | fungus | Just unfollow. don't waste your time on people who don't respect it. |
| 17:39.20 | beandog | mindjuju: from who? |
| 17:40.53 | beandog | mindjuju: you gotta tell your mom to stop bugging you |
| 17:40.55 | beandog | :) |
| 17:40.58 | beandog | you're a big boy now |
| 17:47.53 | mindjuju | ok, i'm officially up crap creek |
| 17:48.01 | mindjuju | floppy controller no worky |
| 17:48.08 | mindjuju | usb floppy no recognize |
| 17:48.16 | mindjuju | must need install winders 2k3 |
| 17:48.23 | mindjuju | and it no likely SATA card |
| 17:50.23 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: linux |
| 17:51.28 | mindjuju | i wish, i actually am rolling out 2 servers today in ubuntu |
| 17:51.45 | mindjuju | but this server needs winders cause it needs to run some crazy app |
| 17:52.03 | macnewbold | beandog: yeah, xmms - mostly cause it is has xmmsctrl so i can set up al lmy keybindings and such |
| 17:52.09 | macnewbold | plus it's simple and covers what i want |
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| 18:00.20 | mindjuju | 4 beandog - lunchtime TV - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN5rHs08QVk |
| 18:05.18 | fungus | mindjuju, have you tried yet. 2k3 is pretty good at supporting almost all storage controllers |
| 18:05.31 | mindjuju | yup, tried, no likey |
| 18:06.02 | beandog | mindjuju: virtualbox |
| 18:06.48 | fungus | geez what kind of crappy SATA card you got? |
| 18:07.36 | mindjuju | areca ARC-1110 |
| 18:07.41 | mindjuju | i didn't buy it! |
| 18:07.43 | mindjuju | hoenst! |
| 18:07.51 | fungus | is it on-board? |
| 18:08.02 | fungus | Is there any option to enable BIOS support? |
| 18:08.12 | beandog | hmm .. its 79 in here |
| 18:08.20 | mindjuju | it's a pcix |
| 18:08.40 | fungus | When it boots does it give you options to configure the controller? |
| 18:08.52 | mindjuju | yup, bios recognizes it, and it works |
| 18:08.54 | fungus | something like, Press Ctrl-E to configure |
| 18:09.00 | mindjuju | have setup the hdd in raid 5 with hot swap |
| 18:09.12 | fungus | If BIOS will recognize it, windows should. |
| 18:09.27 | mindjuju | yeah, i keep trying to explain that to winders, but it doesn't listen |
| 18:09.37 | fungus | lol |
| 18:10.01 | mindjuju | honestly, when i setup the dl360, dl380, i have that down pretty fast |
| 18:10.12 | mindjuju | i've been fighting with this for a whole day and a ouple horus now |
| 18:10.17 | mindjuju | it's a used comp |
| 18:10.28 | mindjuju | well, the others were used too, but |
| 18:11.27 | fungus | are you planning to install the OS on the raid5 volume? |
| 18:11.41 | fungus | or are there other drives as well |
| 18:12.31 | mindjuju | 4 drives, raid 5 + 1 hot swap |
| 18:12.58 | fungus | hmm, no separation of OS and data? odd. |
| 18:14.29 | fungus | I've never done a slipstream. Good luck. |
| 18:14.33 | mindjuju | i could take the hot swap and make it the OS |
| 18:14.43 | mindjuju | but this is mission critical |
| 18:15.01 | mindjuju | wanted teh redundancy though i know there is a performance hit |
| 18:15.12 | fungus | can you just add two more drives for the OS, and mirror those two |
| 18:15.27 | mindjuju | nope, only 4 drives max |
| 18:15.36 | mindjuju | this is a rackmounted server from hell |
| 18:15.46 | mindjuju | it doesn't even have a proper model num |
| 18:16.08 | fungus | did the SATA card come with the server? |
| 18:16.13 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:16.27 | fungus | Can you find a manual, or contact support? |
| 18:16.47 | mindjuju | i have the manual, but it says jsut load the drivers via floppy |
