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02:59.17eggyknapunum: bucardo_ctl remove <table> ought to do it.
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03:03.28ninnypantshola supernovia
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15:30.05DexterTheDragon~ping beandog
15:30.06ibotpong beandog
15:30.28beandogDexterTheDragon, pong
15:30.39DexterTheDragonbeandog: this was yesterday http://www.goskateboardingday.org/
15:30.47beandogaaaaaaagh
15:30.53beandogI miss it *every* freaking year
15:31.10DexterTheDragonbut this is what I have for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDH6Q22d1zo&feature=player_embedded
15:31.36ninnypantsyeah I missed it too
15:31.47ninnypantsdidn't find out until 10 or so at night
15:33.08beandogbah, flash not working, and its not converted to html5
15:33.09beandogmeh
15:33.24beandogI thought they were going to start converting new uploads
15:33.25ninnypantsit's a sweet video
15:34.14beandogoh well
15:34.17beandogyoutube-dl to the rescue
15:37.25beandogDexterTheDragon, not bad
15:38.18beandog$ mplayer $(youtube-dl $url)
15:38.19beandoger
15:38.22beandog$ mplayer $(youtube-dl -g $url)
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15:42.10fungusthanks beandog, that's really handy
15:42.59beandogfungus, throw in a -b for best quality
15:43.10fungusyeah, already got that.
15:43.18fungusthat's a handy tool
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15:44.08beandogyah
15:44.14beandogthats how I get all my HD trailers
15:44.22beandogwell, that an itunes
15:44.58fungusI don't feel the need to download em, just want to move it to a small window that I can put in the corner of my screen while I work.
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16:25.57mindjujuDtD - http://i.imgur.com/Covah.jpg
16:25.59mindjujuvery funny
16:26.01beandogwow
16:26.08beandogthis excel spreadsheet pear class is buggy.
16:26.09mindjujusup beandog
16:27.18beandogmindjuju, lol, win
16:27.28DexterTheDragonmindjuju: you should read the 12 page cease and desist
16:27.34DexterTheDragonits just full of lol
16:27.46mindjujui'll have to look for it
16:28.34beandoghttp://www.thinkgeek.com/blog/2010/06/officially-our-bestever-cease.html
16:29.29beandogman, they sure managed to scare up some free publicity b/c of dumb lawyers. :)
16:30.01beandogHmm, I cant find the entire order ... DexterTheDragon ?
16:30.25DexterTheDragonyeah that just has the first page. hmmm
16:30.34DexterTheDragonfirst page is plenty funny tho
16:31.06beandogman you'd think the second they saw Unicorn, they'd know it was a farce
16:31.15beandogProving, once again, lawyers are completely devoid of imagination.
16:31.31beandogThat, or some law company knows how to scare up some money :)
16:32.44beandoghttp://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/iCade.shtml
16:32.45beandoglol
16:32.48beandogSuper Steve Bros.?
16:32.58beandog*THAT* is awesome
16:33.08beandoglol, they are fighting a sweaty Ballmer
16:33.09beandogOh man
16:33.15beandogI never noticed that
16:35.32beandoghttp://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/secrets-bear.shtml
16:35.35beandogStill the best :)
16:35.47beandog"Sometimes I get angry. What makes you angry?"
16:36.04beandogRetractable USB cord allows child to "charge" the bear (and secretly transfer files to parent's computer)
16:36.26mindjujuthat's awesome
16:36.39mindjujui love the think geek product demo videos on youtube
16:38.01mindjujuhas kind of a paranormal activity feel to it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--zt7Rlu4NI
16:40.55beandogthat is psycho.
16:41.22beandog~avoid mindjuju
16:41.32mindjujuthis is funny - http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/06/21/woops-googles-street-view-cars-collected-email-passwords-and-more-sensitive-data/
16:41.45mindjujublame google for unprotected wifi
16:42.04mindjujuthis author needs to be zapped with a TASER(tm)
16:42.34beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGyKp3G6r2A&feature=related
16:42.35beandogLOL
16:42.37beandogOh my *horrible*
16:42.52mindjujui <3 bacon
16:43.16beandogmindjuju, i think the google wifi thing is WAY blown out of proportion ... its public data
16:43.26beandogWhat *really* bothers me is all the govt's of the world tripping over themselves to get a copy
16:43.32mindjujuyup
16:43.44mindjujumy first bacon, that's awesome!
16:43.49mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN62PAKoBfE
16:46.14herlomindjuju: ping
16:46.24mindjujupong
16:46.27herlomindjuju: pm
16:46.34beandognew guy just asked me if Im using dreamweaver
16:46.44beandogI clocked him with my unicorn calendar.
16:46.45herlonice!
