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| 00:30.49 | mindjuju | ninnypants, you still around? |
| 00:31.15 | ninnypants | yup |
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| 02:25.31 | beandog | yo har |
| 02:27.15 | ninnypants | ? |
| 02:27.21 | herlo | har yo |
| 02:28.15 | beandog | whats up herlo |
| 02:28.34 | herlo | beandog: just wrapping up the utos core team meeting |
| 02:29.03 | beandog | herlo: right on |
| 02:29.33 | beandog | hmm |
| 02:29.37 | beandog | I can't find my credit card |
| 02:29.39 | beandog | that's either good or bad. |
| 02:30.47 | herlo | I think bad |
| 02:31.24 | ninnypants | could be good if it's not in the hands of a baddie |
| 02:33.07 | ninnypants | beandog: was that your possibly bad situation? |
| 02:33.19 | beandog | yah |
| 02:33.20 | beandog | I found it |
| 02:34.13 | ninnypants | any news on your attempt to adopt a pup? |
| 02:34.29 | beandog | ninnypants: I actually just called my landlord, to make sure its okay |
| 02:34.40 | beandog | although Im sure it is ... everyone here has dogs. |
| 02:35.00 | beandog | I just dont know if he needs pet deposit or anything |
| 02:35.57 | ninnypants | that's good I know a lot of people lie about being able to have pets at their apartment, and are surprised when we call the landlords |
| 02:36.50 | beandog | :) |
| 02:38.11 | beandog | now I cant find my checks, sheesh |
| 02:38.15 | supernothere | hehe |
| 02:38.34 | supernothere | you're getting a puppy beandog? |
| 02:38.41 | beandog | supernothere: not a puppy |
| 02:38.48 | supernothere | a dog rather? |
| 02:38.51 | beandog | a doggie |
| 02:38.54 | supernothere | w00t |
| 02:39.01 | supernothere | what kind? |
| 02:39.14 | beandog | hmm |
| 02:39.15 | beandog | dunno |
| 02:39.19 | beandog | I found four I liked |
| 02:39.20 | supernothere | the nice kind? :) |
| 02:39.33 | supernothere | the kind that run around with cops chasing after em? :) |
| 02:39.57 | DexterTheDragon | the kind that eat your homework? |
| 02:40.05 | supernothere | Mmmm, homework... |
| 02:41.21 | beandog | http://www.caws.org/available_new.html |
| 02:41.57 | beandog | ninnypants: it seems like that gets updated regularly .. |
| 02:42.12 | beandog | okay, Im off to pay rent, tootles |
| 02:42.24 | supernothere | heheh, that cat picture is cute |
| 03:17.57 | ninnypants | dang he left |
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| 03:54.29 | mindjuju | ~apb eggyknap |
| 03:54.30 | ibot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to spray mace at eggyknap |
| 03:54.35 | mindjuju | ~apb josephscott |
| 03:54.36 | ibot | ACTION calls Dog the Bounty Hunter to spray mace at josephscott |
| 03:54.42 | supernothere | ping ninnypants :) |
| 03:55.07 | supernothere | hi josephscott! |
| 03:55.15 | josephscott | hi |
| 03:55.34 | supernothere | I forwarded your email; don't know whether you saw the reply from my boss too |
| 03:55.36 | herlo | ~apb mindjuju |
| 03:55.37 | ibot | ACTION summons Leland to spray mace at mindjuju |
| 03:55.54 | supernothere | especially if swb can come :) |
| 03:56.24 | josephscott | supernothere: yep, replying to that one now |
| 03:56.29 | supernothere | awesome ;) |
| 03:56.36 | josephscott | she mentioned coming out for it |
| 03:56.47 | supernothere | yay! I just love her. |
| 03:57.05 | herlo | josephscott: when that be? |
| 03:57.06 | supernothere | girl geeks are too few and far between |
| 03:57.23 | herlo | supernothere: I met quite a few girl geeks at agileroots this week |
| 03:57.44 | supernothere | oh, maybe you met my coworker :) |
| 03:57.46 | supernothere | she got to go |
| 03:57.49 | josephscott | herlo: August 28th @ University of Utah. just confirmed location + date, getting site up and other things going and then will be blogging like mad :-) |
| 03:57.59 | herlo | sweet! |
| 03:58.06 | josephscott | awesome |
| 03:58.07 | supernothere | I know! super sweet! |
| 03:58.19 | supernothere | I can't help with video btw, josephscott, but I would be happy to help with other stuff |
| 03:58.45 | supernothere | and I could check with my coworkers about the video stuff, but I do know the guy who does our is _always_ working on stuff |
| 04:03.26 | josephscott | we'll have two presentation rooms, so we'll a few folks to help in that area |
| 04:03.59 | herlo | well, I'm saying I can do all of it with a couple really cool tools I've recently been helping with :) |
| 04:04.17 | supernothere | I could do whatever doesn't require super ninja-level skills if someone wants to show me how |
| 04:04.46 | herlo | specifically, freeseer (http://fosslc.org/drupal/freeseer) and my awesome audio/video technical editing abilities :) |
| 04:05.03 | herlo | supernothere: w00t! |
| 04:05.18 | supernothere | Oh |
| 04:05.20 | josephscott | that would be cool |
| 04:05.38 | mindjuju | herlo --> pong |
| 04:05.42 | herlo | yeah, we're going to be doing 5 rooms at UTOSC so this would be a perfect setup |
| 04:05.47 | herlo | mindjuju: pm |
| 04:05.54 | mindjuju | kk |
| 04:09.54 | josephscott | herlo: utosc at miller campus again? |
| 04:10.10 | herlo | josephscott: yup |
| 04:10.13 | josephscott | cool |
| 04:10.29 | herlo | josephscott: yeah, we're actually getting less rooms this year, but hopefully more people |
| 04:10.45 | herlo | josephscott: if you haven't already, only 30 days left on Call for Papers -- we need you! |
| 04:11.06 | josephscott | hmmm, wonder what I could submit for this year |
| 04:11.24 | herlo | supernovia: that goes for you double -- we need you!! |
| 04:11.36 | herlo | or triple, or whatever will get you to submit a talk :) |
| 04:11.38 | supernovia | Hm? |
| 04:11.41 | supernovia | What do you need? |
| 04:11.50 | herlo | sure you do :) |
| 04:11.50 | supernovia | I think in pictures :-S |
| 04:11.56 | supernovia | or feelings even |
| 04:12.00 | herlo | lol |
| 04:12.02 | supernovia | and then when I try to say it nothing comes out right |
| 04:12.25 | supernovia | and I think I have ADD too |
| 04:12.46 | supernovia | and I look weird on camera (which is to say, I look weird IRL too) |
| 04:12.57 | supernovia | but if in spite of all that you'd still want me to say something, I could try :-p |
