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| 01:06.47 | influx | Any mac+chrome users here? |
| 01:07.58 | influx | nm |
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| 01:17.57 | xtrementl | DexterTheDragon: no show :P |
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| 01:23.36 | cedwards | can anyone offer suggestions on how to resolve these: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://origami.zelut.org/faq.php |
| 01:27.11 | cedwards | I've got most of them, but I don't understand why it doesn't like my <blockquote> |
| 01:28.10 | cedwards | n/m - got it. |
| 01:29.37 | influx | w/ 11 |
| 01:33.00 | cedwards | just one more page to fix. this one with 128 errors :( |
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| 01:38.32 | supernovia | hey DexterTheDragon |
| 01:38.58 | supernovia | haven't seen you for a while :-/ |
| 01:39.31 | fungus | finally, i'm done here. omw |
| 01:39.46 | Utah_Dave | supernovia: are you paying attention???? |
| 01:39.53 | supernovia | Of course! |
| 01:39.53 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 01:40.03 | supernovia | haven't seen you for a while either, Utah_Dave @ |
| 01:40.12 | supernovia | s/@/!/ |
| 01:41.03 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it's been hard to get to the meetings with my wife being pregnant |
| 01:41.25 | Utah_Dave | but we had the baby about 3 weeks ago and things are calming down a bit |
| 01:41.30 | supernovia | ah that's right.. how far along is she now? |
| 01:41.59 | Utah_Dave | she's negative 3 weeks along |
| 01:42.08 | supernovia | yipes! |
| 01:42.20 | Utah_Dave | I mean, she had the baby 3 weeks ago |
| 01:42.24 | supernovia | Oh, hehe |
| 01:42.33 | supernovia | meaning she had it 3 weeks ago? Hopefully not 3 weeks over? |
| 01:43.17 | Utah_Dave | right. We have a cute little chunky 3 week old baby girl! |
| 01:45.41 | Utah_Dave | hey, mindjuju, is this yours? http://mindjuju.com/ |
| 01:47.05 | supernovia | congrats! |
| 01:47.23 | Utah_Dave | thanks! |
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| 01:53.25 | cedwards | damned paypal buttons generating errors in my xhtml validation :( |
| 01:55.50 | beandog | Im not feeling great either |
| 01:59.57 | beandog | supernovia: o hai |
| 02:00.24 | supernovia | howdy beandog :) |
| 02:00.30 | beandog | are you at the mtg? |
| 02:00.31 | supernovia | I've got something for ya |
| 02:00.32 | supernovia | Yup |
| 02:00.46 | supernovia | are you going to make it to applebees? |
| 02:00.55 | beandog | supernovia: I dunno |
| 02:00.57 | beandog | I should rest |
| 02:01.13 | beandog | I wonder if I could get herlo to buy me a burger |
| 02:01.39 | supernovia | at applebees? or just go buy one and take it over? |
| 02:01.51 | supernovia | :0p |
| 02:02.12 | beandog | there |
| 02:02.27 | supernovia | herlo are you coming? |
| 02:02.35 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: well herlo is in Iowa |
| 02:03.34 | beandog | oh |
| 02:03.39 | beandog | Well that puts a damper on my chances. |
| 02:04.16 | supernovia | you can have some of my fiesta lime chicken :-D |
| 02:05.08 | Utah_Dave | beandog: maybe you can get herlo to call in an order for a burger for you |
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| 02:18.49 | josephscott | here's a nice list of example attacks - http://ha.ckers.org/xss.html |
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| 02:47.15 | josephscott | phpass http://www.openwall.com/phpass/ |
| 02:47.19 | supernovia | oh you are here, Utah_Dave! ididn't see ya come in |
| 02:47.41 | supernovia | I'm out :) |
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| 13:37.27 | utahcon | ugh... |
| 13:37.42 | utahcon | missed the IO day 2 keynote, and now only 5 parts of it are on youtube. |
| 13:37.45 | utahcon | where are the rest?! |
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| 14:45.58 | beandog | ~friday |
| 14:45.59 | ibot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 14:46.02 | beandog | http://xkcd.com/743/ |
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| 15:03.05 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: those 5 parts are all thats worth watching |