| 18:17.20 | fungus | Well if the floppy drive is broken, try fixing that. Is it enabled? |
| 18:18.34 | mindjuju | yup, enabled the floppy controller in BIOS, but the server doesn't have a floppy power cable, so i hack fu'd one this morning |
| 18:18.34 | mindjuju | but then BIOS said bad floppy controller |
| 18:18.34 | TuxToaster | floppy? seriously? LOL |
| 18:19.06 | fungus | mindjuju, no floppy power cable? did it not come with the floppy drive? |
| 18:19.17 | mindjuju | no |
| 18:19.35 | fungus | but the manual states you need one... oO |
| 18:20.12 | beandog | I put em in my desktops |
| 18:20.37 | mindjuju | i've never worked with a "rackable systems" server, but this one sucks |
| 18:20.44 | mindjuju | i read though that they bought SGI |
| 18:21.43 | fungus | mindjuju, mission critical servers need a support contract and/or a standby spare server |
| 18:37.26 | mgeary | fungus: only 2 years? |
| 18:37.28 | mgeary | jeeze |
| 18:37.40 | mgeary | i haven't used a floppy in probably 10 years |
| 18:37.57 | fungus | hehe, yeah, had to futz with an old server that wouldn't boot off USB |
| 18:38.09 | fungus | and it's CD was busted |
| 18:38.56 | beandog | fungus: ever tried flashrom? |
| 18:39.07 | fungus | flashrom? |
| 18:39.14 | beandog | http://flashrom.org/Flashrom |
| 18:39.17 | beandog | guess not |
| 18:39.29 | beandog | upgrade BIOS, ec. |
| 18:39.30 | beandog | etc. |
| 18:40.20 | fungus | eh, I just use manu. tools for flashing my BIOS |
| 18:40.25 | beandog | manu? |
| 18:40.31 | fungus | manufacturer. |
| 18:40.35 | fungus | Dell specifically |
| 18:40.37 | beandog | oh |
| 18:40.43 | beandog | Dellllllllll |
| 18:40.48 | beandog | their bioses suck. |
| 18:40.58 | fungus | they aren't bad. |
| 18:41.10 | fungus | Really slow, but they work just fine |
| 18:41.11 | beandog | theres not enough cool options |
| 18:41.24 | fungus | hehe, I don't want or need cool options on my servers |
| 18:41.58 | SunSparc | Apple bios ftw |
| 18:42.10 | fungus | Apple doesn't "do" BIOS |
| 18:42.14 | SunSparc | :D |
| 18:42.47 | SunSparc | Apple does AIOS |
| 18:42.50 | fungus | Apple is one of the few manufacturers that has moved on from BIOS |
| 18:42.51 | beandog | fungus: oh, well, servers ... yah |
| 18:42.58 | beandog | Theyre on EFI arent they |
| 18:43.03 | fungus | yeah |
| 18:43.21 | beandog | http://www.coreboot.org/Welcome_to_coreboot |
| 18:43.26 | beandog | thatll spank your panties |
| 18:43.34 | SunSparc | The BIOS chip is so 1980's. |
| 18:43.43 | beandog | I just need a box to break ... er test it on. |
| 18:43.55 | fungus | SunSparc, yeah, and EFI is so '90s |
| 18:44.02 | SunSparc | heh |
| 18:44.21 | beandog | SunSparc: Im just glad they are finally phasing out PS2 ports. |
| 18:44.27 | beandog | and LPT |
| 18:44.34 | SunSparc | beandog: amen |
| 18:44.50 | beandog | usb for everyone! |
| 18:45.11 | fungus | Sad part though, we'll probably never be able to completely phase out x86 or BIOS |
| 18:45.27 | beandog | SunSparc: hdmi |
| 18:45.31 | fungus | USB3 |
| 18:45.32 | beandog | its already here |
| 18:45.33 | beandog | :) |
| 18:45.44 | beandog | I dont know which is faster though |
| 18:45.45 | fungus | HDMI has a completely different purpose than USB |
| 18:45.56 | beandog | fungus: true but they are retrofitting HDMI |
| 18:45.59 | beandog | to do networkng |
| 18:46.06 | SunSparc | whahuh? |
| 18:46.11 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/7/1/tv-business-kisses-hdmi-goodbye/ |
| 18:46.42 | fungus | yeah, that's it. |
| 18:46.43 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: that reminds me ... what ever happened to Google TV |
| 18:46.53 | beandog | I *hate* network cables |
