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| 05:24.03 | ninnypants | anyone around? |
| 05:25.00 | herlo | hi |
| 05:27.50 | ninnypants | how's it going? |
| 05:28.16 | herlo | good, you? |
| 05:28.23 | herlo | the sig0 and I are playing a game |
| 05:28.27 | herlo | the concept is you have to pick a song based upon the title or artist of the previous song before the song finishes |
| 05:30.27 | ninnypants | I'm prety good |
| 05:30.44 | ninnypants | I'd be better if I wasn't doing a windows install that wasn't mine |
| 05:30.56 | herlo | so don't :) |
| 05:31.30 | ninnypants | might as well finish I already drove to west jordan |
| 05:31.34 | ninnypants | twice |
| 05:31.57 | ninnypants | interesting game though |
| 05:32.02 | ninnypants | how'd you come up with it |
| 05:32.03 | herlo | indeed |
| 05:32.48 | herlo | we were listening to the beeker version of Kansas' Dust in the wind |
| 05:32.52 | ninnypants | literally twice today and once on thursday |
| 05:33.05 | ninnypants | that video is awesome |
| 05:33.20 | herlo | I said, ooh, another one bites the dust |
| 05:33.24 | herlo | and the game was born :) |
| 05:33.28 | herlo | yeah, great video... |
| 05:35.31 | ninnypants | man there is something wrong with the tower I'm working on it shut's down if it get's bumped |
| 05:36.13 | herlo | oh, that sucks |
| 05:36.35 | herlo | we're listening to Van Morrison, Brown eyed girl, I jsut picked 'third eye blind' - semi-charmed life :) |
| 05:36.56 | ninnypants | sweet I just moved to #utos |
| 05:37.03 | herlo | ninnypants: oh |
| 05:42.45 | influx | ~emacs-- |
| 05:42.48 | influx | ~emacs |
| 05:42.49 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, emacs is as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it |
| 05:44.04 | herlo | lol |
| 05:44.12 | herlo | influx: it |
| 05:44.14 | herlo | is |
| 05:44.18 | herlo | ~karma emacs |
| 05:44.18 | ibot | emacs has neutral karma |
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| 12:28.14 | carmony | yay for all nighters! |
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| 14:42.24 | carmony | man... |
| 14:42.32 | carmony | my sleep schedule is going to be SCREWED |
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| 14:51.34 | beandog | ~tuesday |
| 14:51.35 | ibot | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
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| 15:57.04 | beandog | anyone use CI |
| 15:57.29 | beandog | Oh thats right, we talked about it the other day ... doh |
| 15:58.28 | Utah_Dave | nice! |
| 15:58.59 | beandog | I'm still a bit confused as to what would go in a model, exactly |
| 15:59.13 | beandog | Im guessing any classes that are designed for data access |
| 16:03.09 | beandog | holy time killer |
| 16:03.11 | beandog | http://www.atari.com/arcade/adventure |
| 16:06.28 | beandog | don't show mindjuju |
| 16:06.52 | macnewbold | haha |
| 16:06.54 | macnewbold | nice |
| 16:07.17 | macnewbold | carmony: you around? If at some point you want to coordinate about thursday's uphpu meeting, let me know |
| 16:07.22 | carmony | hehe |
| 16:07.24 | carmony | yeah |
| 16:07.33 | carmony | thought I might fall asleep on ya at the moment :P |
| 16:07.49 | carmony | I'm not tired, though I should be, running on 2 hours of sleep. |
| 16:08.01 | mgeary | beandog: you shoulda oughta put your "learn something new" energy into Django. tsk, tsk. |
| 16:08.17 | beandog | mgeary, I thought thats python |
| 16:08.23 | mgeary | tis |
| 16:08.38 | beandog | meh |
| 16:08.41 | mgeary | dude |
| 16:08.46 | mgeary | it's awesomeness |
| 16:08.52 | beandog | Im sure it is |
| 16:08.55 | beandog | one thing at a time, tho |
| 16:09.35 | mgeary | 'sides, we're gonna need to hire someone before too long, and someone with both PHP and python/django skillz would be awesome to find... |
| 16:09.42 | Utah_Dave | beandog: your model is all your database stuff. |
| 16:09.58 | Utah_Dave | I have models that pull info from LDAP servers, databases, etc |
| 16:10.14 | beandog | Utah_Dave, oh, okay, well in my scenario I'm importing raw text files |
| 16:10.26 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, that, too. |
| 16:10.36 | beandog | I wasnt sure if functions to access that data would fit in a model or not, but I guess it makes more sense as a model than a controller |
| 16:10.36 | Utah_Dave | Use your model to pull the data |
| 16:11.07 | Utah_Dave | Then later on, if you end up putting everything in a database, you just change the code in the model and you don't have to change anything else in the rest of the app |
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| 16:17.29 | beandog | Yah |