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| 15:20.44 | beandog | nooooooooooooooooo way |
| 15:20.44 | beandog | :D |
| 15:20.49 | beandog | http://www.google.com/ |
| 15:20.51 | beandog | Insert Coin |
| 15:21.22 | fungus | oh man, just wasted at least 5 min there. |
| 15:22.03 | beandog | The power pellets are kind of in an inconvenient spot |
| 15:22.38 | unum | ya |
| 15:22.50 | unum | ya I mean google |
| 15:22.51 | Utah_Dave | that's awesome |
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| 16:10.17 | itimber | morning guys |
| 16:10.31 | itimber | hey... |
| 16:10.42 | itimber | I'm prevey to a jk |
| 16:10.44 | itimber | oops |
| 16:11.07 | itimber | I'm aware of a senior level php programmer position in SLC |
| 16:11.34 | itimber | if anyone is looking for something like that, pm me |
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| 16:20.05 | carmony | fungus: you there? |
| 16:20.42 | beandog | ~friday |
| 16:20.43 | ibot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 16:21.06 | mindjuju | missed ya yesterday beandog |
| 16:21.15 | beandog | mindjuju, yah I was not feeling well |
| 16:21.16 | mindjuju | saw you weren't feeling good, sorry to hear that |
| 16:21.22 | beandog | I went to bed real early |
| 16:21.44 | mindjuju | glad to hear you got rest |
| 16:21.51 | beandog | oh si |
| 16:21.54 | beandog | mindjuju, how was it? |
| 16:22.12 | mindjuju | it was really good |
| 16:22.23 | mindjuju | that is until carmony and macnewbold got into a new holds barred fight |
| 16:22.34 | carmony | lol :P |
| 16:23.04 | mindjuju | even that was manageable, but when fungus started swing his chair and knocking people out |
| 16:23.10 | mindjuju | that's when things went crazy |
| 16:23.16 | beandog | whut? |
| 16:23.20 | beandog | did you get it on video at least |
| 16:23.45 | mindjuju | mac used the camera / camera stand as his first weapon of choice |
| 16:24.01 | mindjuju | i barely had time to disconnect the firewire |
| 16:24.09 | mindjuju | othereiwse would have wiped out my laptop |
| 16:26.23 | beandog | heh |
| 16:26.42 | mindjuju | yeah, twas pretty bad |
| 16:26.51 | mindjuju | DtD, you missed out |
| 16:26.55 | mindjuju | twas a good fight |
| 16:27.04 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: I think that laptop could survive an air raid |
| 16:27.13 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/2010-05-21-Getting-Up-For-W.gif |
| 16:27.16 | mindjuju | yeah, prolly |
| 16:27.21 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, that one is great |
| 16:27.22 | beandog | :D |
| 16:27.29 | beandog | I would totally do the toes one. |
| 16:28.11 | mindjuju | that's awesome |
| 16:34.49 | mindjuju | I want my 2 dollars |
| 16:34.59 | fungus | carmony: oh hai. i'm here |
| 16:35.32 | josephscott | didn't ask for a dime |
| 16:35.44 | mindjuju | josephscott ^5 |
| 16:36.02 | mindjuju | i should have that movie with me at all times |
| 16:37.14 | carmony | fungus: how can I check the filesystem of a hdd in linux? |
| 16:37.39 | DexterTheDragon | fsck |
| 16:37.44 | josephscott | and wait |
| 16:37.45 | fungus | fsck |
| 16:38.12 | fungus | though fsck works better when not mounted |
| 16:41.15 | stderr | fsck it |
| 16:41.17 | mindjuju | cool, starship troopers is on hulu |
| 16:41.27 | mindjuju | sup stderr |
| 16:41.33 | stderr | sup |
| 16:41.53 | influx | oi stderr |
| 16:42.11 | stderr | oi |
| 16:42.18 | stderr | comin to the party? |
| 16:45.32 | influx | Can't make it. I have errands to run for the barbecue tomorrow. |
| 16:45.41 | influx | You should come over. |
| 16:52.57 | stderr | which bbq? |
| 16:58.39 | carmony | ok |
| 16:58.50 | carmony | google pacman |
| 16:58.51 | carmony | awesome |
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| 17:02.49 | influx | Just a BBQ the roommates and I are having at Pirate House. |
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| 17:11.10 | mgeary | hey folks |
| 17:11.32 | beandog | ugh |
| 17:11.33 | mgeary | i need to copy more files than bash will let me, so i'm using xargs. How do i get a reference to the file passed to xargs? |
| 17:11.37 | beandog | the file upload class sucks. |