16:47.29beandogI honestly didn't know how to answer though
16:47.35beandogI was like "Uh ... no, I write it .. myself ?"
16:47.48herlojust explain how much overhead dreamweaver provides
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16:47.54influxYou can write it yourself with dreamweaver.
16:47.56influx:3
16:47.59influx;D
16:48.19beandogwell I havent been asked that question in like 9 years
16:48.23beandogI didnt even know it was still around
16:50.22beandog~dreamweaver
16:50.23ibot[dreamweaver] most likely your best bet for web designing if you dont know html, dont use frontpage
16:50.37beandogfrontpage .. I forgot about that one.  grawr.
16:53.00herlobeandog: on google i/o, adobe introduced a new dreamweaver that was supposed to do more magic
16:53.04mitchmorbyI started out with dreamweaver when I first started making html websites… switching between design view and code view taught me how NOT to write nice code
16:53.43beandogmitchmorby, yah
16:53.46beandogthat's a good position to take
16:58.16mitchmorbymy favorite is how design view does css… you bold something, so it wraps it in a <span class="style1"> and then .style1 has nothing in it besides font-weight:bold
16:59.27mitchmorbyit's disgusting
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17:13.03beandogmitchmorby, heh, thats great
17:13.32beandogin a hall of shame kind of way
17:22.05mindjuju~apb carmony , supernovia
17:22.06ibotACTION summons Duane Lee to rough up carmony , supernovia
17:22.38supernovia1hey mindjuju :)
17:25.09mindjujuhey, is there a place in the UC where you guys want to gather for a geek lunch
17:25.14mindjujua sammich place?
17:25.29mindjujusunsparc knows of one in AF that is suppose to be pretty good
17:27.56supernovia1I totally love Flour Girls and Dough Boys
17:28.01supernovia1<3 <3 <3
17:28.31supernovia1or if you're thinking farther south, Sensuous Sandwich is lovely
17:29.03supernovia1Oh I know the place SunSparc is thinking of. his wife took my sister in law there last time she was here, and said sister in law had to return there almost every day of the vacation…
17:29.22supernovia1I can't think of the name though :-S
17:30.21mindjujuthose sound like great places for a geeky lunch
17:30.28mindjujuwhich do you think is best?
17:30.51supernovia1Um, FGDB is ridiculously cute
17:31.29supernovia1so .. probably the other place . hehe
17:31.50mindjujusensuous sandwich?
17:32.12supernovia1that other place ;-S  hang on I'll see if I can find it -
17:32.53supernovia1no idea, darn. It's by Lowes in AF/Lehi though
17:33.10supernovia1or Sensuous Sandwich is on University Parkway & State
17:33.36supernovia1are you in UC today mindjuju?
17:33.44mindjujunope
17:33.45mindjujudraper
17:34.49mindjujuDtD, you're still in the north side of things aren't you?
17:35.31supernovia1on the right day.
17:35.57mindjujugeek lunch is friday
17:36.01brasto~ping herlo
17:36.02ibotpong herlo
17:36.06influxmindjuju: Time-travelling.
17:36.07mindjujuwe're thinking of a sammich shop in Sandy
17:36.21DexterTheDragonwe think carmony was abducted by aliens
17:36.57mindjujuDtD, there have been a couple times where you went to a geek lunch up there in layton ( at least i seem to recall that)
17:37.05mindjujuwill that be the case this month?
17:37.37DexterTheDragoncould do I think
17:37.58mindjujuwell, i'm not saying you have to, wondering what you want to do
17:38.19mindjujuif it's easier up there, was going to coordinate with you the rsturant, else sandy might work for you
17:42.28brastoherlo, mindjuju, or anyone.  We are looking for a quick way to have a family meeting over the web, and I'm wondering if UTOS or anyone has suggestions.
17:43.04brastoThey said this to me: "It would be ideal if we had a solution for anyone who wanted to call in and hear what was going on as well as the option for others to login via the web to participate."
17:43.36brastoWe already have the family website which we can add tools to. We can also put a link on the website to your website if you had something there or to a third party site.
17:47.25mindjujuif you still have the brasto web hosting infrastructure in place, you may want to see about VOIP, if this is a reoccuring thing
17:47.32brastoI'm thinking a simple way that requires little to no work for me might be to find an already existing web chat site, like Mibbit, and create a channel for the family meeting on freenode, and maybe give a link to that.  However, I don't know if there's a way to make the site automatically pick the channel and server via url or if I'll have to provide instructions (which most people will look at and then give up on probably).
17:47.34mindjujuelse, i would rent a conf bridge
17:48.21mindjujucgi:irc will allow you to connect to an IRC chan and you CAN set it to a specific #chan
17:48.23mindjujuBUT
17:48.28brastoit'll be an annual thing.  But participation at least at first is expected to be pretty tiny.
