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| 15:51.41 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 15:51.56 | beandog | mindjuju, learning code igniter |
| 15:52.24 | mindjuju | sounds like fun |
| 15:52.29 | beandog | behind at work, out of cash, still single, and just had a root canal |
| 15:52.31 | beandog | and thats about it. |
| 15:52.44 | beandog | ~wednesday |
| 15:52.44 | ibot | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
| 15:52.56 | beandog | u? |
| 15:53.01 | mindjuju | out of cash? i thought you were mr $$ |
| 15:53.18 | beandog | see #4 ^^ |
| 15:53.20 | beandog | thats why |
| 15:53.21 | beandog | :( |
| 15:53.31 | mindjuju | about the same -single -rootCanal |
| 15:53.51 | beandog | on the plus side, Im having fun with Isaiah :D |
| 15:54.02 | beandog | and CI is freeking awesome. |
| 15:54.12 | mindjuju | did you see my tron post from yesterday? |
| 15:54.18 | beandog | mindjuju, no, linkie? |
| 15:54.31 | mindjuju | hang on, i find it again |
| 15:54.34 | beandog | kk |
| 15:55.02 | mindjuju | first, 100% no rick roll |
| 15:55.09 | mindjuju | 2nd, turn down speaker a little, audio is loud |
| 15:55.13 | mindjuju | here you go |
| 15:55.13 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ZMnYTIDeM |
| 15:55.18 | mindjuju | DtD, you around? |
| 15:55.37 | beandog | where are they? |
| 15:55.38 | mindjuju | that link i postedf or beandog, it has a song from Daft Punk who is doing the soundtrack for Tron2 |
| 15:55.45 | mindjuju | at some kind of tron2 expo |
| 15:56.00 | mindjuju | wait to you see the finale |
| 15:56.03 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I want to hear the song without all the distractions and distortions. |
| 15:56.19 | mindjuju | yeah, it would sound 100x better |
| 15:56.33 | beandog | thats cool |
| 15:56.37 | beandog | Im pretty excited for the movie |
| 15:56.39 | mindjuju | the finale, yeah |
| 15:56.50 | mindjuju | i love that it rotates so you can see |
| 15:57.44 | beandog | thtas intresting. |
| 15:58.19 | mindjuju | the trailers for th emove loko awesome, the music is Daft Punk, this has got to be best thing since Fish +Chips & vinegar |
| 15:58.42 | beandog | heh |
| 15:58.45 | beandog | thats cool |
| 15:58.48 | beandog | ~mindjuju++ |
| 15:59.04 | mindjuju | Sunsparc - looky what i found! |
| 15:59.06 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrBWPAGcrDs |
| 15:59.15 | mindjuju | 100% no rick roll guarantee |
| 15:59.37 | mgeary | bah, says i |
| 15:59.40 | beandog | I should probably get me a poster before its too late |
| 15:59.51 | SunSparc | ~mindjuju++ |
| 15:59.53 | mindjuju | poster? |
| 16:00.01 | mindjuju | where you buying a poster from? |
| 16:00.05 | mgeary | beandog: if you're liking CI, you ought to (re)consider that job opening i mentioned a bit ago... |
| 16:00.13 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Art-Tron-Foreword-Lisberger-Kosinski/dp/1423131495/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274284800&sr=8-1 |
| 16:00.28 | beandog | mgeary, well Im just starting on it, writing my first code in it this week |
| 16:01.03 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Tron-Flynns-Arcade-T-Shirt-XX-Large/dp/B002SR6CT6/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1274284800&sr=8-6 |
| 16:01.03 | beandog | wow |
| 16:01.09 | mgeary | hey, fellow SVN users, i had a commit going, and it sent some stuff, but then it timed out. now when i try to commit again, it's saying /path/to/file already exists |
| 16:01.10 | beandog | *my* TRON t-shirt is soooooooo much cooler. |
| 16:03.33 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: I don't think beandog wants to move to Germany! :) |
| 16:03.40 | beandog | oh dude |
| 16:03.46 | beandog | I'd move to Europe in a heartbeat |
| 16:04.32 | SunSparc | mindjuju: It is a cool song, though not their best. It sound more like it was made to just be background music. |
| 16:04.36 | beandog | mindjuju, good find man |
| 16:06.19 | beandog | http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/fallingyou-human/ |
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| 16:06.40 | beandog | you can listen to the whole album on there |
| 16:06.43 | beandog | magnatune++ |
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| 16:12.19 | supernovia | ~sephatine++ |
| 16:12.29 | supernovia | for sharing the granola :) |
| 16:12.37 | sephatine | :) |
| 16:13.36 | supernovia | beandog, what's this magnitude thing? I gotta pick out some music & get my groove on |
| 16:13.55 | beandog | supernovia, record label for indie music bands |
| 16:14.04 | beandog | they let you stream / listen to all their albums for free |
| 16:14.08 | supernovia | Oh, nice |
| 16:14.12 | beandog | A *lot* of the albums are licnesed CC |
| 16:14.22 | supernovia | any recommendations? |
| 16:14.23 | beandog | So you can give em away |
| 16:14.29 | beandog | Yah |
| 16:14.47 | beandog | but my music tastes are mostly ambient |
| 16:14.58 | beandog | go check out Human, Kirsty Hawkshaw and uh |
| 16:14.59 | supernovia | super cool on the CC music |
| 16:15.00 | beandog | Beth Quist |
| 16:15.13 | supernovia | Oh yeah, beandog and his ambient music, I remember ;-) |
| 16:15.25 | beandog | Beth Quist is *amazing* vocals |
| 16:16.10 | beandog | http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/quist-silver/ |
| 16:16.10 | supernovia | Checking her out. Thanks beandog :) |
| 16:16.10 | DexterTheDragon | http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/skin-angels/ |
| 16:16.29 | beandog | Beth Quist is a multi-instrumentalist, vocalist, and composer, who began playing piano at age 2. Her early musical influences were "Batman," "Star Trek," and "Dr. Zhivago." |
| 16:16.32 | supernovia | thanks DTD. I'll check that one next |
| 16:16.38 | beandog | How can that not spark your interest? :) |
| 16:16.42 | supernovia | Niiice! |
| 16:16.56 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, ah thanks |
| 16:17.49 | beandog | http://www.last.fm/user/beandog76 |
| 16:18.12 | beandog | that should keep you busy |
| 16:18.26 | beandog | oh yah, Falling You, another great magnatune artist |