| 04:13.09 | herlo | supernovia: at least submit |
| 04:13.21 | herlo | btw, we won't be putting faces on camear this year unless they are keynotes |
| 04:13.33 | supernovia | Well, maybe we'll write up something about using WordPress and WP-ecommerce to crank out the new blendtec.com |
| 04:13.39 | supernovia | Oh, that's good |
| 04:13.49 | supernovia | (new as in not released yet!) |
| 04:13.54 | herlo | yeah, that's a cool idear |
| 04:14.02 | herlo | well, it'll be ready by October, I would suspect :) |
| 04:14.07 | supernovia | Well, and we'd be talking about it at WordCamp anyway |
| 04:14.13 | herlo | supernovia: http://utosc.com and sign up!! |
| 04:14.15 | supernovia | Yeah, should be ready soon |
| 04:16.16 | supernovia | s/aleady/already/ |
| 04:16.28 | herlo | lol, I learned a ton about public speaking in the one I took at UVSC |
| 04:16.34 | supernovia | Did you? |
| 04:16.50 | supernovia | I'm trying to take it from David Litchford. I've heard he's good. But he only offers his class online. |
| 04:17.09 | herlo | hrm, that's odd for a public speaking class imo |
| 04:17.13 | supernovia | I actually have all of the materials here because I was going to take it this past semester, but then put it off |
| 04:17.18 | supernovia | Agreed. |
| 04:17.24 | herlo | I can't recall who my instructor was, but I know someone who can remind me |
| 04:17.38 | herlo | indeed |
| 04:17.43 | eggyknap | eep... utosc. Guess I oughta think about that. |
| 04:18.53 | herlo | eggyknap: 30 days left http://blog.utos.org/2010/06/15/utosc-2010-call-for-papers-has-30-days-left/ |
| 04:19.28 | herlo | eggyknap: we need you!! |
| 04:20.04 | eggyknap | I feel loved :) |
| 04:20.19 | supernovia | better when it's free... I <3 that my .net coworkers are totally digging wp & PHP |
| 04:20.24 | herlo | supernovia: my public speaking teacher was Phil Gordon. I really enjoyed his class |
| 04:20.54 | herlo | my friend Shantelle and I took it together. |
| 04:21.18 | supernovia | Oh man. I really do need to learn how to freaking _talk_ |
| 04:21.28 | herlo | Shantelle still has nightmares about it tho... |
| 04:21.32 | supernovia | hahah |
| 04:22.03 | herlo | just craziness in general |
| 04:22.04 | supernovia | well I've had people recommend the Litchford guy |
| 04:22.36 | supernovia | I've also heard of a pubic speaking club that meets in AF on Tuesdays; one of my friends suggested I try it out after she heard me fall all over myself at church |
| 04:23.42 | supernovia | But I'm gonna stop saying that now in hopes to eventually believe otherwise |
| 04:23.45 | herlo | supernovia: it's just a matter of command of your voice :) |
| 04:23.55 | herlo | you are good at talking... |
| 04:24.12 | supernovia | I actually do OK I think, in meetings |
| 04:24.30 | eggyknap | one hint: remember to breathe. It always amazes me how many otherwise excellent speakers end up sounding like they're crying in front of an audience, because they're not breathing |
| 04:24.56 | supernovia | and in interviews, and in anything that's supposed to be somewhat impromptu. It's when I try to organize my thoughts in advance that I end up sounding like a game of boggle |
| 04:25.08 | eggyknap | Another hint: remember no one brought their rotten tomatoes. That's passe, so don't worry about getting them thrown at you :) |
| 04:25.09 | supernovia | Oh, I _always_ forget to breathe |
| 04:25.49 | supernovia | and then I sit down and think "What in the world did I just say? ahhh!" |
| 04:25.54 | eggyknap | As an aside, did I just see lightning up north? |
| 04:26.02 | eggyknap | Ooo... thunder. Must have been lightning after all. :) |
| 04:26.04 | supernovia | Wouldn't surprise me, eggyknap |
| 04:26.06 | herlo | eggyknap: yep, very likely |
| 04:26.23 | herlo | sig0 says she saw it, and just heard the lightning ourselves... |
| 04:26.25 | supernovia | I saw the towering cumulonimbus clouds piling up at the end of our swim today |
| 04:26.49 | DexterTheDragon | lovely strom here in Layton |
| 04:26.49 | eggyknap | I guess it's been raining here a few minutes, and I never heard it over the fan we've had running. |
| 04:26.55 | supernovia | which means the pool is probably going to be cold again in the morning. oy. |
| 04:26.59 | eggyknap | stroms are my favorite kind :) |
| 04:27.13 | ninnypants | major hail at my house today |
| 04:27.45 | eggyknap | Yeah, I'm kinda hoping the hail trend of late doesn't continue. My garden's getting advanced enough that a little hail is really bad news. |
| 04:28.18 | ninnypants | the puppies in my back yard have handled most of my garden |
| 04:28.56 | supernovia | someone finally plowed the garden space here today |
| 04:29.29 | supernovia | a little late, but I guess not so bad |
| 04:29.31 | eggyknap | My boys (ages 4 and 5) are officially in charge of the popcorn this year. When it sprouted a few weeks ago, they were over the moon |
| 04:29.55 | eggyknap | Now I just have to find something to plant where the radishes were -- we dug 'em out today because they were bolting. |
| 04:36.04 | ninnypants | http://ninnypants.com/blog/personal/shawnee/ one of my favorite fosters |
| 04:39.35 | DexterTheDragon | hehe my blinds are dripping |
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| 04:41.51 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: heh, I love these graphs |
| 04:44.46 | beandog | http://graphjam.com/2010/05/21/funny-graphs-things-think-exam/ |
| 04:44.48 | beandog | lol |
| 04:46.52 | supernovia | that's awesome :) |
| 04:52.27 | beandog | http://graphjam.com/2010/05/09/funny-graphs-reasons-profanities/ |
| 04:52.29 | beandog | lol |
| 04:52.30 | beandog | oh man |
| 04:54.45 | ninnypants | http://graphjam.com/2010/06/04/funny-graphs-locate-hollister-abercrombie/ |
| 04:55.03 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: related http://graphjam.com/2010/06/11/funny-graphs-cant-beat-video-game/ |
| 04:55.05 | beandog | ninnypants: Ludo, cute |
| 04:55.45 | ninnypants | yeah he was an awesome dog |
| 04:56.10 | ninnypants | really funny to watch he was very jerky and constantly surprised by things |
| 04:56.26 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: oh man, Im the same way |