| 18:46.59 | beandog | They are the worst, physically, to connect. |
| 18:48.45 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: google tv stuff probably wont come out till the end of the year |
| 18:49.11 | beandog | I can't wait to see the cable industry's grip completely destroyed. |
| 18:49.27 | beandog | if anyone could use a shakeup + competition, they could |
| 18:49.42 | beandog | well, that and cell phone networks |
| 18:50.47 | fungus | wireless networks actually have competition, the cable industry has none |
| 18:51.52 | fungus | well, none within the cable topology, and very little for broadband. |
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| 18:52.09 | beandog | yarr |
| 18:52.10 | beandog | agreed. |
| 18:52.12 | fungus | DSL is as good as dead |
| 18:52.17 | beandog | but just having options in cable DVR and stuff |
| 18:52.19 | beandog | thats gonna be awesome. |
| 18:52.26 | beandog | Im excited for it |
| 18:53.16 | fungus | http://transmission.xmission.com/2010/07/21/qwest-xmission-and-dsl |
| 18:54.04 | SunSparc | It is hard for me to fathom that some people are still on dial-up |
| 18:54.06 | fungus | "fiber" isn't good in itself. It has to be implemented properly |
| 18:54.23 | SunSparc | Sure |
| 18:54.25 | fungus | Qwest = bad fiber |
| 18:54.36 | SunSparc | Not surprising. |
| 18:54.57 | SunSparc | I just recently switched from Qwest DSL to cable. |
| 18:55.05 | beandog | SunSparc: is it faster? |
| 18:55.15 | SunSparc | It seems to be. |
| 18:55.34 | fungus | I switched about 6mo ago. |
| 18:55.45 | mindjuju | oh cool, now i know how to dance to dubstep! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoAlWDVe2hw&NR=1 |
| 18:56.03 | SunSparc | Then again, our DSL modem was dying and we did not want to stay with Qwest anymore because their max down was like 5mbps and the max up was like 256kbps or something. |
| 18:56.09 | beandog | I feel so bad for Xmissions sometimes. |
| 18:56.09 | beandog | :C |
| 18:56.14 | beandog | having to deal with Qwest so much |
| 18:56.16 | fungus | my download speeds went from 3Mbps to 16Mbps for the same price |
| 18:56.48 | fungus | I still hate Comcast, but Qwest can't keep up. |
| 18:57.02 | SunSparc | We stayed with Qwest so long because we have had horrible service anytime we dealt with Qwest and Comcast. |
| 18:57.24 | SunSparc | Any change we had them make, something would break and we would be down for days. |
| 18:57.37 | SunSparc | So we just got it working and stopped touching it. |
| 18:57.41 | fungus | I just got a letter from Qwest telling me the FTTN is available in my neighborhood. |
| 18:58.00 | SunSparc | Heh, I barely even considered using Qwest FTTN. |
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| 18:58.26 | fungus | I'm not going to consider it though, mostly due to the blog post from Xmission. |
| 18:58.27 | SunSparc | At work we are having ComCast corporate fiber installed. We will see how that goes. |
| 18:59.25 | SunSparc | I only considered Qwest fiber because I really want fiber. |
| 19:06.38 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:07.21 | TuxToaster | anyone here dealt with exchange rates in a db much? |
| 19:07.44 | TuxToaster | Was hoping to get some feedback in #mysql but no luck so far. |
| 19:07.44 | SunSparc | monetary exchange rates? |
| 19:07.48 | TuxToaster | yes |
| 19:08.00 | fungus | oh good, that word always makes me sick |
| 19:08.12 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:08.13 | fungus | Glad it's not in reference to the evil |
| 19:08.14 | SunSparc | heh |
| 19:08.17 | TuxToaster | I'm trying to optimize how we store and look up currency conversions |
