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00:56.26Jacob_KerrHey guys. I think I have seen this before but can not remember what it is but there is a way to make it when you call a variable from a class to have that variable run through a function right? So I have class albums and I go to pull $albums->price when that value is being pulled at any variable is being pulled like that how can I run it through a function?
00:56.49Jacob_Kerror*
00:57.55Jacob_KerrSo say I want to clean all my values as I pull them or really what I want to do is I am working on a application and in the application it pulls $album->price I want to be able to detect that run the price through a conversion function if I can do it this way it will save me a lot of work.
01:01.27DexterTheDragonJacob_Kerr: In php you either have to use setter/getter functions
01:01.45DexterTheDragonor you have to do some ugly stuff with the magic __get and __set class functions
01:02.21Jacob_KerrSweet that is what I was looking for..
01:02.24Jacob_KerrThanks man.
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01:13.31ninnypantsany one know how to tell which drive windows is running on?
01:13.45ninnypantsthere's two installed drives
01:20.00DexterTheDragonC:
01:29.11optikalGoto cmd, type echo %WINDIR%
01:55.36ninnypantsthanks
01:56.01ninnypantsalready figured it out. found the drive with the correct users
01:58.56optikalFor that you could have done echo %USERPROFILE% (fyi)
02:00.11optikalIf I know I want to browse there, I'll just hit the run dialog and do explorer %USERPROFILE%
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14:16.22beandog~friday
14:16.23ibot! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! !
14:16.32beandogI came here just for that
14:16.48utahconwoot
14:18.52beandogIs it just me, or does this not have any navigational index?
14:18.55beandoghttp://codeigniter.com/user_guide/
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15:29.28beandogwow
15:29.33beandogCI is kinda spiffy.
15:33.21beandoghttp://php.net/manual/en/function.var-export.php
15:33.22beandogweird.
15:39.34utahconam I the only one who thinks Texas Linux Fest is a joke?
15:39.44utahconI can't imagine nerds/geeks in Texas.... sorry
15:40.45beandoghttp://fakescience.tumblr.com/
15:40.56beandogutahcon, isn't mindjuju from TX?
15:41.04beandogI guess he escaped persecution
16:04.29ninnypantshas anyone in here done a persistant linux install on a usb stick?
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16:06.24beandogninnypants, yah, I have a few of em
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16:07.50ninnypantshow hard is it?
16:07.57beandogninnypants, easy enough
16:08.34beandogI use syslinux instead of GRUB on mine to boot.  Its a little easier to tackle
16:08.51funguseven easier.
16:08.51beandogand allows for more backwards compat. with older systems booting off USB
16:09.15fungusUse your startup disk creator, specify the ISO. and a size of persistent data.
16:09.23fungusclick make disk.  Done.
16:09.42beandogYah, thats another way
16:10.20beandogfungus, unetbootin is nice too
16:10.27beandogwell ... functional.
16:10.41ninnypantsI'm not to experienced with linux what would be best?
16:10.43fungusunetbootin is good too.  
16:10.49ninnypantsI'm looking at this right now http://www.backtrack-linux.org/tutorials/usb-live-install/
16:10.55beandogninnypants, whut fungus said ^^
16:11.02fungusDo you already have a linux install somewhere?
16:11.12ninnypantson my laptop
16:11.19ninnypantsit's fedora 12
16:11.20beandogIf you want easy, just ignore everything I say. :)
16:11.42ninnypantsheh
16:11.54fungushttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo
16:11.56ninnypantswhat was the CI you were refering to earlier?
16:12.25ninnypantsfungus: I'm wanting to do back track for the usb
16:12.30fungusliveusb-creator
16:12.34beandogninnypants, Code Igniter
16:12.49beandogPHP framework
16:12.55fungusninnypants: you can use any ISO you want.
16:13.09fungusthat's just the fedora tool that creates it
16:13.24ninnypantsyeah I've heard CI is prety good never used it though
16:13.31ninnypantsok cool
16:13.55ninnypantsfungus: could I use a disk I don't have the iso anymore
16:14.15fungushmm, not sure.  probably
16:14.34beandogninnypants, sure, just cat it to an iso
16:14.41beandogninnypants, cat /dev/cdrom > fedora.iso
16:15.01beandogfungus, years?