| 16:22.05 | beandog | and donuts to trouble the mind |
| 16:22.36 | DexterTheDragon | google just open sourced VP8 |
| 16:22.41 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: ^^ |
| 16:25.54 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, rly? |
| 16:25.55 | beandog | Oh man |
| 16:25.59 | beandog | Thats gonna change the game field |
| 16:26.00 | beandog | :D |
| 16:27.08 | beandog | http://www.webmproject.org/ |
| 16:27.10 | beandog | that? |
| 16:27.22 | DexterTheDragon | yep |
| 16:27.32 | beandog | # FFmpeg patches |
| 16:27.34 | beandog | \o/ |
| 16:27.37 | Utah_Dave | man, I wish I had paid more attention in my stats classes. |
| 16:27.45 | beandog | Google has already been sending patches back to ffmpeg |
| 16:27.51 | beandog | and theyve been applied |
| 16:27.55 | beandog | thats just aswesomeness. |
| 16:28.12 | beandog | The irony, of course, is that one of the main ffmpeg devs works for Adobe |
| 16:28.54 | beandog | Whats Great About WebM |
| 16:28.54 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.54 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.54 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.54 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.06 | beandog | They forgot "dumb name" |
| 16:29.14 | beandog | Oh well |
| 16:29.57 | beandog | http://www.webmproject.org/tools/ |
| 16:29.58 | supernovia | so beandog this totally is for the troubled mind, lol |
| 16:29.59 | beandog | wow, nice |
| 16:30.01 | mindjuju | DtD, that's awesome! |
| 16:30.22 | mindjuju | supernovia, there are actually 2 soundtracks for batman |
| 16:30.28 | mindjuju | prince and danny elfman |
| 16:30.34 | supernovia | <- loves elfman |
| 16:30.35 | mindjuju | which did you listen to? |
| 16:30.37 | beandog | batman begins soundtrack is the best evar. |
| 16:30.47 | mindjuju | ^5 supernovia |
| 16:30.51 | mindjuju | love elfman music |
| 16:30.52 | supernovia | ^5 back at ya |
| 16:30.55 | mindjuju | i can spot it anywhere |
| 16:30.58 | supernovia | me too |
| 16:31.05 | beandog | really? |
| 16:31.06 | supernovia | and I can spot the wannabe elfmans too |
| 16:31.10 | beandog | Id like to put that to the blind test. |
| 16:31.17 | supernovia | bring it, beandog |
| 16:31.19 | mindjuju | beandog too funny |
| 16:31.32 | mindjuju | oh wait, i forgot, supernovia was in band |
| 16:31.40 | supernovia | Pff. |
| 16:31.46 | herlo | major google io discussion going on in #utos :) |
| 16:32.03 | mindjuju | lot's of HS bands do elfman music |
| 16:32.14 | supernovia | ours didn't, unfortunately |
| 16:32.31 | supernovia | LOL |
| 16:32.45 | supernovia | okay, I just figured out why this music was so . um. mind-troubling |
| 16:32.57 | supernovia | I'd clicked on both of your links, played the first - didn't realize the second would auto-play |
| 16:33.17 | mindjuju | DtD, is it just me or is this page shifted to the left like 50px ? |
| 16:33.31 | mindjuju | http://www.webmproject.org/ |
| 16:33.48 | DexterTheDragon | looks fine to me |
| 16:33.55 | utahcon | me too |
| 16:34.08 | beandog | http://twitter.com/googleio |
| 16:34.11 | mindjuju | k, i'm cracking it open in IE, cause in chrome and FF it's off by 50 |
| 16:35.15 | mindjuju | OH SNAP! |
| 16:35.16 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/GoogleDevelopers |
| 16:35.29 | DexterTheDragon | yeah thats what we're watching |
| 16:35.32 | utahcon | :d |
| 16:35.55 | utahcon | Kevin Lynch should say about HTML5 -- It sucks don't use it... it breaks flash :D |
| 16:38.35 | macnewbold | breaks flash? Even better! |
| 16:40.47 | beandog | whats he using? |
| 16:40.49 | beandog | windows 7? |
| 16:40.57 | utahcon | beandog: yepper |
| 16:41.00 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 16:41.14 | beandog | I wanna see a random windows system message popup |
| 16:41.31 | DexterTheDragon | chrome crashed earlier |
| 16:41.39 | beandog | lol, really? |
| 16:41.39 | utahcon | ok </adobe ads> |
| 16:41.49 | utahcon | Chrome is experimental |
| 16:41.51 | utahcon | lol |
| 16:41.57 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: what OS was it on? |
| 16:42.09 | DexterTheDragon | they're just showing windows |
| 16:42.23 | beandog | what is this guy demoing? |
| 16:42.30 | utahcon | beandog: exactly |
| 16:42.38 | beandog | *golf clap* |
| 16:42.40 | utahcon | this has nothing to do with Web Standards or Google |
| 16:42.42 | utahcon | damnit! |
| 16:42.46 | DexterTheDragon | its html5 |
| 16:42.50 | utahcon | meh |
| 16:43.00 | utahcon | it was more CSS3 than HTML5 |
| 16:43.23 | beandog | Hmm |
| 16:43.25 | DexterTheDragon | no cause html5 stands for everything |
| 16:43.33 | beandog | Flash is gonna try and be a new media player |
| 16:43.36 | beandog | I can see it now. |
| 16:43.57 | beandog | boy that guy didnt even break a sweat |
| 16:44.12 | utahcon | hard to find web apps? WTF? |
| 16:44.19 | beandog | heh |
| 16:44.27 | utahcon | isn't that what Google is for? |
| 16:44.34 | beandog | windows needs a package manager. |
| 16:44.40 | beandog | badly. |
| 16:44.40 | utahcon | did he just admit that Google failed? |
| 16:44.57 | beandog | utahcon, well they had Adobe present |
| 16:45.01 | utahcon | lol |
| 16:45.02 | beandog | maybe we'll have a Microsoft shill next |
| 16:45.31 | beandog | Okay this talk is more boring than work. |
| 16:45.43 | utahcon | 2nd is monetization... someone needs to look at his priorities again |
| 16:45.46 | utahcon | #1 Money |
| 16:45.48 | utahcon | #2 Users |
| 16:45.51 | beandog | someone ping me if its gets interesting. |
| 16:47.10 | utahcon | utah is quite bare |
| 16:47.13 | mindjuju | uh oh, live feed from twitter, that can be dangerous |
| 16:47.20 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:47.21 | beandog | http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/05/firefox-youtube-and-webm/ |
| 16:47.32 | beandog | Wait a minute |
| 16:47.36 | beandog | a *subset* of matroska?? |
| 16:47.43 | beandog | That sounds scary. |
| 16:48.25 | mindjuju | LOVE plants v zombies |
| 16:48.36 | mindjuju | no way, in the broser? |
| 16:48.45 | utahcon | mindjuju: flash |
| 16:48.52 | beandog | Maybe they just mean it won't support all the stuff MKV does. |
