IRC log for #uphpu on 20100623

00:27.50mindjujuanybody know how i can find out under who's username a command tried to run
00:27.52mindjujuhere is what is going on
00:28.18mindjujui've made a change to /etc/postfix/main.cf
00:28.35mindjujuand when i try to restart postfix, it says that it doesn't have permissions to look at a couple folders
00:28.38mindjujui want to update that
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01:03.56supernoviahmindjuju I'm not really sure but could you watch top or something to see what's running when you run that? or ps_tree?
01:11.22supernoviaherg. I am so in css mode with that underscore thing. golly
01:11.23supernoviahsorry
01:18.54mindjujui need to get home, or i won't be driving straight :(
01:30.47supernoviahdid you leave yet mindjuju?
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02:28.57supernoviahbah.
02:29.18supernoviahI can't seem to sort out these handful of redirects…
02:29.35supernoviahbasically I want to redirect from an old, query-stringed url, to a new url without a query string
02:30.13supernoviahso your simple redirect:
02:30.37supernoviahredirect 301 /old.php?id=1 /new/
02:31.15supernoviahrather..  redirect 301 /old.php?id=1 http://thesite.com/new/
02:31.30supernoviahends up giving me http://thesite.com/new/?id=1
02:32.38supernoviahand I can see how to ignore a query string completely - but I need the old one.  and I've got how to pass it along, but I don't want it on the new one. and my brain is frizzled out, I'm afraid :-(
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02:52.36ninnypantssupernovia you still around?
02:52.44supernoviahhey, yeah
02:52.52ninnypantspastbin?
02:53.11supernoviahsure. hang on a sec
02:53.54supernoviahactually - I decided to switch to a mod rewrite but I can't test it
02:54.16supernoviah(well, no mod_rewrite on this system anyway - I'll upload it and test it)
02:54.19supernoviahbut I think I got it now finally
02:54.39ninnypantssweet
02:55.31supernoviahhttp://pastebin.com/N6eAVGBb
02:55.35supernoviahso something like that I'm thinkin...
02:55.51supernoviahI'm waiting to test it on the dev server though b/c that's being cut over :)
02:56.46ninnypantswont work
02:56.50supernoviahoh?
02:57.10ninnypantsyour rewrite condition cant be correct while the rewrite rule matches
02:57.11supernoviahalas, I'd only found it in a forum
02:57.27ninnypantsso it wont run
02:57.45ninnypantsI can help you write one thogh
02:57.58ninnypantswant to pm so we don't have big posts?
02:58.08supernoviahYeah that'd be good. Thank you!
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13:58.56macnewboldhaha
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14:31.58mindjujuDtD, do you have xtrementl 's email addy?
14:32.11mindjujui've got something so uber awesome its crazy awesome
14:32.21utahconmindjuju: is it $1.8B?
14:32.32mindjujubetter
14:33.21mindjujuit's even better than the jalsberg Google website
14:34.09mindjujuit's like tasty bbq + 4th of July + Christmas + New Years + twinkie all put together
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14:34.31utahconWhat?! I am in!
14:35.17mindjujuk, but i'm going to post it to the mailing list here in just a minute
14:35.22mindjujuhttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/64765/
14:36.54utahconneat
14:36.59mindjujuyup
14:37.18mindjujubrute force any web form
14:37.37mindjujuhope you've got something that limits chances and then dumps you to captcha
14:38.33utahconI saw a Firefox addon (not in the Official site) that did some sort of OCR on captcha
14:38.38mindjujui'm sure brute could be faster with curl and a loop, but this kind of tech lowers the bar on who can run attacks
14:38.39utahconblew right through them
14:39.44mindjujuutahcon
14:39.49utahconmindjuju
14:40.03mindjujudoes zend framework offer any captcha
14:40.15utahconhttp://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.captcha.html
14:40.47mindjujuif you promise to cover it for just a moment, i'll pimp your preso in august
14:40.58utahconSure I can pimp it
14:42.18mindjujusent
14:43.56mindjujui love how this article focuses on assessment tools and that FOSS database solutions don't have many (i don't know differently), and doesn't mention intrinsic database security which MS SQL 2k5 and 2k8 just barely started to redeem itself
14:43.57mindjujuhttp://www.darkreading.com/blog/archives/2010/06/open_source_dat.html?cid=nl_DR_DAILY_2010-06-23_h
14:45.42mindjujucarmony, you around?
14:53.35beandogmindjuju, wow, that was a totally vague, nicely veiled attack on open source DBs.
14:53.44mindjujuyup
14:53.52beandogLet's rewind a bit here.
14:54.01beandogLet's see, a security analyst writing about security on OSS databases.
14:54.11mindjujuand like i say, security wasn't even a thought in ms sql 2k and below
14:54.14beandogSince he can't sell his services for those, he'll rip on them.
14:54.16beandogMakes sense to me!
14:54.32mindjujuthey 2k5, they thought a little about it
14:54.38mindjuju2k8 they thought a little more
14:54.46beandogHe never once got into specifics of what they were missing .. just generics.
14:54.50mindjujubut how many exploits were there for 2k?  tons!
14:55.08mindjujuthe whole sql mail and sql execute
14:55.10mindjujunuts!
14:55.26beandogYou can see his obvious bias here: " They are used as a replacement for Oracle, DB2, and SQL Server when cost or flexibility is an issue."
14:55.59mindjujuyup
14:56.00beandogThat's like saying, "We find that people go to Wal-Mart when Target is closed."