| 17:11.54 | mgeary | find somedir | xargs cp $foo /to/some/dir/ |
| 17:12.05 | mgeary | or can i just leave $foo off and it will do the right thing? |
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| 17:13.04 | DexterTheDragon | find somedir -exec cp {} /to/some/dir/ \; |
| 17:14.30 | fungus | mgeary: find somedir | xargs -I % cp % /to/some/dir |
| 17:15.06 | mgeary | xargs: illegal option -- l |
| 17:15.16 | mgeary | or is that an upper case i |
| 17:15.20 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:15.25 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary neads a better font |
| 17:15.28 | fungus | hehe |
| 17:15.35 | mgeary | bah |
| 17:15.40 | mgeary | Il |
| 17:15.50 | mgeary | on my screen those look nearly identical :/ |
| 17:16.01 | DexterTheDragon | thats why you need a better font |
| 17:19.12 | mgeary | yeah, was just elaborating for the slower ones among us, like thebigdog |
| 17:24.07 | beandog | There's nothing like someone changing their status to away right afer IM'ing them to make you feel loved |
| 17:24.26 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: even better is when they sign off |
| 17:24.40 | beandog | /exit |
| 17:24.48 | beandog | :) |
| 17:24.52 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, srsly, man |
| 17:25.12 | ninnypants | I think the best is when they stay available and just don't respond |
| 17:25.38 | DexterTheDragon | nah cause then ya can tell yourself they're just away and don't have an autoaway thing |
| 17:27.28 | ninnypants | every one has the auto away thing even msn messenger |
| 17:27.44 | DexterTheDragon | I don't have an autoaway |
| 17:28.18 | ninnypants | that's suprising what do you use? |
| 17:28.23 | DexterTheDragon | bitlbee |
| 17:29.08 | ninnypants | I used that for a bit I thought it had it |
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| 17:52.52 | orsonj | There was another one (can't remember now) that was a bit better, but it needed that sub pixel antialiasing to look good and It doesn't work on a vertial display. |
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| 17:58.44 | orsonj | http://hivelogic.com/articles/top-10-programming-fonts |
| 17:59.19 | orsonj | Inconsolata, that was the one |
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| 18:12.43 | Merrick | Hey dudes |
| 18:13.00 | Merrick | Anyone here famliar with InnoDB foreign key constraints and the like? |
| 18:14.35 | Merrick | macnewbold: Good to see you man :) |
| 18:22.52 | thebigdog | Merrick what are you trying to do? |
| 18:23.04 | Merrick | http://gist.github.com/409193 |
| 18:23.11 | Merrick | just trying to set it up for cascading deletes |
| 18:23.18 | Merrick | but I'm getting an error 150 |
| 18:24.22 | thebigdog | Merrick: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/innodb-foreign-key-constraints.html search for 150 |
| 18:24.27 | thebigdog | it will give you info on it |
| 18:24.33 | Merrick | You are awesome |
| 18:24.35 | Merrick | thanks |
| 18:24.37 | Merrick | !!! |
| 18:24.43 | Merrick | I'll be back some conference in Orem |
| 18:24.52 | thebigdog | and set this flag SHOW ENGINE INNODB STATUS |
| 18:24.59 | thebigdog | that will give you detailed error msg |
| 18:48.55 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: is there a video from stderr's uphpu presentation anywhere? |
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| 19:02.06 | beandog | http://comics.com/matt_bors/2010-05-19/ |
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| 19:43.47 | beandog | ~friday |
| 19:43.48 | ibot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 19:44.01 | beandog | it is friday, right? |
| 19:45.08 | orsonj | better be |
| 19:55.07 | beandog | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/interactive/arrays.html |
| 19:55.08 | beandog | that is insane. |
| 19:55.25 | beandog | "PostgreSQL allows columns of a table to be defined as variable-length multidimensional arrays. Arrays of any built-in or user-defined base type can be created." |
| 19:55.54 | beandog | ~postgres++ |
| 19:57.19 | beandog | Yay, postgres |
| 19:57.25 | beandog | INSERT INTO table DEFAULT VALUES; |
| 19:57.30 | beandog | Just what I was looking for. :) |