| 16:17.36 | beandog | I looked at the database activerecord functions |
| 16:17.38 | beandog | They are pretty nice. |
| 16:18.07 | beandog | I had actually started writing my own, and they were going to be really similar in functionality |
| 16:18.10 | beandog | I'd rather use theirs. :) |
| 16:18.47 | supernovia | hooray for not rewriting the wheel |
| 16:19.03 | beandog | my wheel has batman stickers on it |
| 16:19.13 | supernovia | Lucky |
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| 16:22.44 | supernovia | howdy SunSparc |
| 16:22.55 | SunSparc | Hola supernovia |
| 16:23.02 | supernovia | que tal? :) |
| 16:23.11 | beandog | mindjuju, blackmail? |
| 16:24.34 | mindjuju | nah, a project that absolutely exploded and i wrote a scathing email as to why |
| 16:24.57 | beandog | mindjuju, don't get fired |
| 16:25.10 | beandog | but if you do, I'll let you live in my car. |
| 16:25.41 | beandog | it has cup holders |
| 16:27.24 | ninnypants | hey everyone go here and vote for CAWS http://bit.ly/bkeYaL |
| 16:27.53 | ninnypants | if CAWS wins it gets a good chunk of money |
| 16:29.24 | beandog | whats CAWS? |
| 16:29.50 | ninnypants | Community Animal Welfare Society |
| 16:30.00 | ninnypants | It's a shelter I volunteer for |
| 16:30.06 | beandog | Oh |
| 16:30.08 | beandog | Wheres it at? |
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| 16:30.44 | ninnypants | utah |
| 16:30.49 | supernovia | oh ninnypants your bit.ly already has a vote on it |
| 16:30.53 | supernovia | I think |
| 16:30.58 | ninnypants | they're based out of slc |
| 16:32.26 | ninnypants | weird |
| 16:32.37 | ninnypants | heres another http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/shelterchallenge.faces?siteId=3 |
| 16:32.39 | supernovia | it wouldn't let me vote anyway - said I already had |
| 16:32.53 | beandog | wow, lotta kitties upfor adoption |
| 16:33.21 | supernovia | there we go :) |
| 16:33.38 | supernovia | and some cats |
| 16:33.42 | beandog | "Maddie was found tethered to the door of an animal rescue." |
| 16:33.43 | beandog | Lovely. |
| 16:33.45 | beandog | ~lart jerks |
| 16:33.45 | ibot | beats jerks senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 16:34.00 | orsonj | heh |
| 16:34.55 | ninnypants | you'd be suprised by how crazy people are |
| 16:35.25 | ninnypants | there was an old guy that was going to put down his grandson's dog because it dug into a bail of straw to stay warm |
| 16:36.26 | beandog | Man .. I can't look at adoption pages ... too dangerous |
| 16:36.50 | ninnypants | going into the shelter is even worse |
| 16:36.56 | beandog | ninnypants, people are psycho |
| 16:37.10 | beandog | ninnypants, oh yah, last time I went it took some real self-restraint |
| 16:37.12 | ninnypants | dogs aren't allowed to have beds or toys in the pound |
| 16:38.52 | beandog | thats poopy |
| 16:39.03 | beandog | ninnypants, what kind of volunteer work do you do |
| 16:39.53 | ninnypants | I foster dogs and help run adoptions on weekends. I'm hoping to take over on the website |
| 16:40.06 | beandog | ninnypants, foster dogs? |
| 16:40.13 | beandog | hows that work |
| 16:41.10 | ninnypants | you basically sign a paper saying you want to foster and will take care of the all of the basic needs of the dog and recognize the dog doesn't actually belong to you |
| 16:41.45 | ninnypants | All our dogs/cats live in foster homes instead of in a kennel |
| 16:42.10 | beandog | ninnypants, oh ... gotcha .. thats cool |
| 16:42.47 | ninnypants | yeah it's prety cool |
| 16:42.55 | ninnypants | you get to work with a lot of dogs |
| 16:47.57 | beandog | right on |
| 16:49.50 | ninnypants | yeah it's really hard when your foster get's adopted |
| 16:49.52 | supernovia | Oh, I am being bad. Spacer spans. |
| 16:50.31 | fungus | bad supernovia, you are supposed to use transparent 1 pixel gifs |
| 16:50.38 | beandog | lol |
| 16:51.20 | supernovia | heheh |
| 16:54.12 | beandog | I think Imma go to La Frontera today |
| 16:54.34 | beandog | viva la revolucion |
| 17:00.51 | fungus | ~x en es I think Imma go to La Frontera today |
| 17:01.03 | beandog | heh |
| 17:01.19 | beandog | thats pretty close. |
| 17:02.18 | beandog | Okay, there's gotta be an easy way to split an array on empty values ... |
| 17:08.48 | supernovia | lol |
| 17:09.04 | TuxToaster | Example of why user validation is a good thing: http://xkcd.com/726/ |
| 17:12.21 | beandog | good for who? |
| 17:12.54 | TuxToaster | depends on whether or not you're validating the selection :P |
| 17:14.13 | Utah_Dave | Yes!! I wiggled my way out of the MoodleMoot! |