14:56.01beandogwth?
14:56.13utahconI go to Walmart when Target is open
14:56.17utahcontarget is too expensive
14:56.18utahcon:D
14:56.22utahconuber cheap
14:56.40beandogWal-Mart = Chinese crap on parade
14:56.50mindjujuheh
14:56.51utahconbeandog: yes it, but it is CHEAP crap
14:56.55beandogIt's like the dollar store, but with variable pricing
14:56.56utahconTarget is expensive crap
14:57.13beandogActually, all department stores are that way (I shouldnt rip just on Wal-Mart)
14:57.25beandogEverything these days is made by cheap exploitable labor.  Sad.
14:57.40utahconmmm cheap exploitable labor
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14:58.05mindjujuipod / ipad made in china
15:01.59beandog"I would say another consideration about open-source databases is they tend to be used either with homegrown apps or with other open-source apps, and that means those apps are more likely to have SQL injection vulnerabilities," says Phil Neray, vice president of security strategy of Guardium, an IBM company.
15:02.02beandogWow, what a stretch.
15:02.23mindjujuyup
15:03.05mindjujua lot of FOSS is apps that were built BECAUSE of the inherent problems with commercialSoft
15:04.17beandogIt's been my experience that those that rely on a proprietary marketplace will consistently rag on solutions that don't need them.
15:05.49beandogAnyway.
15:06.25mindjujui see that got ya fired up!  sorry
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15:09.27beandogmindjuju, its all good
15:09.33beandogthese articles make sense once you follow the money
15:09.58mindjujui bombed it in #udbug maybe they can post a reply
15:10.09mindjujui know eggyknap is a big postres fan
15:11.40beandogaye
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15:12.05beandoghttp://ocaroco.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/unicorn-chaser-embed-zoom.jpg
15:12.05beandogLOL
15:12.07beandogLOL
15:12.19mindjujuawesome
15:13.40beandoghttp://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/unicorn-chaser.html
15:13.41beandogoh
15:13.45beandogthinkgeek, of course :)
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15:14.53influxWho puts stickers on their mac?
15:14.55influx:|
15:16.55fungusmindjuju, relink?
15:20.21mindjujuoh sorry, here
15:20.37mindjuju01http://www.darkreading.com/blog/archives/2010/06/open_source_dat.html?cid=nl_DR_DAILY_2010-06-23_h
15:21.18beandogmindjuju, you know what the sad part is?
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15:21.31beandogmindjuju, the article he references in the opening paragraph uses *him* as a reference!
15:21.34mindjujuerr, i actually put up a couple links already, was it the blog on FOSS db bad or the brute web form extension for FF ?
15:21.37beandogThis is why I hate journalism.
15:21.50mindjujuheh, didn't notice that
15:21.58beandogIt's like saying .. "The New York Times ... which quoted me ... says this is a big problem!  Oh noes!"
15:22.35mindjujui think one of us should write a counter
15:22.42mindjujui just don't have time today
15:23.34beandogI really hate journalism.
15:23.38beandogWell, crappy journalism.
15:23.48beandogThey employ so many tactics of deceit, it just makes my skin crawl.
15:23.59mindjujuyeah, true of crappy journalism
15:24.06beandogThere are so many subtleties in the way they write things.
15:24.18beandogJust consider the *titles* as an effective way of influencing opinion.
15:24.25beandogNot that one, it's pretty boring
15:24.30beandogBut stuff like "Is your soap killing you?"
15:24.32beandogUm, whut?
15:24.40mindjujuyup, a good headline
15:24.47mindjujuand sadly, that's mostly what people read
15:24.48beandogI can't stand it.
15:24.55beandogThis is why I don't have TV anymore.
15:25.14mindjujuand whats worse is articles that put disenting point of view, puts it at the bottom
15:25.14beandogdeath to big media.  They are targetting the LCD, which apparently are dumb as bricks.
15:26.09beandogmindjuju, wanna read a cool blog?  check out media shift
15:26.24beandogThey had a cool article the other day about how the attitude of political news coverage can incite civil unrest
15:27.28mindjujuyes, that's very true, that's why China's gov so closely regulates the media there
15:27.30beandoghttp://www.pbs.org/mediashift/
15:27.51beandogThey still lean towards the old guard a bit, but it's a good read, most of the time.
15:28.31mgearyhow much do i hate FTP
15:28.37mgearylet me count the ways
15:28.40beandogmgeary, whys that?
15:29.26beandogmindjuju, this is another *great* blog ... it seems to me like they never form their own conclusions, but rather ask a lot of rhetorical questions
15:29.29beandogmindjuju, http://contexts.org/socimages/
15:29.43macnewboldhttp://symphonyofscience.com/
15:29.45macnewboldthese rock
15:29.51mgearyinvariably i have a client who wants me to ftp download a folder with dozens of subfolders/items in it. Invariably, at some point along the way something times out. I know you can resume download of a single file over FTP, but i have yet to find a way to resume download of a folder
15:30.25beandogmgeary, yafc -r
15:30.25mindjujufilezilla does that
15:30.48beandogwhoops wrong switch
15:30.56mindjujuit marks those files in folders that failed and can be easily trasfered back to download status
15:31.12beandogget -r
15:31.13beandog<PROTECTED>
15:31.18beandog<PROTECTED>
15:31.27mgearybeandog: but does -R work on a folder?
15:31.30beandogyafc = best ftp client EVAR.