16:15.10fungusYeah, probably 2
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16:16.28fungusninnypants: the unetbootin instructions on your link will work well too.
16:16.42Utah_Dave~tunafart mindjuju
16:16.43ibotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
16:16.56beandogfungus, hmm, thtas pretty incredible
16:16.59beandogI still use CDs all the time
16:17.07beandogMostly because I dont have enough USB sticks.
16:17.08beandog:T
16:17.30fungusI only have 2 or 3, i just keep wiping and re-installing
16:17.35fungusit's so fast it doesn't matter.
16:17.41beandogHmm
16:17.43fungusJust keep my ISO library around though.
16:17.51beandogI only have one I can port around with me
16:18.04beandogand I keep switching between ubuntu and sysrescuecd as the boot iso
16:18.21fungusso get another.
16:18.26fungusthey aren't costly
16:18.29beandogyah, Im broke.
16:18.31beandog-_-
16:18.39fungusyou can get a 2G drive for dirt cheap these days
16:18.39beandogherlo won't buy me lunch
16:18.50DexterTheDragonfungus: you can't make him choose between cookies and a flash drive
16:19.01beandogamen
16:19.06beandognom nom nom
16:19.11Utah_DaveHey, can accented characters be used in urls?
16:19.18Utah_Davelike cabrón  ?
16:19.18DexterTheDragonthey can now
16:19.24fungusbeandog: for the price of one movie, you can get 2 or 3 USB sticks
16:19.42beandoggive up my movies? blasphemy!
16:19.52fungusnot give up...  just delay one.
16:20.04beandogfungus, I think last time I bought a USB stick from Blockbuster for $10 or so
16:20.06Utah_DaveDexterTheDragon: How about on my internal network? Not on the internet
16:20.20beandogI think Big Lots has some for cheap, too
16:20.51DexterTheDragonUtah_Dave: I'm not sure on the specifics. I just know ICANN has approved non latin urls and they are starting to be used
16:21.10Utah_Daveright.
16:21.26beandogNow thats a scary thought for all the non-sanitizing URL parsers out there.
16:21.53beandoger
16:21.54Utah_DaveHmm.  Godaddy won't let me buy cabrón.com . The error says only letters, numbers or hyphens allowed
16:21.57beandognon-unicode friendly I should say
16:22.06beandognamecheap > godaddy
16:22.08DexterTheDragonbeandog: no its scary for all the people using VARCHAR(255) LATIN for url fields in their mysql database
16:22.28beandogDexterTheDragon, aye
16:22.38beandogwhich is why I use UTF8 and postgres.  win!
16:22.53fungus~x es en cabrón
16:23.14Utah_DaveHmm. namecheap.com seems to allow the accented character for some tld's.
16:23.16beandogibot, fail
16:23.17ibot[fail] YOU FAIL.
16:23.30beandogibot, unicode
16:23.30ibot[unicode] http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/qpf-cyberbit-120-50-t10_2.3.0-3_arm.ipk or http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bedic/unifont_160_50_t10.qpf?download, or something ibot doesn't get
16:25.02beandogfungus, what do you use as a boot tool
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16:25.37fungusmy tools use syslinux
16:25.53fungusI never have to bother with the actual syslinux stuff though
16:25.53Utah_DaveI'm going to set this up on a big external hard drive I have: http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB
16:26.06beandogfungus, er yah that didnt come out right ... I meant what do you boot into on your USB sticks?
16:26.31fungusAnything and everything.
16:26.46fungusUbuntu, Fedora, Solaris, Debian, ...
16:26.58beandogSolaris? srsly?
16:27.17fungusyeah, fortunately not very often on that one.
16:28.03fungusUtah_Dave: that looks really cool.  
16:28.22Utah_DaveYeah, that's what I thought.
16:28.56fungusI download so many different ISOs and swap em out so fast it might be a bit more painful for me.
16:29.30Utah_DaveI was thinking of trying to get it to scan the iso folder and create all the menu entries automatically
16:29.37Utah_DaveThat would be really sweet.