| 19:08.43 | SunSparc | You are storing the conversion rates? |
| 19:09.06 | TuxToaster | seems to me having a rate table with date, exchange rate, and currency type would be really close, but you'd have to make sure there were rates for every day |
| 19:09.07 | TuxToaster | yes |
| 19:09.14 | SunSparc | What format are the rates in? |
| 19:09.17 | SunSparc | decimal? |
| 19:09.17 | TuxToaster | need to for reporting |
| 19:09.44 | TuxToaster | I'm not sure what they are currently in, checking. |
| 19:09.58 | TuxToaster | I didn't design the existing table, but I want to redo it :-) |
| 19:10.28 | TuxToaster | looks like float currently |
| 19:10.30 | SunSparc | Will the format be the same in the new table? Decimal is probably the easiest for running calculations. |
| 19:10.40 | SunSparc | same thing, basically |
| 19:10.42 | TuxToaster | yeah |
| 19:10.45 | TuxToaster | most likely yes |
| 19:10.51 | TuxToaster | the main thing I'm hitting is this |
| 19:11.31 | TuxToaster | the current structure has an effective date for the currency, and you have to do a subquery to get the most recent record that is <= NOW() |
| 19:11.52 | TuxToaster | I would much prefer doing a clean join, so I'm thinking having a record in there for each day with that days' rate |
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| 19:12.14 | TuxToaster | then the only issue I see is having to ensure that something populates the rates for each day |
| 19:12.51 | TuxToaster | but you can just join against the table to get the rate... so if you're displaying 10k records you don't have to do 10k subqueries. |
| 19:13.03 | SunSparc | Good idea. |
| 19:13.10 | SunSparc | The fewer subqueries the better. |
| 19:13.17 | TuxToaster | definitely. |
| 19:13.35 | TuxToaster | it's amazing how quickly DBMSes can do some of them |
| 19:13.54 | TuxToaster | but still... we NEED to optimize our data access, so the little things help IMO |
| 19:13.56 | SunSparc | Yeah, they have gotten quicker. |
| 19:14.31 | TuxToaster | one of our previous programmers apparently saw nothing wrong with having a couple dozen database calls in a page |
| 19:14.41 | TuxToaster | quite often inside of loops |
| 19:15.04 | SunSparc | All to easy to do. They can get out of hand quickly. |
| 19:15.31 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
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| 19:15.53 | TuxToaster | doesn't help that Lasso's "connection pooling" doesn't work, so it disconnects and reconnects the connection to the DB arround each call |
| 19:16.15 | SunSparc | Ouch |
| 19:16.26 | SunSparc | That is less effective |
| 19:16.54 | TuxToaster | yeah. But even with things like that, I must say I'm impressed how well the stuff *does* work. |
| 19:17.17 | TuxToaster | a few things like reports obviously take a long time to process, but most things are fairly snappy even with little lags. |
| 19:17.19 | SunSparc | Well, a good server can help offset bad code. |
| 19:17.36 | SunSparc | To some extent |
| 19:17.38 | TuxToaster | so I figure once I get done cleaning everything up, it should run like a dream, right? lol |
| 19:18.31 | SunSparc | Sounds logical. :) |
| 19:19.47 | TuxToaster | all right, gotta run for a few. Thanks for confirming my random thought processes :-) |
| 19:19.54 | SunSparc | yw |
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| 19:40.17 | beandog | SunSparc: comcast business is actually really nice. |
| 19:40.21 | beandog | very fast |
| 19:40.29 | beandog | and good service, too |
| 19:40.39 | beandog | they dont screw around |
| 19:42.10 | SunSparc | beandog: Good to know. |