17:48.30mindjujuIRC is by no means personal
17:48.40mindjujui would think family business too personal for IRC
17:49.08brastooh, this is to discuss reunion plans, so it shouldn't be anything personal.
17:49.20mindjujusee for an annual thing, I would think VOIP is too much gun to setup and maintain
17:49.29mindjujuutah_dave or jsmith can correct me if i'm wrong
17:50.05brastoyea, that's what I think too mindjuju
17:51.19mindjujuso depending on how you want to disperse cost, you can rent a bridge and pay the cost in one lump sum or you can go to a "free" conf bridge and the cost gets distributed over all the participants as a per minute toll charge of between .03 - .05 cents a minute
17:51.40mindjujuthat's if you want to do a phone / audio solution
17:51.50mindjujuelse, for just chat, i think cgi:irc is the way to go
17:52.03mindjujuyou install it on the server, it's a web page to your clients (family)
17:52.16mindjujuso it'd be like www.brasto.com/cgiirc (for example)
17:52.30mindjujueverybody just navs to that URL and pow, web interface that connects to freenode
17:52.36mindjujueasy-peasy
17:53.58brastoso maybe yum search cgi | grep irc will find the package.  I'll look into that and see if their family site is even using a Linux server.
17:54.04brastoI hope they are
17:56.55beandogbrasto, you don't work, you fix
18:00.43herlobrasto: voip is good
18:00.51herloskype is easy and generally free
18:01.18herlomindjuju: it takes like 10 minutes to setup a voip server
18:01.27herloand there are groups out there that provide it as a service too
18:02.32herlomindjuju: haha, just read about the service thing :)
18:04.55mindjujuherlo, it's a 1 use (annually) event, seems like too much gun to me by the time you setup the server, then put a sip client on grandma's computer, etc
18:06.23mindjujupersonally though, the rent a bridge is prolly a bridge too far too
18:06.38mindjujui say everybody call / pay toll on free bridge
18:10.01Utah_Davebrasto: These guys have a free version that will probably do what you want. and you won't have to build anything
18:10.02Utah_Davehttp://www.calliflower.com/
18:10.42mindjujuutah_dave you're awesome
18:10.45mindjuju:)
18:10.48herlomindjuju: yeah, or maybe someone has a dial in number that's local :)
18:11.09mindjujuhey utah_dave, quick question
18:11.13herloUtah_Dave: nice
18:11.17Utah_Davesup?
18:11.24mindjujuif I have mics and speakers setup on all computers in the house
18:11.39mindjujucan i setup a voip-y type intercom system of some kind?
18:11.48Utah_Davesure can!
18:11.57mindjujuskype is too much effort of call / connect / yawn
18:12.10mindjujuwhat do i look up to find out more?
18:12.41herlogoogle voiec
18:13.10herlomindjuju: for that, I'd use asterisk, it's really easy to have that always on
18:13.44Utah_Davemindjuju: Yeah, we do that at work.
18:13.57Utah_Dave1. Set up an Asterisk server
18:14.04mindjujuwhat feature in asterisk do i need to look up?
18:14.40Utah_Dave2. Install voip client on all the machines with auto answer on
18:14.47Utah_Dave(X-lite) will auto answer
18:15.07mindjujuoh that's too cool
18:15.36Utah_Davethen you can set up a dial plan to call whatever extensions you want.
18:15.37mindjujuso if i setup a VPN tunnel to the villa residence, I could sip to the server and intercom from here to there
18:16.25Utah_Daveyep!
18:29.36mindjujuanybody here have a wordpress blog hosted at wordpress?
18:35.01herloI have one
18:35.26mindjujuoh awesome! but i already found my answer, it's no
18:35.36herlooh, okay
18:36.48mindjujuwell, the no part is the answer to life->subsection(1024)->subsection(512)subsection(256)->of the part Q
18:37.12herloindeed
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19:19.20mindjujuanybody here use Sieve?
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19:32.25fungusSieve as in email filtering service?
19:32.50mindjujuyup
19:32.57mindjujui'm reading its a plug-in now for dovecot
19:33.19fungusnope, procmail is my general purpose server side filter
19:34.09mindjujufungus, what about antivirus / spam?  I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixAmavisNew
19:34.20mindjujuwhich promotes clamav + spamassassin and amavis
19:34.51fungusI use AV on my firewall, and spamassassin
19:34.55herlomindjuju: Guru Labs uses it that way
19:35.01herlosieve, that is
19:35.18herloit's pretty nice actually.  Full web interface and such
19:35.22fungusI used to use Amavis + clamav at arosnet, but that was a big fat pain in the ass.