16:29.46funguswow, now that's an awesome idea
16:29.55fungusautomate the grub.cfg building.
16:29.57Utah_DaveDon't know if that's possible, though
16:30.01fungusI'm sure it is.
16:30.19beandogfungus, have you tried sysrescuecd?
16:30.22beandogIt comes with some great tools
16:30.30Utah_DaveThen you could just throw any iso's you want on there.
16:30.32fungusI think I tried that once.
16:30.56beandogUtah_Dave, you can boot into a grub menu from syslinux
16:30.57beandogI think ...
16:30.59fungusUtah_Dave: the only problem i see with that is getting all the different kernel options down.
16:31.06beandogor am I thinking of NTLDR
16:31.35beandogTheres one of em you can switch back and forth between them
16:31.39beandogI think its possible w/syslinux ..
16:31.43beandogpretty sure
16:31.45beandoganyway.
16:32.09fungusif you unpack and grab all the options from the isolinux.cfg inside the ISO then recreate that in the grub.cfg it might work.
16:34.11macnewbold~friday
16:34.12ibot! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! !
16:34.43beandogmacnewbold, o hai
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16:41.15mpxm_so remember that one time i came to talk to uphpu about stackable web hosting and lots of people wanted postgres databases?
16:41.42beandogyes
16:41.47beandogcrazy postgres zealots.
16:41.47mpxm_well, we did that. we'll release it tomorrow. if any postgres geeks want a trial spin in exchange for giving us some feedback, i'd be happy to set it up
16:41.55beandogmpxm_, ooh me
16:42.07optikalI'm intersted
16:42.10optikal*interested
16:42.10beandogwhat version of postgres
16:42.34mpxm_8.4
16:43.03beandog\o/
16:43.04beandognice.
16:49.41beandogwho is that is always talking about activerecord?
16:49.43beandogmgeary?
16:49.49mgearyheya
16:49.54mgearyyep
16:50.03mgearysorry, haven't been following the conversation
16:50.09beandoghttp://codeigniter.com/user_guide/database/active_record.html
16:50.13beandogthat is cool ^^
16:50.22beandog$this->db->get_where();
16:50.40mgearyyeah, though django's model is better ;)
16:50.41Utah_Davebeandog: I use CI's activerecord about 3/4 of the time
16:50.52mpxm_speaking of django actually
16:51.25mpxm_i need django guys who would like free lunch and drinks in exchange for helping us build our upcoming django hosting
16:51.37mpxm_so, spread the word :]
16:51.48mgearybuild your django hosting...?
16:52.05mpxm_stackable.com is going to do django hosting in the coming weeks
16:52.05beandogUtah_Dave, how is it?
16:52.09beandogUtah_Dave, any complains?
16:52.09mpxm_it's just LAMP at present
16:52.11herlobeandog: I'll buy you lunch, but you have to come to Park City now
16:52.18beandogherlo, dude I love PC
16:53.00beandogthey have a great Burger King up there
16:53.04herlocome on up...
16:53.09herlobeandog: no Burger King tho
16:53.13Utah_Davebeandog: Not many complaints.
16:53.41Utah_DaveI ran into a bug early on where I didn't check all my inputs...
16:54.00mgearympxm_: wait-- Stackable, a for-profit hosting company is looking for django experts to help it get things set up for for-profit hosting, and you want to just pay them lunch and drinks..?
16:54.14Utah_Daveand sent an empty variable to a where clause.  It changed everyone's last name to Speers.
16:54.20beandogI'll take mgeary's drink
16:54.21mpxm_we're just interested in hearing how people are deploying their django apps
16:54.28mgearyoh
16:54.31Utah_DaveIt's now known around here as the famous "Britney Speers" bug.
16:54.36mgearyi misunderstood, mpxm_
16:54.45mpxm_no worries :]
16:55.07mgearympxm_: we always/only deploy with mod_wsgi
16:55.24mgearytried briefly with mod_python and gave up quickly
16:55.33mgearymod_wsgi is much simpler, seems more reliable
16:55.34mpxm_cool. that's the direction we're going in at present as well.