| 17:16.56 | ninnypants | ugh moodle code is horrible |
| 17:17.02 | macnewbold | haha |
| 17:17.15 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: congrats! we should celebrate thursday at applebees |
| 17:17.39 | ninnypants | it makes for a good lms but I never want to look under the hood again |
| 17:21.37 | TuxToaster | supernovia: why spacer spans instead of setting margins on elements? |
| 17:22.01 | supernovia | I'm considering how to make the text flow around an image |
| 17:22.08 | supernovia | and divs don't make as much sense as spans |
| 17:22.20 | supernovia | (granted I'd have to display them as blocks) |
| 17:22.37 | ninnypants | flow around in what way? |
| 17:22.53 | supernovia | http://www.bigbaer.com/css_tutorials/css.image.text.wrap.htm |
| 17:22.55 | ninnypants | just the pic to the side and the text wraps? |
| 17:23.04 | TuxToaster | you could just wrap the text around and specify a margin around the image |
| 17:23.06 | supernovia | so it fits the image tightly |
| 17:23.16 | ninnypants | ahh |
| 17:23.28 | TuxToaster | I've seen that page before |
| 17:23.34 | supernovia | debating whether to do something like this or whether to use images as text with accessibility text behind them |
| 17:23.37 | supernovia | yeah it's an old page.. |
| 17:24.34 | supernovia | I have a few focal point type spots that need to fit in a tight space and they just look clunky with a straight margin |
| 17:25.22 | TuxToaster | yeah I could see how the spacer spans might work there |
| 17:25.34 | supernovia | maybe I'll use br's instead |
| 17:25.42 | supernovia | then no one would expect content in them |
| 17:26.17 | TuxToaster | will br's style consistently? |
| 17:26.28 | ninnypants | they should |
| 17:26.29 | supernovia | We'll see :-) |
| 17:26.33 | supernovia | I think they would though |
| 17:26.57 | TuxToaster | I want to say some browsers didn't like it, but that could have just been IE in quirks |
| 17:27.25 | supernovia | yeah, I have to wonder if old IE users are just used to pages looking a little funky and get used to it |
| 17:29.12 | beandog | there's a joke in there somewhere |
| 17:30.09 | supernovia | yeah, it's "IE" |
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| 17:40.17 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:43.19 | supernovia | well, durnit. Doesn't look like that'll fly. |
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| 17:45.32 | TuxToaster | heh, the guys at work were just experimenting with a green laser pointer and a webcam |
| 17:45.44 | TuxToaster | even after they stopped the feed kept flickering green. |
| 17:45.47 | supernovia | I think you're right TuxToaster: the br will not be abused |
| 17:45.57 | supernovia | heheh |
| 17:47.03 | TuxToaster | heh. I wouldn't worry too much about using the spans for space if you need to... it may not be ideal but it might be the most efficient way to do it |
| 17:47.21 | TuxToaster | especially if you're looking for granular space changes or something. |
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| 17:47.50 | supernovia | mm, maybe I've got something else messing with it actually - gonna try separately |
| 17:51.38 | supernovia | yeah, can't seem to assign a width at all. Oh well. |
| 17:52.10 | ninnypants | on your br's |
| 17:52.36 | supernovia | yeah |
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| 17:52.42 | supernovia | howdy PoeticIntensity |
| 17:52.48 | PoeticIntensity | Hey supernovia ! |
| 17:52.54 | ninnypants | displaying block? |
| 17:52.56 | supernovia | Yeah |
| 17:53.07 | supernovia | wait, I didn't in this separated example - just as ec |
| 17:53.18 | supernovia | s/as ec/a sec/ |
| 17:53.50 | supernovia | yeah it ignores that too |
| 17:54.09 | TuxToaster | s// |
| 17:54.10 | supernovia | too bad. Brs would make much more sense |
| 17:54.13 | TuxToaster | good bot |
| 17:54.14 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:55.03 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: try s/ / |
| 17:55.07 | ninnypants | s/ / |
| 17:56.12 | TuxToaster | tis smart |
| 17:56.14 | TuxToaster | hehe |
| 17:56.55 | ninnypants | could be we're leaving the third / off |
| 17:57.00 | ninnypants | s/ // |
| 17:57.24 | ninnypants | only works once |
| 17:57.43 | TuxToaster | ah |
| 17:58.04 | TuxToaster | s/ // |
| 17:58.16 | TuxToaster | and it's smart enough to see that I didn't have a space :-) |
| 17:58.24 | TuxToaster | ok I'm done tormenting it, for now. |
| 18:01.22 | fungus | You need a g to remove all occurrences. |
| 18:01.25 | fungus | s/ //g |
| 18:01.59 | ninnypants | ahh |
| 18:02.08 | fungus | just like sed/perl |