| 04:56.36 | beandog | which reminds me, I wanna go play TFU |
| 04:56.41 | beandog | ninnypants: thats cool |
| 04:56.47 | beandog | ninnypants: that would be a fun dog to have |
| 04:56.48 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: you see the TFU2 stuff? |
| 04:57.00 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: oh man .. I wish I hadnt .... NO LIKEY THE WAIT |
| 04:57.18 | beandog | whats up with teasers like 8 months before the games come out? |
| 04:57.19 | beandog | thats horrible. |
| 04:58.17 | beandog | ninnypants: how many do you have right now? |
| 04:58.17 | ninnypants | 8 six fosters and my 2 dogs |
| 04:58.20 | beandog | http://graphjam.com/2010/05/10/funny-graphs-cookies-fresh-oven/ |
| 04:59.52 | DexterTheDragon | http://graphjam.com/2010/05/27/funny-graphs-villains-scooby-doo-arrested/ |
| 05:00.12 | beandog | http://graphjam.com/2010/05/01/funny-graphs-drink-gatorade/ |
| 05:00.12 | beandog | lmao |
| 05:00.14 | beandog | these are great |
| 05:00.23 | beandog | ninnypants: what are your two? |
| 05:01.29 | ninnypants | I have a german shepard husky mix and a rotwheiler mix |
| 05:01.48 | ninnypants | we're the 5th home for both |
| 05:01.52 | ninnypants | kinda weird |
| 05:02.10 | beandog | ninnypants: thats cool |
| 05:02.13 | beandog | ninnypants: 5th??? |
| 05:02.15 | beandog | how does that happen |
| 05:03.36 | beandog | http://graphjam.com/2010/04/20/funny-graphs-pandora-work/ |
| 05:03.59 | ninnypants | for the shepard he ended up in the pound then was adopted by someone who then lost their job/ home and gave him to their mom who gave him to me |
| 05:04.21 | supernovia | that reminds me. .. putting on non-horrible music. |
| 05:04.34 | ninnypants | as for the rotwheiler I'm not completely sure I know she was abused in her first home then passed between homes for several years |
| 05:05.11 | beandog | wow, thats rough |
| 05:05.12 | beandog | :( |
| 05:05.16 | beandog | how old are they |
| 05:05.57 | beandog | http://graphjam.com/2010/04/10/funny-graphs-short-shorts/ |
| 05:05.58 | beandog | lol |
| 05:06.21 | ninnypants | we think the rottie is 6 and the shepard is 1 1/2 |
| 05:06.24 | ninnypants | ish |
| 05:06.43 | beandog | ninnypants: wow, young |
| 05:06.44 | beandog | thats cool |
| 05:08.02 | beandog | http://graphjam.com/2010/04/04/funny-graphs-sorry-text/ |
| 05:08.04 | beandog | lmao |
| 05:08.06 | beandog | oh my gosh these are great. |
| 05:09.11 | ninnypants | yeah took a lot of time to work through issues his past owners had given him though |
| 05:09.25 | beandog | ninnypants: how do you do that? work with an abused dog |
| 05:10.48 | supernovia | are you fostering a doggie beandog or adopting? |
| 05:10.55 | beandog | supernovia: adopt |
| 05:11.07 | beandog | holy thunderbolt |
| 05:11.08 | josephscott | ug, thought my code was broken, turned out the service was turned off :-( |
| 05:11.49 | supernovia | d'oh! |
| 05:12.11 | supernovia | ^^ josephscott |
| 05:12.17 | ninnypants | you gotta get their trust then teach them their boundries through positive re-inforcement it takes a good amount of time and patience |
| 05:12.20 | supernovia | to beandog: wow. Congrats :) |
| 05:12.38 | josephscott | yeah, always good to double check your assumptions, like a service is actually up and not down :-) |
| 05:13.02 | ninnypants | I actually re-habilitated that white shepard I posted earlier. She was very dog aggressive when I got her |
| 05:13.03 | beandog | ninnypants: thats cool |
| 05:13.19 | supernovia | my kids are scared of dogs |
| 05:13.23 | supernovia | hee hee |
| 05:13.58 | beandog | ninnypants: aggressive how? |
| 05:14.19 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: like naw your arm off |
| 05:14.49 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: that'd be a negative. |
| 05:15.02 | supernovia | ninnypants do you guys ever let people foster a dog then adopt if it's a good fit? |
| 05:15.05 | ninnypants | she had been an only dog on a farm for 6 years so her job was to run other dogs off, so when we got her she would go after every dog that got close to her |
| 05:15.14 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: one more link before beddy-bye |
| 05:15.16 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/geekdom/ |
| 05:15.18 | beandog | :D |
| 05:15.22 | ninnypants | supernovia: yep |
| 05:16.02 | supernovia | lol |
| 05:16.07 | beandog | ninnypants: oh okay, so they can kinda be trained that way .. makes sense. |
| 05:16.43 | ninnypants | supernovia: the lady I volunteer with and I do it all the time but the organization we volunteer for doesn't really like it for some reason |
| 05:16.44 | beandog | ninnypants: thats gotta be difficult. -_- |
| 05:16.55 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: have you read all the archives? |
| 05:17.01 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: yah |
| 05:17.12 | DexterTheDragon | they're so great |
| 05:17.18 | beandog | oh yah |
| 05:17.20 | beandog | they are classic |
| 05:17.21 | beandog | :D |
| 05:17.25 | ninnypants | beandog: she learned quite quick actually I had her most the way rehabilitated in about 3 days |
| 05:19.56 | beandog | http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/bucket-list/ |
| 05:19.58 | beandog | oh man |
| 05:20.01 | beandog | now Im reading all the archives |
| 05:20.03 | beandog | thanks a lot, DexterTheDragon |
| 05:20.08 | beandog | ninnypants: thats pretty fast, isnt it? |
| 05:20.20 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: me too. HAHA |
| 05:20.37 | ninnypants | yeah surprisingly fast but german shepards are really smart |
| 05:21.08 | DexterTheDragon | I loved this one http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/newborns-suck/ |
| 05:21.18 | beandog | lol |
| 05:21.24 | beandog | I love the one where the baby is attached to his nipple |
| 05:22.06 | beandog | http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/the-single-male/ |
| 05:22.08 | beandog | lol |
| 05:22.16 | beandog | that's so me, "one for the bathroom" |
| 05:22.21 | beandog | I almost bought two PS3s |