16:57.08mgearybeandog: this is how django does DB queries: Customer.objects.get(name__contains="beandog").exclude(gender="F").oder_by("name")[:10]
16:57.34mgearybeandog: that will get the first ten Customer records where the name contains "beandog", the gender is male, and the results are sorted by name ascending
16:57.35optikalI wish my SQL queries had a oder by ;)
16:58.15mgearyhah
16:58.28mgeary~lart optikal
16:58.28ibotslaps optikal upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
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17:01.48Utah_DaveI've got a weird discrepancy here. I have two Fedora servers.  They should be pretty much set up the same.
17:02.50Utah_DaveWhen I go to this url on one    http://www.mydomain.com/test.php?word=cabrón         it outputs "cabrón" on the page
17:03.29Utah_Davebut on the second server I get     cabr-     except instead of the dash it's one of those little squares because the encoding is off
17:03.53Utah_DaveI've got utf-8 set as the default in php.ini, in httpd.conf
17:04.13Utah_Daveany ideas of where else to look?
17:05.33Utah_DaveOn the one that displays wrong, if I change the encoding in the browser to "Western European" it displays correctly.  So I'm pretty sure there's a config wrong somewhere.
17:06.47beandogmgeary, oh thats cool man
17:06.54beandogthats uh ... what do you call it
17:07.01beandogI just saw the term
17:07.07beandogwhere you stack the thingies ...
17:07.08beandoggrawr.
17:07.11fungusUtah_Dave:  compare the headers returned from the different servers.
17:07.30beandogwhatever.
17:07.38beandogmpxm_, are you guys running mod_php or as CGI?
17:07.58optikalUtah_Dave: Have you verified in the phpinfo() output that it's right?
17:08.42unumUtah_Dave: distro?
17:08.57Utah_DaveFedora
17:09.26mpxm_beandog, it's mod_php
17:10.28unum/etc/httpd/conf.d/php.conf
17:11.00unumit's loaded in at the end of httpd.conf
17:11.11unumis it would probably over write anything you set in there
17:11.12mpxm_Utah_Dave what's default_charset in phpinfo()?
17:11.22Utah_Daveunum: I'm looking at /etc/httpd/conf.d/php.conf and there isn't anything about charset in there
17:11.25mpxm_you should also check AddDefaultCharset in apache config
17:11.45Utah_Davephpinfo says the default charset is utf-8
17:12.29Utah_Davehttpd.conf says AddDefaultCharset is UTF-8 as well.
17:15.07Utah_Davefungus, how do I check the headers? with firebug?
17:15.34fungusnot sure how firebug works.  but in chrome use the developer tools
17:15.42fungusor just pop open wireshark.  ;)
17:16.25mpxm_firebug will do it via the Net panel
17:20.48Utah_DaveOK, the only difference I see is the in the server that works I have: Content-Type text/html; charset=utf8
17:21.02Utah_Daveand the one that doesn't it's: Content-Type text/html; charset=utf-8
17:21.32Utah_DaveNow I noticed that this is the case in IE6 but in firefox 3 neither works.
17:51.48DexterTheDragonhttp://fastdesign7.com/
17:52.07beandogoh ... my
17:55.04beandog~win DexterTheDragon a free internets
17:55.05ibotCongratulations, DexterTheDragon a free internets! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad!
17:55.46utahconDexterTheDragon: how do you find these?
17:56.42Utah_Dave"Amazing Special Effects"   Nice!
17:57.15utahconhttp://fastdesign7.com/fast_start_a_business.html
17:58.30DexterTheDragonutahcon: gotta be able to find a good designer
18:08.49beandoghow do we know thats not your website?
18:16.24fungusum, that has to be a joke, right?
18:24.52beandogwow, okay, activerecord has some cool stuff
18:26.50beandogdoes it use prepared statements?
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18:33.14mgearymmm. cookie
18:35.00mgearybeandog: does what use prepared statements? CI's activerecord implementation?
18:35.02mgearyno idea
18:35.26mgearynot sure if django's does either. It'd probably be in the DB-specific layer of the stack
18:37.31beandogHrmm.
18:37.37mgearyhey fungus
18:38.25fungusyeh?
18:39.24mgearywait, i may be able to answer my own Q...