| 20:00.59 | beandog | aww thats awesome :D |
| 20:01.01 | beandog | ~postgres++ |
| 20:04.01 | unum | my new postgres server got here today |
| 20:04.11 | unum | the back up one won't be here until monday :( |
| 20:04.17 | unum | but I'm installing centos now |
| 20:04.34 | thebigdog | unum: congrats |
| 20:04.40 | beandog | right on man |
| 20:07.12 | thebigdog | we got a killer sun box for our db server |
| 20:12.20 | beandog | thebigdog, running what |
| 20:12.23 | beandog | solaris? |
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| 20:13.24 | beandog | influx, no its possible |
| 20:13.44 | beandog | <img src='display.php?jpeg=foo'> |
| 20:13.51 | beandog | then just base64 decode the image |
| 20:13.56 | beandog | or something. |
| 20:14.11 | influx | huh |
| 20:14.20 | influx | heh |
| 20:14.37 | influx | this is the code I had, btw: http://pastebin.com/p8ywGcGZ |
| 20:14.50 | thebigdog | beandog: yes with awesome zfs |
| 20:14.56 | beandog | oh yah, header ... duh |
| 20:14.58 | beandog | that's important. |
| 20:15.13 | beandog | thebigdog, is it zippy? |
| 20:16.09 | thebigdog | the thing is huge and fast |
| 20:17.14 | beandog | right on |
| 20:17.22 | beandog | thebigdog, see how fast it can encode some x264 :D |
| 20:17.47 | stderr | http://img.waffleimages.com/d36113051cd28f713f7d4a596fabe3d7c2ba33f0/129065835192704661.jpg |
| 20:19.56 | thebigdog | beandog: only if i had the privs, but alas i have none |
| 20:20.03 | beandog | :( |
| 20:20.03 | thebigdog | that thing was pricy too |
| 20:20.18 | beandog | well then, just consider this an opportunity to do some security testing :D |
| 20:22.16 | fungus | influx: you have an echo before the header(). that will break |
| 20:22.21 | fungus | headers must be sent first |
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| 20:22.58 | fungus | Also there is no point in use the image* functions if you just want to send the data in the file. |
| 20:24.07 | fungus | influx: header('Content-type: image/jpg'); readfile($USER_FILE); |
| 20:26.16 | beandog | man, it feels like 4:30, not 2:30 |
| 20:26.17 | beandog | ~ugh |
| 20:26.18 | ibot | well, ugh is peace pipe, white man |
| 20:29.08 | Utah_Dave | dang, I used to be so good at pacman. I just scored a lame 9700 :( |
| 20:31.38 | carmony | I was thinking about hacking the DOM on that |
| 20:31.50 | carmony | to make pacman go faster :P or have more lives |
| 20:32.50 | Utah_Dave | I was poking around and it's just a sprite file that they manipulate. |
| 20:34.09 | DexterTheDragon | http://pastebin.com/enyeHeKg |
| 20:34.14 | DexterTheDragon | there's the code for ya, happy hacking |
| 20:34.57 | beandog | Well there's the problem |
| 20:35.01 | beandog | a = true |
| 20:35.30 | Utah_Dave | This variable just sounds scary: dotEatingFrightSpeed:Â 0.79, |
| 20:35.47 | Utah_Dave | I should start using variables like that. |
| 20:36.52 | beandog | var youre_going_to_die = true; |
| 20:37.09 | beandog | I wonder if the game has a kill screen |
| 20:37.46 | fungus | Let me know when you find the god mode variable |
| 20:40.44 | beandog | whats that? |
| 20:41.15 | fungus | ~google iddqd |
| 20:41.34 | beandog | ~lmgtfy |
| 20:41.34 | ibot | from memory, lmgtfy is http://lmgtfy.com/ |
| 20:41.43 | beandog | ibot, google iddqd |
| 20:41.49 | beandog | bah. |
| 20:43.11 | beandog | Okay, anyone wanna review my database abstraction class |
| 20:43.15 | beandog | or whatever you'd clal it |
| 20:43.17 | beandog | call it |
| 20:43.30 | beandog | strictly speaking, its a codeigniter database table model |
| 20:45.58 | mindjuju | DtD, you around? |
| 20:46.08 | DexterTheDragon | sorta |
| 20:46.18 | mindjuju | free tunes FROM tiesto! |
| 20:46.20 | mindjuju | http://twitter.com/tiesto |
| 20:46.29 | mindjuju | well, 1 tune i gues |
| 20:46.48 | DexterTheDragon | yeah I got it |
| 20:47.20 | mindjuju | dag, no share! |
| 20:47.26 | mindjuju | ~DtD-- |
| 20:47.29 | mindjuju | jk |
| 20:47.32 | mindjuju | DtD++ |
| 20:48.51 | beandog | http://dpaste.com/197611/ |
| 20:49.04 | beandog | needs more comments. |
| 20:52.43 | fungus | no, skip the get_* functions |
| 20:52.54 | beandog | eh? |
| 20:53.01 | fungus | assign the fields of the table to properties of the object |