| 05:23.41 | beandog | http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/2010-preview-pt-3/ |
| 05:24.02 | ninnypants | http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/web-design/ |
| 05:24.18 | beandog | heh, that is great |
| 05:24.27 | DexterTheDragon | the third panel is the best |
| 05:24.36 | DexterTheDragon | never seen that error message |
| 05:26.24 | beandog | http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/baby-fears/ |
| 05:26.26 | beandog | found it! |
| 05:26.28 | beandog | Okay, Im off to bed |
| 05:26.32 | beandog | gnite guys |
| 05:26.44 | DexterTheDragon | laterz |
| 05:26.59 | beandog | ninnypants: I didnt hear back yet from my landlord, but Ill be submitting my app once I do. :) |
| 05:27.03 | beandog | Oh, that reminds me |
| 05:27.08 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: did you see the new 360? *want* |
| 05:27.14 | beandog | It actually looks decent now. |
| 05:27.15 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 05:27.24 | DexterTheDragon | looks like it has a big dent in it |
| 05:27.26 | ninnypants | beandog: sweet |
| 05:27.27 | supernovia | seeya guys. |
| 05:28.05 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: yah, I read one review, said it is pretty quiet |
| 05:28.25 | DexterTheDragon | once mine red rings I'll get the new one |
| 05:28.36 | beandog | how long you had it? |
| 05:28.57 | DexterTheDragon | like a year and a half I think |
| 05:29.11 | beandog | holding up pretty good then |
| 05:29.27 | DexterTheDragon | the disk drives been crapping out lately |
| 05:29.53 | beandog | ah, pooie |
| 05:30.27 | beandog | wow I have the oddest spambots follow me ... |
| 05:30.30 | beandog | okay |
| 05:30.31 | beandog | to bed! |
| 05:30.32 | beandog | nn |
| 05:37.31 | herlo | wuss |
| 05:37.32 | herlo | :) |
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| 09:09.42 | mindjuju | tierra, you around/ |
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| 15:17.50 | macnewbold | mindjuju: you need more sleep |
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| 15:31.59 | ninnypants | morning supernovia |
| 15:32.28 | supernovia | hola ninnypants :) |
| 15:34.12 | supernovia | how are things? |
| 15:41.48 | supernovia | I don't have my kids after all today so I'm just working. |
| 15:49.29 | influx | yo |
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| 15:50.39 | mindjuju | @macnewbold -- yup |
| 15:50.48 | mindjuju | but i finished my homework assignment, so that's good |
| 15:56.03 | mindjuju | man, i got blood drawn today, i should have told them not to use tape, i'll apply pressure with my finger |
| 15:56.43 | supernovia | howyd influx & mindjuju |
| 15:56.50 | supernovia | sounds like good times |
| 15:57.34 | mindjuju | yeah, the nurse couldn't make a go with arm vein so she went for the hand with a butterfly |
| 15:59.15 | supernovia | everything ok? |
| 15:59.34 | mindjuju | well, except for being poked in the hand 4x |
| 15:59.41 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:59.43 | Utah_Dave | I gave blood a few weeks ago. |
| 16:00.05 | Utah_Dave | They just sent me my own Red Cross Frequent Blood donor card |
| 16:00.14 | Utah_Dave | It's all fancy and stuff |
| 16:00.14 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:00.26 | mindjuju | awesome! i used to donate all the time, but i'm out of thehabbit |
| 16:00.43 | supernovia | nice Utah_Dave! |
| 16:00.49 | supernovia | I like to volunteer at blood draws |
| 16:00.58 | supernovia | because I used to try to give blood & they told me to stop trying |
| 16:01.07 | mindjuju | bummer! |
| 16:01.31 | supernovia | so the veins would collapse and stuff and it'd take forever to even get part of a bag - which they'd then have to throw away b/c it wasn't full |
| 16:01.51 | mindjuju | i had a friend that is anemic, and when they did the blood drop test, my sank link an anchor, hers was floaty |
| 16:01.53 | mindjuju | twas funny |
| 16:02.31 | supernovia | hehe |
| 16:02.50 | supernovia | now your'e just after brains ;-D |
| 16:03.00 | utahcon | BRAINS!!!! |
| 16:04.46 | ninnypants | and I had my pulse down to 58bpm but it went back up |
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| 16:06.37 | mindjuju | my blood pressure was a little high this morning, but literally had > 3hrs of sleep |
| 16:06.52 | mindjuju | and my cholestrol is 75 |
| 16:06.59 | mindjuju | (from last blood test) |
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| 16:22.16 | Utah_Dave | My doc said my cholesterol is kinda high, too. I'm supposed to get it down over the next few months |
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| 16:36.21 | josephscott | mindjuju: what's the topic for tomorrow night? |
| 16:38.26 | herlo | josephscott: I think he said Goto HA Part 2 |
| 16:38.44 | josephscott | HA part 2? |
| 16:40.33 | herlo | josephscott: no |
| 16:40.36 | herlo | Goto HA Part 2 |
| 16:40.48 | herlo | I think there was something else too |
| 16:43.07 | fungus | http://us2.php.net/goto |
| 16:43.10 | fungus | that Goto |
| 16:43.20 | josephscott | ug, no please |
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| 16:44.03 | josephscott | when I see "HA" I think High Availability |
| 16:44.34 | fungus | heh, me too. |
| 16:44.44 | fungus | just gotta get "goto" to be HA |
| 16:45.00 | fungus | that's the holy grail... right? |
| 16:45.49 | herlo | josephscott: exactly |
| 16:46.23 | josephscott | I have no idea what goto and high availability have to do with each other :-) |
| 16:46.34 | herlo | lol, they don't and that's the point |
| 16:47.41 | herlo | something along the lines of 'Presenter Cancelled', guess we'll be doing Part 2 of something something and Goto HA :) |
| 16:47.46 | herlo | josephscott: ^^ |
| 16:48.03 | josephscott | ah |
| 16:48.16 | josephscott | I'm dense this morning |
| 16:48.23 | herlo | which iirc the last time that happened, we hung out at BGM for about 30 minutes, then went to Applebees... |
| 16:48.26 | herlo | josephscott: :) |
| 16:50.24 | josephscott | what, someone doesn't have a presentation in their pocket just in case? |
| 16:50.43 | josephscott | we could talk about so called "nosql" db alternatives |