| 18:02.31 | TuxToaster | so does /i work as well? or is it already insensitive? |
| 18:03.12 | fungus | Try it! |
| 18:03.29 | fungus | s/try/tri/i |
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| 18:04.05 | fungus | guess it's not that smart |
| 18:05.03 | PoeticIntensity | ~rlart |
| 18:05.04 | ibot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at macnewbold |
| 18:05.21 | macnewbold | ~lart PoeticIntensity |
| 18:05.21 | ibot | DoSes PoeticIntensity |
| 18:05.23 | macnewbold | ~lart ibot |
| 18:05.23 | ibot | decapitates macnewbold conan the destroyer style |
| 18:05.28 | macnewbold | ~lart jbot |
| 18:05.28 | ibot | DoSes jbot |
| 18:05.34 | macnewbold | how original |
| 18:05.36 | macnewbold | ~lart |
| 18:05.44 | macnewbold | ~lart ibot_ |
| 18:05.44 | ibot | whacks ibot_ upside the head |
| 18:05.45 | influx | ~lart macnewbold |
| 18:05.45 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack macnewbold |
| 18:05.49 | macnewbold | ~lart influx |
| 18:05.49 | ibot | rm -rf's influx |
| 18:06.05 | macnewbold | ~frenchassault influx |
| 18:06.06 | ibot | ACTION summons the french taunter! influx, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 18:06.14 | influx | Oh. Ow. |
| 18:06.21 | influx | :( |
| 18:06.28 | macnewbold | ~bdhit PoeticIntensity |
| 18:06.29 | ibot | ACTION slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on PoeticIntensity |
| 18:10.10 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:10.39 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 18:10.40 | ibot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 18:11.54 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:12.07 | PoeticIntensity | happy to see I spawned a landslide of violence.... |
| 18:12.22 | PoeticIntensity | ~chuck macnewbold |
| 18:13.57 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:42.32 | mindjuju | i'm in NO good mood :( |
| 18:43.41 | SunSparc | ~soothe mindjuju |
| 18:43.42 | ibot | ACTION exerts a calming influence on mindjuju |
| 18:43.56 | mindjuju | thx, i'll feel better once i send this email out |
| 18:44.11 | mindjuju | waiting 2 weeks for a book when classes already started is WAY too long |
| 18:44.21 | mindjuju | and then to be asked 4 more days before filing a claim is insane |
| 18:44.43 | SunSparc | ~lart Amazon |
| 18:44.43 | ibot | puts Amazon through a wood chipper |
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| 19:03.57 | mindjuju | sad for the employees, funny for the guy - http://consumerist.com/2010/05/video-professor-gives-employees-free-trial-offer-of-unpaid-furlough.html |
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| 19:12.45 | mindjuju | hi supernovia |
| 19:12.54 | supernovia | hey there mindjuju! :) |
| 19:12.58 | mindjuju | isn't there a used text book place right around UVU campus? |
| 19:13.06 | supernovia | Yup |
| 19:13.12 | supernovia | Which text book are you looking for? |
| 19:13.22 | mindjuju | big c++ |
| 19:13.40 | mindjuju | i ordered it from amazon marketplace, and i just got an email from the seller, some 2 weeks later saying, whooops, we forgot |
| 19:13.46 | supernovia | d'oh! |
| 19:13.47 | mindjuju | i crap you not |
| 19:13.57 | supernovia | that sucks |
| 19:14.25 | supernovia | Well the used book store is across the street that's just west of Walmart |
| 19:14.30 | mindjuju | so i emailed the seller, and EVERY amazon email addy saying, get that book in overnight, or i'm starting a consumerist.com + digg + every college site blog campaign to tell others not to buy from you |
| 19:14.47 | mindjuju | supernovia, awesome! do you remember what its called? |
| 19:14.52 | supernovia | Beat the Bookstore |
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| 19:18.55 | supernovia | good luck |
| 19:19.05 | mindjuju | darn, they don't have it |
| 19:19.31 | mindjuju | wish they had an ebook version, really need this book quick |
| 19:19.34 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 19:19.46 | supernovia | try bucks4books |
| 19:19.50 | mindjuju | i could buy it from UVU for the cheap price of $121 |
| 19:21.24 | supernovia | also have you checked the book boards in the WB building? |
| 19:22.03 | supernovia | cs majors typically aren't wont to post classifieds on index cards, but it might be worth a looksie |
| 19:22.23 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 19:22.40 | mindjuju | it's about time i head into campus, haven't been there in almost a month |
| 19:22.50 | supernovia | (801)805-0195 tried these guys? |
| 19:23.16 | supernovia | (that's the Bucks4Books shop in provo) |
