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| 03:51.46 | beandog | o hai |
| 03:53.06 | jsmith | Certainly not me |
| 03:53.16 | mindjuju | hey jsmith |
| 03:53.23 | beandog | mindjuju, jsmith, hows it |
| 03:53.26 | jsmith | Howdy back at ya, mindjuju |
| 03:53.42 | jsmith | I'm supposed to be on a plane to Santiago, Chile |
| 03:53.44 | mindjuju | how are things in Chile? |
| 03:53.55 | jsmith | But because of bad weather in Atlanta, I'm stranded in Raleigh for another day |
| 03:53.56 | mindjuju | oh i thought you were there already |
| 03:54.05 | mindjuju | yipes! |
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| 03:54.18 | mindjuju | do you have to stay at / near air port |
| 03:54.22 | mindjuju | or can you sightsee? |
| 04:01.20 | jsmith | I'm near the airport |
| 04:01.25 | jsmith | (hotel had a free shuttle) |
| 04:01.29 | jsmith | I've seen Raleigh before |
| 04:05.22 | mindjuju | ah |
| 04:05.53 | mindjuju | i hope you have a good book with you then |
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| 13:44.21 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Meeting Thursday - - 7pm at CODE GREENE (not Bill Good in Draper) - Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 13:45.11 | macnewbold | so folks, interesting news - our presenter from adobe, who confirmed with Victor a month ago for the July meeting, bailed on us yesterday... |
| 13:45.41 | jsmith | :-( |
| 13:46.02 | macnewbold | and our August presenter is out of town and can't switch, so if you or someone you know might be interested in doing a UPHPU presentation, ping me asap |
| 13:46.24 | macnewbold | jsmith: thanks, we'll take you up on that next time you're in town... :) btw, congrats on the UTOS keynote, I'm excited about it, as are many |
| 13:46.42 | macnewbold | and congrats on the new fun role |
| 13:47.06 | jsmith | Thanks |
| 13:47.19 | jsmith | Should be an challenging adventure |
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| 14:35.31 | josephscott | macnewbold: can we just skip the Adobe guy since he's bailed 2 months in a row? |
| 14:36.43 | Utah_Dave | The only good thing about the last time Adobe presented was that the guy bought everyone's dinner at AppleBee's. |
| 14:50.41 | stderr | why not just a hackfest? |
| 14:55.27 | Utah_Dave | nice, looks like they're going to replace HDMI cables with good old Cat5. http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/7/1/tv-business-kisses-hdmi-goodbye/ |
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| 15:02.23 | orsonj | heh, look out for the gold plated cat5 |
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| 15:14.01 | macnewbold | josephscott: yeah, I'm tempted to... |
| 15:14.13 | macnewbold | we have at least one person who has specifically expressed interest in the presentation, |
| 15:14.20 | josephscott | macnewbold: I think it is reasonable, time to move on |
| 15:14.24 | macnewbold | but right now he'd have to be scheduled for September, since august is booked |
| 15:14.50 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: thanks! that's awesome news... |
| 15:18.04 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: yeah, no doubt. It's amazing that they can run network, power, video and audio all over the cat5. |
| 15:18.44 | beandog | don't forget sewer |
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| 16:05.22 | macnewbold | any Code Igniter users here? anyone want to present on it tomorrow at the meeting? |
| 16:07.11 | beandog | Code Igniter is t3h awesomeness. |
| 16:07.33 | mgeary | ~koolaid beandog |
| 16:07.34 | ibot | ACTION goes to the kitchen and makes a huge bucket of grape koolaid, brings it back and sits there, pouring more koolaid anytime beandog 's glass gets slightly less than full |
| 16:07.36 | macnewbold | wanna tell us all why tomororw ngiht? |
| 16:07.42 | beandog | macnewbold: no |
| 16:07.47 | beandog | :) |
| 16:07.55 | mgeary | ~chicken beandog |
| 16:07.56 | ibot | ACTION knocks beandog into the next dimension with a rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle. |
| 16:08.37 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: Maybe I could find a babysitter for tomorrow night and I could present on CodeIgniter |
| 16:10.36 | beandog | Utah_Dave: bring your kids, have them present on it |
| 16:10.46 | beandog | macnewbold: I wouldnt mind doing it sometime, but not on short notice. |
| 16:10.56 | beandog | :T |
| 16:11.05 | Utah_Dave | beandog: How good are you at changing poopy diapers? |
| 16:11.17 | beandog | Utah_Dave: I just stick the kid int he sink and let the faucet run |
| 16:11.34 | Utah_Dave | I've done that a couple times when it was just too horrible |
| 16:11.42 | beandog | heh |
| 16:13.43 | mgeary | hah. reminds me of my worst-case scenario. At church. |
| 16:13.52 | mgeary | yellow mustard all over EVERYTHING |
