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| 15:30.42 | mindjuju | somedays i wonder if i'm in the wrong field |
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| 15:37.31 | influx | huttah |
| 15:37.50 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/15/AR2010061505556.html?sid=ST2010061505592 |
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| 15:38.26 | mindjuju | i'm glad you sent that, i'm scanning for evidence of this type of thing |
| 15:38.41 | mindjuju | i got permission to write an ethics paper a little off topic to cover this |
| 15:40.17 | mindjuju | really, this is VERY scary |
| 15:40.55 | DexterTheDragon | yeah. especially that they raided his house |
| 15:42.37 | mindjuju | the increased frequency of this "governemntal overreach" as the article puts it... |
| 15:42.50 | mindjuju | i'm REALLY going to devote some serious time to this next paper |
| 15:43.26 | mindjuju | the prof has asked if i can at least keep it to 8 pages, i'm not sure, but i can guarantee the preface will be less than 8 :)\ |
| 15:43.51 | mindjuju | ask jsmith, i can ge REALLY wordy |
| 15:49.31 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I hear you on the field thing. |
| 15:50.34 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 15:51.29 | mindjuju | sunsparc, if you had things to do over again, what would you be? |
| 15:51.51 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: few good links in that article to other incidents |
| 15:52.14 | influx | You'd think a professor would laud a lengthy paper. |
| 15:52.33 | supernovia | mindjuju: here's a vote for being a lawyer who programs for fun |
| 15:52.44 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:52.44 | supernovia | and sunsparc, shoot for the stars :) |
| 15:53.49 | influx | pele the soccer player or pele the volcano god? |
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| 15:54.00 | influx | industrial design? Going to design machinery, eh? |
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| 15:54.16 | mindjuju | :) soccer player, got to admit, i didn't know there was a volcano god named pele |
| 15:54.38 | influx | I might be wrong on the volcano part, but I remember pele being a god(dess). |
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| 15:56.25 | SunSparc | That is the golden question really. I have so many interests. How about an astrophysicist astronaut who plays pro-level soccer and take people on guided foot tours of exotic places around the world on the weekends. |
| 15:56.50 | mindjuju | SunSparc, that's one heck of a business card |
| 15:57.00 | SunSparc | Heh |
| 15:57.51 | SunSparc | Add master chef, gardener, and electrical engineer to that list. |
| 15:58.27 | mindjuju | chef would be fun, but id on't think i'd like to do that ALL the time |
| 15:59.19 | influx | SunSparc: Are you taking reservations yet? |
| 15:59.36 | SunSparc | influx: lol |
| 15:59.39 | influx | I'd like to check out Macchu Picchu. |
| 16:00.02 | mindjuju | i almost made it to Macchu Picchu |
| 16:00.14 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Agreed. I think I will settle for owning a restaurant and doing some experimental cooking there every so often. |
| 16:00.33 | SunSparc | influx: Macchu Picchu is definitely on my list. |
| 16:01.21 | mindjuju | but that $$, well, in the time i was saving up my nest egg, I met my future wife and reallocated my trip $$ to wedding $$ |
| 16:01.25 | mindjuju | :( |
| 16:01.27 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:01.51 | SunSparc | heh, a worthwhile trade. |
| 16:02.00 | SunSparc | Now you can take her with you. |
| 16:02.32 | mindjuju | true that! |
| 16:02.56 | influx | So why all this talk about doing things over again? |
| 16:03.00 | mindjuju | one of the sadest things about seeing Everest is that I don't have anybody to really talk about the experience with |
| 16:03.37 | influx | You climbed Everest? |
| 16:03.39 | influx | Nice. |
| 16:03.51 | mindjuju | influx, because I'm geting my butt kicked by c++, but can throw together an ethics paper in 3 horus and get an a |
| 16:04.02 | influx | Ah. |
| 16:04.03 | mindjuju | influx, didn't climb everest, but I got to the foot of the mountain |
| 16:04.06 | influx | :D |
| 16:04.12 | mindjuju | starting base camp |
| 16:04.12 | influx | Still cool. |
| 16:04.32 | influx | The farthest I've travelled is to visit family in meh-hee-co |
| 16:05.04 | mindjuju | yup, my family is from there |
| 16:06.51 | influx | Horale. :] |
| 16:07.14 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 16:43.33 | DexterTheDragon | ~seen beandog |