| 20:53.02 | beandog | I love those |
| 20:53.10 | fungus | then use the object for accessing the data |
| 20:53.44 | beandog | fungus, whats the diff.? |
| 20:54.01 | beandog | wait, what? |
| 20:54.02 | fungus | prettier, cleaner, easy data transport |
| 20:54.05 | beandog | I think I mis understood. |
| 20:55.02 | beandog | yah, you lost me. |
| 20:55.08 | fungus | object = TableClass.find($id) |
| 20:55.21 | fungus | object.id object.name, etc |
| 20:56.24 | beandog | well I could |
| 20:56.38 | beandog | but get_* are for fetching rows of data, not single values |
| 20:57.06 | beandog | I'm just mirroring some of MDB2s better functions |
| 20:57.14 | beandog | while still using CI's db class |
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| 21:06.14 | fungus | the fancy thing with ActiveRecord, is the object access. You use static functions for retrieving new objects, and methods/properties for reading and writing the object, and perhaps an update/delete method. |
| 21:06.34 | fungus | No more dealing with dumb arrays, but smart objects |
| 21:06.59 | fungus | you can even put some business logic into the object for manipulating or transforming the data |
| 21:08.14 | beandog | yah |
| 21:08.17 | beandog | I looked at AR |
| 21:08.24 | fungus | it's really cool |
| 21:08.38 | beandog | looks nice, but I don't wanna deal with the learning curve of an MVC and a new DB class at the same time |
| 21:08.43 | fungus | you should look into AR for RoR or SQLAlchemy for Python. really neat stuff |
| 21:09.07 | fungus | understood, but once you switch everything is so pretty. |
| 21:09.08 | beandog | Yah I keep thinking it'd probably have been simpler to learn a new language at the same time |
| 21:09.16 | beandog | fungus, heh, Ill bet. :) |
| 21:09.53 | fungus | But remember the AR model has some db performance drawbacks. |
| 21:10.19 | beandog | like what |
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| 21:10.33 | fungus | joins and such |
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| 21:10.54 | fungus | Most implementations just do the join in the language layer, not the db layer |
| 21:11.09 | fungus | which means more queries than you would have done manually. |
| 21:11.43 | fungus | eg: invoice.items() returns and array of item objects. |
| 21:12.11 | fungus | this would be done with one query to create the invoice object, and another query to get the item objects |
| 21:12.39 | fungus | anyway, something to keep in mind while writing your app. |
| 21:12.53 | thebigdog | the reason this was initially done like this was do to the fact of lazy loading |
| 21:13.05 | thebigdog | so the initial object would be created |
| 21:13.30 | thebigdog | and then the items would be proxy objects |
| 21:13.39 | thebigdog | which would be loaded when called |
| 21:13.43 | fungus | right, really useful most of the time |
| 21:16.25 | fungus | lol |
| 21:42.38 | ninnypants | DtD interesting post |
| 21:43.00 | DexterTheDragon | ninnypants: thanks |
| 21:43.21 | ninnypants | how long did it take to do the conversion? |
| 21:43.55 | DexterTheDragon | 3-4 weeks of me playing around with it off and on |
| 21:44.17 | DexterTheDragon | with a lot of that either being playing with css or writing the wordpress plugins |
| 21:44.31 | beandog | http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2265909017/ |
| 21:44.32 | beandog | wtc? |
| 21:46.30 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, whatd you convert? |
| 21:46.39 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: my website |
| 21:46.46 | beandog | linkie? |
| 21:46.58 | DexterTheDragon | http://dexterthedragon.com/2010/05/stepping-into-the-future/ |
| 21:48.02 | utahcon | way to pimp your own blog DexterTheDragon |
| 21:48.13 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: ninnypants started it |
| 21:48.24 | utahcon | sure! |
| 21:48.26 | utahcon | lol |
| 21:48.38 | beandog | html5 has new field types? |
| 21:48.45 | DexterTheDragon | yep |
| 21:48.49 | beandog | cool |
| 21:49.54 | ninnypants | I've been thinking about doing html 5 on mine |
| 21:51.13 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, thats pretty intense, man |