18:40.58beandogmindjuju, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEPeOc1AJII
18:41.14mindjujuhow do i know that's not a rick roll
18:41.15beandogthat song will get stuck in your head
18:41.33mgearyfungus: hrm. i'm trying to create an ssh tunnel using a pre-supplied key
18:41.46mindjujutalking about songs, I proudly present, in honor of mgeary's Q
18:41.49mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aINmJ5ieM6Y
18:41.51beandogmindjuju, you don't
18:42.04beandogeveryone else knows they can trust me
18:42.06beandog:D
18:42.23mindjujui remember this one!
18:42.53beandogmindjuju, Ive got the complete series :D
18:42.55beandogwoo
18:43.06mgearymindjuju: i see your Stacy Q, and i raise you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqJK29zsO44
18:43.11mindjujuyeah, but do you have Galaxy High?
18:43.27beandogwtc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyttr8wI3lE&feature=related
18:43.34mindjujumgeary, i like that song
18:43.49beandogugh, reo?
18:43.57beandognext
18:44.30beandogwhat is an 8 year old doing driving such a complex piece of machinery?
18:45.59mindjujui wish my brain were IBM
18:47.16beandogso you could play chess?
18:47.41mindjujuand sing the Mr. Roboto song
18:49.55mindjuju@beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lZvJV6nFU   -- 100% no rick roll guarantee
18:50.30mindjujulove this song, still trying to figure out how osmond got on there
18:52.49mgearyfungus: so, here's what i'm trying to do. I have a root login and private key to an Amazon EC2 machine. However, i want to sftp in, and my sftp client doesn't allow me to specify a non-default private key. my thinking was to create a tunnel and then sftp in to my local machine
18:52.55mgearybut i'm failing at setting that up
18:53.49fungusThat won't solve your auth problem
18:53.57mgearyah
18:54.01fungussince the tunneled SFTP connection still needs to be authed
18:54.11mgearydarn
18:54.37funguscan I suggest a better SFTP client?
18:54.43mgearyi guess i could log in as root and place my own public key on that server, eh?
18:54.56fungusyeah
18:55.09mgearywhat SFTP client do you suggest? i've used Interarchy for a loooong time
18:55.27fungussftp
18:55.29mgearyit's apparently possible with Interarchy, but you have to do a defaults.write command, and my first try failed
18:55.29fungus:)
18:55.31mgearyheh
18:55.57fungusTransfer
18:56.13funguser.. Transmit
18:56.22fungushttp://www.panic.com/transmit/
18:57.31fungusbut adding your public key to root isn't a bad idea either.
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19:02.10mgearyyeah, that works great
19:06.16mgearyi've tried Transmit, have a license even, but i find Interarchy to be more polished
19:06.49fungushehe, it polished of the key selection parts, it seems.
19:06.59funguss/of/off/
19:07.26mgearyheh. granted
19:08.03fungussoftware is hard.  Finding a balance from features vs polish
19:09.07fungusMS Office vs Notepad
19:09.44beandogkate!
19:10.15funguskate starts with a K
19:10.22fungusthat's generally bad
19:10.30beandogthats cuz its kool
19:10.52fungusmeans KDE which means too many features and little or no polish
19:11.10unumI liked kate
19:11.22unumI switched to bluefish when I switched to gnome
19:11.27unumand now I just use gedit
19:11.47fungus~gedit++
19:11.47mindjuju@beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-LEBc2sO8
19:11.50unumone guy I know argues a lot about easy to learn vs easy to use
19:12.13beandogmindjuju, forget it
19:12.26mindjujupromise not rick roll!
19:12.34mindjuju100% no rick roll guarantee!
19:12.39fungusEverytime I try out any KDE app, or KDE itself I want to cry.
19:12.43fungusso painful
19:13.00beandogmindjuju, man I love that show
19:13.35mindjuju:)
19:15.15beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXp3AMgbG6k&feature=related
19:15.19beandogwasn't a fan of that one
19:15.41mindjujui missed that one
19:15.58beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnsHpPNltBw&feature=related
19:16.01mindjujuMy sister loved this show
19:16.02mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSvjqwJixw
19:16.03beandogI remember that all too well
19:16.14beandogoh man
19:16.15beandogI cant look
19:16.24mindjujui never say this one
19:16.32beandogyou didnt???