| 16:49.19 | mindjuju | that's funny, he knows his crowd |
| 16:49.50 | beandog | http://matroska.org/news/webm-matroska.html |
| 16:50.08 | mindjuju | i played this game with corban just the other day |
| 16:50.09 | beandog | "It is a subset of Matroska with only the necessary features required for video (and audio) to play over the web." |
| 16:50.13 | beandog | that answers that question |
| 16:50.35 | beandog | Holy crap |
| 16:50.39 | beandog | These guys are on top of their game |
| 16:50.44 | beandog | Our tools, like mkvalidator and mkclean, already support webm files; the new version of Haali's Media Splitter can handle webm files; and support in mkvtoolnix has already been added to the next release. |
| 16:50.45 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:51.02 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 16:51.04 | beandog | The Matroska design is well suited for the web and an ever more strict version ensures a wide and consistent support in the whole web and hardware industry. |
| 16:51.08 | beandog | Oh man .. I can only hope |
| 16:52.18 | utahcon | maybe this guy should have brought some notes with him |
| 16:52.54 | mindjuju | they are going for the personable feel, no note cards |
| 16:53.03 | mindjuju | that's why suit coat, no tie and open collar |
| 16:53.33 | mindjuju | the sort of "i'm big cheese" but i'm relaxed and you can trust me |
| 16:53.35 | utahcon | magazines online... hmmm |
| 16:53.39 | utahcon | not sure we can do that.. |
| 16:53.45 | beandog | meh |
| 16:53.47 | mindjuju | but you're right, he should have practieced, he's rough |
| 16:54.02 | macnewbold | ~mkv |
| 16:54.07 | macnewbold | ~wiki mkv |
| 16:54.15 | macnewbold | ~seen ibot |
| 16:54.17 | ibot | ibot is currently on #gsoc (1d 7h 58m 57s) #bzflag (1d 7h 58m 57s) ##bspress (1d 7h 58m 57s) #brlcad (1d 7h 58m 57s) #handhelds (1d 7h 58m 57s) #utah (1d 7h 58m 57s) #oe (1d 7h 58m 57s) #zaurus (1d 7h 58m 57s) #gllug (1d 7h 58m 57s) #pillbox (1d 7h 58m 57s) #arm-netbook (1d 7h 58m 57s) #handhelds-gpe (1d 7h 58m 57s) #uphpu (1d 7h 58m 57s) #openzaurus ... |
| 16:54.36 | beandog | macnewbold, mkv = container format (think mp4, wmv, avi) |
| 16:54.42 | beandog | or mov |
| 16:54.43 | macnewbold | interesting |
| 16:54.45 | beandog | or mpg |
| 16:54.50 | supernovia | this guy doesn't know his audience as well, methinks |
| 16:54.51 | beandog | only its cooler than all of em |
| 16:54.53 | macnewbold | what does it bring that the others dont? |
| 16:54.59 | beandog | macnewbold, open specs |
| 16:55.10 | beandog | macnewbold, supports far more formats, audio, video, subtitles |
| 16:55.21 | beandog | macnewbold, can handle mutiple streams (of all types) |
| 16:55.25 | mindjuju | supernovia, you're right on that |
| 16:55.26 | beandog | there are *tons* of features |
| 16:55.30 | beandog | that you'd never find in the others |
| 16:55.50 | supernovia | shaq. bah. |
| 16:55.58 | beandog | I gotta admit, the pics are nice |
| 16:55.58 | utahcon | is this SI done in HTML5? |
| 16:56.19 | utahcon | huh huh... he said retard |
| 16:56.35 | mindjuju | they should have done something more to geek's liking like robot wars, or *ahem* a certain yearly issue of SI |
| 16:56.49 | utahcon | mindjuju: The NFL Draft issue? |
| 16:56.51 | utahcon | ;) |
| 16:56.59 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:57.01 | utahcon | so not interested in this |
| 16:57.11 | beandog | utahcon, agreed |
| 16:57.15 | mindjuju | yeah, most geeks no likey the psorts, |
| 16:57.18 | mindjuju | except for sunsparc |
| 16:57.21 | utahcon | "a number of choices" -- ie -- I have no idea what those logos mean |
| 16:57.42 | utahcon | right... pimp your ads |
| 16:57.58 | utahcon | cause it's the net, we will skip them |
| 16:58.51 | mgeary | hey folks, so i'm joining a table to itself, and i'm getting twice as many results as i want. One with A/B and another with B/A. Anyone know of a trick to just get the A/B rows? |
| 16:58.55 | supernovia | b/c now people pick me for their team sooner :-p |
| 16:59.07 | utahcon | mgeary: the join |
| 16:59.26 | utahcon | influx: warball is not allowed in schools anymore |
| 16:59.40 | supernovia | mgeary what kind of join are you using |
| 16:59.48 | mgeary | my join is currently: ""from |
| 16:59.48 | mgeary | structure_search_structure a INNER JOIN structure_search_structure b ON (a.structure_name = b.structure_name AND a.id != b.id)"" |
| 17:00.23 | supernovia | try a left join? |
| 17:00.43 | utahcon | "we can charge for it" -- It drives me nuts that paid media bombards me with ads... |
| 17:00.51 | utahcon | if I pay to see your media... don't advertise to me |
| 17:01.00 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Yeah, I likey me some psorts. I love to psort arrays. |
| 17:01.10 | mindjuju | mgeary, sounds like a great job for subquery! |
| 17:01.24 | mindjuju | don't tell macnewbold, he no likey subquery |
| 17:02.21 | utahcon | Google Wave update. |
| 17:02.26 | utahcon | $10 says it still is broken. |
| 17:03.03 | mindjuju | that mic looks like a HUGE pimple when they turn to side |
| 17:03.07 | supernovia | psh. |
| 17:03.07 | DexterTheDragon | there's still people using wave? |
| 17:03.22 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: apparently |
| 17:03.36 | utahcon | and now it's open |
| 17:03.39 | utahcon | so I am done with it |
| 17:04.55 | beandog | wave? |
| 17:05.02 | DexterTheDragon | ~wave beandog |
| 17:05.03 | ibot | Bye, beandog |
| 17:05.09 | beandog | wow |
| 17:05.12 | beandog | that does look like a pimple |
| 17:05.21 | utahcon | wave is not available in my Gapps yet |
| 17:05.22 | beandog | what is wave? |
| 17:05.38 | mindjuju | isn't that funny beandog |
| 17:05.58 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: its like irc meets gmail |
| 17:06.00 | beandog | why is he running in incognito mode? |
| 17:06.20 | utahcon | beandog: so his wife doesn't see what he does for a living |
| 17:06.25 | beandog | lol |
| 17:06.50 | utahcon | robots can live anywhere = more spam! |
| 17:06.58 | beandog | I was thinking the *exact* same thing. |
| 17:07.31 | supernovia | same here. Lovely. |