| 19:23.52 | mindjuju | yup, just called them, they said they buy, but don't see, and to go through valorebooks.com |
| 19:24.04 | supernovia | mmm |
| 19:24.19 | mindjuju | they have it threre from multiple independent sellers, i just want one to cmmit to overnighting it and I pay, then i file claim against first seller |
| 19:24.20 | supernovia | There's a textbook rental thing I signed up with once as an affiliate.. |
| 19:28.10 | supernovia | whats the isbn mindjuju? |
| 19:31.13 | carmony | whats the correct way to do an IP range? say I want all IP addresses in the 72.233.74.* range |
| 19:31.25 | carmony | 72.233.74.4/24? |
| 19:32.09 | mindjuju | supernovia, sorry! was on chat with a company called betterworld books |
| 19:32.11 | mindjuju | here is the book |
| 19:32.12 | mindjuju | http://www.valorebooks.com/CallTarget.do?Target=CustomerService.ContactSeller.ProductQueryFrame&sellerMarket_id=724537626&product_id=6127122 |
| 19:32.26 | mindjuju | it's too late to send overnight to get tomorrow, but I can get it thursday with overnight |
| 19:32.29 | fungus | carmony: 72.233.74.0/24 |
| 19:32.36 | mindjuju | so at least i'll hvae it for sunday's assignment, but not tomorrows |
| 19:32.52 | mindjuju | i just wihs there was one local so i could zip over and get it |
| 19:33.01 | supernovia | http://www.ecampus.com/book/9780470383285 |
| 19:33.25 | supernovia | there's an e-book for ya :) |
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| 19:33.39 | supernovia | if you want I'll give you an affiliate link so they'll give me a few bucks for it too ;-D |
| 19:34.07 | fungus | carmony: unless you are trying to communicate a specific IP and the netmask they should use. then your version would be more apropos |
| 19:34.08 | mindjuju | is it a pdf or? |
| 19:34.09 | ninnypants | why is the ebook only 1 year? |
| 19:34.27 | supernovia | honestly I'm not sure what their e-books deal is (I've never used it for that) |
| 19:36.53 | carmony | just realized that datingdna.com doesn't have an SPF record :P |
| 19:38.01 | fungus | be careful with your SPF record if you implement one. |
| 19:38.16 | carmony | can you really foul up your email with it? :P |
| 19:38.17 | fungus | one character off and you could end up in the spam box |
| 19:38.27 | carmony | haha, I used a wizard to make it |
| 19:38.31 | carmony | but I'll keep an eye out |
| 19:38.47 | fungus | yeah, make sure your specifications on the wizard are accurate. |
| 19:39.18 | fungus | take the time to investigate all possible sources of email from your domain. |
| 19:40.10 | fungus | eg. it would be horribly bad if your lesser known maillist server was forgotten. |
| 19:43.23 | carmony | yeah |
| 19:43.27 | carmony | I tripple checked |
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| 19:47.35 | ninnypants1 | carmony: is dating dna all based off of socialmedia? |
| 19:47.51 | carmony | hrm? What do you mean/ |
| 19:48.51 | ninnypants | I just took a quick glance at the site and it looked like a decent amount was based on SM |
| 19:48.59 | ninnypants | but it was a quick glance |
| 19:49.40 | ninnypants | the matching and such |
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| 19:52.12 | ninnypants1 | man I keep getting disconnected |
| 19:54.27 | SunSparc | ~solidify ninnypants1 |
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| 20:44.08 | fungus | hehe, char limit fail! |
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| 20:50.29 | stderr | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/c4zem/has_anyone_ever_witnessed_a_hash_collision_in_the/c0q5ur2 |
| 20:50.32 | stderr | HA |
| 20:55.04 | fungus | that's quite funny, but it still doesn't actually answer the OP's question. |
| 20:57.36 | herlo | http://improveverywhere.com/2010/05/18/who-you-gonna-call/ |
| 20:57.43 | herlo | FYE |
| 21:02.25 | beandog | ~spin mindjuju |
| 21:02.26 | ibot | ACTION spins mindjuju right round, baby. right round like a record, baby. |
| 21:02.31 | beandog | sing us a song, piano man |
| 21:10.45 | fungus | sing us a song tonight... |
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| 21:11.23 | beandog | I was hoping for some 80s youtube vids |
| 21:12.27 | beandog | man it just got really dark outside |
| 21:12.52 | beandog | I think its a sign I should go home early. |
| 21:14.14 | macnewbold | totally |
| 21:32.38 | SunSparc | beandog: They did not have YouTube in the 80's. In the 80's the only tube that people were watching was the Cathode Ray Tube. |
| 21:32.55 | beandog | mmmm, CRT |
| 21:33.06 | SunSparc | Tasty with milk. |
| 21:35.34 | beandog | http://www.greendiary.com/entry/gorgeous-green-walls-the-next-big-thing-in-green-building-design/ |