15:31.39beandogmgeary, well a folder is a group *of* files ... so, yes
15:31.51beandogI would guess that it would
15:32.02beandogright?
15:32.46mgearyi'll try it
15:33.53macnewboldmgeary: you might try filezilla too, i think it works for that
15:34.08beandogfilezilla is sexy nice
15:34.17beandogcross platform, too.
15:37.16beandogmgeary, oh okay, it just clicked what you're trying to do.
15:37.24beandogmgeary, yah, use filezilla.
15:37.57beandogOy, what a morning.
15:38.17mindjujuon another note, toy story 3 scares me
15:38.47beandogwhys that
15:38.47Heartsbanedon't wet yourself
15:38.58mindjujuheartsbane, what up bro
15:39.15Heartsbanenothing just wasting time
15:39.16mindjujujust that the first movie was so good, the second was pretty good, the third?
15:41.35influxI have heard nothing but good things about it so far.
15:41.48mindjujuIt's a trap!
15:41.49influxIt made one of my guy friends cry.
15:41.55influx:O
15:42.03mindjujuyeah, my wife and son went to go see it
15:42.12mindjujushe says it's like Brave Little toaster
15:42.16beandogWhat!
15:42.23beandogNothing compares to Brave Little Toaster
15:42.29influxNah-sing!
15:42.33influxNah-sing compares!
15:42.34mindjujuthey are both disney movie
15:42.38beandogmindjuju, no, its not
15:42.44mindjujusupposedly the stories are similar
15:42.51beandogBrave Little Toaster was distributed by Disney.  That's the only connection.
15:43.00beandogI'm going to go listen to the soundtrack now.
15:43.18influxI wonder how much of a hand Disney hand in Toy Story 3.
15:43.19beandogThey did *not* produce / design / do anything creative
15:43.47influxs/I wonder how much of a hand Disney had in Toy Story 3./I wonder how much of a hand Disney hand in Toy Story 3.
15:43.50influxballs
15:43.56influxsorry
15:43.59mindjujuscary - http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810015860/info
15:44.07mindjujuare we going to see bugs life 2 now?
15:44.18beandogGeez.
15:44.19mindjujuwhat about little nemo 2
15:44.22beandogDisney and their freaking sequels.
15:44.25beandogMy crap.
15:44.35beandogWhy be creative when you can churn out 4 of the same movie?
15:44.47mindjujuexaxtly my fear with toy story 3
15:45.00mindjujui can tell you toy story 4 is coming out
15:45.37mindjujuWood v wood chipper
15:46.08mindjujutroy-bilt wood chipper even
15:46.20mindjuju(as seen on tv)
15:49.29fungushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tax4e4hBBZc
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15:51.22beandogthat was awesome.
15:51.32fungusyeah, so excited for Portal 2
15:51.45beandogI would play that game, but I know it would drive me criminally insane.
15:52.08mindjujuportal was a fun game
15:53.05supernoviamy friends -forced- me to play portal the other day on threat of taking away my geek card
15:53.15fungusgood
15:53.17mindjujuyes, you must play
15:53.35fungusWhen I get frustrated I just dig out a walkthrough or cheat
15:54.17beandogyou know what game I love?
15:54.20beandogI cant remember the name of it now
15:54.24beandogIts that old Star Wars game
15:54.30beandogwith Kyle Katarn
15:54.40beandogYou can force push everyone off ledges ... so much fun :D
15:55.06beandogor do a force choke ... then hold them over a ledge and drop em
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15:57.40mindjujubeandog, was that dark jedi
15:58.01mgearyno, it was Jedi Academy
15:58.13mindjujui think i saw it being played, there was one my friend was playing that he couldn't figure out how to get to the last guy
15:58.41mindjujulike a dinosaur looking bad guy if i recall
15:58.50mgearymindjuju: yeah
15:59.06supernoviais anyone here super handy with redirects? :-/
15:59.40mindjujuhmmm
15:59.41mgearymindjuju: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Jedi_Knight_II:_Jedi_Outcast
15:59.57mgearythe dinosaur guy is Desann
16:00.03beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgvzSDcCH4g
16:00.04beandogwow, crazy
16:00.08mgearyyou use Force-Speed to get him
16:00.10mgeary:)
16:00.11mindjujustrangely, i'm pulling up a blank of modrewrite people here
16:00.24beandoglooks a little too violent at some points
16:00.24mindjujui know fungus knows the mechanics of it
16:00.30beandoggraphics look awesome tho
16:00.33supernoviaI used to be pretty decent at it but this has me pulling my hair out
16:00.34mindjujubut id on't know who knows regex
16:00.44mindjujuthat they say they are great at
16:00.47supernoviano regex needed on these, that's what's so crazy
16:01.01supernoviathey _should_ just work :-S
16:01.30mindjujucurious
16:01.35fungussupernovia, "curl -v" is a great tool for diagnosing redirect problems.
16:01.35beandogI hate redirects.
16:01.44beandogfungus, oh, thats an awesome idea man
16:01.46fungusIt shows you all the headers of each redirect.
16:02.36supernoviaHummm let me see, i've no idea how to use it. man ftw.
16:02.44fungusthat is, unless you are doing a meta refresh or javascript redirect
16:02.59fungus"curl -v URL"
16:03.09supernoviajust your run-o-the-mill .htaccess redirects
16:03.25supernoviahad to get fancy and do a rewrite because I'm trying to get rid of a query string it keeps appending
16:03.27fungusUsing Redirect, RedirectMatch, or mod_rewrite?