| 16:43.39 | ibot | beandog <~sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 3d 12h 58m 49s ago, saying: 'ninnypants: Regis'. |
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| 17:02.07 | redroy | So what version of php does __autoload start with? |
| 17:02.45 | redroy | I'm trying to run some code on 5.1.6 and it's not working⦠I thought autoload was 5+ ? |
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| 17:39.01 | DexterTheDragon | redroy: yeah __autoload is version 5 |
| 17:43.34 | TuxToaster | is it possible to overload a __construct in PHP? |
| 17:44.18 | TuxToaster | hmm looks like http://php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.overloading.php might be helpful for this... heh. I haven't done much with overloading specifically |
| 17:53.34 | redroy | thanks, DtD |
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| 18:55.55 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 19:03.13 | mindjuju | hi herlo, im driving a project for the next couple hours so i'll be around my desk off and on, what up? if private PM |
| 19:03.31 | herlo | mindjuju: just thinking about geek lunch, it's this Friday |
| 19:04.03 | herlo | had someone from BoomStartup ask me when/where it is this month |
| 19:06.34 | mindjuju | hmm, geeky lunch |
| 19:07.43 | mindjuju | i'm in the mood for something different and cheap, what's this pho that i keep hearing about, its vietnamese no? |
| 19:07.47 | mindjuju | es good? |
| 19:08.00 | herlo | yes and yes |
| 19:08.27 | mindjuju | are you in a ph0 mood? |
| 19:08.29 | herlo | but I was thinking that there are those that fear of pho, it is very sad for them |
| 19:08.44 | herlo | mindjuju: it's summer time, soup seems to me to be for winter time |
| 19:08.49 | mindjuju | ah |
| 19:09.13 | mindjuju | well, in that case let's go some where sloppy |
| 19:09.24 | mindjuju | like some crazy sloppy sammich that is crazy good |
| 19:09.34 | herlo | philadelphian |
| 19:09.37 | herlo | or moochies |
| 19:09.57 | herlo | or |
| 19:09.59 | mindjuju | philadelphian, is that the one that you and I went to that one time |
| 19:10.13 | mindjuju | cause that's the exact kind of sammich i'm thinking of |
| 19:10.16 | herlo | mindjuju: probably. Real grease pit, but yummy |
| 19:10.26 | herlo | 9800 S 700 E |
| 19:10.29 | herlo | Sandy |
| 19:10.35 | mindjuju | yup, that's the one |
| 19:11.10 | mindjuju | there is even a UC place that sunsparc keeps recommending that I want to go to |
| 19:11.15 | mindjuju | i think his in in the AF |
| 19:11.22 | mindjuju | that way supernovia and her friends could go |
| 19:11.23 | herlo | interesting |
| 19:11.46 | herlo | or we could do wings again. Only three people came last time I did that tho |
| 19:12.13 | mindjuju | is there a wings place in the UC? |
| 19:12.50 | herlo | yeah |
| 19:12.53 | herlo | in AF |
| 19:12.59 | herlo | called Rocky Mtn Wing Shack |
| 19:13.43 | herlo | not saying it's the best choice either really |
| 19:15.11 | mindjuju | hey superWorksAtBlendtecWhichIsWayCool |
| 19:15.13 | mindjuju | you around? |
| 19:16.21 | herlo | superatwork: :: |
| 19:16.48 | mgeary | mindjuju: ping |
| 19:21.08 | mindjuju | so what do you think herlo? sammich v wings |
| 19:21.37 | mindjuju | korean bbq would be awesome, but pricey and takes a LONG ole time |
| 19:21.51 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah, I'm good with either |
| 19:22.00 | herlo | a post on blog.utos.org would be good either way :) |
| 19:22.20 | mindjuju | ~apb carmony |
| 19:22.21 | ibot | ACTION calls Duane Lee to rough up carmony |
| 19:22.48 | herlo | I'll post it on ping.fm and we can get it on our ml too |
| 19:23.05 | herlo | after the blog post has been created, that is |
| 19:23.39 | mindjuju | k, i'll find us a place up by carmony and see if superNotListeningToUs wants to try the UC again |
| 19:24.03 | herlo | lol, k |
| 19:24.09 | herlo | we should try to get it announced by tomorrow |
| 19:24.38 | herlo | mindjuju: thx |
| 19:24.41 | mindjuju | if i don't reach them here in a bit, i'll bust out the ole cellphone |
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| 19:33.25 | herlo | kk |
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| 19:56.51 | mindjuju | ~oracle fungus |
| 19:56.57 | mindjuju | hmm, i'll have to make one |
| 19:57.20 | fungus | eek, don't connect me and Oracle. that's scary. |
| 19:57.45 | mindjuju | no, not oracle that way, oracle as in fungus who is ultra guru |
| 19:57.50 | mindjuju | so hey quick question |