| 21:35.36 | beandog | thats awesome. |
| 21:36.41 | SunSparc | That can actually save a lot on heating bills during the summer. |
| 21:36.55 | beandog | yah |
| 21:36.59 | beandog | I would love the view from inside |
| 21:38.20 | SunSparc | In the winter when the leaves are gone the heat from the sun on the bricks will help with the cooling bill. |
| 21:38.36 | SunSparc | Just need to replicate that idea into some kind of paint. |
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| 21:39.10 | SunSparc | Remember the thermal t-shirts of the late 80's early 90's? |
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| 21:43.55 | beandog | man |
| 21:43.57 | beandog | flash == evil |
| 21:44.56 | fungus | without Apple's smug superiority complex, Flash would never die. |
| 21:45.03 | beandog | lol |
| 21:46.11 | beandog | http://vimeo.com/5843895 |
| 21:46.40 | beandog | grah |
| 21:46.45 | fungus | ah, but I can't forget to thank the mindless Apple fanboy zombies that buy everything apple to give them the market share to actually apply pressure against Flash |
| 21:46.51 | beandog | I cant stand watching flash video any more .. it just constantly pauses for no reason on my box |
| 21:47.24 | beandog | fungus, competition is healthy ... and one thing they haven't had for a loong time |
| 21:48.01 | fungus | lol, but the funny thing is... the competition of flash is Nothing. |
| 21:48.14 | fungus | Flash is getting beat out by "lack of Flash" |
| 21:48.21 | beandog | lol |
| 21:48.27 | beandog | true |
| 21:48.31 | fungus | well, actually HTML5 stuff |
| 21:48.42 | beandog | does ff support it yet |
| 21:48.50 | fungus | most of it, yes |
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| 21:53.49 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:12.41 | beandog | ninnypants, lol awesome avatar |
| 22:13.29 | SunSparc | beandog: that was a cool video |
| 22:13.35 | beandog | SunSparc, yah? I only got halfway through |
| 22:13.37 | beandog | stupid flash. |
| 22:15.31 | SunSparc | lol, the Interwebs could always just use QuickTime for their video needs. |
| 22:16.18 | SunSparc | Or (*gag*) RealPlayer |
| 22:17.10 | mindjuju | fungus, you around? |
| 22:17.23 | fungus | gettin' rounder by the day |
| 22:17.28 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:17.39 | mindjuju | mind if i rehash some old hash? please please! |
| 22:17.41 | mindjuju | check this out |
| 22:17.42 | mindjuju | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5317314&Sku=A685-0056 |
| 22:17.58 | mindjuju | have you heard / what do you think? |
| 22:18.22 | mindjuju | i think this is what i want |
| 22:18.31 | fungus | haven't heard anything about that one. |
| 22:25.05 | orsonj | well, it has android, so it shouldn't be too bad on the software side |
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| 22:36.38 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: http://astrosurf.com/legault/iss_atlantis_2010.jpg |
| 22:38.48 | mindjuju | DtD, you around |
| 22:41.38 | mindjuju | beandog, do you trust me with a youtube video link? |
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| 22:47.14 | SunSparc | IT'S A TRAP! |
| 22:48.20 | mindjuju | it's not a trap, it's actually a view of the new light cycles from tron 2, but the reason i was asking for DtD was because I just found out |
| 22:48.28 | mindjuju | that daft punk is doing the soundtrack for Tron2 |
| 22:48.35 | SunSparc | What?! Post it. |
| 22:48.35 | mindjuju | and it has one of the songs which sounds awesome |
| 22:48.53 | mindjuju | 100% no rick roll guarantee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ZMnYTIDeM |
| 22:49.24 | mindjuju | the song is awesome |
| 22:51.00 | mindjuju | sorry, forgot, there is a bad word in there |
| 22:51.09 | mindjuju | people reacting to something there, don't want to spoil it for ya |
| 22:51.42 | macnewbold | the other night beandog showed me the trailer for tron2 - it looks totally sweet |
| 22:51.54 | cedwards | mindjuju: boy am I glad you didn't expire those two pastebins you sent me the other day. |
| 22:51.55 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:52.07 | mindjuju | what up cedwards? |
| 22:52.09 | cedwards | mindjuju: I had to reinstall and lost all the work I had done on that site! :( |
| 22:52.16 | mindjuju | that stinks! |
| 22:52.41 | cedwards | I even had it in revision control (git), but it was just local. I had never pushed it anywhere. |
| 22:53.10 | cedwards | ohh well. back to square one I guess. |
| 22:53.14 | macnewbold | cedwards: hehe, glad you found it, but svn ftw! |