| 19:42.21 | SunSparc | So far, their sales staff has been really good to work with. |
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| 19:56.25 | fungus | Agreed, Comcast business support is great, but the company is still evil. |
| 19:56.39 | Merrick_ | What is the preferred framework around here? |
| 19:57.02 | fungus | Django, Rails |
| 19:57.13 | fungus | :) |
| 19:57.13 | SunSparc | Li3 |
| 19:57.52 | SunSparc | or CakePHP for those not on 5.3 yet. |
| 19:58.13 | Merrick_ | Li3? |
| 19:58.15 | Merrick_ | where is that? |
| 19:58.32 | mgeary | if i were starting, and had to use PHP, i'd probably use Zend Framework |
| 19:58.47 | mgeary | SunSparc: does 5.3 break CakePHP? |
| 19:58.50 | SunSparc | Merrick_: http://lithify.me/ |
| 19:59.02 | SunSparc | mgeary: Tends to, yes. |
| 19:59.30 | mgeary | figures |
| 19:59.36 | mgeary | ~hate php5.3 |
| 19:59.37 | ibot | Hey mgeary, ,,|, |
| 19:59.41 | SunSparc | There are some work arounds, that I have heard of, but have not had much success. |
| 19:59.41 | Merrick_ | macnewbold's shop uses cake as far as I know |
| 20:01.33 | Merrick_ | mgeary: if you didn't have to use php? |
| 20:03.11 | macnewbold | Merrick_: yep, we use cakephp |
| 20:03.27 | Merrick_ | macnewbold: And you don't have any issues running on 5.3? |
| 20:03.31 | macnewbold | mgeary: there's a cakephp built for 5.3 called lithium |
| 20:03.38 | macnewbold | Merrick_: don't know, we mostly use 5.2 still |
| 20:03.46 | Merrick_ | Ahhh. Very cool. |
| 20:03.49 | macnewbold | stable is good :) plus lowest common denominator (within reason) is helpful |
| 20:04.07 | macnewbold | we've found that sometimes "latest and greatest" is "latest and breakest" |
| 20:05.19 | Merrick_ | macnewbold: And why use CakePHP over say Symfony, Codeigniter, Kohana, etc. |
| 20:05.27 | Merrick_ | or zend |
| 20:05.35 | fungus | 5.3 is a year old. when does it become "stable" |
| 20:05.51 | Merrick_ | I'm having a hard time sticking to a framework... do a project in X and then try Y, then Z and I need to just pick one. |
| 20:05.58 | macnewbold | Merrick_: cause its better motsly |
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| 20:06.05 | macnewbold | i mean, |
| 20:06.11 | macnewbold | Merrick_: mostly because its better |
| 20:06.19 | macnewbold | ~koolaid Merrick_ |
| 20:06.19 | ibot | ACTION goes to the kitchen and makes a huge bucket of grape koolaid, brings it back and sits there, pouring more koolaid anytime Merrick_ 's glass gets slightly less than full |
| 20:06.30 | macnewbold | ~jedimindtrick Merrick_ |
| 20:06.33 | macnewbold | ~jedi Merrick_ |
| 20:06.34 | ibot | Merrick_: <action> zaps Merrick_ with her jedi powers |
| 20:06.42 | Merrick_ | haha |
| 20:08.18 | Merrick_ | fair enough |
| 20:08.43 | Merrick_ | Kohana v3 just needs better docs other then that it seems awesome. |
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| 20:33.12 | carmony | ARRRRRRRRRGGGGG I hate apple |
| 20:34.46 | herlo | that's okay, I hate Qwest |
| 20:34.51 | herlo | http://transmission.xmission.com/2010/07/21/qwest-xmission-and-dsl |
| 20:35.51 | herlo | entropy is a lie, just like the cake |
| 20:36.07 | carmony | the apple reviewer who has our app case |
| 20:36.13 | SunSparc | herlo: :) |
| 20:36.15 | carmony | is a total nazi :P |
| 20:36.25 | SunSparc | herlo: Then you have not seen my kids room. |
| 20:36.35 | herlo | SunSparc: hehe, nope I have not |
| 20:36.42 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:36.58 | SunSparc | ~jobsify carmony |
| 20:37.29 | SunSparc | Erm, what was that? |
| 20:37.36 | carmony | lol |