19:16.33beandogOh, man
19:16.41beandogIt was as bad as their costumes
19:16.55beandogand as I recall
19:17.00beandogIt was on TV for a LOOOOOONG time
19:17.27beandogsmall wonder?
19:17.28beandogdenied.
19:17.32unummathnet!!!!!
19:17.42beandogmathnet?
19:17.55beandogmindjuju, dude
19:18.02beandognothing was as good as You cant Do that On Television
19:18.20beandoghttp://www.ycdtotv.com/
19:18.56beandogI have a couple of full episodes at home
19:19.25unumI think I was too young for kids incorporated
19:19.46funguswow, did you know that Bill Nye makes guest appearances on Dr. Oz every so often.  
19:19.50mgearyi loved Kids Inc.
19:20.03utahconfungus: One would have to be home when Dr Oz is on, or care, to know that.
19:20.04beandogHmm I kinda remember mathnet
19:20.34fungusDVR
19:21.04fungusDr Oz is pretty lame ordinarily, but Bill Nye is too cool for school.
19:21.27beandogmeh
19:21.35beandognothing beats Newton's Apple
19:22.52unumI hadn't heard of newton's apple or dr oz
19:22.57unumwhere this cable shows?
19:23.27fungusMr. Wizard, Bill Nye, Newton's Apple.  Science shows for kids
19:23.52unumI've heard of Bill Nye, though I'm a little old for it
19:23.58unummaybe that's why I haven't heard of them
19:24.04unumare they current ones?
19:24.24fungusthe others are older than Bill Nye
19:24.56fungusBill Nye isn't current.  probably 15 years old
19:25.00unummy younger brother watched bill nye
19:25.02mindjujuALL of those shows pale in comparison to the ULTIMATE kid's science show
19:25.14mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9qphq-8w9g&feature=PlayList&p=B6D27F6DCA82BC99&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=30
19:25.30fungusnah, that one was lame in comparison
19:25.39mindjujupsh
19:25.41fungustoo much flash and too little science
19:25.58mindjujuscience shouldn't be boring
19:26.16utahconmindjuju: but it is
19:26.24utahconreal science is
19:27.06fungusthe scientific process is supposed to be boring.
19:27.09unumhuh, wonder why I don't remember neton's apple
19:27.18fungusThe results on the other hand are not always boring
19:28.44unumbeakman's world was on cable
19:29.01mindjujuwell, it was on ABC saturday show
19:29.05mindjujuchan 13 in houston
19:29.12unumas was mr wizard's world
19:29.32unumwikipedia says in 1993 it moved to cbs
19:29.54mindjujuoh was it CBS?
19:29.57mindjujumy bad
19:30.01mindjujui thought it was ABC
19:30.19unumwell who knows with wikipedia :)
19:30.45mindjujuwell, that was, uh, 20 yrs ago
19:30.53mindjujuso i'ts prolly more likely that i'm wrong
19:31.22unumif it was on abc I probably would have remember it :)
19:31.30unumthat was back when they had tgif
19:32.03unumand they would talk about all the upcoming saturday morning shows the night before the new season started
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19:58.57fungusCobra Starship is more fun
19:59.06mindjujustarship troopers?  jefferson starship?
19:59.13mindjujustarship returns too many results
19:59.23beandogmindjuju, just starship
19:59.44beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PP1HEFlkdY
20:00.06fungushe means this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxGGckAc1rs
20:00.13mindjujuwell, jefferson starship turned into starship
20:00.17mindjujuif i recal correctly
20:00.34herloyup
20:00.41herlobefore that it was Jefferson Airplane
20:00.59beandogare they really showing scenes from mannequin??
20:01.11mindjujuyes, because that movie is awesome
20:01.21beandogmindjuju, really? never seen it.
20:02.10fungusmannequin is a decent 80's movie
20:02.11herlomannequin was great
20:02.18herloback in the 80's :)
20:02.49fungusFeatured a Starship song in the end credits.