| 22:53.42 | mindjuju | sunsparc, what did you think of the link? |
| 22:53.46 | herlo | macnewbold: you just lost a point in my book |
| 22:53.51 | herlo | ~macnewbold-- |
| 22:54.04 | macnewbold | ~educate herlo |
| 22:54.05 | ibot | ACTION teaches herlo the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 22:54.23 | macnewbold | sorry if you disagree, but I'm a fan of centralized (or at least coordinated) source code control |
| 22:54.35 | herlo | macnewbold: oh, I agree with coordinated :) |
| 22:54.39 | herlo | just not svn... |
| 22:54.41 | macnewbold | if there isn't at least one way to tell what the True Trunk is right now, it isn't source code control |
| 22:55.07 | cedwards | granted i haven't done a lot of group-oriented coding, but I prefer git. |
| 22:55.11 | macnewbold | i just think svn > cvs |
| 22:55.15 | cedwards | it just seems simpler for the projects I work on. |
| 22:55.17 | herlo | macnewbold: agreed to that |
| 22:55.18 | macnewbold | not anything super about svn per se |
| 22:55.34 | herlo | svn isn't horrible, just drcs' are better is all imo |
| 22:55.40 | macnewbold | cedwards: until your local copy going away leaves you without any of the stuff you "committed to the repository" ;) |
| 22:56.26 | macnewbold | i don't mind a drcs as long as if someone commits somewhere, everyone who wants to can find out about it and know that their stuff isn't in conflict with it when they commit |
| 22:56.32 | herlo | it makes it easy to agree on where the 'origin' or centralized component can live, plus it's easy to change. What you speak about is process though, not code... |
| 22:56.40 | cedwards | macnewbold: yeah. that was my mistake not checking it into my central git repo though. |
| 22:56.51 | macnewbold | the crap with git where you can commit locally and nobody knows until you push it to somewhere else is bizarre and imho not good |
| 22:57.07 | macnewbold | cedwards: right, but it's git's fault that it even made that possible... imho |
| 22:57.28 | mindjuju | stop the press! NIN + Gary Numan? = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qlUFKFHNIU |
| 22:58.12 | herlo | macnewbold: so the thing is with that, it's really no different. I can just commit a bunch locally then push up those commits so others can see it, just a preference... |
| 22:58.34 | macnewbold | right, but to me it isn't really a "commit" if it's only local and nobody else can see it |
| 22:58.36 | herlo | I have a stable bit of code to work with while I get it right, don't have to keep pulling every time someone commits |
| 22:58.40 | SunSparc | mindjuju: It was a decent song. |
| 22:58.49 | macnewbold | cause when you try to push, you may have conflicts, etc. with other commits, |
| 22:58.51 | mindjuju | surely you jest |
| 22:58.55 | herlo | macnewbold: nope |
| 22:59.04 | cedwards | I like how easy it is to setup a quick git repo, anywhere, and that it doesn't contaminate every directory with .svn files ;) |
| 22:59.08 | macnewbold | but yours is committed, right? it's permanent. but yet you can have it get all messed up. |
| 22:59.12 | herlo | macnewbold: if you follow the right procedure, you *must* pull first, before pushing your changed |
| 22:59.16 | herlo | commits |
| 22:59.22 | macnewbold | perhaps it is the use of the word commit for local only stuff |
| 22:59.22 | cedwards | again, I'm not a professional coder so my opinion isn't well informed. |
| 22:59.29 | herlo | merges happen locally, not in the central repo |
| 22:59.38 | macnewbold | herlo: right, so pull first, and you can get conflicts with your local commits, right? |
| 22:59.41 | herlo | it puts the onus on the developer to fix their code... |
| 22:59.44 | macnewbold | right |
| 22:59.49 | herlo | macnewbold: sure, but what's different about that from svn? |
| 23:00.02 | herlo | oh I know, the fact that it can have *lots* of changes...that's about it |
| 23:00.07 | macnewbold | the fact that you can't commit until you resolve the conflicts... and when you commit, everyone can see it |
| 23:00.28 | macnewbold | calling it a commit when it isn't final is counter-intuitive and against the traditionally accepted definitions of "commit" |
| 23:00.41 | macnewbold | it's not a commit, maybe a "checkpoint" or something, but not a commit |
| 23:00.53 | mindjuju | gary numan's cars is one of the first synth songs i listened to that I loved (paved way for love for all things techno / electronica) |
| 23:01.07 | herlo | macnewbold: so replace your word commit, with push, and you have the same thing |
| 23:01.09 | mindjuju | that and that one sceen in the original tron when they go through the cave |