19:35.38fungusmaybe it's better now, that was years ago
19:35.44herlofungus: yeah, pita
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19:39.36mindjujuherlo, sieve with web interface would be awesome
19:40.14herloI don't quite know how they set it up, but I believe it has a web interface
19:41.15herlomindjuju: oh, I think they set it up with a webmail suite, don't recall which one actually
19:43.59Utah_Davecrud. A coworker and I rooted our G1's last week and installed the cyanogen mod. It's really great.
19:44.09fungusYeah, Horde has modules to manage Procmail or Sieve rules
19:44.15Utah_DaveAnother coworker asked me to root his G1 this morning and I managed to brick it somehow.
19:44.17Utah_DaveNice
19:44.44PoeticIntensityouch
19:45.01PoeticIntensityIt wasn't shane's, was it, Utah_Dave ?  hehe..
19:45.23Utah_Daveha ha. No Shane has a Palm Pre.
19:48.56super_atlunchhmm
19:49.02super_atlunchI thought I was super_atlunch or something. oh well
19:51.25herlosuper_atlunch: you are :)
19:51.50super_atlunchOh, weird. it didn't want to let me switch
19:52.00super_atlunchBah. Oh well.
19:53.36supernoviahdid you guys see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
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19:58.11beandogDexterTheDragon, any good soundtracks?
20:02.58brastothank you herlo, mindjuju, and Utah_Dave, I'll look into Cauliflower, VOIP, and Google Voice.  In the mean time, I'll find out what kind of server they have.
20:04.22beandogGoogle Voice just went public today
20:04.24beandog\o/
20:04.39beandogWhich means I should have sold my invite yesterday.  Dangit.
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20:10.25supernoviahAwe, my song is on.
20:10.30supernoviahSweeeet beandog!
20:15.32utahconsupernoviah: what is your song?
20:16.01supernoviahOh it's that "Your New Twin Sized Bed" song :)  It makes me laugh
20:16.14supernoviahShouldn't, but I think it's funny.
20:17.35supernoviahit's by Death Cab for Cutie. But my coworkers tease me about it being my special song
20:17.56supernoviahsince I've got this enormous bedroom with a dinky little twin sized bed in one corner
20:19.29supernoviahkinda dumb :) but it makes me laugh nonetheless.  http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Your+New+Twin+Sized+Bed/2kouqY
20:23.47mindjujudoes PoeticIntensity know how to dance and hit the drums like that?
20:24.54PoeticIntensitylet's have a listen.
20:24.58mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
20:25.01mindjujupi ^^
20:25.10mindjujudrummer REALLY gets into it
20:25.16PoeticIntensityoh... heh...
20:25.24PoeticIntensityyeah.. I've seen that at least a dozen times...
20:25.26PoeticIntensitymakes me laugh each time..
20:25.37PoeticIntensitythat dude has to be certifiably insane.
20:25.45mindjujucan you really hit the drums and have it sound that well whilst doing the windmill?
20:25.57PoeticIntensityheheh...... there's no doubt he's doing it.
20:26.18PoeticIntensityI've analysed it to death.
20:26.42mindjujupi, when you going to play drums for us?
20:26.55PoeticIntensityyou've already seen me, dude.... :)
20:27.05mindjujuvideo is no match for live
20:27.43PoeticIntensityheh...
20:27.44PoeticIntensitywell...
20:27.51PoeticIntensitymy band will be playing in Manti this Friday evening.
20:27.55PoeticIntensitycome one, come all...
20:28.00PoeticIntensityI have no idea what the address is...
20:28.05PoeticIntensityI'm hoping I'll get it sometime soon.. :)
20:28.07mindjujuman, look at this guy go nuts on the drums
20:28.08mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8__EwAT8VM
20:29.36PoeticIntensityhmm.....
20:29.44PoeticIntensityat 1:23, I ain't seen anything impressive...
20:29.50PoeticIntensitymaybe it'll come later.
20:29.57mindjujunot to you cause you're a drummer already
20:30.09mindjujui can't go that fast with a pencil and my desk
20:30.12mindjujuthat's all i know
20:30.31mindjujuand using my monitors as cymbols, i can't keep up
20:30.48PoeticIntensitymindjuju needs a webcam...
20:30.49PoeticIntensity:)
20:31.04mindjujui have one, remember we're both on skype :)
20:31.11PoeticIntensityahh, yes...
20:34.39supernoviahOh, PoeticIntensity, you're playing in Manti Friday? for the pageant or?
20:35.02mindjuju100% no riick roll guarantee
20:35.23supernoviahare you doing that beforehand at the little farmers market type thing they have?
20:35.50PoeticIntensityyeah... we're doing something for a stake diddy...
20:35.57PoeticIntensityI really don't know much more than that.