| 17:07.50 | beandog | I think theyre trying to make it popular |
| 17:07.52 | mindjuju | sadly, i tuned out, but have the video running |
| 17:07.58 | beandog | b/c I dont think anyone uses it |
| 17:08.07 | utahcon | I should probably tune out and get back to work |
| 17:08.16 | mindjuju | instead, i'm watching video of this AWESOME mod |
| 17:08.18 | beandog | you guys keep making me tune back in |
| 17:08.20 | mindjuju | TF2 + Portal |
| 17:08.21 | mindjuju | http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/17/team-fortress-2-portal-gun-team-portress/ |
| 17:08.31 | influx | utahcon: It's not?! :((((9 |
| 17:08.31 | mindjuju | absolutely amazing to watch the game play |
| 17:08.41 | influx | s/:(((((/:((((9/ |
| 17:08.58 | beandog | that background is kinda annoying |
| 17:09.12 | utahcon | All of Google IO should be broadcast live |
| 17:09.27 | beandog | its not? |
| 17:09.33 | utahcon | I think only the keynote is |
| 17:09.36 | utahcon | I could be wrong |
| 17:09.36 | beandog | oh lame |
| 17:09.44 | beandog | that was dumb |
| 17:10.22 | mindjuju | what was dumb? |
| 17:10.27 | beandog | nothing |
| 17:11.04 | influx | utahcon: Did someone get *hurt* playing Warball? |
| 17:11.21 | mindjuju | i want a whopper |
| 17:11.24 | utahcon | IDK -- I just know they aren't allowed to play it anymore and it makes me mad |
| 17:11.32 | beandog | whtas warball? |
| 17:11.40 | utahcon | beandog: dodgeball with better rules |
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| 17:11.47 | beandog | utahcon, better rules? |
| 17:11.51 | beandog | as in you can punch people in the face? |
| 17:11.56 | mindjuju | you can have bricks in the ball |
| 17:11.59 | utahcon | beandog: warball but punchball |
| 17:12.00 | beandog | niiiice |
| 17:12.26 | utahcon | I need a web app to manage all my web apps |
| 17:12.40 | beandog | Im gonna start calling them wappies |
| 17:13.16 | utahcon | I think of web apps as "webps" (pronounced "webs") that make up the inter-webs |
| 17:13.40 | beandog | I think he just hit 90% of them |
| 17:14.00 | mindjuju | holy ! |
| 17:14.03 | beandog | googles working w/vmware??? |
| 17:14.06 | utahcon | I love the intro music for Google IO this year |
| 17:14.07 | mindjuju | he looks like Al from home improvement! |
| 17:14.14 | utahcon | beandog: Google <3 VMWare |
| 17:14.18 | utahcon | read!!! |
| 17:14.21 | beandog | utahcon, oh yar? |
| 17:14.27 | beandog | wow he has a cool accent |
| 17:15.00 | beandog | what is that little thing they are all holding |
| 17:15.11 | utahcon | mindjuju: he does look like Richard Karn |
| 17:15.37 | mindjuju | he's holding either a button that causes all VMs in the world to blow up, or a slide advancer |
| 17:15.38 | influx | I remember playing a variation on dodgeball that involved bowling pins. |
| 17:15.49 | mindjuju | hard to tell whcih |
| 17:17.22 | utahcon | mindjuju: does it have a large plunger? |
| 17:17.45 | mindjuju | the plunger portion is in a VM |
| 17:19.16 | utahcon | was that a maniacal laugh? |
| 17:35.10 | mindjuju | loks like i didn't miss anything |
| 17:36.16 | mindjuju | i like the logo |
| 17:39.55 | mindjuju | wow, sorenson just announced support for vp8 codec |
| 17:41.20 | TuxToaster | heh, customer just forwarded us a list from their bank complaining that our ecommerce site was missing all kinds of stuff |
| 17:41.42 | TuxToaster | like text to ensure that the user understands they can complete the purchase or cancel, etc. |
| 17:41.55 | TuxToaster | turns out they never even looked at the ecommerce site, they were only looking at the customer's website. |
| 17:42.16 | TuxToaster | you would think the fact that the site wasn't actually selling anaything would be the first clue.... |
| 17:45.53 | supernovia | good times |
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| 17:52.01 | ninnypants | influx: pin guard? |
| 17:58.15 | influx | murr? |
| 17:58.22 | influx | ninnypants: wut |
| 17:59.11 | influx | oh |
| 17:59.21 | influx | Maybe. I don't remember what we called it, but yeah. |
| 18:00.08 | influx | There were two conditions, either would win the game: Take everyone out or knock the pin down. |
| 18:00.12 | influx | pin(s) |
| 18:05.39 | mindjuju | i, for one, welcome the google overlords |
| 18:06.07 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2010/05/19/video-premiere-tiesto-vs-diplo-cmon/ |
| 18:09.04 | mindjuju | that's quality stuff! |
| 18:10.43 | mindjuju | any drupal guys in here? |
| 18:15.05 | influx | my name is kerpal |
| 18:15.14 | influx | your daughter kicked my dog! |
| 18:15.22 | SunSparc | lol |
| 18:20.06 | SunSparc | influx: now I have to watch that. |
| 18:20.55 | SunSparc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaWSck1_ZQQ |
| 18:21.50 | orsonj | the chromium daily build I just downloaded didn't work for youtube |
| 18:22.03 | influx | :D |
| 18:24.45 | mindjuju | sunsparc, what is this? |
| 18:25.18 | SunSparc | mindjuju: old skool prank call that many people put to video. I think it was from the 90's. |
| 18:25.45 | SunSparc | f-bomb warning |
| 18:26.04 | SunSparc | forgot about that. |
| 18:26.25 | beandog | bombs away! |
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| 18:50.08 | beandog | Okay, so in my little MVC thingie |
| 18:50.26 | beandog | Where would you run queries that populate the view? |
| 18:50.30 | beandog | in the view itself, or the controller? |
| 18:51.16 | mindjuju | the view, isn't that a show with bawbwa walters? |
| 18:51.25 | beandog | lol |
| 19:02.54 | influx | Nice! |
| 19:02.57 | influx | What'd you nom? |
| 19:03.18 | supernovia | I had two tacos; one hard-shell & one with a fat homemade tortilla |
| 19:03.25 | supernovia | and some awesome peruvian cake |
| 19:03.28 | influx | Oooh. |
| 19:03.40 | supernovia | and some beans as well :) |
| 19:03.48 | influx | Heh. |
| 19:04.10 | supernovia | people here brought it all in and then had a $5 potluck to help someone's daugher with her MS. |
| 19:04.15 | supernovia | this is a really great company :) |
| 19:05.06 | cedwards | pop quiz (read: I need some tips) |
| 19:05.21 | influx | That's really nice of them. :D |
| 19:05.31 | influx | cedwards: reboot |
