| 00:00.41 | supernovia | I love that song |
| 00:00.56 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:01.01 | supernovia | how's it going mindjuju? |
| 00:01.22 | mindjuju | kinda mad |
| 00:01.32 | mindjuju | the jawa that sold me my brain sold me one with a bad motivator |
| 00:01.50 | mindjuju | think i'm going to FB that |
| 00:02.01 | supernovia | hehe |
| 00:02.02 | mindjuju | i need to get up and get stuff ready for the UG meet tonigh |
| 00:02.11 | supernovia | oh what UG meeting is tonight? |
| 00:03.29 | herlo | supernovia: ujsug |
| 00:03.29 | mindjuju | eczemaScript |
| 00:03.35 | herlo | lol |
| 00:03.36 | supernovia | hehe |
| 00:03.44 | supernovia | I should probably be there then :-p |
| 00:04.00 | mindjuju | you have eczema? |
| 00:04.18 | mindjuju | i hear its scratchy |
| 00:04.19 | supernovia | Well, skin issues for sure :-p |
| 00:04.28 | supernovia | my kids have it pretty bad |
| 00:04.38 | supernovia | I've got KP and a good ol fashioned case o the zits |
| 00:05.03 | supernovia | but I'm also trying to sort out the simplest way to do this slider so hey |
| 00:05.24 | mindjuju | KP, like kitchen patrol? like you've got to cook tonight? |
| 00:05.42 | mindjuju | k, i'm not funny |
| 00:05.46 | mindjuju | need to setup the wifi |
| 00:05.48 | supernovia | hehe |
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| 14:00.59 | macnewbold | ~seen beandog |
| 14:01.02 | ibot | beandog <~steve@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 20h 19m 48s ago, saying: 'I thought youd like that'. |
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| 14:14.39 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: Did you decide on a laptop? |
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| 14:24.56 | ninnypants | morning all |
| 14:27.17 | sephatine | morning⦠finally got that working ninnypants. Thanks again for the help. |
| 14:28.14 | ninnypants | np |
| 14:28.20 | ninnypants | I didn't really do anything |
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| 15:16.21 | influx | Hulk smash! |
| 15:16.51 | influx | Hulk hungry! Hulk feel stupid because he forgot he had eggs he could have made for breakfast, arrr!! |
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| 15:22.25 | mgeary | ~evening |
| 15:23.43 | influx | morning |
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| 16:53.47 | SunSparc | ~wednesday |
| 16:53.47 | ibot | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
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| 17:54.53 | ninnypants | it's quiet today |
| 18:04.29 | unum | ya it is |
| 18:04.33 | unum | maybe I should start a fight |
| 18:04.43 | unum | actually that works better in #utah |
| 18:05.40 | ninnypants | I never go into #utah |
| 18:06.23 | unum | because I start too many fights? |
| 18:06.49 | mgeary | ~fight unum |
| 18:07.24 | ninnypants | just haven't really gone in there |
| 18:07.27 | mgeary | ~argue unum |
| 18:07.36 | mgeary | ~annoy unum |
| 18:07.46 | mgeary | ibot: sheesh |
| 18:08.00 | fungus | there's a ton of smart people in #utah, but they also have the lowest tolerance levels. |
| 18:08.30 | ninnypants | I've been in once before but no one was talking |
| 18:08.43 | influx | unum: I have some pent up aggression that I could release. |
| 18:08.50 | influx | Flagpole, 3PM. |
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| 18:17.48 | mgeary | sigh |
| 18:17.59 | mgeary | ~curse my unreliable internet connection here |
| 18:18.18 | beandog | Isnt there a PHP function to see if keys between two arrays exist? |
| 18:18.30 | beandog | oh, just found it, durr |
| 18:18.38 | beandog | ~win beandog |
| 18:18.53 | beandog | mgeary, you on comcast by chance? |
| 18:19.07 | mgeary | beandog: no. NetCologne |
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| 19:07.51 | SunSparc | beandog: pumpkin chocolate chip cookies are among my favorites |
| 19:08.10 | mindjuju | who here has a 3gen iPod touch? |
| 19:08.56 | SunSparc | My iPod touch is built into my phone. |
| 19:09.44 | mindjuju | so quick question. does it work with google calendar? |
| 19:10.00 | mindjuju | ie, you have appts on goog cal, and it knows about it, adn reminds you appropriately? |
| 19:10.11 | utahcon | what is the purpose of the "yes" bash command? |
| 19:11.11 | beandog | utahcon, to see if stupid command line apps can make it into every linux install? |
| 19:11.37 | utahcon | beandog: thanks |
| 19:11.47 | utahcon | I was hoping there would be some use for it |
| 19:11.53 | utahcon | but it escapes me |
| 19:12.04 | beandog | utahcon, Yah I read the info page ... doesnt seem very useful to me either. |
| 19:12.36 | beandog | utahcon, poor-man's repeater? |
| 19:13.02 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: yes | rm -i *.txt |
| 19:13.25 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Yes |