20:03.06fungusDecent != bad
20:03.18fungusit wasn't fantastic, but it is fun.
20:03.19mindjujuDecent != good
20:03.39fungusmaybe 6 out of 10
20:03.47mindjuju:)
20:03.49funguspossibly 7
20:03.58fungusdefinitely not 8+
20:05.09mindjujui'd only trust the fungus-o-meter if its the one where the his arm is the needle and it's pointing at a value
20:05.35unumwe built this city, much better
20:06.38beandogdidnt netflix used to show trailers on their site?
20:11.08beandogugh, am I the only one who dreams of writing a class just to create HTML tables
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20:18.13DexterTheDragonmindjuju: http://xkcd.com/740/
20:20.49herloDexterTheDragon: nice!
20:24.27mindjujufunny
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20:39.47unummy fiance thinks I'm the inspiration
20:41.55mgearyam i still online?
20:42.01mgearyyou getting this?
20:42.05ninnypantsmgeary: yep
20:42.08mgearywerid
20:42.10mgearyweird
20:42.15mgearycan't hit any websites
20:42.51ninnypantsbrowser in ofline mode?
20:43.01ninnypantsor changed to use a proxy?
20:43.12mgearynope
20:43.18mgearylet me cycle my wireless connection
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20:44.11mgeary_thar we go
20:44.16beandogIRC is such a robust protocol
20:44.17beandog\o/
20:44.28fungusnot really.
20:44.33fungusthe protocol isn't robust.
20:44.43beandogfungus, shush
20:44.53fungusthe system of the IRC networks that interconnect are fairly robust
20:44.54beandogI refuse to be refuted by someone smarter.
20:45.22mgeary_just like the GOP leadership
20:45.27mgeary_ZING!!
20:45.30beandogfungus, hmm
20:45.39fungushehe, I only care because i've been working on an IRC bot, and it's quite infuriating
20:45.42beandogfungus, it seems to deal with latency better than most .. lemme put it that way
20:46.35fungusI could argue that too, but It's not important.  :)
20:47.19beandogfungus, I'll whoop you at tennis then
20:48.01beandoghttp://www.theboredninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/miss_universe.gif
20:48.02beandoglols
20:49.54mindjuju~apb macnewbold
20:49.55ibotACTION calls Duane Lee to spray mace at macnewbold
20:49.58mindjuju~apb carmony
20:49.58ibotACTION calls baby Lyssa to find carmony
20:52.05beandoglol
20:52.06beandogI love that one
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20:55.24beandoghttp://www.chainbear.com/?issue=435
20:55.25beandoglol
21:02.05mgearyhey, remind me what ~ means as an SVN item status
21:04.22mgearyah, file/directory disagreement...
21:04.23mgearyhrm
21:04.44mgearyso, what are my options for repairing that?
21:05.42mgearyi don't want to revert it... i guess move the current file to a diff. name, remove the old, rename, and add the new... :/
21:06.06macnewbold~lart mindjuju
21:06.06ibotpours gasoline all over mindjuju, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
21:06.27macnewboldmgeary: yeah, that's the usual.
21:06.28Utah_DaveTexan bbq!
21:07.22mindjujumacnewbold
21:07.26mindjujuyou stil around?
21:07.31macnewboldmindjuju: nope
21:07.34macnewboldyeah
21:07.35macnewboldjust kidding
21:07.43mindjujusend me info on your preso for next week
21:07.44macnewboldbtw, i can't present thursday afterall
21:07.47mindjujuneed to put out promo
21:07.52mindjujuwhere be carmony!
21:07.57macnewbold~lart carmony
21:07.57ibotwhips out his power stapler and staples carmony's foot to the floor
21:08.51macnewboldso mindjuju, and anyone else, what do you prefer for the presentation? I've gotten very little feedback, which makes me think people really just come to the meetings for carmony and the applebees.
21:09.21mindjujupsh posh
21:09.23carmonymindjuju: intro to security -- the very basics and where to learn more
21:09.32mindjujuthey are coming for the full package
21:09.40mindjujucarmony, are you going to use that one site i gave ya?