| 19:05.32 | cedwards | I have a small, static, site. To be lazy I moved the header into an include and the footer into an include. |
| 19:05.52 | cedwards | except for the include() statements, the entire site is plain HTML. |
| 19:05.55 | influx | s/smart/static/ |
| 19:06.22 | supernovia | I was thinking s/lazy/smart/ |
| 19:06.30 | supernovia | ok cedwards |
| 19:06.32 | influx | derp |
| 19:06.42 | influx | ~supernovia++ |
| 19:06.50 | supernovia | :-D |
| 19:06.53 | cedwards | what I've run into though, is that my stylesheet has an id="current" that can apply to the header navigation. |
| 19:07.23 | cedwards | but if I've included the single header into each, the id="current" is then static and doesn't update depending on the actual page it's on. |
| 19:08.03 | cedwards | what is the cleanest way to update id="current" (just highlights the current page in the header nav) without breaking apart what I've centralized via include() ? |
| 19:08.07 | influx | Am I correct in assuming you're calling different stylesheets for each page? |
| 19:08.46 | cedwards | stylesheet is called once, in the header include(). |
| 19:09.06 | influx | Pastebin? |
| 19:09.53 | cedwards | http://pastebin.com/CVVn9KTk |
| 19:10.28 | cedwards | that's the end-result. from 1-20 are in the include('header.inc.php') |
| 19:10.54 | cedwards | what I'm referring to is on 30: <li id="current">... |
| 19:12.05 | influx | Sorry. One more thing: Mind if I look at the .css as well? |
| 19:13.08 | cedwards | http://pastebin.com/LnjDiTkG |
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| 19:13.30 | cedwards | disclaimer: this is all template stuff that I'm customizing. I didn't write this. |
| 19:14.27 | influx | Oh. I know of Eric Meyer. |
| 19:14.30 | influx | K. |
| 19:14.39 | cedwards | the original template is here - http://www.styleshout.com/templates/preview/KeepItSimple11/index.html |
| 19:14.58 | cedwards | you'll notice how the header nav graphic changes between 'home' and 'style demo' |
| 19:15.07 | unum | s5 |
| 19:15.25 | cedwards | that's what I'm aiming at, cleanly, while still being able to centralize the header. |
| 19:16.49 | cedwards | I did come up with one method that worked, but it's much uglier and less maintainable than just not include()'ing the header at all. |
| 19:16.57 | influx | I see now. |
| 19:17.26 | influx | So each section's relevant li has an id of current? |
| 19:17.56 | influx | say I'm in the faq section, the <li> for that item in that section only will have id="current" ? |
| 19:18.08 | cedwards | right. |
| 19:18.22 | cedwards | whichever page you navigate to should toggle the li id="current" |
| 19:18.49 | influx | Strange. I see no reason why it should be malfunctioning. |
| 19:18.54 | influx | :\ |
| 19:19.33 | cedwards | well, it's not functioning because that section is being included and it's coded as li current for Home. |
| 19:19.47 | cedwards | in other words, I don't know how to make it toggle depending on the page. |
| 19:20.03 | influx | Oh. |
| 19:20.30 | influx | I'm sorry. I thought only lines 1-20 were in header.inc.php |
| 19:21.01 | cedwards | ohh, my bad. 41 is where the include() ends |
| 19:21.05 | cedwards | 42 rather. |
| 19:21.09 | cedwards | (erg! type much?!) |
| 19:22.54 | cedwards | the only way I can think of to check for the current URL is $_SERVER["PHP_SELF"], and if it matches foo, add the li current tag. |
| 19:23.00 | cedwards | there's got to be a cleaner way though.. |
| 19:24.19 | influx | bbiab |
| 19:24.31 | influx | got to wrap up a work task |
| 19:24.34 | supernovia | did ya'll sort it out? |
| 19:24.38 | cedwards | nope |
| 19:24.40 | influx | not yet, soup |
| 19:25.04 | supernovia | pages are reloading, yes? |
| 19:25.14 | supernovia | between clicks, I mean |
| 19:25.23 | cedwards | everything works fine, sure. |
| 19:25.42 | cedwards | supernovia: best way to explain it is to visit the styleshout.com template I linked above. |
| 19:25.45 | supernovia | I just mean that's how you're going about it (not looking for a tabby nav type thing like this - which is actually what I'm working on) |
| 19:25.56 | supernovia | http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/examples/tabs/#tab1 |
| 19:26.08 | cedwards | supernovia: click 'home' or 'style demo' and you see how the header graphic moves. |
| 19:26.46 | supernovia | sure, well you could use your php to tell what page you're on and then add a class to your nav element for the current page, right? |
| 19:27.14 | cedwards | that's what I've tried, and it worked, but it seemed ugly. |
| 19:27.21 | cedwards | was hoping for a cleaner suggestion. |
| 19:28.07 | supernovia | well, think of it this way |
| 19:28.18 | supernovia | syntax aside, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:28.38 | supernovia | a - change the active tab depending on which page you're on, right? |
| 19:28.49 | cedwards | just make it more obvious what page you're on by updating the tab. |
| 19:28.54 | mindjuju | beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26W0zdJ1fds |
| 19:30.07 | supernovia | in fact⦠! I'm gonna make me some t-shirts I think :-D |
| 19:31.00 | supernovia | cedwards how is the code going to know when you're on a different page? |
| 19:31.19 | supernovia | there are a number of ways to go about it, right? |
| 19:31.57 | supernovia | anyone want to make tron t-shirts with me? (I know where to buy some awesome blue glow-in-the-dark paint) |
| 19:31.57 | cedwards | the only one that is coming to mind is _SERVER["PHP_SELF"] tbh |
| 19:33.28 | supernovia | well, anyway, basically you just want to figure out how you're differentiating and then use that in your css |
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| 19:34.54 | mgeary | beandog: ping |
| 19:35.09 | ninnypants | supernovia: http://sharkrobot.com/t-shirts/users-wanted |
| 19:35.52 | supernovia | nice, ninnypants |
| 19:35.57 | supernovia | I'm gonna get this: http://glowinc.com/detail.aspx?ID=4 |
| 19:36.23 | supernovia | figure out how to do some cool designs on shirts and make em for me & my kiddos |
| 19:36.43 | ninnypants | I have access to a screen press |