| 19:13.44 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I mean, what do you mean by "works with"? |
| 19:14.05 | mindjuju | like you can setup itouch to go grab your appoints stored in a google cal |
| 19:14.17 | mindjuju | get your goog email |
| 19:14.31 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 19:14.44 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: What would that do other than bother me to delete all my files? |
| 19:14.59 | DexterTheDragon | it wouldn't bother you |
| 19:15.06 | mindjuju | thx sunsparc |
| 19:15.15 | utahcon | -i is interactive |
| 19:15.27 | DexterTheDragon | it basically answers yes everytime its prompted for y/n |
| 19:16.10 | SunSparc | mindjuju: np |
| 19:16.23 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: oh! |
| 19:17.09 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: its just there to automate commands that need input |
| 19:17.21 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: Now that makes sense. |
| 19:19.55 | utahcon | very handy for making large files quickly :D |
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| 19:29.33 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, couldn't you just do rm -f ? |
| 19:30.05 | herlo | use \rm to remove aliases |
| 19:30.35 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: yeah a lot of commands have flags that will turn off the interactive, but there's still some that don't |
| 19:30.56 | beandog | mkfs.reiserfs |
| 19:31.02 | beandog | comes to mind |
| 19:37.25 | Utah_Dave | yes | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 19:41.21 | beandog | :) |
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| 19:48.40 | fungus | OMG, Steam for Mac released today!!!! |
| 19:49.55 | utahcon | fungus: how many games? |
| 19:50.38 | fungus | not sure. too excited downloading Portal right now |
| 19:51.04 | fungus | oh, only Portal so far. |
| 19:51.11 | Utah_Dave | I was just playing a few minutes of Portal just now |
| 19:51.24 | beandog | hows that game? |
| 19:51.25 | beandog | any good? |
| 19:51.43 | fungus | oh, i'm wrong there are a bunch of others. |
| 19:51.52 | utahcon | fungus: are you not at work today? |
| 19:51.53 | fungus | Portal is fantastic |
| 19:51.56 | influx | Thing is, would I have any reason to purchase Portal for my mac if I already played it on my xbox? I'm not dogging steam for mac; i'm excited by it, actually. |
| 19:51.58 | fungus | yeah, I'm at work. |
| 19:52.16 | utahcon | playing Portal at work? Terry must have gone home |
| 19:52.17 | Utah_Dave | Portal is free right now |
| 19:52.28 | fungus | Portal is free. |
| 19:52.35 | influx | Just for today? |
| 19:52.37 | fungus | and there are 63 other games so far |
| 19:52.42 | fungus | free for the next few weeks |
| 19:52.44 | influx | Because I will download it and install it; system requirements be damned. |
| 19:53.06 | fungus | You can buy it now, and it will be forever yours. attached to your account. |
| 19:53.11 | beandog | Now if I can just find me a rich widow to buy me a mac. |
| 19:53.20 | influx | hHa |
| 19:53.23 | fungus | then download it any time you feel like, on any Steam connected machine you want. |
| 19:53.36 | fungus | It's free for the PC too. |
| 19:53.47 | beandog | fungus, don't tell her that. |
| 19:54.03 | fungus | hehe. |
| 20:29.24 | beandog | Does anyone have any good links for explaining the basics of MVC |
| 20:36.50 | Utah_Dave | Codeigniter has a very basic explanation here: http://codeigniter.com/user_guide/overview/mvc.html |
| 20:37.13 | beandog | thx Utah_Dave |
| 20:37.19 | beandog | Im looking at maybe using CI as well |
| 20:37.57 | Utah_Dave | I hate not using CI. |
| 20:38.23 | beandog | whys that |
| 20:38.59 | Utah_Dave | Well, for example, I'm working on a side-project right now that someone else got about 75% done and then left. |
| 20:39.09 | Utah_Dave | He did his own little framework type thing. |
| 20:39.30 | Utah_Dave | It is so confusing and convoluted that I spend half my time figuring out how to get anything to work or add anything |
| 20:40.10 | Utah_Dave | With CI, I can step into any project and because it's MVC and also because it's using CI, I can figure very quickly what I need to do to add whatever functionality |
| 20:40.30 | Utah_Dave | Really, any standard framework is better than some homegrown one. |
| 20:40.39 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:40.40 | beandog | ok |
| 20:40.52 | Utah_Dave | Plus, most frameworks get popular because they've made good design choices. |
| 20:41.28 | Utah_Dave | I think most programmers, myself included, overestimate their genius and experience and do stupid stuff. |
| 20:41.38 | beandog | heh |
| 20:41.54 | beandog | I would agree with that |
| 20:41.57 | beandog | Its an easy trap to fall into |
| 20:43.05 | Utah_Dave | At least with most frameworks smarter people have worked out bugs and dumb design decisions. |