| 20:38.07 | carmony | The apple reviewer searched for 15 super inappropriate terms trying to find an inappropriate picture |
| 20:39.20 | SunSparc | Ah... |
| 20:39.24 | SunSparc | ~stevejobsify carmony |
| 20:39.25 | ibot | ACTION drags carmony by the scruff on the neck and plants him front row center of an Apple presentation at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address, until carmony's eyes glaze over and he calms down (and starts wearing turtlenecks) |
| 20:39.28 | carmony | lol |
| 20:39.40 | fungus | carmony, if you want to make porn apps, switch to the android. |
| 20:39.46 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:39.48 | carmony | haha |
| 20:40.13 | fungus | a quck search for "porn" returns over 700 results on the android marketplace |
| 20:40.39 | carmony | well the image we got rejected over was a chick laying on her bed with a bare back |
| 20:40.55 | herlo | yeah, that's porn!! |
| 20:41.00 | herlo | remove it!! |
| 20:41.09 | fungus | hehe, And the new DroidX's enormous screen, make's it the perfect porn device. |
| 20:41.13 | herlo | someone might think she's naked and imagine it or something!!! |
| 20:41.34 | SunSparc | How old was the chick? Did it still have the yellow fuzz? Or had the feathers started showing? |
| 20:41.35 | herlo | utahcon: w00t! |
| 20:42.07 | herlo | utahcon: so I took the protective sheet off the screen of my myTouch and wow! |
| 20:42.17 | herlo | the sensitivity is amazing on my phone :) |
| 20:42.33 | herlo | things work really well when you tap them and sliding is a breeze :) |
| 20:42.51 | utahcon | herlo: I got the new Samsung :d |
| 20:42.56 | utahcon | <-- happy man |
| 20:43.10 | utahcon | makes me wonder why I stuck with the G1 for so long |
| 20:43.20 | herlo | utahcon: I want to see it |
| 20:43.20 | utahcon | rooted it within 12 hours of purchase :D |
| 20:43.35 | utahcon | herlo: told you not to talk to me like that in public. |
| 20:43.37 | herlo | lol, money is why we wait to purchase nice new things |
| 20:43.45 | utahcon | stupid money |
| 20:43.51 | herlo | utahcon: it == your phone, not other things |
| 20:44.02 | herlo | you need to keep your trap shut sometimes :) |
| 20:44.16 | herlo | that's for private time |
| 20:44.58 | utahcon | :P |
| 20:47.40 | fungus | utahcon, have you seen the Droid X yet? |
| 20:47.53 | utahcon | fungus: have you seen the screen issues with the Droid X yet? |
| 20:47.54 | utahcon | ;) |
| 20:48.10 | fungus | Haven't seen the issues, but we have 4 DroidX's over here right now. |
| 20:48.13 | utahcon | fungus -- yes I have but the Hummingbird processor is supposed to be slightly faster ;) |
| 20:48.18 | fungus | well 3. |
| 20:48.25 | utahcon | fungus are you trying to cluster them or something? |
| 20:48.34 | fungus | hehe, sounds like fun. |
| 20:49.19 | SunSparc | Whoa! |
| 20:49.28 | SunSparc | utahcon: That would be sweet |
| 20:49.35 | utahcon | wouldn't it |
| 20:49.46 | SunSparc | Reminds me of the floppy drive RAID arrays... |
| 20:50.28 | SunSparc | http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/floppy_disk_striped_RAID.JPG |
| 20:52.04 | SunSparc | In actuality, a cluster of modern day phones would be more powerful than server clusters from 20 years ago, so it is quite feasible. Amazing that technology has come so far so fast. |
| 20:52.59 | SunSparc | I have a hard time calling these devices phones anymore though. |
| 20:53.02 | utahcon | SunSparc: HTC and Samsung are both working on multi-core cell phones |
| 20:53.12 | SunSparc | utahcon: woot! |
| 20:53.32 | utahcon | I use my phone for about 10% phone calls and 90% facebook, foursquare, google, text, chat, irc, ... etc |