20:35.59herlomindjuju: lol
20:36.00PoeticIntensityit should be fun.
20:36.24mindjujuwe should have pi and his band play geeks in the sun
20:38.54supernoviah:-D
20:44.12mindjujuisn't manti like far away?
20:44.32supernoviahNot terribly far. Definitely a little trip though.
20:44.39ninnypantsit's not much further than Nephi
20:45.00utahconmindjuju: about 2 hrs south
20:45.06mindjujuah
20:45.07utahconwell.. 1-1.5 for you
20:45.57mindjujuhey, just cause i made the dallas to houston run in 2:45 doesn't mean i drive fast ALL the time
20:46.13utahconmindjuju: I meant because of location, not metalic foot
20:46.15utahcon;)
20:46.24mindjujuoh oh
20:46.30mindjujuthat is true though
20:46.38mindjujudallas to houston in 2:45
20:47.25ninnypantsutahcon: depends where you're at it's only 45 min from happy valley
20:47.38utahconninnypants: right
20:47.46utahconmindjuju: is currently in Draper, I think
20:47.47mindjujuis that over by like payson and that stuff?
20:47.52utahconall depends on traffic too
20:47.53mindjujuyup, in draper
20:48.16ninnypantsah i was thinkini you were in happy valley for some reason
20:48.27utahconninnypants: I think he live in HV
20:48.31mindjujui live in orem but work in draper
20:48.43mindjujuthe closest i could get to happy valley is orem
20:48.51mindjujuprovo is too painful
20:49.02supernoviahhighland is worse.
20:49.14supernoviahas far as happy valleyness goes
20:49.17mindjujunow that i think about it, i don't think i've ever been to highland
20:49.28mindjujuthat's like up by cabella but further, right?
20:49.49PoeticIntensitymanti is a little further south than Nephi, and a whole lot further east.
20:49.55mindjujuoldskool rock - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNGNLo8K6Fk
20:50.15mindjujui still remember hearing they were somehow affiliated with the devil
20:50.20mindjujuand they were evil and stuff
20:50.21PoeticIntensityI'm Springville and (obeying traffic laws) usually make the trip in about 1 hr 20 minutes.
20:51.49ninnypantsyeah lots of crazy people in the provo/orem area
20:52.04mindjujuorem isn't too bad
20:52.10mindjujuit has stores that are open 24/7
20:55.34ninnypantsoh I'm not worried about stores. It's more that the people are nuts
20:56.54beandogI love shopping at wal-mart at 3 a.m. in my pajamas
20:57.19mindjuju^5 beandog
20:57.57ninnypantsbeandog: that's the only time the shopping there is decent
20:57.59beandogmindjuju, I was kidding
20:58.11beandogThe only reason I'll go to Wal-Mart is b/c they sell bran muffin mix
20:58.12mindjujutoo bad, it's awesome
20:58.26beandogI do like going to Smith's Marketplace really late though.
20:58.28beandogthats fun
20:58.31beandogWalMart here closes at midnight.
20:59.11fungusoh that's right.  beandog lives by the scary walmart
20:59.44DexterTheDragonfungus: right like there's only 1
20:59.45beandogfungus, it is a little scary.
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21:00.02beandogDexterTheDragon, the next closest one is South Jordan
21:00.10redroyPoeticIntensity, you live in Manti?
21:00.12fungusbeandog, not true
21:00.17PoeticIntensityredroy, nope
21:00.20beandogfungus, no?  well dont tell me.
21:00.22PoeticIntensityI live in Springville
21:00.31beandogfungus, don't shatter my illusions that walmart isn't everywhere.
21:00.31fungusthere's one on 900 E and 5600 S
21:00.45redroyah, I just noticed you were talking about it… I lived there a while back.
21:00.50fungusAlso there's Redwood and 5600 S
21:01.01beandogOh yah
21:01.05beandogI'm like 10 blocks from there, too
21:01.06beandogduh.
21:01.13fungusDexterTheDragon, that one by beandog is extra scary, lots of drug addicted homeless people
21:01.31beandogfungus, it does have the cool parking lot though
21:01.38supernoviahs/sigh8/sigh
21:01.45fungusyeah, it's cool.
21:01.58beandogI like to pretend I'm blasting off into space when I go up that ramp
21:02.02fungushehe
21:02.06mindjuju:)
21:02.23fungusthe more suburban walmarts are usually really empty at 3am
21:03.23beandogI wanna get an RV and just live in WalMart parking lots.
21:03.57beandoghttp://www.ehow.com/how_2182421_spend-hours-walmart.html
21:04.26supernoviahdid you see that movie about the girl who has a baby in Walmart and gives it some crazy name?
21:04.42supernoviahit was a long time ago :-S
21:06.08beandogsupernoviah, I dont really go looking for movies like that ..