| 19:37.09 | supernovia | ooh la |
| 19:37.24 | supernovia | I don't know whether this would screen well (it's a bit like nail polish really) |
| 19:37.27 | influx | oo |
| 19:37.35 | supernovia | (with big chunky particles in it too) |
| 19:37.53 | supernovia | I painted my toenails kryptonite green for Superman. that was a sad day. |
| 19:38.22 | supernovia | wonder if this would go through the screen⦠hmmm |
| 19:39.05 | ninnypants | you can buy glow in the dark paint for screening |
| 19:39.07 | influx | Why was that a sad day? |
| 19:39.13 | supernovia | superman sucked |
| 19:39.40 | supernovia | true, ninnypants, but blue GID for screening? |
| 19:39.41 | mindjuju | the superman reboot or the other one? |
| 19:39.46 | supernovia | the newish one that sucked |
| 19:40.01 | mindjuju | ah, never saw it, i was afraid of massive suckage |
| 19:40.11 | supernovia | where "clark kent" is sitting in the hospital w. glasses off and no one even recognizes him |
| 19:40.14 | mindjuju | that's also the reason why i've never seen grumpIER old men |
| 19:40.23 | mindjuju | the first one is SO good, i'm afraid of any sequel |
| 19:40.45 | influx | Does that mean you're afraid of having more kids? |
| 19:40.52 | influx | badmp bmp bmp |
| 19:41.04 | mindjuju | too funny influx |
| 19:42.38 | ninnypants | supernovia: I woldn't be supprized. There's places that will match any pantone you give them |
| 19:42.55 | supernovia | but this -glows- blue |
| 19:43.16 | supernovia | most t-shirt GID paint has tinier particles that don't hold a charge very well |
| 19:44.20 | supernovia | I happen to know this stuff rocks on t-shirts though, b/c I spilled some on myself while doing constellations on my kids' ceiling |
| 19:44.20 | cedwards | well this works, but it feels.. inefficient: http://pastebin.com/XCYuj8Ya |
| 19:44.20 | supernovia | cedwards why not make a current class isntead |
| 19:44.20 | supernovia | you can use more than one class in an li |
| 19:44.26 | supernovia | or in anything really |
| 19:44.54 | supernovia | oh and how you're using it it wouldn't really matter anyway |
| 19:45.11 | cedwards | I am super n00b with css |
| 19:45.34 | supernovia | well, why not put your logic into each piece of the list there? |
| 19:46.05 | supernovia | so do the check on each list item |
| 19:46.30 | supernovia | or make a little process to check them so you've got even less clunky code |
| 19:47.15 | cedwards | and I've done more PHP than css by a loooong shot, and even that isn't a lot. |
| 19:48.16 | ninnypants | cedwards: you could use a var above your include to determin which page is the current page |
| 19:48.39 | supernovia | yeah I've done that with page titles on a simple header/footer site â that'd work too |
| 19:50.07 | cedwards | that's pretty much all this site is |
| 19:50.41 | supernovia | so like $page='download' and then add an in-header css that determines your $page class |
| 19:50.55 | supernovia | or rather that styles your page class |
| 19:51.14 | cedwards | there you go with your fancy css again, getting me all confused ;{) |
| 19:51.16 | supernovia | so the css line in the header will change with each different page |
| 19:51.34 | supernovia | well, it'd print in the header like so : |
| 19:51.54 | supernovia | .download { background-image: url(whatever.png); } |
| 19:52.09 | supernovia | but when you went to the bugs page, it'd be .bugs instead. make sense? |
| 19:54.24 | supernovia | ninnypants re the t-shirts I'm going to check with that co & see if people have successfully screen-printed with the stuff |
| 19:54.50 | supernovia | that would be super rad if it'd work |
| 19:55.15 | supernovia | their paint also lasts quite a while (probably an hour or so for the blue) |
| 19:55.37 | supernovia | s/paint/paint's charge/ |
| 19:57.29 | beandog | mindjuju, oh boy |
| 19:57.41 | mindjuju | i scared |
| 19:57.47 | mindjuju | look at the bottom one |
| 19:57.47 | mindjuju | http://www.forkparty.com/unlicensed-knock-off-toy-fails/ |
| 19:57.56 | beandog | mgeary, pong |
| 19:58.10 | beandog | man ......... MVC stuff has me *soooo* confused |
| 19:58.12 | beandog | :( |
| 19:58.14 | beandog | *snorf* |
| 19:58.14 | supernovia | oh ninnypants: looks like they sell the same stuff as a powder which can be mixed with regular t-shirt paint. score! |
| 19:58.14 | mgeary | beandog: just responded to your PM |
| 19:58.30 | mindjuju | oh |
| 19:58.31 | mindjuju | my |
| 19:58.37 | mindjuju | darth vader on a motorcycle |
| 19:58.49 | beandog | mgeary, thx |
| 19:58.54 | mindjuju | i know enough to know that i've seen too much |
| 19:58.55 | mindjuju | http://www.forkparty.com/chinese-superhero-knockoff-fails/ |
| 19:59.14 | mindjuju | it's like the fourth one down |
| 19:59.59 | beandog | specialman? want |
| 20:00.17 | beandog | mindjuju, lol that is awesome |
| 20:00.28 | supernovia | lol mindjuju |
| 20:00.58 | mindjuju | that' special man is hilarious |
| 20:01.12 | TuxToaster | those are awesome. Especially the robotic tape |
| 20:03.18 | ninnypants | supernovia: sweet |
| 20:04.32 | mindjuju | ~ninjakick felipe calderon |
| 20:04.45 | mindjuju | darn, i thought i made one |
| 20:04.46 | ninnypants | let me make sure i can use the press before you buy it though. I can't imagin that i wouldn't be able to |
| 20:06.08 | supernovia | ya know I think my friend brookie has a press & she would totally dig a tron t-shirt too |
| 20:06.30 | ninnypants | nice |
| 20:06.32 | supernovia | an unlicensed knock off tron-shirt, mind you, but it's different if it's fan-love, right? |
| 20:06.41 | ninnypants | yep |
| 20:07.10 | ninnypants | it's very different until you get the cease and desist |
| 20:07.18 | supernovia | right |
| 20:07.57 | ninnypants | my friend does video game based shirts and shirts for web comic artists so he gets those alot |
| 20:08.49 | ninnypants | kinda sad to see a pile of shirts become usless |
| 20:08.57 | ninnypants | well unsellable |
| 20:10.06 | SunSparc | LOL, Robert Cop |
| 20:11.26 | SunSparc | LOL http://www.forkparty.com/floor-buffer-fail/ |
| 20:12.14 | mindjuju | that looked like it hurt bad |
| 20:12.24 | beandog | failsies! |