| 20:53.39 | SunSparc | Current phones are more like Tricorders. iEverything's. |
| 20:53.46 | utahcon | my new phone's best feature is a long batt life |
| 20:53.48 | utahcon | 10+ hours! |
| 20:53.49 | SunSparc | utahcon: lol |
| 20:53.50 | utahcon | on ANDROID! |
| 20:54.35 | fungus | My phone's most fun feature is the magic touch spot for dropping calls. :P |
| 20:54.36 | utahcon | now that my phone has a decent camera, and can last a while playing MP3s... it does those two jobs too :D |
| 20:54.46 | utahcon | fungus: did you get a 4? |
| 20:54.49 | fungus | yeah |
| 20:54.59 | utahcon | what happened to Terry's hand me down? |
| 20:55.20 | fungus | Terry's hand me down went |
| 20:55.27 | fungus | ... not sure. |
| 20:55.28 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: sorry bout the low battery life |
| 20:55.40 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: what does your N1 get? |
| 20:56.01 | DexterTheDragon | I've been unplugged 14 hours and its at 75% |
| 20:57.06 | utahcon | 75% charged? |
| 20:57.09 | utahcon | lies...lies! |
| 20:57.16 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 20:57.30 | utahcon | have you had it in Airplane mode? |
| 20:57.43 | DexterTheDragon | no |
| 20:57.47 | DexterTheDragon | 3g and wifi are on |
| 20:57.54 | utahcon | screenshot that! |
| 20:58.30 | utahcon | of course you are running 2.2 |
| 20:58.34 | utahcon | mine is only 2.1 |
| 20:58.36 | utahcon | :( |
| 20:58.37 | utahcon | for now |
| 21:07.26 | carmony | utahcon: you know any android developers? :P |
| 21:09.30 | mindjuju | fungus, herlo et al., -- i'm looking for an app that will help me manage servers, IP addy, function, OS, memory, etc |
| 21:09.41 | mindjuju | keepass is cool for passwords, too bad i can't dump all that info into that |
| 21:10.04 | mindjuju | i was looking at http://opennetadmin.com/features |
| 21:10.07 | mindjuju | looks cool |
| 21:10.42 | orsonj | Locknote |
| 21:20.02 | herlo | mindjuju: like rackmonkey? |
| 21:20.38 | herlo | mindjuju: you might be interested in something like puppet which can manage all your system environments, functions, etc... |
| 21:23.53 | utahcon | carmony -- nope. |
| 21:24.05 | utahcon | carmony -- have you seen the project for PHP on Android? |
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| 21:24.36 | utahcon | carmony: http://www.phpforandroid.net/ |
| 21:29.14 | beandog | lol, nice logo |
| 21:29.31 | TuxToaster | LOL |
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| 21:38.16 | TuxToaster | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=11664271&hl=0 |
| 21:38.18 | TuxToaster | FAIL. |
| 21:40.27 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:40.41 | beandog | I dont get it |
| 21:40.57 | SunSparc | It's just dumb |
| 21:41.00 | beandog | Oh |
| 21:41.06 | beandog | Arr. |
| 21:41.27 | TuxToaster | guy's wife had a protective order... so he got arround it by addressing letters to her cat. |
| 21:41.49 | mgeary | psh. everyone knows cats only use email |
| 21:41.58 | TuxToaster | you'd think they'd pay attention to addresses, but I guess you can't expect them to catch everything. |
| 21:42.02 | TuxToaster | mgeary: lol |
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| 22:09.00 | mgeary | hey jsmith-away |
| 22:09.02 | mgeary | rats, away |
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| 23:39.37 | mindjuju | herlo, looking up puppet now |
| 23:39.43 | mindjuju | sorry, stepped away for a oment |
| 23:46.18 | mindjuju | herlo, puppet looks awesome, i'm deploying a couple linux boxes |
| 23:46.20 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:46.45 | itimber | I'm out guys... later |