16:03.58supernoviaI've tried all three a number of times between 9pm and now :-p
16:04.18beandogsupernovia, does the server accept overrides in .htaccess?
16:04.38supernoviathat is a good q.
16:04.46supernoviaseems half the time it's just laughing at me...
16:05.10supernoviawell, the wordpress redirects are happy as doodlebugs fwiw
16:06.14beandogpastebin it
16:06.29beandogso we can laugh too :)
16:06.38supernoviahehe
16:06.48supernovialet me collect a few failures
16:08.31supernoviaactually, before I taint your minds with junk that _doesn't_ work...
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16:08.50mindjujuyeah, don't taint my mind
16:08.52supernoviawhat would you do to get http://www.blendtec.com/products.aspx?category=14 to go to http://www.blendtec.com/products-page/will-it-blend/ ?
16:09.22supernoviaWe don't have to many links that -have- to change, so I thought some simple 301s would do the trick
16:09.31supernoviaer, redirect 301s
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16:13.53mindjuju@beandog - looks cool - 100% no rick roll - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0RuR3FREFw
16:14.30beandogI think that mindjuju's links are perfectly timed to sync with the moment where I just manage to reach producitivity again.
16:14.41mindjujusorry :(
16:14.46utahconbeandog: it's his talent
16:14.48mindjujudon't look at it, it's a rick roll
16:15.18beandogBioware
16:15.28beandogThe gaming company that can do no wrong.
16:15.38beandogdid that guy just stab himself?
16:16.23beandogooh cool guns
16:17.05beandogthat looks like Malak
16:17.39beandogthat dude had some happiness issues.
16:18.47beandogoh *wow*
16:18.48fungussupernovia, have you tried this?
16:18.49beandogthat was cool.
16:18.52fungusRedirect /products.aspx?category=14 /products-page/will-it-blend/
16:19.20supernoviaso without the 301 and without the http://www.blendtec.com ?
16:19.50fungus302 is default, but that's usually ok
16:19.58fungusyeah, don't need full URL if staying on same site
16:20.02fungusIIRC
16:20.29supernoviatrying it out
16:20.30beandogmindjuju, okay, that was *really* awesome
16:20.37beandogmindjuju, is that for the mmo?
16:20.37SunSparcI saw that SWTOR trailer the other day.  I think they should just make movies.  That trailer was amazing.
16:20.48fungusor "Redirect /products.aspx?category=14 http://www.blendtec.com/products-page/will-it-blend/"
16:20.52beandog~mindjuju++
16:21.17fungusFor that simple of a redirect mod_rewrite is overkill.
16:22.08beandogSunSparc, srslys
16:23.19mindjujuk, i'm back
16:23.28mindjujulink was way cool
16:23.30mindjujusunsparc
16:23.30beandogI wish there were more TRON games.
16:23.40mindjujuwhat was the name of that place in AF
16:23.42mindjujuthe sammich place
16:24.22beandoghttp://www.amazon.com/TRON-Evolution-Playstation-3/dp/B0030MQPQ8/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1277310251&sr=1-1
16:24.24supernoviathanks fungus, I'm gonna try this out on a fake setup for a bit (got 500'd with my last test :-S)
16:24.45supernoviatheoretical urls, it'll be good times.
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16:54.05beandogwow, my code actually worked right the first time.
16:54.22mindjuju~beandog++
16:54.42beandogoh, wait
16:55.00beandogweighted averages are confusing.
17:02.53mindjujuany QA testers looking for a job?
17:07.29supernoviaor for these redirects to work already ;-p
17:15.49mindjuju~give supernovia unicorn chaser
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17:15.50mindjujusupernovia, even better than a hug
17:15.50mindjujuhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/unicorn-chaser.html
17:15.50mindjujuibot, you're fired
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17:16.10mindjuju~give supernovia unicorn chaser
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17:16.19mindjujubetter
17:16.23supernoviaOo, a unicorn chaser?
17:25.54SunSparcsupernovia: You doing web sites still?  I have a lead for you.
17:26.42supernoviaoh man, thank you for thinking of me.  I am _so_ swamped though
17:27.11supernoviaI got a q for you though SunSparc: what's that sandwich restaurant in AF that Mrs Sunsparc and my SIL like so much?
17:29.21SunSparcDP Cheesesteaks
17:29.35SunSparchttp://www.thedowntownphilly.com/
17:29.44supernoviaOh yes.
17:30.12supernoviathanks!
17:30.34SunSparcMy pleasure.
17:30.40mindjujui need a coffepot thing for my office
17:30.56mindjujulike a Mr. Coffee
17:32.27mindjujupitcher would be good, but a Mr. Coffee would be better
17:32.55mindjujuwith a Mr. Coffee, you can get nearly to boil point, and therefore make noodles
17:32.57mindjujuand soups
17:33.20mindjujuand i'm thinking of some kind of device that would sit on the warm plate so that I could toast using the coffee warmer thing
17:33.22influxninnypants: yo
17:33.55mindjujuooo!  with a modified coffee pot thing, you could steam veggies too
17:37.14supernovialol mindjuju
17:37.39supernoviawell my dad just bought some crazy device that's supposed to replace your microwave, stove, and oven...
17:38.00mindjujui've decided, that's too much work.  the new plan is that since alls i have to do is keep the glass at an even temperture, is temper some flasks
17:38.07mindjujuflasks + mr coffee ftw!
