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| 14:18.34 | ninnypants | morning all |
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| 14:20.56 | herlo | ninnypants: pong |
| 14:21.17 | ninnypants | hey herlo |
| 14:21.48 | ninnypants | wanted to start a irc channel for utah wordpress users figured you'd be the one to talk to |
| 14:22.27 | herlo | why? |
| 14:24.31 | herlo | ninnypants: how many people would frequent that channel? How would you advertise? Is there such a need? |
| 14:24.38 | ninnypants | there's someone who started a meetup group on meetup.com and is charging for what seeems to be mediocor help. Wanted to give the user another option |
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| 14:25.17 | herlo | uh, stackoverflow :) |
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| 14:26.04 | herlo | ninnypants: it's not that I don't agree with you, but splintering off a group for wordpress users in Utah could be just a subset of what's in uphpu, and they just don't know about their options. |
| 14:26.28 | herlo | one thought would be to suggest people come to #uphpu or join the uphpu.org mailing list |
| 14:26.37 | ninnypants | good point |
| 14:26.41 | herlo | is there some reason that is not good enough?? |
| 14:27.00 | itimber | ~uphpu++ |
| 14:27.02 | herlo | again, I'm not saying you are wrong, I don't know how many wordpress users there are... |
| 14:27.06 | herlo | in Utah |
| 14:27.15 | ninnypants | not that I can think of |
| 14:27.34 | herlo | but I suspect there are quite a few who don't live in here, but they just don't know the *free* option is available to them :) |
| 14:27.35 | ninnypants | I know many of the questions are likely not to be technical questions |
| 14:28.03 | herlo | ninnypants: yeah, and that might be a good reason to have a #wp-utah (or whaever you call it) |
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| 14:28.16 | herlo | s/whaev/whatev/ |
| 14:29.18 | herlo | ninnypants: just some food for thought. Let me know what you end up doing, I'd be happy to help where I can... |
| 14:30.42 | ninnypants | ok thanks, just wanted to check out the options because i know you have to have a group to start a perminant channel |
| 14:33.53 | herlo | no you don't |
| 14:34.13 | herlo | a permanent channel is a matter of adding chanserv in freenode |
| 14:34.52 | ninnypants | ah... must have gotten the wrong impression from the freenode faq |
| 14:36.31 | herlo | well, they like it if it's used :) |
| 14:37.13 | ninnypants | good point |
| 14:38.31 | herlo | yes, I think it would be |
| 14:38.35 | herlo | but |
| 14:38.54 | herlo | there's the option of making it appear as a *support* channel for free |
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| 14:39.09 | herlo | with some simple instructions for windows/mac/etc, you could get them onto irc :) |
| 14:39.18 | herlo | or make a web based irc client work for you :) |
| 14:53.15 | carmony | You know what I wish I could do? |
| 14:53.31 | carmony | json notation inside of PHP |
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| 15:00.48 | herlo | k |
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| 15:09.06 | _psychic_ | carmony: you can just wrap it in json_encode... :) |
| 15:09.26 | carmony | I know, but then it doesn't save me the convience :P |
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| 15:47.36 | macnewbold | ~seen beandog |
| 15:47.38 | ibot | beandog <~sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 2d 19h 24m 50s ago, saying: 'brb'. |
| 15:47.45 | macnewbold | "brb", hah! |
| 15:47.50 | macnewbold | almost 3 days ago |
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| 15:55.44 | superatwork | hey josephscott - we're looking for the best "best practices" article about writing plugins for wordpress - any recommendations? |
| 15:56.03 | superatwork | we've been through your slides and what not from the conf |
| 15:56.22 | josephscott | I think there are some presentations around that topic on wordpress.tv |
| 15:56.43 | josephscott | it can be a very broad topic, so usually folks focus on one part at a time |
| 15:56.49 | superatwork | yeah |