| 21:51.14 | beandog | freek |
| 21:53.44 | beandog | Okay |
| 21:53.48 | beandog | This doesnt make sense to me |
| 21:54.16 | beandog | Why would I have the controller run a generic function to get data from the model, and then modify the data so it's accessible w/the view, when I could just run a custom query from the controller? |
| 21:54.51 | fungus | because the Model is supposed to be your data access layer |
| 21:55.05 | fungus | controller just connects the data in the models to the views |
| 21:55.36 | beandog | So if I wanted to run a custom query, I still have to modify it in the controller? |
| 21:55.48 | beandog | er ... yah |
| 21:55.50 | beandog | Im confused. |
| 21:55.52 | beandog | how is that better? |
| 21:56.04 | fungus | separation of code |
| 21:56.07 | beandog | Maybe my concept of models is wrong. |
| 21:56.34 | fungus | Generally you'll have a different model for each table or type of data you are accessing |
| 21:56.41 | fungus | not just one generic model |
| 21:56.50 | beandog | Oh |
| 21:57.02 | beandog | So like the model would have a function like ... getTableOfData |
| 21:57.08 | beandog | and it'd run the custom query? |
| 21:57.13 | fungus | no |
| 21:57.16 | beandog | no? |
| 21:57.17 | beandog | grawr. |
| 21:57.26 | fungus | like you can have a User model. |
| 21:57.47 | fungus | and you can define special functions in the model that run your custom query |
| 21:58.04 | beandog | right |
| 21:58.09 | beandog | thats what I just said .. I thought. :) |
| 21:58.11 | fungus | then it returns the data that your controller will pass to the view |
| 21:58.29 | beandog | man |
| 21:58.31 | fungus | but the custom query will remain inside the model. not passed in |
| 21:58.37 | beandog | fungus, can I hire you out for private tutoring? |
| 21:58.37 | beandog | heh |
| 21:58.51 | fungus | hehe |
| 21:59.18 | beandog | fungus, so basically, if I need a custom query ... just write a function for it in the model |
| 21:59.20 | fungus | Just try to get the concept of separation, then everything else will fall into place |
| 21:59.28 | beandog | then controller calls that, and it already has what it needs to pass onto the view |
| 21:59.34 | beandog | right? |
| 22:00.03 | beandog | fungus, yah, its hard to envision when I'm the only one with access to this thing, so it seems strange to wall stuff off |
| 22:00.05 | fungus | and example might be Users.get_admins() |
| 22:00.30 | beandog | Ah okay, I think it just clicked |
| 22:00.35 | beandog | basically each one is a wall of obfuscation |
| 22:00.37 | fungus | it may return an array of objects or whatever. then the controller will take the return value and pass it to the view |
| 22:00.44 | beandog | None of them needs to know what is behind the curtain |
| 22:00.46 | beandog | just needs the data |
| 22:00.47 | fungus | Yes. |
| 22:00.57 | fungus | Models is data, and data/business logic |
| 22:01.10 | beandog | awesome \o/ |
| 22:01.11 | fungus | Controllers control models and views |
| 22:01.17 | fungus | and views are only presentation |
| 22:01.49 | beandog | okay |
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| 22:12.46 | beandog | thx fungus |
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| 22:15.01 | beandog | http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/56375 |
| 22:15.07 | beandog | more pacman |
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| 22:17.37 | mgeary | hey, anyone here use an unlocked iphone? |
| 22:19.13 | fungus | nope, but i'm going to jailbreak my iPad as soon as I get home. |
| 22:20.23 | beandog | http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/z_Personal/Belzman/ifail.widec.jpg |
| 22:20.46 | fungus | lol, WIN! |
| 22:28.53 | mgeary | i'd love to be able to use a prepaid sim card while i'm here in Germany |
| 22:29.11 | mgeary | but i'm too scared to use something like redsn0w |
| 22:31.21 | fungus | ah right. Unlocking is even more scary than a simple jailbreak |
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| 22:36.12 | influx | ... |
| 22:36.32 | influx | I want to walk up to that man and take his laptop from him. |
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