17:38.28supernoviaI still need to see if I can get you that easybake
17:38.39mindjujuthey won't allow it
17:38.43mindjujumy work won't
17:38.55mindjujuso i'm trying to find things that can make things crispy, not just hot and soggy
17:42.46Utah_Davemindjuju: high powered lasers.
17:43.11mindjujuhmm, lasers
17:44.47mindjujuthis is SO not true
17:44.48mindjujuhttp://pleated-jeans.com/2010/06/22/whats-getting-geeks-outside-this-summer-chart/
17:44.53mindjujuwell, maybe a little true
17:45.39SunSparcheh
17:45.52SunSparcThe Ragnar Relay got me out of the house.
17:47.22mindjujusounds like fun!
17:48.06SunSparcThe Ragnar?  Oh yes it is fun.  :)
17:49.42supernoviait does not sound like fun to me… but I'm glad you had a good time!  I'm just bad at running
17:50.17mindjujuso supernovia, do you want to try for a geeky lunch in the UC or come up to sandy?
17:51.49supernoviawhen?
17:52.02mindjujuthis friday
17:52.25supernoviaI'm not positive whether I could make it anyhow - considering driving down to manti if I can get my car to behave
17:52.35SunSparcsupernovia: I used to hate running also.
17:52.49supernoviaI get asthma and I feel like I'm gonna die
17:53.16supernoviaI don't mind sprinting, but the longer stuff kills me
17:53.17mindjujuah
17:53.23mindjujuno worries, hope your car works
17:53.45ninnypantssupernovia: what's wrong with your car?
17:54.02mindjujui might make a run for the border to get a taco
17:55.38supernoviaI dunno, thought it was the muffler / tailpipe but it's only loud when I'm going fast
17:55.56supernoviaeven in neutral
17:56.25mindjujumy neighbor is a mechanic, i might could get you my "neighbor" price
17:57.44ninnypantscould be bearings or something in the stearing/ stearing stabelizers
17:58.00fungusthis sucks, my boss is showing off his new iPhone.  I'm still under contract for another year.  :(
17:59.28supernoviahehe
17:59.39mindjujui wish i could draw, that's be an awesome comic
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18:10.12supernoviaindeed
18:10.38supernoviabut yeah by "Fast" I mean > 35mph.  It's nice and quiet in the neighborhoods (thank goodness.)
18:13.23mgearyfungus: i can upgrade my phone, but according to ATT, it's so back-ordered that they've stopped taking orders
18:13.52fungusyup.
18:14.20mgearyanyone know if you can do it at the Apple Store directly? I've got a Gateway gift certificate i need to use
18:14.20fungusMy boss called our sales rep and asked to pre-order them the day of the announcement.
18:15.12mindjujutoo bad you can't just hve like bluetooth ear thing connect to an ipad connected to 3g
18:15.18mindjujuwith dialing via voice
18:15.28mindjujuor app, as needed
18:17.29mgearyheh. i just wish the iphone supported bluetooth audio controls
18:18.00mgearyi can play music from my iphone through my car speakers through bluetooth, but the iphone (3G) doesn't support the controls to next/previous song. Anyone know if the new iphone does?
18:20.23mgearyi guess it's called AVRCP
18:30.05mindjujumgeary, do you know if the car is sending the advance song command via bluetooth?
18:30.21mindjujumaybe not iphone?
18:30.36mindjujui don't know, i have enither an iphone nor a car with bluetooth
18:30.41mgearywell, google seems to be pretty sure that iPhone <= 3 doesn't do AVRCP
18:30.48mgearywell, it does a subset
18:30.53mgearyjust play/pause. not next/prev
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18:31.00mgearyso it's pretty clearly an iphone deal
18:31.21mindjujuah
18:34.44mindjujusunsparc
18:34.55mindjujuthis fine gem seems to be made just for you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2LPxggvqY
18:35.10mindjujuand now i know what a vuvuzela is
18:38.23SunSparcmindjuju: LOL
18:38.29mindjuju:0
18:38.33mindjuju:)
18:40.32SunSparcNow I want to listen to...
18:41.04supernoviaOo nice.
18:41.11SunSparcIndeed
18:41.41SunSparcsupernovia: Is there anyone that you refer people to when you are not accepting web site work?
18:41.50SunSparcCarrot soup?  What is in it?
18:42.34supernoviacarrots, broth, etc.
18:42.35supernoviacream
18:42.49SunSparcbroth of what?
18:43.09SunSparcMy taste buds are trying to imagine it
18:43.29supernoviachicken
18:44.32SunSparcHmmm, did you enjoy it?
18:45.01SunSparcI have had carrot juice straight and it is a bit undesirable to me.
18:45.19SunSparcI am not sure if chicken broth and cream could overcome that.
18:45.47SunSparcI think I would need something else in it to counteract the strength of the rich carrot flavor and sweetness.
18:46.01mindjujucelery
18:46.01SunSparcBroccoli perhaps, or spinach.
18:46.12SunSparcCelery could help, yes.
18:47.13supernoviasorry, afk for a sec.  Yeah it's really yummy. beandog gave me the idea
18:47.42supernoviabut basically - carmelize a little onion, add carrots, cover it with broth, and cook till the carrots are soft
18:47.59supernoviathen blend it so it's smooth & add some cream and whatever spices suit you (it's good with cinnamon like a butternut squash soup0
18:48.33SunSparcHmmm, caramelized onion and carrots... I can see that
18:49.34supernoviait's kinda sweet. very lovely.
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18:50.25SunSparcThe caramelized onion could add a bit of savory.