21:06.16redroyMy wife loves that show
21:06.26redroythe baby's name is Americas
21:06.34supernoviahOh yeah.  And the mom's name is Novius
21:06.35redroy<ashamed>
21:06.43mindjujuyeah, that was with natlaie portman
21:06.48mindjujubased on a true story if i recall
21:06.55mindjujuplaces in the heart or something like that
21:07.34mindjuju@beandog - http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
21:08.00beandogmindjuju, theres not enough eye bleach in the world to make the mistake of me visiting that site again.
21:08.22redroyNow Galaxy Quest is a great movie
21:08.31beandogplus, I think it's a little mean
21:08.35mindjujuby grabthar's hammer
21:09.00beandogwhat a savings
21:09.03beandog:)
21:09.06mindjuju~wiki vuvuzela
21:09.11mindjujui see that everywhere but ??
21:09.20beandogmindjuju, they are not seen, but heard
21:09.25supernoviahTuxToaster: pretty sure that'll involve a couple of us camping out actually :-p
21:10.06supernoviahoh and
21:10.14supernoviah~beandog++
21:10.21supernoviahright on.
21:11.49DexterTheDragon~vuvuzela
21:11.55herloheh
21:12.07DexterTheDragonibot: vuvuzela is BBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
21:12.08ibotDexterTheDragon: okay
21:12.08mindjujuyeah, who knows
21:12.13DexterTheDragon~vuvuzela
21:12.13ibotwell, vuvuzela is BBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
21:12.21mindjujuwhat's t so what si vuvuzela?
21:12.26mindjuju~dict vuvuzela
21:13.23herlomindjuju: it's the annoying buzzing horns you hear on the world cup
21:13.26mindjujuah
21:15.03fungusbeandog, "Where the Heart Is"  http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Where_the_Heart_Is/60000925?trkid=1660
21:15.16mindjujuyup that it
21:15.25mindjujulive in wal mart i think she's preggers too
21:15.27fungusworth watching
21:15.59beandogfungus, wth ...
21:16.09beandogoh, wow, I misread "transient"
21:16.11beandogthat explains a lot.
21:16.56mindjujuman, i could sure go for a corny dog, some tots and a cold lemonade
21:22.32herlocorn dog actually sounds really good
21:23.08mindjujuthey are good
21:26.38herlomindjuju: where do you get yours ??
21:26.56TuxToastersupernoviah: I assume you meant the iPhone 4?
21:27.02supernoviahYeah
21:27.24mindjuju@herlo i was thinking james cooney island
21:27.25beandogarctic circle's are nice and soggy if you like those
21:27.32mindjujubut i dont' think there is one here in utah
21:27.44TuxToastersupernoviah: heh. I'll be picking one up on Thursday morning, I hope
21:28.47herlomindjuju: like the one in New York??
21:28.56mindjujuthere is one in houston
21:29.00mindjujubut yeah
21:29.23TuxToasteron a side note.... comcast *sucks*
21:29.34herlomindjuju: oh, I see most of them are in TX
21:29.37TuxToasterany good suggestions for a backup internet connection?
21:29.38herlohttp://www.jamesconeyisland.com/locations.htm
21:29.39mindjujuhttp://www.jamesconeyisland.com/
21:29.44TuxToasterQwest wants a 3 year contract for a DSL line
21:29.45mindjujuyup
21:29.56mindjujui shoulde try weiner place
21:30.26ninnypantsTuxToaster: what city?
21:30.30fungusTuxToaster, other than Comcast and Qwest you don't really have any other good choices.  Unless you pay big bucks.
21:30.51TuxToasterninnypants: Riverton
21:31.05TuxToasterfungus: yeah that's about what I figured.
21:31.28ninnypantsahh if it was around the provo area I would suggest broadweave
21:31.34fungusI didn't know Qwest requires a contract now.
21:31.36fungusreally?
21:31.47TuxToasterhmm, looks like Utopia *might* be able to hit us here
21:31.57TuxToasterfungus: at least for a business line, yes.
21:32.06TuxToaster$52-$60/mo for 1.5m
21:32.17TuxToasterwith a minimum of 3 years.
21:32.28TuxToasteror $800/mo for their IQ Networking product
21:32.35TuxToasterwhich I'm guessing is QMOE or similar
21:32.45fungusyeah, that's what I meant by "other options"
21:32.49ninnypantsbusinesses get hosed
21:32.57fungusQMOE is a form of IQ Networking
21:32.57TuxToasteryeah no joke
21:33.07TuxToasterwe pay around $200/mo for Comcast here... 16meg
21:33.14TuxToasterI just got that at my house for $30/mo
21:33.40ninnypantsyeah and with comcast their 16m is more like 3m
21:33.57ninnypantsfrom my experience anyway
21:34.11DexterTheDragonutahcon: who does the fiber up there?