| 15:57.22 | superatwork | these guys are taking a bit of a crash course here in wp :) |
| 15:57.35 | josephscott | nice! |
| 15:58.00 | superatwork | I think so :) We're going to give wpecommerce a go and I think wp would be perfect for the rest too |
| 15:58.25 | josephscott | sweet, that brings up the obvious question, does WordPress blend? |
| 15:58.58 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 15:59.15 | TuxToaster | has anyone in here dealt with PayVision? |
| 15:59.39 | superatwork | I am thinking it will :-D |
| 16:01.30 | TuxToaster | superatwork: had to love the "What happens if a BlendTech blends a BlendTec comic" |
| 16:04.17 | superatwork | hehe, yeah that was pretty awesome |
| 16:04.35 | TuxToaster | hehe |
| 16:04.42 | TuxToaster | related question then |
| 16:04.56 | TuxToaster | anyone dealt with gateway providers that have good global support? |
| 16:05.00 | superatwork | well, maybe "thank goodness" isn't right - I guess if I haven't dealt with it maybe it means it's easy to work with |
| 16:05.13 | TuxToaster | Auth.Net, Payflow, Plugnpay are mostly US based |
| 16:05.54 | superatwork | check in the x-cart forums TuxToaster â there are some threads along those lines |
| 16:05.54 | TuxToaster | superatwork: supposedly it is compatible with Authorize.net, but they don't have any docs or sample stuff available to confirm. |
| 16:05.55 | superatwork | but in my experience many of the international ones are pretty awful. :-/ |
| 16:06.00 | TuxToaster | I've been working with a horrid place in Romania called PlatiOnline.ro |
| 16:06.08 | TuxToaster | yup. |
| 16:06.26 | TuxToaster | this one did everything through HTML forms and forces 3D Secure |
| 16:06.32 | superatwork | josephscott: thanks for the wordpress.tv recommendation - very helpful ;) |
| 16:06.38 | TuxToaster | doesn't work well when you have a point-of-sale type system |
| 16:07.05 | josephscott | superatwork: no problem, there's lots of good stuff there |
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| 16:09.03 | TuxToaster | +1 cookie for superatwork! Found a good thread with a nice list of gateways. :-) |
| 16:09.11 | superatwork | :-D |
| 16:17.12 | carmony | superatwork: Print out the WordPress code |
| 16:17.17 | carmony | and blend it :P |
| 16:17.29 | carmony | Throw in some WP swag for good measure ;) |
| 16:23.45 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:24.01 | TuxToaster | don't forget to include some comments |
| 16:24.33 | TuxToaster | I love your blog and have subscribed and now I will tell all of my friends. |
| 16:33.12 | mindjuju | ugh |
| 16:33.27 | mindjuju | i just read something that scared the hell out of me |
| 16:33.39 | herlo | oh? |
| 16:33.39 | mindjuju | http://www.darkreading.com/database_security/security/app-security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=224701074&cid=nl_DR_DAILY_2010-05-10_h |
| 16:33.46 | herlo | oh... |
| 16:33.51 | mindjuju | yeah, just posted it to uphpu |
| 16:35.52 | mindjuju | i know a lot of people who do that |
| 16:36.01 | carmony | scrape? |
| 16:36.09 | mindjuju | and the scary part is, it's the web dev firm suing the new web dev firm |
| 16:36.19 | mindjuju | it's not mistibuishi being sued by old web dev |
| 16:36.34 | mindjuju | carmony, yup on the scrape |
| 16:36.45 | carmony | yeah |
| 16:36.53 | carmony | its one of the huge drawbacks |
| 16:36.56 | mindjuju | remember people, this forum is recorded by ibot, PLEASE don't incriminate yourself here |
| 16:37.02 | carmony | of public facing info :P |
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| 16:50.07 | TuxToaster | most projects I've seen usually involve some type of clause that states it is the property of the company and not the developer |
| 16:51.09 | mindjuju | i actually made a mistake in the email, doing too many things at once, but after a re-read, this is the real problem |
| 16:51.11 | TuxToaster | plus it's just insane to think that the previous developer owns any rights to the actual content being scraped out of a system, even if they own the rights to the code that's maintaining it. |
| 16:51.16 | mindjuju | There's two principle issues with that. Principle issue No. 1 is the misuse of credentials, and issue No. 2 is the misuse of the servers that are protected by those credentials." |