18:50.31supernoviasame basic recipe works with lots of veggies actually, but you'd want to be judicious with the spice you chose
18:50.33supernoviachoose
18:50.41supernoviaYeah, it's good :)
18:52.18SunSparcCool
18:54.49mindjuju~seen dexterthedragon
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19:56.57beandogalright mindjuju, you may resume sending of links
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20:05.58utahconwhat wordcamp utah pictures?
20:06.12mgearyutahcon: you were absent that day
20:06.18mgearythere ninnypants is, right in front of PoeticIntensity
20:06.26utahcon:(
20:06.27mgearyi can't believe he wore that shirt
20:06.34utahconWordcamp 2008?
20:06.42ninnypantsyup
20:06.44PoeticIntensitywhat?
20:06.45utahconoh ok
20:06.49utahconI was there!
20:06.59PoeticIntensityI was at Wordcamp?
20:07.24ninnypantsback in 08
20:07.46PoeticIntensityLOL
20:07.53PoeticIntensityokay, okay... Maybe that is the case.
20:08.18PoeticIntensityI wanna be in the wordcamp picture, too!
20:08.35beandoghttp://twitpic.com/1yreeu
20:09.13utahconno popsicle makers?!
20:09.20mgearyi'm a popsicle maker
20:09.22utahconwhat is this world coming to?@!
20:10.24utahconI think this is a ploy from the Airport Popsicle stands to boost Popsicle sales
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20:16.51supernoviaI think we're gonna have wordcamp 2010, right josephscott?
20:17.08josephscottyep, posted about today!
20:17.09ninnypantswe are http://2010.utah.wordcamp.org/
20:17.21josephscottutahcon: http://josephscott.org/archives/2010/06/wordcamp-utah-2010/
20:17.27josephscotthttp://2010.utah.wordcamp.org/
20:17.54ninnypantsthat's the pic I was refering to
20:17.55utahconw00t!
20:18.12beandogPoeticIntensity is the lady in front with the white laptop
20:18.52PoeticIntensity~lart beandog
20:18.52ibotchops beandog in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
20:18.57beandogeek
20:19.02beandogheh
20:19.24beandogmindjuju, I need more Star Wars videos ...
20:20.53beandoggah.
20:21.03beandogthat movie had one redeeming quality
20:21.14PoeticIntensityit was good?
20:21.18beandogthe hamster
20:21.19PoeticIntensityyeah.. that's pretty redeeming.
20:21.24PoeticIntensityhehe.
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20:24.15supernoviaoh yeah I'm in that pic too talking to swb, ah the days
20:25.00ninnypantssupernovia: left side?
20:25.18supernoviain the green
20:25.23supernoviaI look awful ;-S
20:25.31beandogjosephscott, annoying page break is annoying
20:25.45supernoviabut I suppose I look like that all the time. *sigh*
20:26.02beandogespecially when theres 7 words after the break .. :T
20:26.14supernoviahehe that's awesome
20:27.33josephscottyeah, it's the default wordcamp template
20:28.28ninnypantsbeandog: the tv show?
20:28.46beandogninnypants, video game, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgvzSDcCH4g
20:29.03beandogI wonder if the graphics are gonna be that good.
20:30.06SunSparcWoot!  Germany take Ghana!
20:35.06ninnypantsthe new xbox 360 is so much prettier than my eliete
20:42.13beandogI need a walk
20:42.20influxthere's a video floating around, supposedly, of someone demoing it and a second person moving it ever so slightly when an un-natural (within the context of an operating xbox) sound is emitted by the console.
20:42.40influxBut it does look really nice.
20:44.07ninnypantsyeah I rarely use mine, and even then it's usually just to watch videos off my hard drive
20:45.05ninnypantsI really want to play fat princess
20:45.36beandogheh
20:45.38beandogthat game is fun
20:46.08beandogPoeticIntensity hates all my ideas
20:46.11beandog:C
20:47.03PoeticIntensitylooked like a darn fun game.  I just don't have a PS3.
20:47.13PoeticIntensitynot sure what other platforms it's available for.
20:47.20beandogis it ps3 only?
20:47.38beandogyah
20:47.46PoeticIntensityThat'd be why I didn't try it... :)
20:47.52ninnypantsyep ps3 only
20:48.29beandogI still havent tried that one ...
20:49.28SunSparcWorld of Goo++
20:49.38SunSparcThe kids like it also
20:50.04ninnypantshaven't tried that one
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20:52.20supernoviaI gotta buy it :)
20:54.40PoeticIntensityya know... I think I'm gonna buy that one, too.
20:54.45PoeticIntensityI played the demo, and loved it...
20:54.55PoeticIntensityand they put forth the effort to get it to work on Linux, so...
20:54.59PoeticIntensitythey deserve it.
20:55.03beandogtheres a sequel to Majesty!?!@!@!@#$$!#
20:55.06PoeticIntensityafterall, I bought Left 4 Dead 2.
20:56.12beandogSometimes I think there's all these great games out there I've never heard of.
20:56.27PoeticIntensitythere aren't any, beandog
20:56.31PoeticIntensityYou've heard of em' all..
20:56.33PoeticIntensityno doubt.
20:56.38PoeticIntensity~lart beandog
20:56.38ibotchops beandog in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
20:56.46PoeticIntensitywoo hoo!  Two in a row!
20:57.02SunSparcbeandog: There is this one sweet game called Modern Warfare.  Rocks.
20:57.03beandogThere's another King's Bounty, too???????