21:34.31herloDexterTheDragon: utopia
21:34.54herloit's South Jordan, a UTOPIA city :)
21:35.15DexterTheDragoncool
21:35.23TuxToasterninnypants: depends... here in Riverton the speed has been great
21:35.55TuxToasterthe line at my house in WVC I can pull down up to 20meg at times, but on average it's quite a bit less
21:36.04herloDexterTheDragon: so I am wrong, must be Qwest
21:36.12herloUTOPIA's member cities are: Brigham City, Cedar City, Cedar Hills, Centerville, Layton, Lindon, Midvale, Murray, Orem, Payson, Perry, Riverton, Tremonton, Vineyard, Washington, and West Valley City.
21:36.15TuxToasterin Daybreak?
21:36.19herloTuxToaster: yesh
21:36.22TuxToasteryeah that's Qwest
21:36.33TuxToasterthey've got a few fiber installs they've rolled out
21:36.38fungusTux, you might want to double check that contract thing.  We just ordered a new qwest DSL line about 3 months ago, no contract
21:36.47herlojust because he can get a house and UTOPIA faster
21:36.59TuxToasterfungus: we might have to call them.
21:37.19TuxToasterjust need a backup line... Comcast has gone down 3 times in the last week or so.
21:37.26TuxToastertwice for most of the day.
21:37.27mindjujuso, i want to add a user that already exists to a group, i'm saying useradd -G group name
21:37.31mindjujubut that doesn't seem to wrok
21:37.46fungusmindjuju, cause that's wrong.
21:37.51fungususeradd - add a new user
21:37.56mindjujuah, that's why it no worky
21:37.58fungususermod - modify an existing user
21:38.16mindjujuman usermod
21:38.23mindjujucrap, not putty window
21:38.26fungushehe
21:38.37TuxToasterlol
21:38.55TuxToasteryou can also edit /etc/group
21:39.06fungusyeah, that works too
21:39.29fungusI really need to teach my shell some new vocabulary.  
21:39.39TuxToasterI've never used usermod really.  I like useradd to get things set up, but beyond that it's all files.
21:39.43mindjujuso fungus, i guess that's usermod -a group name ?
21:39.48fungusI'm getting sick of "command not found" when I swear at it.
21:40.00fungusmindjuju, usermod -G newgroup username
21:40.17fungusmindjuju, usermod -G newgroup -a username
21:40.42fungusbleh, or something like that...
21:40.50fungusI usually cop out and edit /etc/group
21:49.03unumsame here
22:16.12*** join/#uphpu sephatine (~Adium@76.8.222.23)
22:25.16sephatineanyone have issues with FORCE_SSL_ADMIN in wordpress just giving a 'too many redirects' error?
22:27.54supernoviahhey sephatine can you link to the codex page that talks about it?
22:28.41sephatinehttp://codex.wordpress.org/Administration_Over_SSL
22:29.30macnewbold1sephatine: you might take a look at your base urls
22:29.46macnewboldalso you might check your hosting to make sure ssl behaves normally
22:29.58macnewboldsome places offload ssl to another machine, so it's http by the time it gets to you
22:31.18sephatinethat an issue with stackable you've hit?  I'm looking through my urls right now
22:40.02fungussephatine, hit the url that generates the redirect loop with `curl -v URL`
22:40.13fungusthat will show you each URL it's redirecting to.
22:41.32macnewboldsephatine: if it's stackable, it is definietly the ssl thing I mentioned
22:41.41macnewboldwant a script to fix it? ihave one
22:42.01macnewboldin fact, i think i already posted it in their forums and such
22:42.08sephatineyes please :)
22:42.48sephatineI get a 301 message fungus - 'moved permanently'
22:43.07fungusright, that's a normal redirect.
22:43.14funguswhat URL is it redirecting to
22:44.11sephatineitself :)
22:45.46sephatine<PROTECTED>
22:45.46sephatine* About to connect() to res.uf5d.stackablehost.com port 80 (#0)
22:45.46sephatine*   Trying 204.228.154.120... connected
22:45.46sephatine* Connected to res.uf5d.stackablehost.com (204.228.154.120) port 80 (#0)
22:45.46sephatine> GET /wp-admin HTTP/1.1
22:45.46sephatine> User-Agent: curl/7.19.7 (universal-apple-darwin10.0) libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.3
22:45.46sephatine> Host: res.uf5d.stackablehost.com
22:45.47sephatine> Accept: */*
22:45.48sephatine>
22:45.48sephatine< HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
22:45.48sephatine< Server: nginx/0.7.9
22:45.49sephatine< Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:40:46 GMT
22:45.50sephatine< Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
22:45.50sephatine< Connection: keep-alive
22:45.59mindjujuwth was that?