| 16:13.58 | mgeary | it just kept coming and coming |
| 16:14.38 | beandog | lol |
| 16:15.36 | Utah_Dave | nasty. |
| 16:16.18 | beandog | did you get pictures? |
| 16:28.27 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: seriously, if you can come, that'd be awesome |
| 16:28.53 | macnewbold | in fact, how old are your kids? if they wouldn't mind watching a movie upstairs during the presentation, you could probably bring them if you want... |
| 16:29.25 | beandog | macnewbold: can I watch the movie instead? |
| 16:29.27 | macnewbold | during the school year i have 2-3 kids doing exactly that for 2-4 hours after school while I finish out the work day. |
| 16:29.31 | macnewbold | beandog: depends what movie |
| 16:29.44 | beandog | macnewbold: flight of the navigator |
| 16:29.52 | Utah_Dave | I have a 2 year old and a 2 month old. They'll need to be in bed. It's a really easy baby sitting job. |
| 16:30.25 | macnewbold | ooh i love that show |
| 16:30.29 | macnewbold | ah |
| 16:30.56 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: up to you - if you're interested and able, the presentation slot is all yours |
| 16:31.40 | Utah_Dave | Let me see if I can round up a baby sitter. |
| 16:39.20 | stderr | macnewbold: didn't realize you guys were so close to us |
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| 17:42.07 | stderr | aw birthday meatloaf at work |
| 17:42.12 | stderr | they know me so well |
| 17:43.46 | influx | I'm confused. Is the meeting at Bill Good this week? |
| 17:44.08 | stderr | no, no, at Code Greene |
| 17:44.14 | influx | Ah. |
| 17:44.44 | influx | Oh wow. |
| 17:44.53 | influx | I checked the site the other day and hadn't seen the announcement. |
| 17:44.57 | influx | That's why I wasn't sure. |
| 17:45.58 | stderr | get on the mailing list |
| 17:51.48 | influx | Happy Birthday, stderr. |
| 17:54.40 | stderr | thank you sir |
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| 18:29.15 | carmony | hey macnewbold |
| 18:40.27 | macnewbold | carmony: howdy |
| 18:40.27 | carmony | hows it goin? |
| 18:40.27 | macnewbold | stderr: yeah, we're right here, stone's throw from the boston |
| 18:40.27 | macnewbold | pretty well overall, you? |
| 18:48.06 | macnewbold | influx: any questions on meeting location? if so holla at me |
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| 18:57.49 | beandog | http://improveverywhere.com/2010/07/14/star-wars-subway-car/ |
| 18:57.52 | beandog | Oh my awesome |
| 19:07.55 | mgeary | ~cookie |
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| 19:18.52 | mgeary | hey cakePHPers-- |
| 19:19.14 | mgeary | aha, nevermind. found it |
| 19:19.53 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 19:20.06 | mgeary | so, i'm working with some inherited code, and it has this snippit: |
| 19:20.12 | mgeary | if (stristr(PHP_OS, 'WIN')) |
| 19:20.21 | mgeary | can anyone tell me what's wrong with this picture? |
| 19:26.42 | carmony | macnewbold: where is it good to park? |
| 19:27.20 | mgeary | well, since no one wants to play, i'll tell you that "Darwin" is a legitimate PHP OS. |
| 19:35.16 | macnewbold | carmony: parking at the meters is free and easiest |
| 19:35.21 | macnewbold | after 6 no cost no timelimit |
| 19:35.42 | macnewbold | if not, there's a garage across the street (see the email for more details) that you can prboably get free or for $5 |
| 19:35.54 | macnewbold | they prepay $5 after 5, |
| 19:36.11 | macnewbold | but if you're coming to a place that buys validations, like Code Greene, they generally will let you in withuot prepay |
| 19:36.19 | macnewbold | then at 9 they leave and have to leave the gate up |
| 19:36.37 | macnewbold | so if you're leaving after 9, it generally means you didn't end up needing to pay |
| 19:36.48 | macnewbold | or rather |
| 19:36.56 | macnewbold | there was nobody available for you to pay for your parking |
| 19:40.09 | macnewbold | on a thursday evening, generally i think there are plenty of meters open, but obviously can't promise that |
| 19:42.56 | carmony | ok, awesome |
| 19:43.03 | carmony | are we doing food afterwards? |
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| 19:56.06 | herlo | macnewbold: did you find a presenter? |
| 20:04.00 | macnewbold | herlo: Utah_Dave is getting a sitter so he can do it on Code Igniter I think |
| 20:04.12 | macnewbold | carmony: yes, there's an applebees at gateway we're planning on |
| 20:04.28 | carmony | haha, sounds good :) |
| 20:04.29 | herlo | nice |
| 20:04.33 | herlo | macnewbold: that's great! |
| 20:04.39 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: I'm still working on getting a sitter. |
| 20:05.07 | herlo | macnewbold: I think I've got clearance to make the meeting. How early can I come to setup and show you how to do the recording? |