| 20:43.33 | Utah_Dave | Several years ago I checked out 4 or 5 frameworks and CI just clicked for me. |
| 20:43.49 | beandog | "Yes, the template engine example is a bit cleaner, but it comes at the price of performance, as the pseudo-code must be converted back into PHP to run. Since one of our goals is maximum performance, we opted to not require the use of a template engine." |
| 20:43.55 | beandog | That alone almost sells me on CI |
| 20:43.59 | beandog | http://codeigniter.com/user_guide/overview/at_a_glance.html |
| 20:44.47 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, I don't use a template engine with it. |
| 20:45.06 | Utah_Dave | documentation is great, too |
| 20:53.04 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:53.05 | beandog | k |
| 20:53.06 | beandog | thx Utah_Dave |
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| 21:03.34 | Utah_Dave | np |
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| 21:04.54 | beandog | oy, php |
| 21:15.25 | beandog | http://www.namingschemes.com/Batman_Characters |
| 21:17.09 | ninnypants | nice |
| 21:17.21 | herlo | utos uses reservoirs in utah |
| 21:17.39 | herlo | echo, scofield, deercreek, etc |
| 21:17.49 | beandog | At home I use TRON chars |
| 21:18.01 | beandog | flynn, dumont, alan-one, bit, yori |
| 21:18.17 | beandog | I need one for work though |
| 21:18.23 | beandog | something that says "Id rather be somewhere else." |
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| 21:35.07 | unum | install bucardo now |
| 21:35.12 | unum | installing |
| 21:37.04 | beandog | Okay |
| 21:37.19 | beandog | Apparently I dont have the self control to NOT eat half a loaf of chocolate chip pumpkin bread in one day. |
| 21:37.38 | utahcon | beandog: at least you didn't eat the WHOLE loaf |
| 21:37.43 | utahcon | now pass the other half over here |
| 21:37.47 | beandog | I can feel my arteries widening to store it all |
| 21:37.50 | beandog | utahcon, lol |
| 21:37.55 | beandog | good point. |
| 21:39.50 | utahcon | beandog: stop talking about food now |
| 21:39.52 | utahcon | I am hungry |
| 21:40.02 | utahcon | and still have 20 min till I can head home to my glorious food stash |
| 21:40.11 | beandog | Well I just went to pour some milk, and something lumpy came out |
| 21:40.15 | beandog | that pretty much killed my appetite. |
| 21:42.02 | utahcon | beandog: you are weak |
| 21:42.14 | utahcon | lumpys make it lumpalicious! |
| 21:42.26 | utahcon | sometimes they add flavor |
| 21:42.59 | beandog | yah |
| 21:43.04 | beandog | I have no sense of adventure when it comes to food |
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| 22:41.52 | mindjuju | ~apb sunsparc |
| 22:43.09 | herlo | lol |
| 22:44.42 | unum | I'm having trouble understanding herds in bucardo |
| 22:44.54 | unum | anyone familiar with setting up bucardo availiable |
| 22:46.38 | herlo | unum: might try eggyknap |
| 22:46.56 | herlo | not sure how capable he is, but I know his company does that |
| 22:47.03 | unum | :) |
| 22:47.04 | herlo | ooh, I guessed right :) |
| 22:47.23 | unum | so herds are groups of tables |
| 22:47.45 | eggyknap | s/tables/replicated objects (tables and sequences)/ |
| 22:48.04 | unum | is there a reason you wouldn't wan to add all tables in your database? |
| 22:49.32 | eggyknap | Quite possibly. In one setup I work with, for instance, we have a table that backs up the web framework's session storage stuff. Those data aren't particularly important, compared to the rest of the data, and that table is very high traffic. So we don't replicate it. |
| 22:50.16 | eggyknap | In another that still in the planning phases, we're going to do data warehousing using Bucardo for ETL, and only some of the information is interesting to hang onto. |
| 22:50.17 | unum | ok earlier I was asking because I couldn't figure out how to add all tables to a herd |
| 22:50.23 | unum | but I found out how to do it |
| 22:50.59 | unum | I have a materialized view I probably won't want to replicate that will I? |
| 22:51.30 | eggyknap | bucardo_ctl add all tables ? |
| 22:51.47 | eggyknap | One possibility is to add all tables and then remove those you don't really want replicated. |
| 22:52.01 | unum | well I ran that but didn't understand where it went..... |
| 22:52.08 | unum | is there a default herd name |
| 22:52.35 | eggyknap | No, actually the add all tables command can include a --herd=foo option |
| 22:52.46 | unum | ya that's what I found, and used |
| 22:53.04 | eggyknap | Some of the documentation is, clearly, a bit lacking there. |
| 22:54.37 | unum | I should help out with that :) |
| 22:54.42 | eggyknap | You'd be welcome. |
| 22:58.47 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 23:37.15 | unum | that wasn't so hard |
| 23:37.20 | unum | thanks for the help |
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