| 16:50.59 | josephscott | "NoSQL, How It Will Save The World and Why You Don't Care" |
| 16:51.49 | josephscott | :-) |
| 16:54.45 | ninnypants | why is nosql so popular right now? I haven't really read up on it |
| 16:56.09 | josephscott | a few different reasons |
| 16:56.31 | josephscott | one which few people talk about: most people don't know how to use the DB they already have correctly |
| 16:56.44 | _psychic_ | scale |
| 16:56.53 | _psychic_ | and freedom from a fixed schema |
| 16:57.00 | _psychic_ | map+reduce |
| 16:57.05 | josephscott | _psychic_: or at least perceived scale |
| 16:57.46 | _psychic_ | When you don't join data, it's easier to spread things around. |
| 16:58.04 | herlo | what's the keystroke to invoke firebug in firefox |
| 16:58.11 | _psychic_ | No one is saying RDBMSs don't scale |
| 16:58.32 | josephscott | joins can be ok, if they are in the right context |
| 16:58.57 | josephscott | wordpress.com still does a fair amount of joins, but it's within a limited context |
| 16:59.37 | _psychic_ | I totally agree, I'm just pointing out one reason it's easier to scale a document db |
| 17:00.22 | josephscott | I have problems with discussions of a tech that only involve the upside, how it will solve all your problems. With no serious analysis of downsides or trade offs |
| 17:00.49 | ninnypants | are you refering to joins as in LEFT JOIN or even having a select that selects from 2 tables? |
| 17:01.00 | _psychic_ | there aren't tables |
| 17:01.09 | josephscott | too many people throw out what they have for the "latest thing", with no serious thought for why |
| 17:01.20 | _psychic_ | well it's not completely baseless |
| 17:01.32 | _psychic_ | large companies with large datasets are using tools like this with good results |
| 17:01.45 | _psychic_ | but I agree - people need to realize the qualities of the tech |
| 17:01.50 | _psychic_ | same with the Flash/HTML5 argument |
| 17:02.05 | josephscott | yes they, but that isn't to say they couldn't have also done well with what they already had, if they knew how to use it correctly |
| 17:02.48 | josephscott | all I'm advocating for a reasonably analysis for these types of moves, and that is something that I rarely see |
| 17:02.49 | _psychic_ | I think Twitter and Facebook have the ability to find engineers who know how to use RDBMS tools right. |
| 17:03.23 | _psychic_ | I don't have much faith in 'objective analses' anymore. I like to see it working in real life. |
| 17:04.09 | josephscott | how many orgs have the types of challenges that Twitter or FB? |
| 17:04.51 | josephscott | the reason they end up with custom solutions is because they have custom problems |
| 17:05.17 | josephscott | most people don't have custom problems, they have run of the mill problems that have been solved over and over by lots of other people |
| 17:05.38 | josephscott | they can choose to learn from those others, or not |
| 17:05.47 | josephscott | too many fall into that second category |
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| 17:06.23 | mgeary | ~disgusted mgeary |
| 17:06.29 | _psychic_ | If it's got a proven record and an upside, I'll use it. |
| 17:07.11 | josephscott | and if it actually helps solve the problem you are trying to address |
| 17:07.18 | josephscott | digg is a perfect example of this |
| 17:08.07 | josephscott | they ditched mysql for cassandra, which fine, nothing wrong with that in and of itself |
| 17:08.35 | josephscott | but it turns out they were putting mysql to very poor use, extremely inefficient |
| 17:08.53 | josephscott | instead of looking at those inefficiencies, they choose to throw out the whole system |
| 17:08.56 | macnewbold | i think most people who complain about mysql performance are doing something wrong... not all, but most |
| 17:09.04 | josephscott | to me that's a pretty poor analysis of the problem, and the solution |
| 17:09.20 | _psychic_ | Maybe you're just reading too much into it. |
| 17:09.30 | josephscott | mysql is a complex system (like most DBs), that has been around for a long time |
| 17:09.38 | josephscott | it has quirks, and those quirks are well known |
| 17:10.06 | josephscott | cassandra is a complex system, that hasn't been around for very long and almost no one knows what quirks people will run into with it |
| 17:10.44 | josephscott | that's the high level version :-) |
| 17:11.20 | _psychic_ | If something runs in production on digg, reddit, facebook and twitter, I think those quirks are just as manageable as mysqls. |
| 17:11.24 | mgeary | hey folks, by the way, we're now officially hiring at The Treeline Group. Looking for an intermediate developer type. I need to submit the form to send the notice out to the jobs list, but if anyone here knows of someone looking for a chance to use existing PHP skills, learn python/django, and build cool stuff, please let me know |
| 17:11.32 | josephscott | and if the situation is right, I'll fight just as hard for other solutions |
| 17:11.39 | josephscott | I love memcached for some jobs |
| 17:11.58 | josephscott | redis is freaking awesome and I expect it to do very well for some tasks |
| 17:12.06 | herlo | mgeary: awesome. Do they get to work wherever they like just like you?? |
| 17:13.03 | josephscott | _psychic_: correct, those quirks may be just as manageable. My point was, I don't we know that yet or not |
| 17:13.20 | mgeary | herlo: heh. well, i try to do it every 3 years. I'd certainly entertain the scenario that an employee telecommutes from an arbitrary location for a month after 3 years of working here |
| 17:13.47 | _psychic_ | josephscott: it' running on some of the largest sites on the web - if it's not now, when would it be? |
| 17:14.08 | mgeary | that's actually an interesting perk to think about... maybe facilitate that in some way, with a travel/lodging stipend or something... |
| 17:14.11 | josephscott | large datasets are only one dimension, there are so many others |
| 17:14.31 | josephscott | and there are differences between large data sets as well |
| 17:15.34 | _psychic_ | I don't know if you think I'm advocating dropping all RDBMSs and migrating to docdb, but I'm not. I'm only saying that it's proven and is ready for use in whatever apps you're considering. |