| 20:05.16 | carmony | josephscott: what do you think about all the new stuff that is circulating about the Thesis WP theme and GPL? :P |
| 20:05.57 | josephscott | I think it is reasonable for the WP community to expect plugins and themes to be GPL |
| 20:06.30 | josephscott | and that so far the legal advice has been that because WP is GPL, there is a contractual requirement for them to be so |
| 20:09.28 | josephscott | I like to think of it this way, shouldn't themes and plugins grant the same freedoms as WP itself? |
| 20:09.39 | carmony | yeah |
| 20:09.48 | josephscott | that said, when it comes to open source licenses I generally prefer BSD/MIT style over GPL |
| 20:10.07 | josephscott | but for WP that really doesn't matter, WP is GPL, if you don't like the terms, use something else |
| 20:10.14 | josephscott | not really rock science |
| 20:10.53 | carmony | It'll be interesting to see how GPL and the law is held up over these next few years, since technology is getting more and more complicated |
| 20:11.50 | josephscott | here's the thing though, if for some reason (though I think it unlikely) the GPL is ruled as legally invalid, then no one has any rights to using WP |
| 20:11.56 | DexterTheDragon | I lock rock science |
| 20:12.12 | josephscott | since those are the only terms under which you are allowed to use it |
| 20:12.12 | DexterTheDragon | s/lock/love/ |
| 20:12.16 | DexterTheDragon | stupid brain |
| 20:12.16 | carmony | yeah |
| 20:12.29 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: :-) I should have just said geology |
| 20:13.10 | josephscott | so if you goal is to invalidate the GPL from a legal stand point, you don't really help your situation, you actually make it worse |
| 20:13.44 | carmony | I think the GPL needs to stay where its at, and unfortunately I wish people honored the GPL more and more |
| 20:14.48 | josephscott | I wish people just actually read it, if they are going to build on it |
| 20:17.14 | macnewbold | herlo: looks like mindjuju might be coming around 6:15pm |
| 20:17.39 | macnewbold | i have a phone call from 6 to about 6:30/6:45, but you're welcome whenever and I should be able to join you no later than 645 |
| 20:17.50 | herlo | macnewbold: okay, I will show up about that same time then |
| 20:25.55 | carmony | I'll probably be there around then too |
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| 21:15.48 | influx | macnewbold: I'm good. I'm familiar with Exchange Place. |
| 21:15.49 | influx | :) |
| 21:45.29 | mgeary | @#$^#$%#@$!@@# Rackspace |
| 21:45.59 | mgeary | &%#^#$%# !@#$ @#$@#$!@!!! |
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| 22:18.28 | josephscott | mgeary: what's going on at Rackspace? |
| 22:18.50 | mgeary | josephscott: one sec, i'll paste my chat transcript |
| 22:22.50 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/218264/ |
| 22:23.34 | mgeary | it's a long read |
| 22:23.43 | mgeary | and i may not come across very flatteringly |
| 22:23.49 | mgeary | but i'm really ticked off |
| 22:27.27 | josephscott | sounds like they can't make up their minds |
| 22:28.53 | mgeary | the thing that ticks me off the most is this line: |
| 22:29.03 | josephscott | I know which one :-) |
| 22:29.04 | mgeary | "Ross D: Whether or not we can or can't do it, I have just been told unequivocal that we are NOT doing it. " |
| 22:29.09 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:29.27 | josephscott | not a way to win friends |
| 22:29.43 | DexterTheDragon | my favorite was Ross D: Configuring a server and acquiring that knowledge is never a waste |
| 22:30.03 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:31.19 | josephscott | just bill him for your day and half :-) |
| 22:31.56 | mgeary | exactly |
| 22:32.35 | mgeary | in the trouble ticket i was told, "just use rsync or scp to transfer the files". |
| 22:33.01 | mgeary | but if it were really that simple, they wouldn't offer the ability to save out a server as an image in the first place. It's NOT that simple |
| 22:36.49 | mgeary | anyone know any viable alternatives to Rackspace besides Amazon? After this experience, I'm really not happy about continuing to give them my business |
| 22:37.56 | jsmith | mgeary: IBM has a cloud as well |
| 22:38.10 | jsmith | mgeary: It performed well in my (limited) testing. |
| 22:52.34 | mgeary | what about stackable? Or is that apples to oranges? |
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| 23:31.03 | supernovia | mindj. wt? |
| 23:31.13 | supernovia | alas |
| 23:31.31 | supernovia | well, then, DexterTheDragon this cake is for you |
| 23:31.32 | supernovia | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wGr8njEWjtI/TDPNF4GJUYI/AAAAAAAAKIk/siGFepsegFk/s1600/Dori+K+.+lw+.+don't+techno.jpg |
| 23:32.00 | supernovia | "don't techno for an answer" |
| 23:33.32 | supernovia | courtesy of cakewrecks.com |