| 16:51.18 | josephscott | scraping data where you provided a set of login details is rather different than scraping public data |
| 16:52.06 | mindjuju | out of curiosity josephscott, what would WP do if somebody scraped a blog? |
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| 16:52.22 | TuxToaster | true. But it really depends on the context of the data as well. |
| 16:52.32 | josephscott | WP out of the box? likely nothing. Most people want Google to scrape their blog :-) |
| 16:53.05 | TuxToaster | like for example -- I work at a place where we host airline reservations systems. |
| 16:53.41 | TuxToaster | if we scraped flight and reservation data out of a prospective client's existing system, then I could see the owner/developers of that system having a case, since they more or less own that data. |
| 16:54.08 | TuxToaster | the data there wouldn't be content "generated" by the client company, it's generated by their software as part of the product they offer. |
| 16:55.00 | TuxToaster | But if the client asked us to scrape an old internal wiki of company documents or policies to put into a new program, that content is likely owned by the company |
| 17:27.56 | Utah_Dave | Ugh, we got our new 50 meg connection in. |
| 17:28.34 | Utah_Dave | Someone assumed our routers could handle it. Turns out the modules are only 10 meg |
| 17:28.54 | Utah_Dave | and something is screwed up. speedtest.net reports about 4 megs down and 6 megs up. |
| 17:29.33 | carmony | sad face... |
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| 18:09.30 | superatwork | carmony I like that :) maybe we will. :) |
| 18:17.46 | mindjuju | josephscott, thnx for clarify in email |
| 18:17.59 | mindjuju | had to run off to my mon 11a planning meet and didn't have a chance to clarify |
| 18:18.17 | josephscott | no problem |
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| 18:22.24 | TuxToaster | anyone have any thoughts on using XML for language templating? |
| 18:26.05 | mindjuju | if thebigdog were here, you could ask him, he loves that stuff |
| 18:26.30 | TuxToaster | I know a few suggested using gettext before |
| 18:26.42 | TuxToaster | but the main issue I have atm is the code isn't on PHP (yet) |
| 18:27.04 | superatwork | anyone know when the next geek lunch is? :) |
| 18:27.11 | TuxToaster | and I need the user to be able to edit the translations... so XML in a db or flat file is looking good to me. |
| 18:27.28 | TuxToaster | just wondering if there are any performance concerns I should worry about |
| 18:27.43 | TuxToaster | superatwork: there was one last Monday I think (I missed it if there was) |
| 18:27.53 | superatwork | yeah I think I missed it too. alas. |
| 18:31.13 | mindjuju | how was your mother's day supernovia? get anything good? |
| 18:31.39 | superatwork | Well it was pretty awesome until the last minute |
| 18:31.47 | superatwork | but I'll just give it points for awesome and call it good |
| 18:32.16 | superatwork | Kids "put away their laundry" by mixing it all into one giant basket, so this morning I got "Uh, we don't have any clothes that aren't wrinkled and don't smell like socks." |
| 18:32.35 | mindjuju | hilarious! |
| 18:32.43 | superatwork | but ya know, I got hugs, chocolate from the ward (and a Christmas tree!) and a nice nap |
| 18:32.56 | superatwork | my mom gave me her ward cookbook⦠|
| 18:32.59 | superatwork | best of all though.. |
| 18:33.05 | superatwork | I freaking got my wii (and wii fit!) back |
| 18:33.15 | mindjuju | that's cool! |
| 18:33.36 | superatwork | wii fit tells me I've gained 13 pounds - yipes! but I'll be working on that :) |
| 18:34.01 | mindjuju | maybe it got bumped in the transfer? |
| 18:34.21 | superatwork | hehe yeah there we go. No I think I'd just forgotten I was in better shape 440 days ago ;-p |
| 18:35.09 | mindjuju | so i'm trying to decide what to do |
| 18:35.10 | superatwork | but yeah, I also got coupons for massages and mopped kitchen floors, life's good |
| 18:35.13 | superatwork | ya? |
| 18:35.23 | mindjuju | fungus has a compelling argument about me getting a netbook |