| 17:16.55 | _psychic_ | NoSQL isn't a replacement. That's why it stands for 'not only'. |
| 17:17.16 | josephscott | the name change hasn't gained much ground |
| 17:17.20 | ninnypants | mgeary: can you send me the info |
| 17:17.33 | _psychic_ | josephscott: not with you. |
| 17:17.48 | josephscott | most folks still call it "no sql" |
| 17:17.54 | josephscott | not "not only sql" |
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| 17:18.31 | _psychic_ | If that's the case, I agree that they shouldn't. |
| 17:22.02 | fungus | If NoSQL is meant to mean "not only" then, it should be presented as NOSQL and not NoSQL |
| 17:23.19 | josephscott | and it's a hugely broad, non-descriptive term |
| 17:23.27 | josephscott | but that's another topic :-) |
| 17:25.51 | fungus | don't get me wrong. I like some of these non relational databases. They do extremely well at solving some specific problems. |
| 17:26.07 | fungus | My issue is the culture of NoSQL. |
| 17:28.21 | herlo | mgeary: good to know |
| 17:29.22 | unum | I still work off of my cs 171 professors mantra |
| 17:29.28 | unum | "on time, and under budget" |
| 17:29.56 | unum | that's how I make a majority of my decision about which tools to use |
| 17:30.06 | unum | and since I know sql, that's the fastest :) |
| 17:32.04 | fungus | but it's a good idea to learn about other alternatives during off hours |
| 17:32.30 | unum | true |
| 17:32.44 | unum | i hoping I can start coming to uphpu meetings soon |
| 17:33.03 | unum | my main gripe is premature optimization |
| 17:33.49 | fungus | heh, my main gripe is postmature optimization |
| 17:33.55 | unum | I had one guy who started talking about the "cool things google was doing with optimizations" I told him when i had their user base I'll start worrying about optimization |
| 17:34.05 | fungus | "I'll fix it later" |
| 17:34.13 | fungus | never happens. :( |
| 17:34.18 | unum | I fix it when the users complain |
| 17:34.41 | unum | sometimes I'll notice unacceptable levels when testing |
| 17:35.36 | unum | but I worked with a programmer who seemed to have trouble grasping the concept of gigahertz |
| 17:35.57 | unum | he was over complicating the code to save a few hundred cycles |
| 17:37.07 | fungus | Waiting for users to complain is very bad. By that time it's already in production, money is being lost, users are pissed, brand is hurt, etc, etc. |
| 17:37.25 | josephscott | there is a middle ground in there some where |
| 17:37.32 | mgeary | ~premature |
| 17:37.33 | ibot | ACTION "Premature Optimization is the root of all evil!" |
| 17:37.43 | josephscott | in general though, most people don't have the challenges that Google does |
| 17:37.44 | fungus | I agree that wasting time on micro optimization is bad. |
| 17:37.52 | unum | I'm in house, if they don't notice the problem in testing..... |
| 17:37.52 | josephscott | and those that do should count them selves lucky |
| 17:38.16 | fungus | but for god sakes, think about your resource constraints. I/O, memory, Disk usage, etc. |
| 17:38.59 | josephscott | I don't think focusing on the type of optimization is all that helpful |
| 17:39.01 | fungus | unum, that is what makes me mad at developers. |
| 17:39.07 | josephscott | the results are more important |
| 17:39.15 | unum | ya |
| 17:39.31 | unum | you need to look at it in balance |
| 17:39.32 | fungus | They don't care about performance, then it goes to production, and it's the sysadmins that get pissed on for poor performance. |
| 17:39.36 | josephscott | because a "micro" optimization can be good or bad, depending on the situation and the results |
| 17:40.05 | josephscott | fungus: our sysadmins hunt down the devs who committed the poor performing code :-) |
| 17:40.15 | unum | you can wast years theorizing about performance |
| 17:40.18 | fungus | "it worked in testing..." |
| 17:40.20 | josephscott | or they ask another dev to fix it :-) |
| 17:40.36 | fungus | josephscott, good for them. :) |
| 17:40.46 | josephscott | unum: yep, that's why the best performance test is to ship it into production ;-) |
| 17:40.58 | unum | generally in my situation my code is faster than what was being used |
| 17:41.06 | unum | so it's best that it gets done and they start using it |
| 17:41.21 | unum | if there are places to improve, I improve them |
| 17:41.37 | unum | but the priority is given based on other bottle necks in the company |
| 17:41.44 | josephscott | like I said, people who have tons of growth in usage should be glad they have to worry about performance |
| 17:41.46 | josephscott | most people don't |
| 17:41.57 | fungus | I'm not advocating wasting years. Just think about how resources are affected at all times. |
| 17:42.17 | fungus | "This code is reading the same data from disk many times, maybe I should cache that" |
| 17:42.46 | josephscott | fungus: I think for many places that is a bit of a pipe dream :-) I've talked to too many devs at too many places where the pressure to ship what ever "thing" gets finished is too strong |
| 17:42.49 | unum | you should think about it, but it's a balance |
| 17:43.08 | fungus | "This table is never going to be pruned, maybe I should tell the sysadmins that this could grow very big" |
| 17:44.08 | fungus | I guess it also really comes down to understanding what your code does. |
| 17:44.53 | josephscott | destroys DBs, that's what my code does :-) |
| 17:46.33 | fungus | I'm also advocating stronger communication to your sysadmins about your code, how it works, and what could be expected. |
| 17:46.49 | unum | well that would be good |
| 17:46.55 | unum | of course I'm both |
| 17:47.14 | fungus | ah, well then you don't have to worry about some communication barriers. |
| 17:48.20 | unum | ya, I get to deal with the problems I create :) |
| 17:49.37 | macnewbold | i think it's good for devs to get to deal with the problems they create |
| 17:50.18 | macnewbold | I think one of the most important things about being conscious of performance as you're developing is realizing the relative magnitude of potential issues |