| 23:01.13 | herlo | it's just several commits in a push |
| 23:01.27 | herlo | the debate is a good one, but it's all about preference anyway |
| 23:02.08 | macnewbold | herlo: yeah, they're similar if you use the right terminology, but the terminology people currently use is misleading and inaccurate, imho |
| 23:02.09 | herlo | macnewbold: and the commits are final, the merge is just another type of commit which updates to deal with possible conflicts... |
| 23:02.24 | macnewbold | right, which means it isn't really as final as you'd want to make it sound... |
| 23:02.26 | herlo | git even treats it that way in the logs... |
| 23:02.52 | macnewbold | commit in the usual sense is all about resolving any potential conflicts with other concurrent changes |
| 23:02.57 | herlo | it's only that way *if* there are conflicts. How often do you run into conflicts in svn when you do an update?? |
| 23:03.08 | herlo | I would suggest that the level of conflicts is not different. |
| 23:03.10 | macnewbold | if you're only doing that when you pull/push, then that's where the commit happens |
| 23:03.20 | herlo | again, terminology |
| 23:03.26 | macnewbold | terminology is important! |
| 23:03.26 | herlo | I think that's the point of drcs' |
| 23:03.31 | macnewbold | words have definitions for a reason |
| 23:03.34 | herlo | it's introducing *new* terminology |
| 23:03.46 | macnewbold | well then get your own word, and leave our existing words and definitions alone... |
| 23:03.57 | herlo | and there's nothing wrong with changing what a word means. We've done that for thousands of years |
| 23:04.04 | macnewbold | and we run into conflicts quite regularly... |
| 23:04.09 | herlo | as do we with git |
| 23:04.28 | herlo | and they are generally easy to resolve if you are familiar with your code... |
| 23:04.39 | macnewbold | but changing a definition causes confusion, and the things that used to be true of "commits" no longer are |
| 23:04.49 | macnewbold | it changes the assumptions and basis for calling something that |
| 23:04.58 | macnewbold | i'm not saying commits are hard to resolve |
| 23:05.14 | macnewbold | (s/commits/conflicts) but until you resolve them, it isn't really a commit imho |
| 23:05.26 | herlo | I guess I'm of the opinion that a commit has become 'simplified' and a merge is really where conflicts and resolutions occur |
| 23:05.27 | macnewbold | until it is verified non-conflicting and pushed to an official source |
| 23:05.40 | herlo | but we just disagree on the meaning of commit and merge |
| 23:05.47 | herlo | because truly in svn you do both with a commit |
| 23:05.47 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 23:05.49 | macnewbold | totally |
| 23:05.54 | herlo | git separates them out |
| 23:05.56 | macnewbold | the merge happens when you update |
| 23:06.00 | macnewbold | (pull) |
| 23:06.06 | herlo | in git it's on a push |
| 23:06.06 | macnewbold | and the commit happens when you push |
| 23:06.10 | mindjuju | i think ya'lls disagreements should be worked out with shield and a mace in a battle arena |
| 23:06.11 | herlo | well, sorta |
| 23:06.17 | herlo | mindjuju: lol |
| 23:06.30 | macnewbold | you have to merge your code in when you pull and can't push unless your code is based on the current versions of the files you're changing |
| 23:06.34 | herlo | I think we fundamentally agree on rcs', it's just a matter of terminology and preference... |
| 23:06.37 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 23:06.43 | macnewbold | and definitinos |
| 23:06.47 | herlo | sure |
| 23:06.52 | herlo | terminology.... |
| 23:06.57 | macnewbold | mindjuju: are you offering a venue and equipment? |
| 23:07.04 | macnewbold | selling tickets perhaps? |
| 23:07.12 | macnewbold | maybe a side-activity at UTOCS2010 |
| 23:07.14 | herlo | mace does not excite me |
| 23:07.27 | macnewbold | man, look at the time fly... |
| 23:07.30 | herlo | lol |
| 23:07.31 | macnewbold | i gotta run guys |
| 23:07.33 | mindjuju | i could |
| 23:07.37 | herlo | macnewbold: nice chatting with ya |
| 23:07.39 | macnewbold | thanks herlo, for the invigorating discussion |
| 23:07.50 | herlo | macnewbold: it's always fun to talk details with you |
| 23:07.54 | herlo | have a good night |
| 23:07.56 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:07.57 | macnewbold | no doubt |
| 23:07.59 | macnewbold | likewise |
| 23:08.02 | macnewbold | see ya |
| 23:09.24 | herlo | ciao |
| 23:46.33 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFv2W7Duqiw |
| 23:46.34 | herlo | wow! ^^ |
| 23:49.37 | fungus | holy crap |
| 23:50.05 | fungus | that's enough to cause severe injury |