20:57.04beandogeek
20:57.13beandogSunSparc, whats that
20:57.22SunSparcOh, and have you ever heard of one called, World of Warcraft?
20:57.36SunSparcheh
20:57.44SunSparc~wake beandog
20:57.45ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on beandog and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
20:57.54beandogI did buy Mass Effect
20:57.56beandogI didnt like it t ho
20:58.10SunSparcDid you ever play Grim Fandango?
20:58.14beandogYah
20:58.17beandogI got about halfway thr
20:58.19beandogthrough
20:58.19SunSparcThat was a sweet one.
20:58.20ninnypantsI tried WoW but it wasn't good
20:58.20unumhow about cleopatra?
20:58.28beandogno
20:58.31SunSparcninnypants: lol
20:58.41beandogman these games are expensive
20:58.58ninnypantsI can understand how it gets to be adicting though
20:59.18supernoviathat's why I don't play them (expense + I already spend way too much time at the desk anyway)
20:59.53beandogwhut?
20:59.55beandoghttp://store.steampowered.com/app/27400/
21:00.27SunSparcwhat?!
21:00.32SunSparcIs that?
21:00.39beandogI wasnt expecting to see that under RPG
21:01.56ninnypantsnot completly sure why it made me give a birth date
21:02.11beandogI said I was born in 1931
21:02.19ninnypantsnice
21:02.26SunSparcYeah, I always lie on those
21:02.41beandogSomewhere, someone thinks a creepy 79 year old man is looking at computer games about young girls.
21:02.46SunSparcI wonder how many 100 year old users they get.
21:02.56SunSparclol
21:03.12SunSparcslow times at the nursing home
21:03.40beandoghttp://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/
21:04.27beandogwow Battle Chess!
21:04.31beandogman I havent seen that in years
21:04.41mgearyGOG++
21:05.12beandogI remember I bought Fallout on here.
21:05.18beandogI can't figure that game out to save my life.
21:05.30mgearyFallout is awesome
21:05.42beandogI dont understand what you're supposed to do
21:05.46mgearyi loved Fallout 1 and 2
21:05.50mgearydude, save the Vault
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21:06.52ninnypantsanything by bethesda is awesome
21:07.11mgearywhat else do they have?
21:07.25beandogelder scrolls I think
21:08.16beandogI think they also did a star trek turn based game on PS2
21:08.18beandogI forget the name
21:08.20beandogIm hooked on it though.
21:08.41beandogdangit.  Now I wanna go home and force push people off ledges again.
21:09.14ninnypantsyeah elder scrolls is awesome
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21:09.28mgearybeandog: what's funner is to do a force jump, really high, and then do a force pull to suck the bad guys way up into the sky
21:09.37mgearythen they fall and smash against the floor
21:09.45beandogmgeary, wow thats a great idea!
21:09.51mgearyit's a ton of fun
21:10.01beandog~mgeary++
21:26.30ninnypantsjust checked and I work on a site that is ranked 25,776 in the world
21:26.56ninnypants13,680 in the US
21:27.21influxRad! What kind of site?
21:29.02ninnypantscomics
21:29.10orsonjwhere do you get site rankings?
21:29.14ninnypantshttp://snafu-comics.com
21:29.17ninnypantsalexa
21:30.44ninnypantsorsonj: is there a better place?
21:31.04influxWord.
21:32.00orsonjI didn't know of any before you mentioned alexa
21:32.57ninnypantsyeah guess it's technically trafic rank but I would consider that to be site rank too
21:36.04mindjujuvlc 1.1.0 FTW!
21:43.25beandoghttp://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ci4px/male_redditors_what_are_some_hints_females_gave/
21:43.28beandogoh man
21:43.30beandogfunny
21:43.38beandog"One time, a girl kissed me on a school bus without warning and told me that I could get off at her stop and we could walk to her house because her parents weren't home. I said no because I was going to miss dragonball z"
21:46.45SunSparcbeandog: lol!
21:46.55SunSparcSounds like Dumb and Dumber
21:48.19beandog"Sitting next to her at a school play:
21:48.19beandogHer: "My hands are cold."
21:48.19beandogMe: "Mine too"
21:48.19beandogContinue to do nothing"
21:48.20supernoviaSounds like..
21:49.18supernoviaI think I've used that line :-p  (the "Mine Too" part :-p)
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21:55.04beandogthat thread went downhill pretty fast
21:55.06beandog~awkward
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21:56.56beandoghttp://spaceparanoids.org/img/lolcats/slide_029.html
21:57.00beandoglolcats make it all better
21:57.17mindjujui want some tater tots
21:57.25mindjujuor better yet, crispy onion rings
21:58.03mindjuju~apb herlo
21:58.04ibotACTION summons baby Lyssa to spray mace at herlo
21:58.13beandogmindjuju, lol
21:58.29orsonjmmmm onion rings
21:58.48orsonjnot that ring shaped onion flavored product though.
21:59.07mindjujuno, it's got to have a slice of onion in it
21:59.40orsonjThe chef at my favorite place for onion rings quit and got a different (non cooking) job. :(
21:59.57orsonjI think he still does catering though.
22:00.31unumI actually like both
22:00.41unumwasabi funyons are really yummy
22:01.30mindjujufunyons are amazing, i love 'em
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22:07.14herlomindjuju: hi
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22:22.25influxninnypants: yo
22:22.31influxherlo: :(
22:22.54influxDid you get to spend time with her before she passed away?