| 17:50.57 | macnewbold | something that happens once per row might be problematic if you might have millions of rows, but fine when you have thousands. |
| 17:51.29 | macnewbold | doing 1000 queries in a single web page request might be a problem, especially if the queries are long |
| 17:52.09 | macnewbold | but by the same token, saving cycles isn't a huge deal, unless you're talking about the difference between the pageload taking 5 seconds and 20 seconds |
| 17:52.14 | macnewbold | magnitude |
| 17:52.32 | fungus | The devs I work with now are usually pretty awesome about that stuff. |
| 17:52.50 | macnewbold | if you're talking about doubling, tripling, and 10x-ing, then you might want to fix it, but if yuo're talking about 10, 20, 30% difference, i probably don't care until we know that's a bottleneck |
| 17:54.08 | josephscott | remember, results |
| 17:54.20 | josephscott | 10% might be worth it, if the results are worth it |
| 17:55.11 | josephscott | believe me, if Google could reduce their page load time by 10%, they will put a lot of work into it |
| 17:55.32 | josephscott | but for someone getting 2000 PVs a day, another 10% isn't likely to be a big deal |
| 17:55.41 | josephscott | because it's the results of that 10% that matter |
| 18:07.47 | macnewbold | exactly, that's kind of what i'm referring to when i talk about magnitude |
| 18:08.13 | macnewbold | the a small relative change is only big if the magnitude of the issue is really big |
| 18:08.35 | macnewbold | and a big relative change can easily have a visible effect even when the magnitude isn't that big |
| 18:08.45 | josephscott | agreed |
| 18:47.22 | mgeary | hey |
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| 18:47.29 | mgeary | how do i push a job over into a screen session? |
| 18:47.54 | mgeary | i started it outside of screen. i hit Ctrl-Z to pause it, i started a screen session, but when i type "fg" it doesn't see the suspended job |
| 18:48.02 | mgeary | is there a way to have it resume inside screen? |
| 19:08.25 | orsonj | so far I found out that you can use the disown command (if you are using bash) to disconnect the program from this session, but I don't know of a way to get it back after |
| 19:08.56 | orsonj | (It does continue to run in the background, like with screen, I just don't know of a way to get back to it again) |
| 19:37.17 | ninnypants | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/technology/07brain.html |
| 19:37.49 | ninnypants | interesting read. kinda long though |
| 19:46.53 | fungus | it's more than kinda long. It's really really long |
| 19:47.18 | fungus | I was really bored and didn't care about 90% of it. |
| 19:47.26 | fungus | but that 10% was really interesting. |
| 19:47.32 | DexterTheDragon | thats something only a person addicted to a flood of content would say |
| 19:47.38 | fungus | lol |
| 19:47.45 | fungus | you're probably right |
| 19:52.10 | ninnypants | I agree alot of it was boring |
| 19:52.28 | ninnypants | I don't really care about the guy's personal life |
| 19:53.37 | fungus | The funny they didn't mention. This dude made $1.3m *because* he is connected. |
| 19:54.02 | ninnypants | very true |
| 19:54.21 | fungus | And he only almost missed it because he wasn't connected enough. |
| 19:54.33 | unum | I haven't been able to finnish that article despite the number of times I've been linked to it |
| 19:54.37 | ninnypants | pluss he doen't seem to have issues raising millions in funding either |
| 19:54.47 | fungus | lol, no kidding. |
| 19:54.54 | unum | it feels like one of those "things were better in the old days" article |
| 19:55.14 | fungus | So the moral of the story. kill your brain by being overconnected, but be fantastically successful anyway. |
| 19:55.29 | ninnypants | yep |
| 19:55.59 | ninnypants | though I do feel like my brain is melting sometimes |
| 19:56.37 | fungus | Yeah, but you don't need to disconnect for weeks, and you don't need to change your lifestyle. |
| 19:56.54 | fungus | Just take a break for an hour or so every so often. |
| 19:57.17 | unum | my fiance not having internet has probably been good for me |
| 19:57.30 | unum | when I'm at work I'm plugged, in when I leave I'm done |
| 19:57.44 | fungus | wow, really? that's crazy talk |
| 19:57.49 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 19:57.59 | unum | well we're going to fix that before I move in :) |
| 19:58.05 | fungus | lol |
| 19:58.18 | fungus | I'd rather go without food than internet access |
| 19:58.24 | unum | speaking of that, anyone want to rent a condo near herlo? |
| 19:58.35 | unum | it's in murray, so theoretically you can get UTOPIA |
| 19:58.46 | herlo | theoretically |
| 19:58.53 | herlo | but not in reality :) |
| 19:59.04 | unum | sssshhhhhhh |
| 19:59.20 | herlo | fungus: I'm like you, need the internetz, if the sig0 can't understand, that's their problem :) |
| 19:59.55 | unum | I'm just offline when I'm with here |
| 19:59.57 | unum | her |
| 20:00.01 | unum | or babysitting..... |
| 20:00.17 | unum | that's not completely true, but I try not to spend time on my phone when I'm with her |
| 20:00.38 | ninnypants | that can be nice I love being disconnected sometimes |
| 20:00.39 | fungus | ah, ok. you are forgiven. |
| 20:00.40 | herlo | unum: you'll get to the point where you'll both be doing your thing and the intarwebz will be importante |
| 20:00.54 | herlo | but enjoy the moment |
| 20:01.07 | herlo | ninnypants: yeah, like camping |
| 20:01.16 | fungus | I wanna be the first test subject for installing wifi into my brain. |
| 20:01.31 | ninnypants | camping is good I usually just go to the dog park though |
| 20:01.51 | herlo | oh, well that's only an hour... |
| 20:01.54 | fungus | short breaks are good, as long as you have your phone with you, JIC |
| 20:02.32 | ninnypants | herlo: with me it's usually 2-3 hours I like going ant taking photos |
| 20:02.42 | unum | herlo: ya, I figure a few months after the wedding it will be more like that |
| 20:02.54 | unum | but I need to get it earlier because sometimes I need to fix things at work right away |
| 20:03.31 | unum | I took a 5 day hike last year, it was really ince |
| 20:03.32 | unum | nice |