| 20:12.48 | beandog | http://www.forkparty.com/unlicensed-knock-off-toy-fails/ |
| 20:12.49 | beandog | oh wow, part 2 |
| 20:14.33 | supernovia | wiwi, oh noes |
| 20:15.48 | beandog | http://www.forkparty.com/all-aboard-the-sorry-bus/ |
| 20:17.21 | supernovia | awesome site :) |
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| 20:39.57 | supernovia | see ya guys.. |
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| 20:40.05 | mindjuju | cya |
| 20:47.50 | TuxToaster | so in some apps I've done, I make a quick wrapper function like this http://pastebin.com/S5rvnJiN |
| 20:48.13 | beandog | oooooooh |
| 20:48.17 | beandog | "Google does have a nuclear option: restricting HTML5 usage of YouTube to WebM. Though YouTube is not the only source of H.264 video on the Internet, it is one of the largest and most important. A switch to WebM would leave users of Flash-less devices like the iPad high and dry, until they were updated to include the new codec." |
| 20:48.26 | beandog | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/05/google-opens-vp8-codec-aims-to-nuke-h264-with-webm.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss |
| 20:48.36 | TuxToaster | so I can just call DBConnect(dbname) on the page when I first need the database, and then I have a similar function at the bottom of the page to close off the connection. Is that a good idea, or is there a better way of doing it? |
| 20:49.19 | TuxToaster | I hope they don't do that... and since they are all about supporting open standards, I don't think they would. |
| 20:50.17 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: I don't see a reason not to do it that way |
| 20:50.27 | ninnypants | it seems prety elegant to me |
| 20:50.28 | TuxToaster | kk |
| 20:51.00 | TuxToaster | I actually am going to change it to return the handle instead, so that you can have more than one connection open if needed. |
| 20:51.25 | influx | cedwards: Did you find a solution? |
| 20:51.27 | ninnypants | that is a good plan |
| 20:51.50 | TuxToaster | there's a lot of things I've done like this that I just did because it made sense at some point and time, and then now I'm looking at them again for a new project and wondering if there's something I don't know about :-) |
| 20:52.06 | TuxToaster | for all I know PHP now has a new handler for it or something. never know. |
| 20:52.08 | TuxToaster | hehe |
| 20:54.19 | cedwards | influx: I think so. |
| 20:56.28 | influx | *brofist* |
| 20:56.53 | ninnypants | anyone know if this book is still worthwhile? http://www.amazon.com/Professional-PHP-Programming-Jesus-Castagnetto/dp/B0000B0T0W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274302553&sr=8-1 |
| 21:00.36 | beandog | brofist? |
| 21:01.16 | ninnypants | knuckles, rocks |
| 21:01.21 | beandog | oh, k |
| 21:06.20 | influx | Does PHP have something like $_ ? |
| 21:06.36 | influx | Say I'm using a foreach to iterate through an array and I want to access the index pointer. How do I do that? |
| 21:06.47 | influx | err, internal array pointer* |
| 21:07.12 | mgeary | influx: is it a linear array? or an assoc. array? |
| 21:07.17 | mgeary | i assum assoc? |
| 21:07.20 | influx | linear |
| 21:07.25 | TuxToaster | foreach ($array as $key => $value) { |
| 21:07.29 | TuxToaster | is what I would use |
| 21:07.35 | mgeary | agreed |
| 21:07.36 | TuxToaster | (if I'm following you right) |
| 21:07.54 | influx | You are. I just found an example on php.net that makes use of it in that way. |
| 21:08.07 | influx | same form you used tux |
| 21:09.52 | beandog | ~mgeary++ |
| 21:10.00 | mgeary | heh |
| 21:10.08 | mgeary | the'll think i bribed you to do that, beandog |
| 21:10.11 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:10.12 | mgeary | *they'll |
| 21:10.17 | influx | You mean he didn't? |
| 21:10.21 | influx | err, you didn't? |
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| 21:10.23 | beandog | I'm unbribable |
| 21:10.30 | TuxToaster | ~bribe beandog |
| 21:10.31 | ibot | ACTION slaps tuxtoaster and calls the cops to turn in tuxtoaster for trying to bribe beandog |
| 21:10.34 | mgeary | beandog: you're un-bride-able |
| 21:10.35 | influx | hahahaha |
| 21:10.37 | beandog | I've already boughtmost everything I want |
| 21:10.38 | TuxToaster | doh! |
| 21:10.41 | influx | *rimshot* |
| 21:10.43 | beandog | ouch |
| 21:10.47 | mgeary | :D |
| 21:11.15 | beandog | I'm gonna get married just to show you up! |
| 21:11.18 | influx | css is not case sensitive, if I remember correctly. Am I right? |
| 21:11.26 | mgeary | beandog: you do that |
| 21:12.15 | beandog | influx, right |
| 21:12.17 | beandog | I think |
| 21:12.22 | beandog | influx, pretty sure |
| 21:12.46 | beandog | heh |
| 21:12.51 | beandog | ibot, good job |
| 21:12.52 | ibot | Good job, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
| 21:13.03 | beandog | the cookie jar is dry? lolwhut? |
| 21:15.05 | TuxToaster | ~cookie |
| 21:15.13 | TuxToaster | wtf? |
| 21:15.17 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:15.49 | beandog | heh |
| 21:16.12 | beandog | Hmm intresting. |
| 21:16.15 | beandog | 1 !== true |
| 21:16.19 | beandog | it actually checks bools |
| 21:16.21 | beandog | that's good. |
| 21:16.56 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://wetab.mobi/en |
| 21:17.03 | influx | So, I've noticed that i can do "if(condition): {...} endif;". Can "function foo() {...} endfunction;" work? |
| 21:17.42 | influx | Or must I use curly braces when defining a function? |
| 21:18.36 | beandog | I dont lik eit |
| 21:18.58 | TuxToaster | I'm used to similar stuff with lasso... |
| 21:19.01 | TuxToaster | if; |
| 21:19.03 | TuxToaster | conditions |
| 21:19.09 | TuxToaster | ./if |
| 21:19.19 | TuxToaster | without the . of course. |
| 21:19.24 | TuxToaster | influx: lol |
| 21:19.26 | beandog | bash is weird, too |
| 21:19.34 | TuxToaster | fi? |
| 21:19.37 | beandog | if [ true ]; then fi |
| 21:19.38 | beandog | yah |
| 21:19.42 | influx | heh |
| 21:19.43 | beandog | case .. esac |
| 21:19.56 | TuxToaster | so function... noitcnuf |
| 21:19.59 | TuxToaster | :D |
| 21:20.03 | beandog | heh, no |
| 21:20.09 | beandog | functions are easy in bash |