| 18:35.41 | mindjuju | i want a device that starts fast, can check email, etc |
| 18:35.45 | mindjuju | NO DATA PLAN |
| 18:35.51 | mindjuju | none, nada, zilch |
| 18:36.12 | superatwork | ok |
| 18:36.22 | fungus | That is correct, though I do highly recommend a smartphone WITH a data plan. |
| 18:36.37 | mindjuju | but i want it to connect to google calendar, know my appointments and send me alerts when i need to be soemwhere |
| 18:37.04 | mindjuju | that feature, along with email, are the 2 most important thing |
| 18:37.11 | mindjuju | well, besides being a portable mp3 player |
| 18:37.38 | fungus | If you can stomach a data plan. a smartphone will do all that and more. |
| 18:37.47 | fungus | HTC incredible is really incredible. |
| 18:38.07 | mindjuju | at $530 it'd better be |
| 18:38.35 | fungus | with a new contract they don't cost near that much |
| 18:38.49 | mindjuju | but you know (and this is a REALLY big step for me), fungus, but you know, if i got a netbook, maybe i'd be inclined to leave my other laptop behind |
| 18:39.10 | mindjuju | because then I'd still be able to remote into work and do everythign from remote |
| 18:39.20 | mindjuju | but that then begs the question, should i just get a new laptop? |
| 18:39.21 | fungus | True, a netbook is really nice too. |
| 18:39.32 | TuxToaster | superatwork: you got your wii back? that's awesome |
| 18:39.41 | mindjuju | but then that forces the question, will it vibrate to notify me of when i'm late to be somewhere |
| 18:39.51 | superatwork | yeah there are lots of awesome things going on :) |
| 18:40.06 | fungus | mindjuju, with a netbook, unlikely |
| 18:40.15 | fungus | smartphone++ |
| 18:40.19 | TuxToaster | superatwork: yup yup |
| 18:40.49 | mindjuju | so fungus |
| 18:41.14 | mindjuju | i know i'm holding a grudge against Steve Jobs, but what about an iTouch? |
| 18:41.38 | mindjuju | it won't let me reomte into work compy, but i think it might do those other things |
| 18:41.43 | fungus | Great if you don't want phone or data plan. |
| 18:42.03 | fungus | Actually there are VNC clients for it. |
| 18:42.09 | fungus | not sure about RDP though |
| 18:42.22 | mindjuju | vnc or ssh would work for me |
| 18:42.26 | fungus | but it's not really useful. |
| 18:42.39 | mindjuju | yeah, vnc on that little screen would be tough |
| 18:43.18 | fungus | maybe consider an ipad then. unless you need smaller. |
| 18:44.05 | mindjuju | nope, don't really need smaller, just need nearly instant start up time, apptment tracker / notifier / google clalendar / portable mp3 player |
| 18:44.49 | fungus | the mp3 player part of your reqs seems to suggest a smartphone/ipod touch |
| 18:45.21 | fungus | a netbook would be horrible for portable mp3 playing |
| 18:45.51 | mindjuju | last question so i don't bug ya all aday, have you heard of the Dell Streak? |
| 18:46.09 | fungus | only seen it mentioned on engadget |
| 18:46.10 | mindjuju | wonder if it is worth ohlding out for that |
| 18:46.11 | mindjuju | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/dell-streak-to-bump-up-to-android-2-1-in-september-hopefully-sh/ |
| 18:46.20 | fungus | looks pretty awesome to me. |
| 18:47.00 | mindjuju | k, thx for advice |
| 18:47.05 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
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| 18:47.43 | fungus | but don't discount the data plan. Sure it sounds like a lot. but the capabilities are very worth it. |
| 18:48.02 | mindjuju | it would be cool to be able to tether my laptop |
| 18:48.28 | fungus | well. tethering, that's another story. that can be challenging. |
| 18:48.58 | fungus | but just think of using Google Maps for your GPS in your car. |
| 18:49.00 | fungus | awesome. |
| 18:49.25 | mindjuju | that would be cool |
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| 19:15.23 | superatwork | just not cold.. |
| 19:20.54 | macnewbold | ~monday |
| 19:20.54 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix, or and on a more positive note, Monday is a brand new day at the beginning of a brand new week, a place to start over and improve on last week. :), or the end of the weekend, a.k.a. the weekendend |