| 20:03.36 | unum | going to do it again this year |
| 20:04.57 | ninnypants | I do want to go backpacking this year |
| 20:05.04 | unum | you should |
| 20:05.07 | unum | it's great |
| 20:05.13 | unum | I put it off for far too long |
| 20:05.30 | unum | finally a I just set a date and planned it |
| 20:05.39 | ninnypants | yeah I used to do 5-7 day hikes but haven't for a while |
| 20:05.48 | ninnypants | my dog even has a pack now |
| 20:06.09 | unum | where do you go? |
| 20:06.31 | ninnypants | I've never gone the same place twice |
| 20:06.55 | herlo | we're going crawdad hunting at strawberry or some such one of those times :) |
| 20:07.04 | ninnypants | I've done kings peak and a bunck of other hikes around the unitas |
| 20:09.54 | unum | I plan to do some up in the unitas |
| 20:10.08 | unum | I'm doing the sameone this year as I did last year |
| 20:10.15 | unum | bechler canyon in yellowstone |
| 20:10.26 | unum | well it'll be a little different this year |
| 20:10.35 | herlo | the unitas are nice starting this time of year |
| 20:12.06 | fungus | ninnypants, know any great dog-friendly hiking places that are close to SLC. Millcreek is fine, but getting old. |
| 20:13.02 | unum | I have to find a new home for my cats |
| 20:13.09 | unum | well atleast one of them |
| 20:13.17 | unum | we wouldn't mind getting rid of all three |
| 20:15.30 | ninnypants | fungus: I don't live in SLC and I usually just go for it anywhere that I go. I figure it's in the woods not the city so there shouldn't be the same restrictions |
| 20:15.50 | ninnypants | who knows maybe I'll get a giant ticket some day |
| 20:15.54 | fungus | lol |
| 20:16.11 | unum | or around here someone will just shoot it |
| 20:16.13 | fungus | a lot of canyons around here have really tight restrictions on dogs |
| 20:16.38 | fungus | Big/Little Cottonwood are off limits except parking lots. |
| 20:16.42 | ninnypants | depends on where you're at |
| 20:16.58 | ninnypants | where are you refering to unum? |
| 20:17.07 | unum | ninnypants: anywhere in utah |
| 20:17.41 | unum | that was mostly a snarky politically motivated remark and should be ignored |
| 20:18.00 | ninnypants | that can be true if you aren't careful but in the mountains there isn't really any trouble farmland you need to keep them close for sure |
| 20:18.25 | fungus | Mostly watershed restrictions around here. |
| 20:18.42 | ninnypants | I'm curious, unum, what inspired it? |
| 20:19.27 | unum | a lot of my family are the gun nut type, that prefer to enforce what they think are the laws with their guns rather than letting the police deal with it |
| 20:20.24 | ninnypants | fungus: that's a strange restriction... I curious as to why they think that deer, elk, squirls and coyotes don't go to the bathroom |
| 20:20.42 | fungus | lol, I agree. |
| 20:21.17 | ninnypants | unum: I like guns and am all for gun rights but those kind of people are rediculous |
| 20:21.44 | unum | I don't think laws against guns are useful, but ya some of the progun people scare me |
| 20:22.02 | unum | that reminds me my training certificate for my concealed carry expires this month |
| 20:22.10 | unum | oh well, not like I planned on buying a gun |
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| 20:28.02 | ninnypants | it's certainly worth doing |
| 20:35.12 | unum | I took the class with my family |
| 20:39.28 | ninnypants | I need to take it, but I'm waiting until I get my gun. I have rifles but not a hand gun |
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| 21:33.53 | ninnypants | it's crazy windy down in provo how about everywhere else? |
| 21:49.01 | jsmith-teaching | Not too windy in Vegas right now... just a gentle breeze |
| 21:49.46 | Utah_Dave | windy in Bluffdale / Lehi |
| 21:51.12 | mgeary | not windy in the San Diego airport |
| 21:51.52 | jsmith-teaching | mgeary: Ah, I'd rather be in San Diego |
| 21:52.37 | mgeary | jsmith-teaching: not after 2 consecutive flight cancelations, without a change of clothes |
| 21:52.50 | jsmith-teaching | mgeary: :-( |
| 21:52.57 | mgeary | it was supposed to be a single-day trip. out in the morning, back in the evening |
| 21:53.09 | jsmith-teaching | mgeary: Worse comes to worse, rent a car and drive to Vegas! |
| 21:53.13 | mgeary | evening flight was canceled, rebooked to 10am today, which flight was also canceled |
| 21:53.20 | jsmith-teaching | Yuck... |
| 21:53.33 | jsmith-teaching | Did they at least put you up in a hotel? |
| 21:53.35 | mgeary | now i'm booked for 6pm, but if that cancels, you can plan on me driving to vegas and crashing at your place |
| 21:53.38 | mgeary | yes, they did |
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| 22:59.45 | beandog | holy crack what a crazy day |
| 22:59.47 | beandog | code, code, code |
| 23:00.13 | beandog | mindjuju, got any good links? |
| 23:00.15 | beandog | query mindjuju |
| 23:00.23 | beandog | ~query mindjuju |
| 23:00.25 | beandog | ~fail |
| 23:00.26 | ibot | it has been said that fail is YOU FAIL. |
| 23:00.27 | beandog | ~sleep |
| 23:00.28 | ibot | well, sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 23:00.29 | beandog | heh |
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| 23:24.53 | supernovia | d'oh. Another hike missed. |
| 23:24.56 | supernovia | oh well. |
| 23:25.23 | beandog | heh |
| 23:25.35 | beandog | just jog up the stairs with a can of peas a few times |
| 23:25.37 | supernovia | too much traffic |
| 23:25.39 | beandog | that'll make up for it. |
| 23:25.41 | supernovia | There you go! |
| 23:26.07 | supernovia | Well the hikes are fun, but I suppose it'd be less fun when it's that windy out (not sure how it is up there but here, I'd really underestimated it.) |
| 23:26.23 | supernovia | so I just turned around and went back to work :-p |
| 23:26.46 | beandog | it is way windy out here |
| 23:27.05 | supernovia | Yeah, I don't know how pleasant that would have been by a waterfall |
| 23:27.36 | supernovia | in the dark, moreover |
| 23:30.26 | beandog | Okay, Im outties. |
| 23:30.28 | beandog | tah, alls |
| 23:30.39 | supernovia | Seeya beans |
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