| 21:20.10 | TuxToaster | <?php ... php?> |
| 21:20.16 | beandog | just foo() { code } |
| 21:20.16 | TuxToaster | stupid palendrome |
| 21:20.25 | beandog | heh, nice try |
| 21:28.35 | beandog | Can you override functions from a child class if you instantiated it's parent? |
| 21:29.26 | beandog | Like I would do something like if(file_exists(class.$child.php)) |
| 21:29.29 | beandog | then include that one |
| 21:29.33 | beandog | or sometihng ... |
| 21:29.36 | beandog | if that makes sense. |
| 21:29.48 | beandog | in the constructor of the parent |
| 21:31.11 | beandog | I guess it wouldnt be hard to find out .. |
| 21:33.56 | utahcon | beandog: do it! |
| 21:39.50 | influx | I can call a variable, defined oustide a function definition, as an argument yes? |
| 21:40.13 | influx | e.g. $foo = "yams"; function butts($foo) {...} |
| 21:44.34 | beandog | influx, yes |
| 21:44.40 | beandog | I thought of a way to do mine ... use autoload |
| 21:44.46 | beandog | woo |
| 21:44.52 | influx | :D |
| 21:46.36 | beandog | wait that wont work |
| 21:46.36 | beandog | crap |
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| 21:55.01 | influx | :( |
| 21:57.17 | beandog | http://www.baconbabble.com/index.php/2010/05/10/top-ten-reasons-im-a-land-lover/ |
| 22:07.58 | mindjuju | so beandog, how do you like CI? |
| 22:08.20 | beandog | its awesome |
| 22:08.22 | beandog | I love it so far |
| 22:08.36 | SunSparc | Better than CakePHP or LI3? |
| 22:08.54 | beandog | never tried the other ones |
| 22:09.05 | SunSparc | Ok |
| 22:09.30 | SunSparc | I have heard good things about CI. |
| 22:09.53 | beandog | The docs on the classes functions, etc are really well done |
| 22:09.59 | beandog | I could have stood a better Intro to MVC, etc. |
| 22:14.09 | SunSparc | Unless you are already sold, you should look at li3. Although, it is a bleeding edge framework that requires PHP nothing less than 5.3 |
| 22:14.40 | beandog | yah, cant do that, we don't even have it in portage yet |
| 22:14.57 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:15.41 | SunSparc | Yeah, that is the barrier to entry for li3 currently |
| 22:16.37 | beandog | Right now, Im just barely wetting my feet with regards to MVC, so I like this that it can let me take it a little slowly |
| 22:16.52 | beandog | Plus, they have great helper libraries and classes that do all the heavy lifting crap that I hate coding. |
| 22:17.03 | beandog | form validation, db access, html tables, etc. |
| 22:17.06 | mindjuju | are you watching vids or something to get a primer? |
| 22:17.14 | beandog | http://codeigniter.com/user_guide/toc.html |
| 22:17.18 | beandog | mindjuju, ^^ |
| 22:17.35 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 22:19.04 | beandog | http://amish-online-dating.com/ |
| 22:19.06 | beandog | LOL |
| 22:19.34 | beandog | mindjuju, good luck with that |
| 22:29.18 | unum | http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/ |
| 22:30.12 | unum | that wasn't the one I was looking for. |
| 22:30.35 | herlo | unum: it never is really, especially with an inmate |
| 22:31.06 | beandog | http://www.kansan.com/news/2008/may/05/hell_and_back/ |
| 22:31.06 | unum | http://www.conjugalharmony.com/about-us |
| 22:31.07 | beandog | wow |
| 22:31.26 | beandog | unum, thta is horrible! |
| 22:31.26 | beandog | eek |
| 22:34.54 | influx | *clack* |
| 22:35.23 | influx | What. |
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| 22:57.34 | unum | beandog: I'm always interested in those stories |
| 22:57.44 | unum | i think we medicate too quickly and too often |
| 22:57.48 | beandog | unum, I love em |
| 22:57.52 | beandog | unum, if you like that, I got more ... sec |
| 22:58.07 | beandog | unum, er, meh, just google for "psychiatric tales" its a book that just came out |
| 22:58.12 | unum | there was a really good editorial in the new york times not to long ago |
| 22:58.32 | beandog | unum, if youre going to applebees tomm. I can bring it |
| 23:02.54 | unum | I won't be there, but thanks |
| 23:03.09 | unum | I posted that link on facebook, it'll probably make my mom sad.... |
| 23:05.09 | beandog | that's what moms do |
| 23:10.35 | beandog | http://www.forkparty.com/every-birds-nightmare-wing-fail/ |
| 23:16.34 | beandog | nn guys |
| 23:25.10 | SunSparc | Ok, here is a database conundrum. I have two databases with identical tables. They have been on different sites though collecting data from different groups of people. I now need to merge that data. There is one table that relies on the 'id' key of another table. So the id's well need to be changed, and the other table updated to match. Any ideas? |
| 23:43.36 | mindjuju | DtD, you around? |
| 23:43.48 | DexterTheDragon | sorta |
| 23:43.56 | mindjuju | quick question |
| 23:44.42 | mindjuju | i've got a site i need to upgrade, it was all originally hand coded by somebody else |
| 23:44.55 | mindjuju | I was mulling a quick fast port to drupal or port to joomla |
| 23:45.09 | mindjuju | having never used them, I've been looking at them, and i don't think they'll do |
| 23:45.22 | mindjuju | the user accounts portions aren't robust enough |
| 23:45.25 | mindjuju | here is where you come in |
| 23:45.27 | DexterTheDragon | if you've never used tham they tend to be scary |
| 23:45.46 | mindjuju | if i recall from your cake php preso, i think cake would do well here |
| 23:45.51 | mindjuju | since the database is already created |
| 23:46.09 | mindjuju | seems like i remember you saying you fill out a xml file that details the db structure and it scaffolds, etc for you |
| 23:46.42 | DexterTheDragon | cake tends to work off your existing database structure |
| 23:46.54 | DexterTheDragon | symphony uses xml files for db stuff |
| 23:47.18 | mindjuju | so i know you like python these days |
| 23:47.27 | mindjuju | but what would you rate cake on scale of 1 - 5 |
| 23:48.40 | DexterTheDragon | I think I'd look at CI for whatever your trying to do |
| 23:49.44 | mindjuju | it's a stablize the code / fix and go type contract |
| 23:50.11 | mindjuju | k, i'll keep reading the link that beandog gave |
| 23:50.21 | mindjuju | thx for the advice |