| 19:58.16 | mindjuju | let's say that I have an email server that has a mailbox with TONS of emails |
| 19:58.29 | mindjuju | and let's further say that I want to grep over ALL of those emails |
| 19:58.37 | mindjuju | on ubuntu, that is |
| 19:58.41 | mindjuju | that should be doable, no? |
| 19:58.59 | herlo | mindjuju: yes, very simple |
| 19:59.08 | mindjuju | ah good! thx herlo! |
| 19:59.18 | fungus | very very simple |
| 19:59.32 | herlo | grep 'textIwanttoSearch' /path/to/maildir/* :) |
| 19:59.41 | herlo | or for case insensitive search |
| 19:59.41 | fungus | close... |
| 19:59.46 | herlo | grep -i 'textIwanttoSearch' /path/to/maildir/* :) |
| 19:59.51 | fungus | add a -r |
| 19:59.53 | herlo | fungus: depends on if it's maildir or mailbox |
| 19:59.57 | herlo | er mbox |
| 20:00.03 | fungus | if it's a maildir you need -r |
| 20:00.18 | mindjuju | so then how do I output to a text file, would that be something like |
| 20:00.23 | mindjuju | >>outputfile.txt |
| 20:00.25 | fungus | and hey, shouldn't everyone be using maildir anyway |
| 20:01.19 | herlo | fungus: not arguing |
| 20:02.45 | mindjuju | so, about saving to a text file, is that just >> output.txt ? |
| 20:02.55 | mindjuju | like it is in winders DOS |
| 20:03.20 | herlo | mindjuju: or just > if you want to overwrite everything there... |
| 20:03.25 | herlo | but yeah, same thing |
| 20:03.38 | mindjuju | way cool, thx guys! |
| 20:03.42 | mindjuju | ~herlo++ |
| 20:03.45 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 20:04.32 | herlo | :P |
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| 21:29.26 | mgeary | ping _psychic_ |
| 21:29.32 | mgeary | or anyone else that uses Cake a log |
| 21:29.34 | mgeary | *lot |
| 21:30.17 | mgeary | i've been handed an old Cake project, and i'm trying to get it running on my local machine |
| 21:30.25 | mgeary | the code is up and going, but i have no database |
| 21:31.07 | mgeary | is Cake like Django in that there are tools to generate the DB tables from the cli? |
| 21:31.38 | mindjuju | DtD may know |
| 21:32.07 | herlo | mgeary: yes, to a point. |
| 21:32.27 | mgeary | herlo: can you give me a howto or point me to the relevant portion of the docs? |
| 21:32.30 | macnewbold | mgeary: cake often goes from a created db to "bake" the other tsuff based on the db schema |
| 21:32.33 | herlo | iirc, cake has scaffolding |
| 21:32.39 | macnewbold | but i think there is some schema generation stuff too |
| 21:32.46 | macnewbold | and yes, scaffolding is aviailable too |
| 21:32.47 | herlo | mgeary: I just saw a demo by DexterTheDragon |
| 21:33.13 | macnewbold | mgeary: if you have a way to get a copy of the database, that'd be by far the easiest |
| 21:33.21 | mgeary | i don't |
| 21:33.27 | macnewbold | hm |
| 21:33.29 | mgeary | that's apparently off the table |
| 21:35.25 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: if there's a schema.php file with it you can do a `cake schema run create` |
| 21:36.06 | DexterTheDragon | if thats not there your kinda screwed. cake implies models from the db structure so model files don't even have to exist like in django |
| 21:36.48 | macnewbold | mgeary: did any of the /tmp/ files from the running system come with it? there is a model cache there that would have some info for you |
| 21:37.35 | macnewbold | might be in app/tmp/cache/models/ if you have them |
| 21:38.21 | mgeary | macnewbold: the folder is there, but it's from svn, so perhaps that's why the folder/files are empty |
| 21:38.29 | macnewbold | hm |
| 21:38.32 | mgeary | where would the schema.php file be? |
| 21:38.37 | DexterTheDragon | config/sql/ |
| 21:38.39 | macnewbold | yeah, i normally wouldn't have put the tmp/ into svn with it's files |
| 21:40.19 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: config/sql/ only has "db_acl.sql", "i18n.sql" and "sessions.sql" |
| 21:41.46 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: yeah your kinda screwed. your last hope would be going through all the model files and seeing if they contain the column information |
| 21:42.01 | DexterTheDragon | which isn't guaranteed |
| 21:42.34 | mgeary | you mean the model files might *not* contain the column info? |
| 21:42.40 | mindjuju | DtD knows all! |
| 21:42.43 | DexterTheDragon | they don't have to |
| 21:42.44 | macnewbold | mgeary: exactly |
| 21:42.45 | mindjuju | ~DtD++ |
| 21:42.51 | mgeary | ugh |
| 21:42.53 | DexterTheDragon | like I said cake implies that info off the db structure |
| 21:43.02 | macnewbold | mgeary: it reads the db to find out the columns |
| 21:43.07 | DexterTheDragon | the model files themselves don't even have to exist |