22:23.49herloinflux: yes, I saw her on Mother's Day.  She was as happy as a clam.
22:25.25influxThat's quite alright.
22:26.33herloinflux: thx
22:27.25herloinflux: I'm doing much better now.  She had a massive stroke on June 8, got worse and on the 10th they took her off of life support.
22:27.32herloShe passed on Friday the 18th
22:27.39herloso I had quite a bit of time to grieve
22:27.58herlobut I appreciate the sentiment
22:28.42influxLosing family no me gusta.
22:29.11herloindeed
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22:36.11TuxToasterit's really sad when one takes the time to do this: http://pastie.org/1016548
22:36.21TuxToasterespecially when that someone is me.
22:38.12beandoglol
22:38.50TuxToasterLOL
22:39.23beandogactually my first instinct was to clean up the code
22:39.24TuxToasterso are you suggesting that my badger is abusive? :P
22:39.29beandogwhile(true)
22:39.34beandogif($this->count)
22:39.46TuxToasterah yeah probably.
22:39.49beandogah well.
22:40.27TuxToasterwhile(true) is easy... actually probably wouldn't have thought to drop the > 0 though.
22:41.51TuxToasterplus I really had better things to do than that at the time, but someone was talking about badgers, and it was distracting.
22:41.53TuxToasterheh
22:43.08influxTuxToaster: haha
22:44.20TuxToasterI could have gone really crazy and included the snakes as well... or even made separate objects for each... but then I'd just be wasting time. ;-)
22:45.17mindjujudoes snickering in any way invovle snickers bars/
22:45.30herlomindjuju: PONG!!
22:45.37mindjujuping
22:45.42TuxToasterthat reminds me, I've got snickers bars in the freezer that I need to toss.
22:46.07herlo16:07 <+herlo> mindjuju: hi
22:46.08TuxToasternote to self: the "freezer" in a mini-fridge does not get cold enough to keep snickers ice cream bars solid
22:46.28SunSparcI like them softer anyway.
22:46.33SunSparcI'll take them off your hands.
22:46.37TuxToasteroh, these were soft.
22:46.41SunSparc:)
22:46.43mindjujuoh hello, what's the name of that place in sandy, i'll finish the promo now
22:46.47TuxToastera little too soft.
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22:48.03herlomindjuju: for lunch?
22:48.10mindjujuyup on friday
22:48.10SunSparcTuxToaster: Drippy soft?
22:48.18herlomindjuju: The Philadephian
22:48.29herlos/eph/elph/
22:48.54TuxToasterSunSparc: yeah, pretty much.  They were just solid enough for the shell of the bar to be intact, but fell apart as soon as I went to eat one.
22:49.12SunSparcSounds more like a microwave.
22:49.16SunSparcFreezer fail
22:49.17herlomindjuju: I'm working from home on Friday, so I can make it (I think)
22:49.19TuxToasteryup.
22:49.20mindjujui love this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
22:49.24mindjujuAnti piracy ad
22:49.29TuxToasterthey were cold, but not cold enough
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23:05.35beandogOy
23:05.39beandogday's almost done.
23:05.46unumI'm leaving
23:07.32beandogmust .. finish .. task
23:07.37beandogit's the american way!
23:15.23mgeary~slacker beandog
23:15.32beandoghey im working hard
23:15.36beandogIve been here since early
23:15.50mgearyromanovic: ping
23:16.19mgearyaha
23:16.22mgearywhatever, dude
23:19.05romanovicmgeary: pong
23:20.53ninnypantsanyone here used peerblock?
23:21.06ninnypantshttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/PeerBlock
23:21.26mindjujuis it broken?
23:21.47ninnypantsis what broken?
23:21.56mindjujupeerblock
23:22.14ninnypantsnah I've never used it. was gonna ask if it was worth while
23:22.31mindjuju~apb fungus
23:22.32ibotACTION calls Tim to find fungus
23:22.59fungusyikes, that's scary
23:23.27fungusmy IRC plugin announces mentions, and two at once is really creepy
23:23.54fungus`say "Attention, %u mentioned you"
23:24.14beandogThat could be embarrassingly interesting with the right nick
23:24.34fungushehe, yeah, it can be.
23:24.53beandogNot that I would ever abuse the sacred circle of trust
23:25.33beandogThat reminds me of a bash.org quote where some guy announced to the channel that he setup a script to automatically open any URL posted
23:25.36beandoghilarity ensued
23:26.35mindjujuninnypants, seems to work for what it is meant for
23:27.57beandoghttp://bash.org/?14449
23:29.03beandogcan't find the one Im looking for
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23:39.27macnewboldfungus: fungus: i mentioned fungus
23:39.38fungusheh, yes you did.
23:39.49macnewboldso what's creepy about multiples?
23:40.22fungusnot multiples per line, multiple lines.
23:40.27macnewboldah, like fungus
23:40.28macnewboldfungus:
23:40.36fungusyes, that.
23:40.46macnewboldcreepy how? just the audio overlap ro something?
23:40.51fungusIt's creepy because it says the same thing twice
23:40.57macnewboldinteresting
23:41.00fungusbut they are offset by a fraction of a second
23:41.07macnewboldwe did something like that with the kiosk we had here for a while
23:41.46macnewboldthe phrase at the time was "lightning bolt" , and li-li-li-t-t-t-ning-nign-ning b-b-b-bol-olt-olt-olt was more or less the result
23:41.56fungussome nicks don't get pronounced right, hilarity ensues.
23:42.09fungushehe
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