22:46.06macnewboldawesome
22:46.13sephatinewow
22:46.20sephatineit didn't like that
22:46.29fungusIs there more?  there's no Location header
22:46.44sephatinehow much came across.  the whole thing show for me
22:46.55macnewboldhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=stackable+ssl
22:46.59fungusConnection: keep-alive is last part
22:47.05macnewboldhttp://forums.stackable.com/index.php?/topic/10-stackable-php-ssl/
22:47.17macnewboldsephatine: follow those and you'll be set
22:47.28macnewboldgoogle is your bestest pal in the world
22:47.32sephatinethanks mac.
22:47.43sephatineI looked!  what was the magic phrase to pop this up?
22:48.28macnewboldstackable ssl
22:48.35sephatinei suppose i wasn't thinking it was a stackable issue
22:48.36fungusmacnewbold, interesting.  that's a good idea to work around that problem.
22:48.53macnewboldfungus: my goal was just to get php back to a normal state regarding whether or not it was ssl
22:49.03macnewboldi.e. translate stackable's special "i'm ssl" flag to a normal one
22:49.16fungusright,  good job
22:50.05macnewboldi drop that in and everything happy again
22:50.18macnewboldwhen i have another htaccess i have to add it, rather than replace,
22:50.27macnewboldbut it's now part of my standard install when i start a new stackable
22:53.55mindjujui love bagels
22:54.15orsonjThere are a surprising number of stores that sell lousy cheese bagles.
22:54.46orsonjone of the Smiths in Logan has excelent cheese bagles
22:54.59macnewboldmmmm bagels
22:55.39sephatineUnknown: Failed opening required 'stackable-ssl.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0
22:55.55sephatinei'm sure I'm just doing one tiny thing stupidly
22:56.22macnewboldcheck the file path in the .htaccess
22:56.31macnewboldmake sure it matches where you put your stackable-ssl.php
22:56.45macnewboldmindjuju: of course there aren't energy drinks here... it's an IRC channel
22:56.47sephatinethey're in the root together
22:56.55macnewboldthe doc_root, right?
22:57.01mindjuju:)
22:57.11macnewboldsephatine: the .htaccess usually needs an absolute path to the .php file
22:57.53sephatinewhich in stackable is the version in the containers doc_root then?
22:58.39macnewboldif you log in and go to the doc root folder, and type "pwd" that should do it
22:58.47macnewboldor your ftp client should tell you the full path if you log in that way
22:59.19macnewboldfor example, one i work on says this:
22:59.20macnewboldphp_value auto_prepend_file "/home/pictureline/sites/www.pictureline.com_Dev/doc_root/stackable-ssl.php"
22:59.34macnewboldit will need your username, site url, and environment name though
23:03.21sephatinefakeadmin@c-web1.foo.stackablehost.com/sites/blendtec.com_Version_2/doc_root/stackable-ssl.php  - slightly altered
23:03.41macnewboldno
23:03.44macnewboldnot quite
23:03.54sephatinethanks for the patience
23:03.55macnewboldthis is in your .htaccess, right?
23:04.21sephatinethat's just the path not the full line from .htaccess
23:04.28macnewboldphp_value auto_prepend_file "/home/fakeadmin/sites/blendtec.com_Version_2/doc_root/stackable-ssl.php"
23:04.35macnewboldno @ or container name in it
23:04.57macnewboldfakeadmin is the username, blendtec.com the site url, and Version_2 the environment
23:05.13macnewboldbtw, tell supernovia I said hi
23:05.20supernoviahHi!
23:06.34sephatineshe just got an energy boost in her smoothie.  So she's good for a few more hours ;)
23:06.42macnewboldsephatine is a coworker, right?
23:06.44macnewboldawesomeness
23:06.49macnewboldi hope you guys love stackable
23:07.32sephatinethis has been our only hangup so far.  and it's a minor bump with you around :)
23:09.16sephatineweird.  it found the file and is trying to do a redirect but tries to push to my localhost.
23:09.43sephatinenope that's my bad
23:15.46supernoviahhey macnewbold, sorry I was just trying to come up with something clever for the 404
23:16.26supernoviahbut yeah we're loving this setup.  can't wait to see how it does live
23:17.19sephatineredirect loop gone. yay!  redirects to http instead of https now though. grrr
23:17.34mindjujuDtD - more music from movies to keep ya going - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Cr7kxjSBs
23:19.50supernoviah~macnewbold++
23:29.44macnewboldsephatine: supernoviah: good luck!
23:29.56supernoviahThanks :)
23:36.22sephatinewe'll need a bit.  :)

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