| 21:43.07 | mgeary | that's one thing i like about django, it works in the other direction |
| 21:43.24 | mgeary | i like the code being the authority, rather than the DB instance |
| 21:43.26 | mgeary | ah well |
| 21:43.33 | macnewbold | mgeary: one place that often has info about columns |
| 21:43.38 | macnewbold | is in the views/ |
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| 21:43.46 | macnewbold | especially if there are admin views, or other forms, |
| 21:43.56 | macnewbold | they usually will explicitly list the columns etc. |
| 21:44.25 | macnewbold | but again, they can just say "make me a form for this table" and it will do it, but most things don't work with the raw defaults from that. |
| 21:48.42 | mgeary | :S okay |
| 21:50.43 | macnewbold | i'd wager you'll like cake a lot once you get going, but it stinks to try and get rolling without having a db when the files aren't set up for not getting a copy of the db. |
| 21:56.23 | mgeary | heh |
| 21:56.25 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:56.32 | mgeary | so, how are URLs configured in cake? |
| 21:56.46 | mgeary | how can i best follow code that's being run at localhost/foo/bar ? |
| 21:57.52 | DexterTheDragon | /:controller/:action |
| 22:01.15 | macnewbold | mgeary: see also config/routes.php |
| 22:02.21 | mgeary | aha, that's what i wanted |
| 22:05.29 | mgeary | okay, so in the routes, i see a controller and an action. I'm looking at the function with that name (index) in the appropriate controller file |
| 22:05.41 | mgeary | how does this controller function then relate to the view template? |
| 22:06.02 | mgeary | sorry for making y'all give me a cake crash course. I thought it'd be quicker to get this site up |
| 22:06.24 | herlo | mgeary: don't do it! |
| 22:06.26 | herlo | it's a trap! |
| 22:06.34 | influx | new video! |
| 22:07.34 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: it auto renders the view based on the name. views/controller/action.ctp |
| 22:07.45 | mgeary | ah |
| 22:08.20 | mgeary | i'm looking at that ctp file, and it's a fragment, lacking headers & footers. I don't see any clear indicators of where the wrapper html template might live. What would be handling that? |
| 22:08.41 | mgeary | aha |
| 22:08.43 | mgeary | found it |
| 22:08.47 | DexterTheDragon | yep layout |
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| 22:09.42 | mgeary | okay, so what's currently happening is that my layout file is rendering, but not the inner content. i'm getting a 404 on the inner portion |
| 22:09.51 | mgeary | is there a template_path or somesuch that needs to be defined, perhaps? |
| 22:10.30 | DexterTheDragon | sounds like your just plain getting a 404 |
| 22:10.41 | DexterTheDragon | do you have debug turned on in the config? |
| 22:11.13 | mgeary | nope |
| 22:11.14 | mgeary | woah |
| 22:12.00 | mgeary | okay |
| 22:12.37 | mgeary | yeah, so it's actually complaining about the missing DB, so i guess i've now come as far as i can |
| 22:12.49 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 22:35.24 | herlo | anyone around to help with a little css ?? |
| 22:37.41 | mindjuju | what you got herlo |
| 22:38.02 | herlo | mindjuju: in #utos, fugue88 is answering me, but I could use your help there too probably |
| 22:45.03 | unum | eggyknap: around? |
| 22:45.16 | unum | I need to know about removing a table using bucard_ctl |
| 22:45.48 | influx | oi |
| 22:46.15 | unum | bucardo_ctl I mean |
| 22:46.43 | influx | i.e. if {$foo=='bar'): //dosomething endif; |
| 22:47.13 | influx | I know php is whitespace insensitive, but figured I'd ask. |
| 22:47.23 | unum | doesn't matter |
| 22:47.30 | unum | don't know why you'd use a colon |
| 22:47.48 | unum | if ($foo=='bar'){blah;blah;blah} |
| 22:47.57 | unum | ops forgot my semicolon on the last blag |
| 22:48.05 | unum | you could write the whole program on one line |
| 22:48.12 | influx | hah |
| 22:48.29 | influx | the colon just makes it easier for me to spot the end of a block. |
| 22:48.36 | unum | but generall people use more lines for a good reason :) |
| 22:48.43 | influx | looking for endif would be easier for me than to sift for } |
| 22:48.47 | influx | yeah. |
| 22:50.38 | unum | in that you wouldn't be sure you ended it if you didn't see the endif |
| 22:51.02 | unum | or you plan on looking at this line a lot so you need to find it? |
| 23:09.44 | influx | the former |
| 23:12.42 | unum | well I guess if you're going to put it all on one line.... |
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