21:10.20mindjujumacnewbold, did you see the one site i gave carmony, because if he's doing that, you could go further indepth
21:10.22carmonyyup
21:10.27mindjujuit's very cool
21:10.38mindjujucarmony could do like the beginners side of it
21:10.44mindjujumacnewbold go in depth
21:10.57mindjujuthx for the info carmony, i'll write up promo here shortly and send out
21:17.53macnewboldk
21:18.00macnewboldso carmony is doing intro to security
21:18.03macnewboldand i'll do depth?
21:18.03macnewboldk
21:18.09macnewboldwhat's the site you were talking about?
21:18.28mindjujuhang on, i'll look for it again
21:18.51beandogOh I tagged it
21:18.51beandogsec
21:18.57*** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Meeting 5/20 - carmony and macnewbold on intro to security | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
21:19.11beandoghttp://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/05/googles-new-buggy-microblogging-web-app-aims-to-educate.ars
21:19.20mindjujumacnewbold ^^
21:19.20beandoghttp://jarlsberg.appspot.com/
21:19.21macnewboldsweet
21:19.26mindjuju~beandog++
21:19.34beandog\o/
21:20.01beandog~karma beandog
21:20.01ibotbeandog has karma of 16
21:20.06beandogsweet
21:21.44*** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Meeting 5/20 - carmony and macnewbold on intro to security: Jarlsberg | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
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21:30.07macnewboldcarmony: how should we split this up, or just do it as a team or something?
21:31.06macnewboldlemme try that again
21:31.13macnewboldcarmony_: how should we split this up, or just do it as a team or something?
21:31.14mindjujumacnewbold, can I link to this as your blog?
21:31.15mindjujuhttp://dojo.codegreene.com/mac-newbold/
21:31.34macnewboldsure
21:33.17mindjujuk, promo sent, and I got to book out of here in like 5 minutes!
21:36.00macnewbold~lart herlo gently
21:36.00ibotslaps herlo gently upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
21:36.34macnewbold~seen carmony
21:36.36ibotcarmony is currently on #utos #utah #uphpu, last said: 'yup'.
21:36.38macnewbold~seen carmony_
21:36.38ibotcarmony_ <~justin@c-24-10-194-172.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 28d 3h 31m 20s ago, saying: 'got home at 12:20 :P'.
21:36.43carmony? :P
21:36.48macnewboldoh hai
21:36.52herlomacnewbold: why?
21:37.02herlomacnewbold: I like your company's blog
21:37.18macnewboldcarmony: how shall we do the jarlsberg thing for the meeting? (see comments above)
21:37.28macnewboldherlo: thanks! i like the design of it a lot.
21:37.59herlome too
21:38.00carmonywell
21:38.07herlomacnewbold: btw, I'm gonna pm you about something...
21:38.07carmonyI can hack a few of your client's websites...
21:38.18carmonyand show everyone else how i did it..
21:38.19carmony:P
21:42.01macnewboldcarmony: ;)
21:42.03macnewboldyeah, funny
21:42.09macnewboldwe'll try the dos stuff on your dating site...
21:42.40macnewboldactually, if we want some real fun, i know a website of a non-client who has a totally insecure shopping cart
21:42.45macnewboldwe can go buy some stuff for free or something
21:42.54carmonyROFL
21:42.56herlolol
21:43.02macnewboldyour wife does scrapbooking, right? we can send it there.
21:46.30carmonyhaha
21:51.15macnewboldi'd also add sql injection to the list, cause it's not even on there
21:51.36macnewboldwe ought to see about bringing some Jarlsberg cheese with crackers
21:51.38macnewboldit's really tasty
21:51.48macnewboldmuch better than tillamook
21:51.51carmonyhaha
21:52.03macnewboldseriously
21:52.08macnewboldi'm totally craving it
21:53.25macnewboldwhat do you think, should we split it up and do two presentations, or just move through it from start to end?
21:53.44*** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Meeting 5/20 - carmony and macnewbold on Intro to web security: Jarlsberg | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
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22:17.21herlowhee!
22:17.30carmonyhrm
22:28.21unumfor?
22:28.34unumoh the presentation
22:29.02unumI need to start coming to uphpu meetings now
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22:52.31beandogthis has been a loong day
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