| 19:22.14 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 19:45.50 | unum | actually I broke it on thursday |
| 19:46.17 | unum | really I knew better |
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| 21:00.44 | mindjuju | so sleepy... |
| 21:03.01 | beandog | macnewbold: ping |
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| 21:07.09 | Matt_s3d | hi all |
| 21:09.09 | beandog | o hai |
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| 21:39.38 | mindjuju | ~apb beandog |
| 21:39.56 | beandog | mindjuju: whut? |
| 21:40.15 | mindjuju | you have this, don't you? |
| 21:40.16 | mindjuju | http://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Box/dp/B0000C7PU4/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1273527025&sr=1-21 |
| 21:40.16 | beandog | I'm working here! |
| 21:40.52 | mindjuju | sorry, didn't mean it as a distraction, just a question |
| 21:40.53 | beandog | mindjuju: no, whats that? |
| 21:41.06 | mindjuju | nvm, i'll ask ya at 6p |
| 21:41.12 | beandog | heh |
| 21:41.13 | beandog | okay |
| 21:41.35 | beandog | it's alll good |
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| 21:48.37 | beandog | that looks like the newer series |
| 21:48.40 | beandog | Ive never seen any of that one |
| 21:48.53 | beandog | I'm about halfway through collecting the original 10 seasons of the original one though |
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| 22:11.52 | romanovic | anyone have problems managing sites on bluehost today? |
| 22:12.00 | romanovic | i can't seem to access cpanel |
| 22:12.47 | Utah_Dave | Hmm. The login form isn't working for me. |
| 22:16.27 | Utah_Dave | romanovic: I'm chatting with support right now |
| 22:16.32 | romanovic | nice |
| 22:17.10 | romanovic | i tried to chat with support, but our firewall is blocking it because the page has the word "chat" in it |
| 22:17.23 | Utah_Dave | awesome |
| 22:17.42 | beandog | ~chat romanovic |
| 22:18.04 | romanovic | ~cpr ibot |
| 22:18.11 | beandog | she's dead, jim |
| 22:18.20 | beandog | ~mourn ibot |
| 22:23.33 | Utah_Dave | romanovic: I'm able to log in now. |
| 22:23.45 | Utah_Dave | I'm a dufus and wasn't capitalizing one of the letters of my password. |
| 22:24.00 | *** kick/#UPHPU [ibot!~mindjuju@mail.billgood.us] by mindjuju (MJ has fled the building!) |
| 22:33.48 | *** join/#uphpu ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 22:33.48 | *** topic/#UPHPU is Poll: Topic for 5/20 meeting - MySQL? Business of Web Dev (panel)? SEO? Other? give your vote to macnewbold | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 22:33.48 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v ibot] by ChanServ |
| 22:34.01 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 22:34.01 | ibot | beats josephscott into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 22:34.11 | mindjuju | herlo, kicked ibot because it was non functional |
| 22:34.16 | mindjuju | it's happy now |
| 22:34.48 | carmony | lol |
| 22:37.40 | beandog | lols |
| 22:39.18 | herlo | mindjuju: ahh |
| 22:51.05 | TuxToaster | ouch. |
| 22:51.16 | TuxToaster | my boss just found out his dog has cancer :/ |
| 23:02.51 | beandog | that sucks |
| 23:02.53 | beandog | : |
| 23:02.55 | beandog | :( |
| 23:06.03 | unum | http://www.sltrib.com/D=g/ci_15051130 |
| 23:06.11 | unum | my bosses boyfriend of 10+ years |
| 23:06.35 | unum | boss's |
| 23:06.43 | beandog | freak, thats sad |
| 23:06.46 | unum | ya |
| 23:07.33 | unum | he was just in here less than two weeks ago |
| 23:30.58 | *** join/#uphpu cro (~cro@166-70-222-105.ip.xmission.com) |
| 23:36.28 | beandog | Okay |
| 23:36.36 | beandog | how do you get apache to parse *one* file as PHP |
| 23:36.42 | beandog | <Location> ? |
| 23:37.52 | fungus | SetHandler i think |
| 23:39.00 | beandog | fungus: wouldnt that be for an entire extension? |
| 23:39.19 | fungus | you use it in a Location, File, or Directory block |
| 23:39.32 | fungus | it's not extension based |
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| 23:52.05 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v carmony] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.22 | beandog | wow, apache's google results *suck* |